Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Brian Cladoosby
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000024
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00:12 Welcome to Celebrating Life in Recovery, my name is Cheri,
00:14 your host and today were going to look at what happens 00:18 when the addictions and the recovery is generational, 00:21 not just individual stuff but generational. 00:23 Come and join us! 00:52 You know I love the way God works with us in recovery, 00:54 I love the fact that every single thing about me, 00:57 He stepped in. 00:58 He saw my twisted thinking, my belief systems about who 01:02 I was, that I wasn't worth anything and all that stuff. 01:06 He literally stepped in and taught me that I just could 01:10 do recovery and was worth everything to Him and 01:12 He would guide me. 01:13 If I was confused about something, I could pray that the 01:16 Holy Spirit teach me. 01:17 Within, I felt like minutes and sometimes it 01:20 wasn't minutes, sometimes it was weeks, sometimes it was 01:23 months but it just felt like in no time somebody would be 01:25 right in front of me and they were telling the very thing 01:28 that God was trying to teach me. 01:29 The Holy Spirit would be like, you know what, listen up. 01:32 I'm thinking this person has no idea that they are being 01:35 used by God, has no idea. 01:37 It was exciting to me, so as I got into recovery 01:41 I started relying on God and then thought, I wonder if 01:46 I could be involved in ministry? 01:48 I'm like shut up, how fun would that be? 01:51 The first time someone called me, it was interesting, 01:55 they called me from Alaska. 01:57 They say is this Cheri Peters? I'm like yes. 01:59 They say would you come and speak at our church in Alaska? 02:03 I'm like, get out, how fun is that? 02:06 I got so excited because I didn't even think that this 02:09 would really happen. 02:11 I know I was praying for ministry, but I didn't think 02:13 that God would let someone like me, a drug addict and homeless, 02:17 and all that stuff be in ministry. 02:19 Then I'm listening to this call and thinking, 02:22 yeah I would come. 02:23 They said how much do you charge, and when they said that 02:27 I wanted to put my hand over the phone and just man not 02:30 only do I get to work for God, but some is going to pay 02:33 me, how fun is that? 02:34 So I got back on the phone and said a hundred bucks. 02:37 They were like, how much do you speak for $100? 02:42 I think it I never shut up, you can just put me up in 02:45 front and I will talk whatever. 02:47 Because if you want me to talk about God I truly never 02:50 shut up and so they had me do 16 presentations in four 02:53 days, I was so exhausted. 02:56 16 presentations in four days, in Alaska. 02:59 Alaska is a big place so you are not just driving down 03:02 the street to another church, you are getting in small 03:05 planes going from place to place to place. 03:08 At 1 point I landed up in Dillingham Alaska and this guy 03:12 picked me up, and he was like a million years old. 03:15 Had on this old Marine hat and put me a little boat. 03:18 Took me across the water to Aleknagik Alaska and 03:22 I'm thinking, I'm like thinking I'm this missionary. 03:26 I'm in the wilderness and I was just having a blast. 03:29 But when I got to this place I realize that in Aleknagik 03:33 there was a lot of drugs and alcohol. 03:34 There was a lot of molest, a lot of abuses that were so 03:39 intense and all of a sudden where I was looking at this 03:43 as having fun and Nah-Nah-Nah-Nah. 03:44 God was really going to do something here. 03:46 And I met this little girl, a little girl. 03:48 She looked 9 to me, and she came up and held me. 03:52 Alaska is funny because they do this one thing. 03:55 I'm wondering if I could demonstrate with Teresa? 03:59 Come up here for a minute. 04:00 They do this one thing in Alaska that is really 04:03 interesting, is when they want to talk about their issues, 04:08 they will come up and say you know what I've had a hard 04:12 life and my husband, well even before then. 04:16 You know when I was little, and they will hold you 04:21 until they are done talking. 04:22 They could talk to you for 15 minute to 20 minutes and 04:26 they will hold you, and I have space issues. 04:29 I'm thinking, can you tell me from your seat? 04:32 They are like, well you know and they just hold you again. 04:36 Thank you Teresa. 04:37 What was really funny was they were just holding you. 04:40 I remember just thinking at first, when that first 04:42 happened to me, I'm thinking I'm just going to die. 04:44 My palms are sweating, I'm not sure how to act, and I am 04:48 hearing their whole story and it is interesting, 04:50 but I have space issues. 04:51 Anyhow I meet this little girl, she looks tiny, 04:53 she is actually 12 but looks 9. 04:55 She comes walking up to me, after I had told my story, 04:58 and I know she is going to hold me, right? 05:00 So I kneel down for her to do that because she is so tiny. 05:03 So I kneel down and she comes up and holds me and says, 05:07 Cheri my life is just like yours. 05:10 I'm thinking, no way. 05:13 I was molested since that was three months old. 05:15 I was with addicts growing up. 05:18 I had people that didn't know how to raise kids because 05:20 of the damage in their life. 05:21 If you know what I mean? 05:23 I was on the streets by the age of 12, 13 years old. 05:26 I have been abused in ways I can even share with people 05:29 and this beautiful little child is telling me her life was 05:32 like mine, and I'm thinking there's no way. 05:34 I remember as she was talking, she said someone gave me 05:38 your book, 'The Miracle from the Streets' book? 05:42 And she said yes. 05:43 It was the guy that was the thousand years old guy, 05:46 that picked me up, it was his ministry, in that place, 05:48 so he gives her a book. 05:49 She said while I was reading it, I was praying that God would 05:52 let me meet someone like you someday. 05:54 I thought oh, we have a God that says you know what, 05:58 if you pray I will move heaven and earth. 06:03 It wasn't anything about me, if would have been something 06:07 else and she would have read about someone else, 06:08 I think God would have brought that person, because it is 06:10 not about us, it's about God and this child. 06:13 Somebody needed to tell this child, I know that you are in 06:16 a place right now that your life may not feel like it is 06:19 in control, you may not feel like God is paying attention. 06:23 But God knows exactly where you are in Aleknagik Alaska. 06:27 This tiny little place. 06:29 The next time I get called from a person that has a 06:33 ministry that they are doing on an Indian reservation. 06:37 They were looking for some consult and doing drug and 06:41 alcohol stuff and she says, would we come in and speak? 06:44 I was working with a woman that had just buried her son 06:48 from a meth overdose and she was going to come with me. 06:51 We were going to do some stuff on fetal alcohol syndrome and 06:55 we were going to do some things on healing and recovery. 