Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Kerry Laframboise
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000050B
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00:13 Welcome back!
00:14 We were talking before the break about you going 00:18 into another gig, another part of the police 00:19 department, still with the police. 00:21 I want you to talk a little bit about that. 00:23 You know where I am impressed with you, 00:26 or with God actually, is who you are as a man 00:29 of God and what you're values are in that, 00:31 why you bring that to your job. 00:33 I want to talk a little bit about that 00:35 and introduce us to Max. 00:36 I got the opportunity about 4 years ago to move 00:40 from probation parole and from the Department of Corrections 00:42 over to the Post Academy, Peace Officers Standards 00:45 and Training Academy. 00:46 That is where all law enforcement in Idaho was 00:49 trained up until 4 years ago. 00:51 And I wanted to say shut up, okay because you know 00:55 where we started at on the last segment where you said, 00:57 I didn't even want the job. 00:59 Somebody tricked me into doing this and now you are 01:02 training people for this gig. 01:05 That's right, that's right and I got to help build 01:07 the bridge for training the Department of Corrections, 01:09 because they were doing their own training. 01:10 Now their training is done over at Post and 01:13 I get to be a part of that. 01:14 So what is your job exactly, what are you doing? 01:17 I head up all the academies, my partner and I, 01:20 for the Department of Corrections. 01:21 We do 8 academies a year, 6 of them are Correction 01:23 Officers Academy and 2 of them are Probation 01:25 Parole Officer Academies. 01:27 We give them basic fundamental training on how to 01:29 be an officer, and we cover everything from ethics, 01:32 professionalism, to how to shoot a handgun, 01:34 arrest techniques and everything. 01:36 We were with a friend of mine in another country, 01:40 you and I, and he called somebody a scumbag, 01:43 do you remember that? 01:45 Not just because it was like you know there are 01:49 always Meth addict's, and hurting people and they 01:52 just do the craziest things, and we have to come in 01:54 and try to clean up their mess. 01:55 and I just feel like their scum, and I watched your 02:00 reaction to that, just wanting to bless him, maybe what? 02:05 Maybe understanding God birthed in me there back when I was 02:10 17, and God said to have a purpose, because I thought 02:13 I was an accident, I thought my life had no purpose. 02:16 If God can change me the way that He did and turn me 02:21 into a good husband and a good father, which He did, 02:24 then God can change anyone. 02:26 Even those people that I used to call, scumbags. 02:29 I used to say there was no hope for that person. 02:31 Yet God's Word says there's hope for everybody, 02:34 there's hope for anybody and so when I hear things 02:37 like that there is a part of me that says that 02:38 if you could just understand it, and I know you do but 02:41 maybe you need to understand a little bit more here. 02:43 God can change the most wicked and the most vile 02:46 and the most hardhearted, God can turn them into 02:49 men and women of God. 02:51 That is the hope of the gospel. 02:52 I saw that so in-your-face when you said that. 02:55 Then I said, and it cracks me up because I said, 02:59 you know when someone talks about the addict as 03:02 being scum, the addict is being like I can't believe 03:07 of working with this person what has their 100th DUI, 03:10 and they have had 7 wives, and they've molested 03:13 their kids and all that kind of stuff. 03:15 That person I can tolerate. 03:16 When I come into the church and there is a religious 03:19 addict, somebody that's critical, or somebody that has 03:22 not allowing the addict to come and sit down. 03:25 Somebody that reads that God said the greatest of 03:29 these commandments is to love God and love one another, 03:31 and they can even love the person coming in, I never 03:33 have called them scumbags, do you know what I mean but 03:38 my heart says that's the person I can't tolerate. 03:40 You looked at me with so much love and said the same 03:43 thing almost, is can I tell you that anybody can change. 03:46 Yes, absolutely! 03:48 - they don't know both sides of it. 03:49 So being as a Christian I saw you as a man of God, 03:53 your heart says, and I know you're teaching 03:55 that in your new gig. 03:56 You are teaching that officers to have that open 03:58 heart with the people they work on, but I know that 04:02 in your heart as a Christian, Man, you're trying to 04:05 tell the church the same thing it seems like. 04:07 Because we all have that tendency to put people in 04:11 categories, people I want to spend time with, people I 04:14 don't want to spend time with, people that can change, 04:17 I think they can change I see hope there so I can work 04:19 with them, this person I see no hope. 04:21 But we serve the God of hope, we serve the God of love 04:25 and He said, for God so loved the world, everyone, 04:29 that He gave His only begotten Son. 04:31 He loved everyone that much and I think it's an Isaiah, 04:35 do you think I take joy in the fact that people perish? 