07:01 I get there, I don't know what to expect. 07:04 I had never been on a reservation, 07:05 and I don't even know what that meant. 07:07 The first time somebody said that they are not even part 07:10 of the United States. 07:11 I'm like shut up what does that mean? 07:13 This is their own country, so I'm in their country? 07:16 And then I am in our country? Do you know what I mean? 07:19 I'm thinking how fun is that. 07:20 So I'm excited to learn what I don't know and I get to 07:23 this reservation and I meet the coolest folks ever. 07:27 The coolest folks ever to have had a history that is 07:30 beyond what I can even understand, 07:32 even though I would love to. 07:33 I think I'm still limited, but we do a seminar. 07:36 I meet a woman named Jesse, I met a ton of folks. 07:40 We got adopted and it was fun. 07:42 I met Brian Cladoospy at the school. 07:46 Let me introduce you to those in the café before 07:49 I go on with this story. 07:50 Brian Cladoospy we are going to hear your story today. 07:52 I am so thrilled that you are here, absolutely thrilled. 07:55 Teresa, you already let me just hug all over you. 07:57 So thank you for that. 07:59 Heather, we have Shawn, and Amy and Anthony. 08:02 Thank you for coming, and I really want to say thank you 08:05 for coming and you are going to be so blessed today. 08:09 What Brian is going to share with us will change how we 08:12 view other cultures, and definitely give us understanding 08:16 that we are all fighting the same battles. 08:19 It is amazing to me. 08:23 So I met Brian and Nina your wife and your children, 08:27 and your father, Who did the smoked salmon? 08:30 My dad. Your dad, oh man, we came in and the food was 08:36 amazing, the company was amazing. 08:37 His dad has a smokehouse that he does salmon. 08:43 I know if you are a vegetarian vegan you won't even 08:46 understand this ever in your life, but it was amazing. 08:49 I take some home to my husband, my husband says I'm going to 08:53 visit that guy because it was amazing. 08:56 We had a great time. 08:58 That year I met a woman named Jesse also. 09:01 Jesse had just lost her son, 16 years old in a car 09:06 accident and drug and alcohol was involved. 09:08 I could tell, just devastated and then I find out that 09:14 the losses with all age groups, alcoholism and drugs 09:20 and driving the losses are tremendous. 09:22 I ended up coming back the next year, I would love to go 09:26 every year for the rest of my life, I was blessed. 09:29 In fact, I would just love to move there. 09:32 Anyhow, the next you're a comeback and meet Jesse again. 09:36 At the end of the seminar we did that time, 09:38 I was exhausted and we have been speaking. 09:41 Chris Chapman was with me, which the woman who had just 09:45 lost her son, and we had two other young folks with us. 09:48 We were exhausted, but we were leaving their to go speak 09:51 at Walla Walla which is a college and we were going to do 09:54 chapel and knew we had enough time to get to 09:58 Walla Walla and do chapel. 10:00 It was a lot more than that, so we were saying we needed 10:03 them to go and Nah-Nah-Nah-Nah and Jesse came up to me and 10:06 said that her second son, her living son is in rehab. 10:11 Would you go visit him? 10:13 I'm thinking, oh, we have to get to Walla-Walla and 10:17 I have this gig and I'm looking at this mother. 10:20 I know this thing she has gone through and my heart, 10:24 I have already made connections with her and I love her. 10:28 I know I can't go visit her son because 10:30 we don't have time. 10:31 So I try to say that in a nice way and I feel sad. 10:36 She feels sad so I walk away and go to the bathroom. 10:40 And the Holy Spirit says, shame on you. 10:43 You get out there and go visit her son. 10:46 I just felt like, I usually don't feel like God spanks me, 10:50 I felt like I was spanked. 10:51 You go out there and tell her the commitments that you 10:54 have and let her make the decision on whether you go 10:57 to Walla-Walla right now or visit her son. 11:00 So I told her the whole thing, I said that it is up to 11:02 you, what should I do? 11:04 What do you think she said? Go visit my son! 11:08 So I'm thinking, let's get some folks and Brian, 11:13 I asked you and Nina and some other council members. 11:18 Jesse and her husband and I think there was 11:22 11 or 12 of us. 11:23 We get there and I realized when were getting to the 11:26 hospital that it is a locked psychiatric unit. 11:29 Stop, it's not visiting hours. 11:32 We have no permission to go in there. 11:35 Nobody knows us, so I am thinking oh man, 11:38 so we have to pray like crazy. 11:40 We have Chris Chapman and this whole group of folks and 11:43 we are praying like crazy. 11:44 God You have to do something, You have to do something. 11:47 So we prayed, let's just go in. 11:50 We go in and when Brian comes up, 11:53 I want him to verify this. 11:54 We go in, there is a guy at the desk and he is writing 11:58 something, and he is supposed to check people in. 12:00 He is writing something and not paying attention, 12 of us 12:05 walk in, he never looks up, not one time did he look up. 12:10 So Brian says, maybe we are just invisible. 12:13 And he doesn't look up, and I'm thinking, 12:17 how funny is this? 12:18 Were trying to figure out what we do now because 12:21 we probably should say hey buddy. 12:24 He is alive, he has his eyes open and his breathing and 12:28 writing something down, but it is as if we were invisible. 12:32 So we just walked by, we walked by and go to the elevator 12:37 and we are in this locked down psychiatric unit now. 12:42 We are up at the nurses station. 12:43 This is the funniest thing to me, because they look at you 12:46 like, there is not just one or two of us at the nurses 12:49 station, there is all of us. 12:51 It's like, can I help you? Who sent you here? 12:55 If you want to have fun just say this in a psychiatric 12:59 unit, God! and they are like are you nuts? 13:03 Are you so nuts? I'm going to talk to my supervisor. 13:07 The supervisor was a Christian woman who not only let us 13:11 come in, but she let us have our own room. 13:13 She let us have some video stuff so we could show a little 13:16 PSA and what was amazing is that we went and 13:20 talked to Jesse's son. 13:22 I'm going to let Brian tell you the rest of the story when 13:25 he comes up, but we talked to Jesse's son. 13:27 We ministered to him and Brian, being the tribal leader, 13:34 got to pray for him and bless him. 13:36 In a lot of places, you don't realize when a man of God 13:42 comes in and prays over somebody, it's huge. 13:45 I watch that with Brian, when Brian Blessed him I could 13:47 watch and know what that meant to this boy. 13:51 It was amazing. 13:54 Now I have to back up, stay with me. 13:57 Back up, I was at 3ABN right before that and Danny said 14:03 to me, Cheri would you go to Russia? 14:08 I'm thinking, yes how fun is that? 14:12 I'm thinking how fun is that! I would love to go. 14:16 So I get home and I tell my husband, I'm going to Russia. 