04:39 Know I don't, I want all men to be saved, everyone. 04:44 And all means all - I just delight in that. 04:47 That is where I found my purpose, because I didn't 04:49 think I could be saved. 04:50 I didn't think there is any hope for me and God 04:53 said there was, so my whole life has been an 04:55 investment in taking the hard cases. 04:58 My Pastor is always shaking his head and saying, 05:01 Kerry you always work with these kind of people, 05:03 because God can work with those people the more 05:06 hopeless they are the more fun they are. 05:08 When I was working probation parole I took on the 05:10 youthful offenders because they were all failing. 05:13 They are the kids that got remanded to the adult court 05:17 at 17, 18, 19-23 because the juvenile system can't do 05:21 anything with them anymore. 05:22 When I did a little better research on them, all of 05:25 them were going to prison, everyone of them. 05:27 none of them, they come to us on probation, which means 05:30 they haven't been to prison yet, if they make it on 05:31 probation they don't have to go to prison, 05:33 they were all going to prison. 05:34 So my boss said if you can do something with them, 05:37 build a caseload. 05:38 I built a caseload and Max Rivera, still on probation 05:42 on another caseload, actually came and helped me. 05:44 He talked to those kids, yes he was a speaker couple 05:47 of times, he talked to those kids from his perspective. 05:49 I brought in other people that had pasts where God 05:52 change them and they spoke to those kids and those 05:55 kids started finding out that the Bible had answers. 05:58 So a Thursday night I have the kids 06:00 teach their own class. 06:01 I said you can pick any topic you want and they all 06:03 start picking About the Bible, and about God, and 06:06 about life being changed by church and those things. 06:09 My boss to come in and watch these classes and say, 06:12 Kerry you went to so much trouble and I said why, 06:13 and they said teaching this. 06:15 I said no I am not, these offenders are teaching 06:18 each other, they pick the topics I just reviewed and 06:20 make sure that there's nothing inappropriate there. 06:22 And they are presenting the stuff, I'm just there 06:24 facilitating at the meetings, and they said you know 06:27 what I am talking about. 06:28 I said I really don't, do not like the results. 06:31 We took a caseload that was one 100 percent failing 06:33 and I had 50 percent success for 3 years in a row. 06:36 That's incredible - and Cheri that has never been done since 06:39 I left Idaho because that caseload they disbanded it, 06:41 because nobody had the heart to work with those kids, 06:44 because they were a bunch of orangutans. 06:46 They were wild and rebellious and crazy just like I was. 06:49 I had fun with those kids. 06:51 We took them to the Y, we had Consumer Credit Counseling 06:54 come in and talk to them, it was great. 06:55 I think a lot of people don't understand, it's even 06:59 for me when I came out of that background I had never 07:01 been camping, I had never had someone like you said I 07:05 took them to the Y and those kind of things where people 07:08 think they are ordinary things. A lot of these kids 07:10 they have never had anyone do that 07:13 for no reason, just to do that. 07:16 I'm just thinking that if we could as church, oh man! 07:19 And I know that as probation and parole, as people 07:23 step into their lives is huge, but I think as a body 07:25 of Christ it would be amazing. 07:27 It would be if we would just understand that 07:29 people want to be loved, they want to know that 07:34 they are being accepted. 07:35 Too many times in the church, and probably in some 07:38 other areas too, but church is what I know best. 07:39 In the church we bring them in and expect them to 07:43 reach a certain level of performance before we accept 07:46 them with open arms. 07:48 If they don't reach that level of performance, then we 07:50 have a tendency not to accept them or we forget about 07:53 them, or they just drop through the cracks. 07:55 Harry's he is not coming to church anymore and we 07:58 haven't seen him in 6 months. 07:59 I have to interrupt because I have to have you tell 08:01 a story that you told me that I think forever changed 08:03 my view on people coming in the church. 08:07 The story about the baby. 08:08 Oh wow! We're doing in my church what we call connection 08:12 classes, what we do with people new coming in. 08:14 My Pastor's wife was teaching the class and she wanted 08:18 to talk about how we treat the new converts the new 08:21 person coming in and how we ever wrong concept of that. 08:23 So she went to the nursery got a real-life baby, 08:26 she talked to the parents and said she wanted 08:27 to do this analogy, and they said okay. 08:28 So she brings this baby to class and is holding the baby 08:31 and patting him - 4 months right - 4 months old. 08:32 She said this is my new convert, this Cheri she 08:37 accepted Jesus 4 months ago, and she's 4 months old. 08:39 I've been dressing her, I've been feeding her, 08:41 been talking to her and spending time with her. 08:43 I've been holding her and walking her through 08:46 this 4 months now. 08:47 So for 4 months, Cheri should be able to stand on 08:50 her own two feet now. 08:52 So she takes this baby wrapped up in a blanket that is 08:54 4 months old and sets it over in the corner of the room. 08:57 Then comes back and continues teaching her class and 09:00 going through her points. 09:01 In all the parents of the room, especially 09:03 the mothers, and looking at the baby and pretty 09:05 soon the baby starts crying. 09:06 I don't know why she's acting like that, 09:08 we've gone through this a 100 times, she knows 09:11 where the food is at, she knows how to take care 09:13 of herself, why is she crying? 09:15 I've been working with her for 4 months. 09:16 And it dawned on all of us that's what we do, 09:20 we work with the person who is an addict coming 09:22 in for recovery or somebody coming off the streets 09:24 and we pour ourselves into them for 4 months and 09:27 say to them now stand up. 09:28 You should be walking and she went and picked the 09:31 baby up and started cuddling it again. 09:33 She said do you realize that the parents of this baby 09:36 are going to work with her for the next several years 09:39 before she is mature. 09:40 It's going to be years before she can feed herself, 09:42 it's going to be years before she didn't drink a water, 09:45 but she is still thirsty and she's is still hungry, 09:47 she still has needs. 09:48 I am slow, God, I came into my Christianity in 1979 09:54 and 21 years later God finally taught me what 09:59 it felt to trust someone. 10:00 21 years later, and I tried everything. 10:02 I thought it was drug abuse that I had a look at, 10:05 manipulation and lying and all these character stuff 10:08 and He said you never learned to be loved. 10:10 You never learn to trust and so I feel 21 years later, 10:14 I can start to stand on my own. 10:17 If you would have expected some kind of normal 10:20 behavior before then, not that I wasn't improving 10:22 and doing all these kind of stuff and saying the 10:25 right things, but it was like God was so gracious to 10:27 wait 21 years and most of us can't wait 4 months. 10:29 When you said that to me about the baby I wanted to 10:33 cry because I just do my own life and knew that I 10:37 couldn't have stood up for years. 10:39 I needed mentoring. 10:41 So to me if we could get that as a body 10:44 of Christ, oh man. 10:46 So now I want to talk about one of the men that you got 10:49 to mentor, so can you introduce us to Max and just talk 10:52 a little bit about some of the stuff that you want him 10:55 to share with us right now. 10:57 I want to introduce to you one of my best 10:59 friends, Max Rivera. 11:01 We started our relationship several years ago when he 11:04 came out of the maxim security prison on to my caseload 11:08 as one of the guys that I was supervising. 11:11 And that started journey in an adventure that 11:13 has not stopped since. 11:15 So welcome Max Rivera. 11:17 Well thank you Kerry, well it's been exciting as 11:22 you mentioned earlier about the Governor's Court 11:25 Counseling for families and children. 11:27 I think one of the things, or one of the reasons that 11:30 the Lord has strategically placed me in things like 11:33 that is that the government is really looking for 11:35 answers, because kids are doing what they're doing 11:37 and the programs they are using, or the jail time 11:40 that they are sentencing is just not working. 11:44 So they are trying to figure out what do we do 11:47 and wait a second here is Max and it worked. 11:51 What worked? Tell us about it. 11:52 So I feel that the Lord has built for me a platform 11:57 for me, it's Jesus because the motor of a car is 12:03 bad you don't change the tires. 12:04 You don't put in air freshener hoping it's going 12:08 to run better and what I have done, or what the 12:11 Lord has given me an opportunity to do, is to say 12:13 that it's the heart that is bad. 12:15 When you see a kid that is going to shoot somebody, 12:17 these violent acts or crazy things you can't just 12:21 explain it is the heart that is bad. 12:23 There is only one heart doctor and his name is Jesus, 12:27 so I get a chance to share that with the Governor's 12:31 Court and Counseling. 