14:20 To do ministry, and he was like where at? 14:23 Um, well I forgot to ask. 14:28 My husband was like what! You forgot to ask! 14:32 When are you going? I forgot to ask. 14:36 I'll find out though, so I called back and I said, 14:39 Danny, when are you going to Russia? 14:43 He said, no not us, your team! 14:45 I didn't have a heart to tell them I didn't have a team. 14:48 I said okay thank you very much and I hung up. 14:52 I'm thinking oh man, so I so believe in God, I so trust 14:56 Him, I so trust the Holy Spirit and if you ever want to 14:59 honestly get into recovery you have to get to the place 15:03 where you so trust Him. 15:04 So I said, God, You bring the team together, 15:08 light them up because when I travel I want ahead light to 15:13 be on them so we know who it is. 15:15 So now when were back at the psychiatric unit and we are 15:18 doing all that stuff and getting ready to leave, Brian 15:22 says to me, while, does this happen to you every place 15:25 you go, because it was absolutely a miracle to watch 15:28 the healing, to watch us get in, to watch God open all the 15:31 doors, and I said you know it does. 15:33 He said, some day I'd like to go somewhere with you then. 15:36 How about Russia? He looked at me like, what? 15:42 I said well, and Bryant ended up going to Russia with us. 15:45 So I'm going to show you a PSA that happened in Russia. 15:48 Then I'm going to end this story and let you meet Brian, 15:51 because he is amazing. He is just delightful. 15:54 So I'm going to show you this PSA, we did this PSA when 15:57 we were in Russia because we went there for six weeks 15:59 to work with heroine addicts. 16:01 As God open doors, I'm amazed at one door that opens, 16:04 and then another door opens and another door opens. 16:07 Every single time a door opens, every single time you 16:10 reach out and do ministry, every single time you are a 16:14 part of allowing someone else to heal because you are 16:17 bringing them to a place where God can work with them. 16:20 You heal your self. 16:22 I'm going to show you some film that we shot in Russia. 16:25 Then we will take a break and come back and 16:27 I will introduce you to Brian Cladoospy. Stay with us! 16:33 The quick spreading of drugs around the world didn't bypass 16:36 Russia, according to different sources 3 to 8 million 16:41 people in Russia are on drugs now. 16:44 Every day on the news there are reports about 16:48 young people who have died over drug overdose. 16:51 For 18 nights 3ABN Russian Evangelistic Center held 16:56 meetings for people with various kinds of addictions. 17:01 People were struck by the honesty and openness of Cheri 17:05 and her friends as they told the stories of their lives. 17:10 Only Heaven will know how many people made their first 17:15 step toward recovery during these meetings. 17:18 The visit of Cheri and her friends shows the Russian 17:22 people again, how much God loves and cares for Russia. 17:27 No one, not even a drug addict or alcoholic 17:31 is forgotten by God. 17:34 Think you've seen it all? Think again. 17:38 Cheri Peters is back for a second season of 17:42 Celebrating Life In Recovery with more lives 17:46 more stories and more miracles. 17:48 Watch the shocking, inspiring, and the incredible. 17:53 Check your local listings to find out when 17:55 Celebrating Life In Recovery comes to you and get 17:59 ready for another dose of reality, Cheri style. 18:18 What is really fun about the video you just saw, 18:21 or some of the film you just saw, is that while we were 18:24 there we had heroine addicts come in. 18:27 We had homeless folks coming up and I want to talk 18:30 a little bit about that, but isn't that true about the 18:33 psychiatric unit? It sure is. 18:35 It was a blast and I think that was like the first time 18:38 I really, really got to meet you. 18:39 Going there and praying with Sonny turned around his life. 18:44 He said to say hi, it was about seven years ago now and he 18:48 is married, got a little baby boy. - And is he clean? 18:52 He is clean and sober and has been ever since. 18:55 Yes, I did say that, I think we're invisible. 18:58 It was crazy stuff. - and the nurse when we got up there 19:02 was like how did you people get up here? 19:04 It was just amazing, but when we left there and get out in 19:06 the parking lot, you say Brian, by the way, 19:09 do you want to go to Russia? 19:11 You don't remember this, but the first thing 19:13 I said was, no! That was my response. 19:16 I just didn't want to hear it though. 19:18 But I said no, and of course Nina is saying, 19:21 you half to go, you half to go and I'm like no way 19:24 I am not going to Russia. 19:25 But once again, a Holy Spirit says, 19:27 you're going to Russia. 19:29 I want to talk about the Holy Spirit saying that to you. 19:32 Tell us who you are, what is your role in the tribe, and how 19:38 did you become a Christian? 19:40 That surprised me when I found that out. 19:41 Well growing up I got a chance to do a little bit of the 19:45 Pentecostal church, I had grown up next to a Catholic 19:49 church so I got to do catechism with the priest and the 19:53 nuns, and then the Jehovah witnesses, they came around for 19:57 awhile and then the Mormons came around. 19:59 So you were all of those? Yeah, sure. 20:02 Plus we had a traditional religion called Seon and we have 20:05 a native religion called the Shaker church and so my 20:09 grandma and grandpa were really strong in the 20:12 Shaker church, so growing up I got a little bit. 20:14 By eight years old I had two brothers that were teenagers 20:18 in the 60s, so if anybody grew up in the 60s and remember. 20:21 So I had two teenage brothers 20:24 - I heard if you remember you really didn't grow up. 20:26 So I had two teenage brothers had alcohol was prevalent in 20:31 our life, my great-grandfather was an alcoholic. 20:34 My grandfather was an alcoholic, my father and my mother 20:37 were alcoholics, so alcohol was just around the house. 20:40 They thought it would be cool to see an eight-year-old 20:43 drunk, so they got me drunk when I was eight years old. 20:46 Growing up in that lifestyle was pretty tough. 20:49 By the time you are 12 you your basketball 20:53 coach has a whole team in the locker room that gets 20:56 you stone on marijuana at 12. 20:58 Ah, we won the championship that year. 21:00 So this is really not a joke? - not a joke. 21:03 In the locker room at 12 years old smoking marijuana. 21:07 Two years later my cousin gave me window pane, some of you 21:11 know that as acid, LSD. 21:13 That was the scariest thing I ever did, 21:15 and never did it again. 21:17 At 16 your Christmas present was a half gallon BV or 21:20 Black Velvet whiskey and so it is only through the grace 21:24 of God that I am here today. 21:26 So your addiction, growing up, was pretty intense then? 21:31 - Very intense. - you partied a lot? 21:33 All the time. My 8th grade picture, from the eighth-grade 21:37 party, was me and my friend holding a 16 ounce bottle of 21:41 Lucky Logger, eighth grade. 21:44 That was eighth-grade graduation. 21:46 So it's through the grace of God that I am here today with 21:49 you, but growing up. 21:52 - some are your friends aren't here? 21:54 Yes, I've got 20 friends my age group, that I grew up 21:58 with, that are buried and dead right now because of the 22:01 drugs, alcohol and suicide. 22:03 That is only the friends on my reservation. 22:07 I grew up on an Indian reservation, born there, raised 22:11 there, if the Lord doesn't come back by the time I die, 22:14 they will bury me there. 22:16 Right now the statistics are 20% of the kids under 12 have 22:21 already used drugs and alcohol in Indian country. 22:24 Sometimes there's a 92% addiction among the tribes. 22:28 - yes, yes it is really sad, it's really sad. 22:31 So fortunately I found a very, very, God sent me a very 22:38 beautiful lady and her name is Nina. 22:40 - she is beautiful. - she is awesome. 22:42 So we'll just say hi Nina. 22:43 We will be celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary coming 22:47 up this March. - Was she a Christian? 22:49 - No, she was in the same road I grew up in. 22:53 - partying? - partying and sharing alcohol with the 22:59 dad and the uncles. 23:04 About 1985 her brother, they had built an Adventist church 23:11 on the Leame reservation where she was from. 23:13 So her brother invited her to go to that church and 23:16 she went, I didn't. 23:18 She finally got me to go, her grandmother was a strong 23:21 Adventist, so that was a strong. 23:23 - she tricked you didn't she? 23:24 Ah, I was a little reluctant Christian in this family, 23:28 but I love her so much I said okay I will go. 23:31 I was just playing a Christian early on, it wasn't real. 23:38 Not for me, but we decided that the partying and fighting, 23:44 partying and fighting wasn't working so we decided to 23:47 bring God into our lives. 23:49 We went to, of course, the different churches that I grew 23:52 up in and they just didn't work for me. 23:54 She said well let's go to the Adventist church and 23:56 so we did and have been there ever since. 23:59 What I do now is, I'm the leader of my tribe. 24:03 So how did that happen? Coming from this partying to when 24:05 you got into religion which probably cleaned everything up 24:08 and then decided to make changes. 24:10 How did you get into being the leader of the tribe? 24:13 When I was 24 I decided I wanted to try tribal politics. 24:17 What so that was 24 years ago. 24:19 My head is going like,... I finally caught up. 24:25 Okay, so I decided to get it to tribal politics, 24:29 but I wasn't clean and sober at that time at 24, 24:33 I was still going through my roaring 20s. 24:35 It wasn't until about four years later that I cleaned my 24:41 life up and about my 12 year in tribal politics my cousin 24:45 told me he was going to throw my name in for the tribal 24:49 chairman, which is the leader of the tribe. 24:51 That was 11 years ago now, my math might be wrong, 24:55 yeah, this is the 11th year of being leader of the tribe. 24:57 It is an elected position, we serve five-year terms 25:00 and I as the chairman, serve year to year and 25:03 it's the greatest job. 25:05 It's so awesome. 25:07 Because you can really step in and make a difference? 25:12 - Make a big difference, yes. - which is huge! 25:15 Which is huge! - even what I didn't realize that even 25:18 with how the reservation is looked up as far as Washington 25:23 DC, and legislatively and all that, is that you make a 25:28 difference on every level. 25:30 Yes, yes, I interact with mayors, local mayors with county 25:34 commissioners, with US senators, with state senators 25:39 and Congressman, with governors. 25:41 The governor of Washington now and I are really, really 25:44 good friends and politics is good. 25:47 My job right now is to try to make the lives of my tribal 25:52 members better, and we have a belief that you have to look 25:56 out for the seventh generation that we don't inherit this 26:00 land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. 26:05 - that is an incredible point of view. 26:07 Yes it is, it is not we are here and we have to use up 26:12 every natural resource we can while we are here, 26:14 so forget about what the next generation has. 26:17 Our belief is that we have two make sure the next 26:19 generation, the seventh generation down the road, 26:22 has just as much or more than what we've are given 26:24 when we were here. 26:25 I saw, somebody shared with me when we were at Black Hills. 26:29 I can't remember what tribe it was, but they shared with 26:32 me a film about the seventh generation and trying to 26:35 explain that, but they also talked about this generation, 26:38 from the Trail of tears, and that people are making 26:42 commitments coming out of drugs and alcohol and really 26:45 trying, let's get away from all this damage and 26:50 stand up for who we are as a people. 26:53 When you think about it, about the Irish culture, 26:56 or the German culture, or the French culture, alcohol has 27:00 been a part of their lifestyle for centuries. 27:04 When you think about my tribe, alcohol was introduced 27:08 about 150 years ago, so that is not very long to have 27:11 alcohol part of your culture. 27:13 So we haven't been able to adapt as well as the other 27:16 cultures, and I don't think they've been able to adapt 27:20 either, but for some reason the alcoholism rate in 27:23 Indian country is a way, way higher than any other part 27:26 of the US cultures. 27:28 One statistic you don't hear though, is that there are 27:32 more non-alcoholics in Indian country than any other parts, 27:35 so on the reservation you are either alcoholic 27:39 or you are a non-alcoholic like myself. 27:42 I have been clean and sober for 18 years now. 27:45 So there is not too many social drinkers in 27:48 Indian country. - You do it or you don't. 27:50 Yes, yes exactly and we are seeing more and more of our 27:53 tribal members getting away from drugs and alcohol. 27:57 It all relates to your mental, your physical and your 28:01 spiritual health and poverty is a big thing in Indian 28:06 country, the uneducated workforce is a big thing in 28:09 Indian country so we are trying to reverse that. 28:13 The Swinomish tribe, either way that's the tribe I'm from. 28:16 The Swinomish tribe. - well let's get back to Russia, 28:20 we'll go back to Russia and then come back. - okay! 28:24 when we were in Russia, one thing that was amazing to me, 28:27 as you shared where you are from, because you came in 28:31 as a leader of your tribe, and your nation or council. 28:35 You came in with this incredible message of who God is. 28:39 And that really our battle is bigger than our politics. 28:42 Even our politics are as important as Christian the 28:45 battle is bigger, and this is a nation in Russia 28:47 that had just politically fallen. 28:50 If you remember when we were going over to Russia, 28:54 my part of the program was to talk about doctrine and 28:57 Scripture and things like that and when we get there 29:00 that gets thrown out the window. 