12:32 You have got mayors from different districts, you have 12:35 judges, you have all these elected officials that are 12:39 sitting at this board and little old me, but yet they 12:43 are saying can you please tell us what works? 12:45 The Lord opened doors for us to speak in front of our 12:49 Court criminal judge Commission, which is a bunch of elected 12:53 officials, people who actually make the laws. 12:57 I spoke for the attorney general - and is starting to pay 13:01 attention that this is a faith based issue and can 13:05 the faith community come and walk alongside us and help. 13:09 And what is really I think interesting when someone 13:12 says what difference can you make, right now people 13:15 are listening because nothing else is working. 13:18 Orange county, I have to say an Orange County they 13:21 are doing a program with some gang members. 13:23 I probably should have mentioned Orange County but 13:24 they are doing a program with gang members were they 13:27 have money coming to this program and they are paying 13:30 people 50 bucks just to a group so they can say that 13:33 people have showed up for a group. 13:36 I'm thinking they are just going out and getting high, 13:38 but I'm just thinking that is the condition of people 13:40 right now because we don't know what to do. 13:42 So the fact that God stands you up in your heart is 13:45 open enough to say I'll do whatever I can. 13:49 You know it neat to because you get 13:52 their ear when before you were a number that is just the way 13:58 they process you but just before you are just convict 14:01 and there's only a matter of time before 14:03 you will mess up again. 14:04 You'll be back in jail and that day will arrest you 14:05 so now I am at this place to where there is 12 years 14:08 of success, I'm working also with men. 14:13 There is a history there of doing the same 14:17 thing over and over. 14:18 I have spoke at mayors breakfast, it was neat 14:24 because in the paper after this mayors breakfast 14:27 one of the elected officials came and I shared that 14:30 analogy of where the heart, but what was bad when it 14:35 came in the paper he said I've always said we've 14:37 got go for the heart. 14:38 It was really cool. 14:40 But it was neat that God's messages are 14:43 becoming more clear. 14:46 Can you tell me who he is as a man of God? 14:50 Kerry, - Kerry yes! 14:51 To me he represents to stability and sound judgment 14:56 you can always go and know that he's not going 14:59 to pat you to make you feel better, he's going to 15:02 tell you what you need to hear. 15:03 Cheri: what the word of God says. 15:05 Max: What the word of God says, exactly and a very 15:08 faithful friend and I don't know how his wife allows 15:11 him to be involved in so many lives, but he is one of 15:14 the people that I know that just does that. 15:17 He's like a good Samaritan, there's no boundaries he 15:20 will see somebody broken and he will do what it takes 15:23 to make that person whole again. 15:27 He represents love, he re- presents the character of Christ 15:32 and the fruit of the spirit even though he asks me 15:35 questions sometimes that I don't really care for. 15:37 I know it's motivated out of love, sometimes not right 15:42 then, it takes me a second to realize this is Kerry, 15:45 this is your friend, your brother. 15:47 Kerry I know that there is other people that have 15:53 questions that they want to ask you. 15:56 Jordan you were wanting to ask Kerry some things. 15:59 Yeah I've got a question. 16:01 How did it make you feel in one of the dudes that 16:03 you follow around everywhere if they did some thing wrong? 16:05 When they would re-offend, how did that make you feel? 16:08 It is probably one of the hardest parts of the job 16:11 because our whole job description even outside of my 16:17 own personal conviction is to help people succeed. 16:19 So we actually pour a lot of time and effort into 16:23 helping them succeed and when they fail you go 16:26 through that struggle was there something 16:29 else I could have done? 16:30 Something else I could have said, could I have followed 16:32 them around a little bit more to help them out? 16:34 Ultimately in the correctional setting and in life we are, 16:39 we have free will, we can make our own decisions 16:43 despite the influences around us. 16:45 Those men and those women that I supervised made 16:48 decisions that caused them to re-offend and go back 16:51 into prison and start over. 16:54 You develop a mentality that is part of the process 16:57 they weren't quite done yet, so they have to go back for 17:00 more programming and a little more time away from the 17:04 people on the streets so they can figure out prison 17:07 is a bad thing, being on the streets is a good thing. 