29:02 They say no we don' want this, we don't want a seminar. 29:05 They were serious about that. 29:06 They don't want a seminar, we don't want you to just 29:08 get up there, we want to hear your life story. 29:11 We want to hear that there is hope how we can get 29:13 away from drugs. - Yes you tell us your life story 29:16 and things that have happened to you related 29:19 to drugs and alcohol. 29:20 So the first day there we had to rewrite our script on 29:24 everything that we had to do over the next 4 to 6 weeks. 29:28 But when you think about drugs and alcohol its universal. 29:32 It's not just the thing in Indian culture, or the white 29:35 culture, or the Russian, or the Irish, its universal. 29:39 Satan has weaved so many lies around drugs and alcohol 29:42 then it is sad to see the effects of it. 29:45 I remember when we first got there and people started 29:48 bringing in their children strung out on heroin. 29:51 So in Russia there was a lot of alcoholism with the older 29:55 generation but this generation between 15 to 20 to 25, 30:00 they were strung out on heroin. 30:02 With HIV, with tuberculosis and all that stuff, and that 30:06 surprised me as they started to arrive. 30:08 Yes, when you think about our society, we went through drug 30:11 revolution in the 60s, Russia was just starting to do that 30:14 in the late 90s and early 2000. 30:18 So they are starting to see what we seen in the 60s, 30:22 the acid, the heroin, and the cocaine, and the marijuana, 30:25 and it was sad to see, but that is the way it is 30:31 all around the world. 30:33 Some of these individuals, that came that asked to be 30:36 prayed for, I don't really know if you know that one 30:39 gentleman that had tuberculosis. 30:41 He was an alcoholic - Alexander. - yeah, I'm not sure. 30:45 Is the one we took the lunch? - yes he came in for lunch 30:50 and he looked terrible, like he hadn't showered in who knows 30:55 how long, his clothes were filthy, his hair and his beard, 30:59 he was just a mess. 31:01 So that was at lunch and Cheri said, well I hope the next 31:04 time I see you, you were cleaned up, clean and sober. 31:08 Like the demoniac, when Jesus took all the demons out of him 31:11 and cleaned him up and he was in his right mind. 31:12 So we hustled this guy up to the room that we were staying 31:16 in and we had him shower, and we had him shave, 31:20 and we gave him our clothes to put on and then walked him 31:24 back down. - I couldn't believe it, I was thinking 31:27 who is this guy? - exactly! 31:31 What was interesting to me, is that even when we were in 31:35 Russia, is that they so didn't believe that people could 31:39 come out of that kind of damage. 31:41 Once you are an alcoholic, once you are trashed, once you 31:44 generationally have been trashed, 31:46 you are just throw a way. 31:48 It is like being able to say that is so not true. 31:51 We have to change our mindset on that. 31:54 You are saying that as a nation, in your world, you're 31:59 saying that to everyone is that it is not true. 32:01 We actually can walk into healing, we can restore what 32:07 was taken away. - yes, yes we have a saying in 32:11 Indian country that we have to break the cycle. 32:14 That is true of any culture in any society where you have 32:19 to break the cycle. 32:20 As I told my great grandfather, my father and I were all into 32:24 drugs and alcohol and so they say it takes two generations 32:28 to break the cycle. 32:29 So thank God I don't do drugs and alcohol, and I thank God 32:34 that my two daughters don't do drugs and alcohol. 32:35 And they are having a fun life, tell about the daughter 32:39 that got married, talk about her and her husband. 32:41 Tyler and Lavonne, she works for Weimer. 32:45 - and this is a health center call this? 32:49 Yes, yes it's a health college in Northern California. 32:53 Tyler, he works for Doug Bachelor at Amazing Facts. 32:57 He was actually one of the first students in the College 33:02 Of Evangelism, the Genesis. 33:04 I was at your house when they were going to go, and I 33:07 remember thinking, oh, you guys are going to have a blast. 33:10 My daughter, Lavonne, she went to school close to a 33:18 Navy base, she went to school there, she lived there and 33:20 she worked there and I was teasing her saying, 33:22 you are going to find a Navy boy aren't you? 33:24 She said, yeah, right dad! 33:25 Sure enough she met Tyler who was in the Navy. 33:29 The first time he met us was at our Adventist Church, 33:34 Lavonne brought him. 33:36 He was partying the night before so he still smelled 33:41 like a brewery and yeah that was his first trip 33:46 to an Adventist church, hung over from partying all night. 33:50 You know how fun God is? God is like that is all right. 33:53 Welcome home. - that is fine, 33:55 we will take you as you are. 33:58 So the next year he sat Nina and I and said, I would like to 34:03 marry LaVonne, and Nina said, oh great! 34:05 Guess what, we're going to start Bible studies right away. 34:07 You know I did that with my daughter's boyfriend. 34:12 That's too funny! 34:14 So we had Leo Screven's tapes, - he's been on the show 34:19 and so was Leo Screven that had a hand in helping convert 34:24 Tyler and he was baptized and is doing great now. 34:28 They're going to make me a grandpa for the first time. 34:31 - Amen! They will be celebrating their eighth wedding 34:34 anniversary August 15, this August. 34:37 - how exciting, they are doing great. 34:40 Before we get on to Mary, talking about Mary and what she 34:43 is doing, I know that Leo has talked on our show about 34:47 he can do something in five minutes, but you also saw him 34:51 do that, can you explain that? 34:52 I witnessed it, Leo was doing a seminar in 34:57 Everett Washington and my brother had just completed 35:01 a canoe journey, and it is an amazing journey. 35:04 Is that, that paddle? - yes, it is done yearly. 35:08 We just finished The Paddle Yalom. 35:09 We had probably 10,000 people, close to a hundred canoes 35:13 traveling from as far away as northern Canada 35:17 down to southern Washington waters. 35:19 My brother did marijuana for 25 years and smoked 35:24 cigarettes for 30 years. - lots of cigarettes too! 35:28 Yes, his goal in life was to be able to smoke marijuana 35:32 until he died, he envisioned himself with a tube in his 35:36 throat smoking marijuana through that tube. 35:39 I told him about Leo, that Leo said he could get people 35:44 to stop smoking in five minutes, I was skeptical, 35:47 but I went there with my brother and sure enough. 35:50 Three Scriptures out of the Bible and that night Tony 35:54 walked away cold turkey, not having any cravings or 35:57 anything for marijuana again. 35:58 No withdraws and he was never smoking again? 36:01 He was actually baptized at that seminar that he attended. 36:04 He was into the Adventist church. 36:08 Tony's life was like mine, but he loved every drug, 36:14 everything, where I didn't like LSD, acid, he took them 36:19 all, he out there was a drug out there. 