17:09 I need to change my behavior. 17:11 I need to change my decision-making process. 17:13 We hope that the next time they come out they'll 17:15 know a little bit more. 17:17 In the course of me working for the Department of 17:19 Corrections in probation parole for almost 10 years, about 9 17:22 plus years, I saw the same people come out 3 and 4 times. 17:26 Not quite get it and then go back and some of them 17:30 I saw them get it, it was like a little light bulb 17:33 came on and he figured it out and decided they didn't 17:36 want to do it anymore - it's just done! 17:37 What is really interesting, is because I work with at 17:40 risk folks, when somebody re-offend and they go back 17:44 to prison there is a lot of people that are just sad. 17:47 Like I can't believe that and I'm like Yahoo, 17:49 because I know they're safe, they are at least safe 17:52 and they are going to have somebody again that's 17:54 going to come alongside of them and start putting 17:57 some boundaries around them. 17:58 It is not always a bad thing, in fact it may be for 18:02 most of them their only chance of having a life. 18:05 Even the people will called me to say I'm in jail again. 18:09 I'm like oh good because I thought you were 18:11 out there running. 18:12 But it's hard not, like Jordan was saying, it's hard 18:16 not to take it personal, but I think that you really 18:19 do have to protect your heart in that way - you do. 18:21 I was talking to some other people, they were asking 18:24 me that same question that Jordan asked me, 18:26 I said it was like being a painter and doing 18:29 your best work on this house. 18:30 You paint 4 walls and you come to work the next 18:33 morning, and the paint came off of the 3 of the 4 walls. 18:36 Cheri: a storm comes through. 18:37 And that happens every day, that's what being a 18:41 probation officer is like, because you see a lot of 18:43 failure because people are steeped in that type of 18:45 decision making and you can plant a lot of seeds in 18:48 their lives, but they are not ready to change how 18:49 they make their decisions yet. 18:51 But it is the ones who do make it, the ones that 18:54 decide it is time to change. 18:56 You asked me a little bit ago about how, why I thought 18:59 Max and some of the other people decided to change. 19:01 I think one of the catalysts for that is working with 19:05 somebody that they can begin to trust. 19:07 Somebody that they can see actually cares, 19:10 pass the textbooks, pass the rules and regulations, 19:13 that really wants to see them change and 19:16 wants them to succeed. 19:17 That gives them permission to open up a little bit 19:21 and share things with you that possibly they have 19:23 never shared with anybody else before. 19:25 In that process what I've seen a lot of people do, 19:27 and I see Max do it too, they will share like a test 19:30 thing with you, just to see what you do with it. 19:33 It might not even be real, it may not be true but 19:35 they are going to share something that might be 19:37 attached to their heart to see how you handle it. 19:40 If that goes well than they'll share something a little 19:42 bigger and then a little bigger. 19:44 Somewhere in that process the floodgates open and 19:47 they dump everything on the table. 19:49 Here's my life, what are we going to do with it? 19:52 Exactly help me! 19:53 And that is when it starts getting fun because 19:55 they can begin to see that they can change. 19:57 You know we look at them sometimes, like we 20:00 talked about before, and say they can't change, 20:01 but what we don't understand is that life and 20:05 the devil tell them every day, you'll never change, 20:07 you can't get out of this. 20:08 Parents may have told them, 20:11 they've heard that their whole life. 20:12 So when somebody does come along and say, 20:15 God can change me, He can change anybody, 20:17 and you are part of that 20:18 anybodies, so God can change you, 20:19 so let's get to work on that change. 20:22 Can I just add something that I think was so crucial 20:25 that I learned and felt in my own recovery is that 20:29 start even dare to hope it's scary. 20:33 It's like if I remember being a little girl and 20:37 around a bunch of addicts and if I hope for anything, 20:39 if somebody said we're going on vacation, I'm thinking 20:42 we're going on vacation? 20:44 I started hoping and when it didn't happen you would 20:47 just be crushed and so even when that starts to 20:49 wake up somebody that is real damaged, 20:51 they will get mad at themselves. 