36:22 Yeah and five minutes. Yeah five minutes! 36:24 I witnessed it, through the power of the Holy Spirit. 36:30 So your daughter is not drug, alcoholic and working 36:36 Weimer, married to Tyler. 36:39 Tyler did evangelism for while and now he is working at 36:43 Amazing Facts, right? 36:45 Tyler has done evangelism seminars for Amazing Facts all 36:48 over the nation, from California, New Mexico, 36:51 Oklahoma, the East Coast. 36:54 We have to have him on the show. 36:55 Yeah Tyler is an amazing kid, I call him a kid. 36:59 So Mary is in college? Mary is in college. 37:03 It's her third year in college and she's doing great. 37:05 Working for the tribes, she's got to be 37:07 a GIS mapping specialist. 37:10 - I'm not even going to ask you what that is. 37:13 Thank you! But tell her I said hi. - I will. 37:16 So even when you were talking about the paddle, that 37:20 whole thing, wasn't that somehow representative of making 37:25 a change, making a commitment as far, what does that 37:29 represent, that 10,000 people or so coming? 37:32 Our culture in the last hundred years has been revolving 37:35 around a lot around drugs and alcohol unfortunately. 37:39 When you think about 150 years ago there was no drugs, 37:43 there was no alcohol, there was no diseases in 37:45 our society, can you imagine that? 37:47 - I can't even imagine that. - I can't either! 37:49 It was almost a perfect society where all your needs were 37:52 taking care of. - by the land. 37:54 We had a belief that we were one with nature. 37:58 We were not better than the animals, we weren't better 38:01 than the plants, we worked better than the trees, 38:03 we were one with them. 38:04 So we knew that it was God's creation and so we respected 38:08 it, when the Lord allowed our hunters to have a deer, 38:12 they actually, after the deer's life was taken, they would sit 38:16 down and pray and thank God for allowing that. 38:19 It was awesome so our society was amazing to think about. 38:25 I can just sometimes close my eyes and think what it 38:28 must've been like, you would have 3,4 or 5 generations 38:31 under one roof and it is amazing to think about. 38:34 So in the last hundred years drugs, alcohol. 38:37 - all of that has been broken up, 38:39 it just breaks families up and destroys that. 38:42 Well the non-Indian had a philosophy in the late 1900's 38:46 to assimilate Indians and make them into white men was their 38:50 plan and that included the boarding schools were your kids 38:53 were taken at 6 years old and made to spend just 38:57 about 9 to 10 months in a boarding school. 39:00 That experience was horrendous. 39:02 Not allowed to speak their own language? 39:04 Not allowed to speak their own language, their customs. 39:06 They had to cut their hair off and everything. 39:10 I've met people that I sat with that are older, 39:15 they have told me that story because they were one of 39:17 the kids in the boarding school. 39:19 They would weep telling me the story. 39:20 How they were so, where is my folks? All those things. 39:25 So the hurt and the damage that was done is significant. 39:29 I know that we don't have a clue and cannot understand 39:33 that. - no, the mental abuse and physical abuse, 39:36 the verbal abuse, the sexual abuse that occurred at these 39:40 institutions, they were doing the right thing I think, 39:44 but they did it the wrong way. 39:45 You know where they were trying to educate and 39:49 introduce the Indians into the white man's society 39:53 and it was a failure. 39:55 So my grandfather went through that experience and because his 39:59 taste of education was based on that boarding school, education 40:03 wasn't important part, if this is what education is, 40:07 my kids aren't going to. 40:09 My mom's generation, and my dad's generation, 40:12 education wasn't a priority. 40:14 So in 75 my brother was the first win in our family ever 40:17 to walk down and get a diploma. 40:19 It was amazing. 40:22 So now coming back in and saying, at this point how do we 40:27 bring healing to that kind of damage? 40:30 Because we talk about personal damage on this show all 40:33 the time, we talk about recovery, and I never think of 40:36 recovery as a nation, as a people group recovering from 40:39 things that generationally have been given to you. 40:45 It's not just Indian, it's every one of us that has 40:49 this generational thing that somehow it gets us hooked. 40:54 We don't even know why I am so lost in this. 40:56 But somebody has to say, that is what I feel like it's 41:00 incredible right now with the seventh generation and with 41:03 people standing up, is that even as a nation people are 41:05 saying enough, where incredible folks. 41:08 Just to wrap this up to let you know what we're doing real 41:11 quickly, the Swinomish with alcohol and drug programs. 41:14 We commit $350,000 a year to a drug and alcohol program with 41:18 counselors, education is the top priority for us. 41:21 You have to see how important education is, and 41:24 so when our kids graduate and get a GED we give them 41:27 $24,000 scholarship to the school of their choice. 41:30 Because you are saying we want to so equip you? 41:33 Yes, yes. - I'm going to open it up for questions. 41:37 I know people have questions. 41:38 As we go in that direction I want to remind everyone to 41:43 pray for Brian, pray for what they are doing because 41:47 I just know that things are going to turn around. 41:51 Okay Amy do you have a question? 41:54 Yeah, with what we have been talking about I can relate. 41:58 I come from a generation of alcoholics myself. 42:01 My mother was an alcoholic and she was killed in a car 42:04 accident, I was 18 months so I never got to know her. 42:08 You are talking about how you help alcoholics with 42:12 whatever, I was wanting to know do you have 42:15 rehabilitation centers in the tribe, or how does that work? 42:19 Our tribe does not have a rehabilitation center on the 42:22 Reservation, but there are a number of rehabs centers 42:25 around the state that we send our tribal members to. 42:30 Of course, sometimes we have repeat offenders, I don't 42:34 know if that is the right word, but sometimes we have 42:38 to send them two or three times. 42:40 My father went through that, and thank God when he was 42:45 43 years old, the doctor gave him a choice of quitting 42:51 drinking or to keep drinking and we will bury you within 42:56 a year and so that was in 1976 that my dad made 43:00 the decision and he is going to be 74 years old. 43:03 He was one of those that went to the treatment center 43:07 two or three times, but thank God he has been clean 43:11 and sober now since 76. 43:13 What a lot of people don't know is that, the average 43:16 person that is struggling with drugs and alcohol will 43:19 fall may be seven times, so they're saying the average, 43:22 some little bit more, some less. 43:24 Your dad going three is actually all right. 43:26 He's just smarter than average one. 43:29 I think I fell like crazy, but when you work with somebody 43:34 that is struggling know that it may not happen the first 43:38 time, but don't give up on them. 43:40 Don't stop praying for them and don't stop intervening. 43:43 Because some at one point, like what happened with Leo 43:46 and your uncle, your brother was at one point, 43:50 for whatever reason, somebody says something, 43:53 shares something and you get it and it's done. 43:58 To this day we ran into one of our old drug dealers. 44:01 I did, going across to ferry where I live and he said, 44:04 how is Tony, I said Tony is a born again Christian. 44:07 Shut up, get out of here, Tony, no way. 44:10 So one of our old drug dealers was blown away. 44:14 I love that, and I love the fact that you, 44:18 in your position, people know you as a kid and know what 44:22 you have gone through, now you can bless them as a 44:25 man of God, in this position and say you don't have to 44:29 give your life away to drugs and alcohol. 44:31 That's one thing about tribal politics, you get a lot of 44:33 skeletons in your closet and everybody knows. 44:35 Because it is a small area! 44:37 It's not like outside politics where they find something 44:41 in your pass and uses it against you. 44:43 Here they forgive you. - that is way cool. 44:46 Any more questions, how about Teresa? 44:48 Well what do you say to those people who justify 44:52 themselves of the fact that they drink alcohol because 44:55 it is part of their culture? 44:57 I am going to give you an example, because my country, 45:01 Ecuador, especially men, it is so normal for everybody to 45:06 say it is right to drink alcohol. 45:09 So they justify it by saying it's okay everybody does 45:12 it at home because it is part of our culture. 45:15 What do you say to those people? 45:17 Fortunately and unfortunately have only had alcohol 45:21 in our culture for 150 years, like I said we were 45:25 introduced 150 years ago into our culture. 45:28 So we've only gone through seven generations. 45:30 Actually the children growing up now are the seventh 45:33 generation from when the white man first came into our 45:38 society, so for 2 or 3 generations it was normal it was 45:43 normal for our men and women to be drinking a lot of 45:48 alcohol and fortunately we are starting to see more and 45:53 more of our elders stand up. 45:56 They have gone through drug and alcoholism saying this 45:59 isn't part of our culture and we need to stop. 46:02 So we are seeing more and more of our elders stepping 46:05 forward and saying this has to stop. 46:08 Where people are saying it is enough, that it is becoming 46:13 the norm, for people to say this is not who we are. 46:16 Yes, fortunately it has not been part of our culture for 46:21 that long, so when my grandfather did it or my great- 46:25 grandfather did it, well so it doesn't mean 46:29 you have to do it. 46:30 Incredible, one more question how about Heather? 46:33 I'm just curious, you have been talking about having 46:37 a lot of programs in place for people who are recovering 46:40 from alcohol, how about spouses? 46:43 Do you have anything in place for a person who doesn't 46:48 drink but has a spouse that drinks? 46:52 It is like when in a 12 step program like Al-Anon. 46:56 If you have been around that and have addicts in your 47:00 family, do you have any programs for people that 47:03 are just enablers, any co-dependents in the group? 47:07 Unfortunately no, we don't have anything, I don't quite 47:12 understand the question still. 47:13 You know co-dependency? - yes - so a lot of times 47:17 you clean up the alcoholic and then you have all these 47:20 codependence, for every alcoholic, or anyone lost in 47:24 drugs, they have probably 35 people around them 47:26 that have enabled them for ever. 47:28 So do you have anything in place or families, or family 47:34 units when addiction is involved? 47:35 We do have programs set up and it starts from youth. 47:39 A youth program set up. 47:40 Just to teach those kind of things? - yes. 47:44 You have addictions and behaviors? 47:46 Yes and we work with them throughout adults and it is so 47:51 cool that we have every year a sobriety dinner 47:54 to celebrate, we started that in 2000. 47:59 Our goal, when you come in to the dinner you sign in and 48:03 put the amount of years you have been sober. 48:07 So our goal in 2000 was to have 2000 in 2000. 48:10 At least 2000 years of sobriety, so we ended up with 2500 48:15 years of sobriety. 48:16 All of tribal members, and we gave a gift out to those 48:21 that were sober the longest and 57 years was an elder that 48:26 had never ever done drugs or alcohol in her life. 48:29 The shortest was one day, and so they got a gift for being 48:34 sober for one day. 48:36 What is funny is to be able to say, we are really making 48:40 this important, this is important. 48:42 I've been clean since 1979, and every single year that 48:46 I am clean, I still want to say how cool is this? 48:50 That bondage is so intense, it's amazing to me. 48:54 I want to thank you for being on the show Brian. 48:58 If there is anything that you want people to leave with, 49:02 when you walk away from this show and they turn it off, 49:05 what would you like them to remember 49:07 about you in this interview? 49:08 It's easy for drug addicts to relate, but it is not easy 49:13 for a non-Indian to relate to an Indian. 49:16 He is just a different culture and everything is 49:19 magnified in our society, because in our society people 49:25 do not move away from home. 49:27 Ever, when they come back if they do move away. 49:30 We don't have family in New York, we don't have family 49:33 in California, we don't have family in Florida. 49:35 My friend who has been living on our reservation for 49:40 30 years now, he has to go to New York to see mom, Florida 49:43 to see sister, and he says you are so blessed that you 49:47 have all your family in one place. 49:49 In our culture that does not leave the reservation much. 49:53 80 or 90% of the Swinomish members are right there. 49:57 You see I can't even relate to that. - no! 49:59 So just this year we lost my great-grandmother's brother 50:04 and sister, so from them down to my grandnephew is 6 50:08 generations of our family still alive. 50:11 So we have five generations now, but in our society when 50:17 you think about 20% of the native Americans under 12 using 50:23 drugs, that is a problem. 50:26 When you think about the suicide rate in Indian country, 50:30 70% of suicides in Indian country involved drugs and 50:36 alcohol, the rate of poverty is like 30% on an Indian 50:41 reservation, tribal members are living in poverty. 50:46 A lot of them do not have plumbing, a lot of them do not 50:50 have a telephone, people find that hard to believe that 50:54 there is no plumbing. 50:56 You can go to a reservation and you would find 51:00 Third World conditions here in the United States. 51:03 It is really sad, all that contributes to a lot of drug 51:07 and alcohol abuse, when you had that kind of poverty. 51:11 You are doing as much as you can as far as the leader of 51:15 that nation, but as far as us what can we do? 51:19 I know we can pray, that is definitely a huge deal. 51:24 I think the church should try to do more outreach in 51:30 Indian country because a Native American are receptive to 51:34 the Word, they are. - they so are! 51:37 They love it, if you can get the right person in, the 51:42 Indian country we, - are you inviting me again? 51:45 You are accepted in what, one day. You were accepted so 51:48 you know we accept real quick if people are genuine. 51:52 So I think a lot more outreach by our church. 51:57 We have to have you back and have you back with some other 52:00 folks, because I think we have to hear this more and more. 52:03 Thank you for joining us and we will see you again on 52:07 another show and stay right with this because 52:10 we are coming right back. 52:17 Cheri Peters uses the book, 'Coming Of The Comforter' 52:20 as a guide for the second season of Celebrating Life In 52:23 Recovery, written by Lee Roy E. Froom is a 320 page book 52:27 that offers every sinner the knowledge that the 52:29 Holy Spirit is available to all. 52:31 3ABN now offers this book to you for a suggested donation 52:35 of only $13 postpaid within the US. 52:38 Call 3ABN at 618-627-4651 or go online to 3ABN.org. 52:58 It's just amazing to me, and this show has been a little 53:01 bit different because we have talked a lot about personal 53:03 recovery on other shows. 53:05 This is about when God personally steps into your life. 53:09 Like what happened with Brian is that he is drinking and his 53:13 grandpa and father, every body's drinking, so he starts 53:16 getting into drinking and drugging all that stuff and God 53:20 steps into his life and everything changes for you. 53:23 Now you are stepping into, back into your culture and 53:27 trying to bring health and recovery back into the culture. 53:31 I think when God does that it absolutely just makes me want to 53:34 kiss Him on the face. 53:35 If we stay personally looking at our recovery every day, 53:39 I really believe this with everything in me, if I just 53:42 look at Cheri and my recovery and what I need to learn, 53:45 what I need to do for health, I have to all that. 53:48 But if that is all in doing I think I will relapse. 53:52 I have to get beyond that and say what about the people 53:55 around me, the people I love. 53:57 Amy you talked about being adopted. 53:59 You could probably relate to any adopted child that 54:02 walks on this planet regardless of what their issue is. 54:05 So God stands us up and we start actually loving and 54:08 relating and healing the people around us that has 54:11 the issues that we have. 54:12 Heather you were talking, what about the spouse? 54:15 What about people around the addict? 54:17 I laugh at that because when Brian and I, there was 54:20 11 of us that went to Russia, it was a blast. 54:23 My husband went and a number of teams went and a little 54:26 gang member went that really gave Brian a hard time. 54:29 We just had a blast but one of the things we were suppose 54:32 to do was teach the spouses of drug addicts and 54:37 alcoholics, how to just simply not enable them. 54:41 One of the times I remember sitting with a group of women 54:45 and I just had to get them to say 'no'. 54:47 We are going to do some role-playing. 54:50 When your son, who is a heroine addict asks you for money, 54:54 I want you to say no! 54:56 And they couldn't even form their mouth, it was like 54:59 I can't even say it. 55:00 In the co-dependency sometimes, and in different peoples 55:03 families, are so intense that to teach people to set 55:07 boundaries is absolutely huge. 55:09 With my daughter Jaclyn, I've didn't have some issues with 55:13 alcoholism and drugs, because when you choose to get well 55:17 you to break this generational curse, this generational 55:20 stuff in your family. 55:22 When you set boundaries and start to not enable the people 55:27 around you things change. 55:29 Russia was so funny because getting women to finally look 55:33 at us, you mean just say no, Net and we were like yeah, 55:38 just say no. 55:39 They were like I can't do that, I just can't do that. 55:43 Being able to teach what the benefits, when we start 55:46 getting well the benefit and teaching somebody else and 55:49 setting boundaries for everybody to heal. 55:51 I so, again, love the fact that God says I want you to get 55:56 well, I want you to get it had to step into recovery and 56:00 then I want you to look at My face and fall in love with 56:03 Me and turn around and look into the face of someone else. 56:08 Again going back to Russia, we work with this guy, and 56:13 this kid was 20 years old, strung out on heroine. 56:18 He comes in and was sitting in the hallway, 56:22 just crying, just crying. 56:24 He has a picture in his hand, a little flyer we had put 56:28 out, and the flyer was of Chris Chapman's son who had died of 56:31 meth, and the only thing he could say, as we didn't have 56:34 interpreters with us when we found him, was he wanted to 56:37 find that Mama, this boy's Mama. 56:40 We ended up keeping this guy in a room, locked up 56:44 for seven days, right Brian? 56:47 Seven days locked up, we had people coming in around the 56:50 clock and would read to him, would talk to him, pray with 56:54 him, and he kept saying do you have any coffee or anything? 56:58 We would give him herbal tea and he would say, do I have 57:02 to have grandma's Tea again? 57:03 We didn't have interpreters, but it was being 57:06 able as an addict, as a person in recovery, I know how good it 57:10 feels to be clean. 57:11 I know how good it feels to have my life back. 57:14 I know how good it feels to not be strung out, 57:16 not to be pulled around by my addictions, to not have to 57:19 worry about going to prison and going to jail, 57:22 or having somebody die because I ran into them, 57:25 or die myself because I ran off the road. 57:27 I know how good that feels so I want to shout it from the 57:30 rooftop, I want to say, even with Brian is saying is 57:35 as a nation, we are some amazing folks, but alcohol 57:39 and drugs are taking us down. 57:40 As a nation, he's yelling out to his brothers and sisters, 57:44 and I'm yelling out to my brothers and sisters. 57:46 I know God is wanting us to do that with each other and 57:50 through the Holy Spirit, through the power of God, 57:53 I think that is the only way for some of this healing to happen. 57:56 God has to intervene, we have to allow God to come into 58:00 our families and communities, definitely to each one of us 58:04 individually and say to Him, how do I heal? 58:07 Then to stand me up, stand me up, I want to go out and 58:10 tell someone and I want to actually have it to be heard. 58:14 I want to educate myself in all those things. 58:16 Until next time always remember that God is crazy about 58:20 you, and you know what remember I am too! 58:23 Bye, and God bless! |
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