20:53 What are you stupid, what are you doing that for and 20:56 so it's like even as you start to wake that up, it is 21:01 really nice to be around safe folks when you do that. 21:03 I think all of heaven celebrates, all Heaven says you 21:07 know what, come on come on. 21:10 But it is really an interesting thing to watch 21:14 somebody heal - it is - to watch that. 21:16 I know that we have another question, Charlie you are 21:19 and ask a question of Kerry. 21:20 Kerry I would like to address may be another side 21:23 of the issue here where we talked about the offender. 21:24 I would like to talk about the law enforcement officer. 21:26 I was a Los Angeles County Deputy Sheriff in the 80's, 21:29 worked with the L. A. a county jail for a year and then 21:32 I went to South Central Los Angeles and worked there. 21:34 In the midst of that, in the middle of that 21:37 I became a born-again Christian. 21:39 I was trained to be a very aggressive police officer out 21:43 there, then I came out of church here in full of God's 21:48 love and didn't want to put people in jail anymore. 21:50 I wanted to get them out, but I still had that struggle 21:52 inside of compromising principles and ethics because 21:57 I was trained like I was a gang member myself. 22:00 I looked back and say I was a legalized gang member 22:04 and I compromised ethics and policies and treated 22:07 people terribly and had to deal with the guilt of that. 22:11 How would you address police officers out 22:12 there right now? 22:13 Now that you are training police officers how 22:15 would you address that right now if they are caught 22:16 up in that that you can be a police officer with 22:19 principles and ethics and be used in a positive 22:22 way without having to succumb to that 22:24 behavior and compromise? 22:27 Good question, absolutely good question. 22:30 It's interesting, I've looked at the changes happening 22:34 in law enforcement, obviously it is different now than it was in 22:37 the 80's, there's been a progression that started even 22:40 before that, Charlie where it used to be 22:43 when people got into law enforcement they got into it 22:46 for the motto that is written on most of our cars still. 22:48 To protect and serve. 22:50 There is a different mentality and it started somewhere around 22:54 around the 70's, 80's wherever, and has just 22:56 gotten progressively different to were now in the 22:59 academy's where I train, a lot of these young 23:02 officers are coming in for power and control. 23:04 You're going to give me a gun, and badge, 23:05 and a car and I have control and power and 23:08 now get my respect that way. 23:10 That is really scary. 23:11 The job duty from biblical times forward of the 23:16 ruling authority was to protect and to serve. 23:18 To bring that structure, that safe place for people to 23:23 exist and when you find something that is wrong, people 23:28 that are breaking the law, then we enforce the law, 23:32 but even that was supposed to be in a structured way. 23:34 That has changed in spirit, 23:37 but the policies haven't changed. 23:39 so the law enforcement officer today can lean on the policies 23:43 that were written way back when. 23:45 The policies still say your job is to protect and serve, 23:49 your job is to serve your community. 23:51 Most of your encounters are going to be with pro-social 23:53 people not the criminal element. 23:55 So the whole policemen in a certain neighborhood building 24:01 their routine and they go to the different shops and 24:05 say hi to people and get their names. 24:06 Those programs are in place now and coming back strong 24:09 too where they want the cop on the beat not in the car, 24:12 they want him known in the community as somebody that 24:15 the children can trust in the people can trust. 24:17 So the officer today can position himself that way 24:21 and say my job is to uphold integrity not violated so 24:27 I can get the bad guy. 24:28 As I'm listening to Charlie, your question, and your 24:32 response to him that has got to give an incredible humanity 24:36 back to the officers, all or back the people to step into 24:38 that line of work. 24:40 Because I think it was, it started to be a cruel 24:44 thing and sometimes it has gotten twisted, not all 24:48 the time but sometimes. 24:49 In some areas it has, and it creates a unique opportunity 24:54 for Christian officers who are trained by the word to 25:00 uphold integrity and the men of honesty and integrity. 25:03 Integrity and character, as often has been said, is 25:07 not what I do when I'm in public and being watched 25:09 it's what I do and I don't think I'll get caught 25:11 and nobody's watching. 25:12 When you get a group of men and women who conduct 25:14 themselves that way on and off the job, in and out 25:17 of uniform, always men and women of integrity 25:21 and honesty and purity and those things. 25:22 They have their personal life in order then they 25:26 carry that out to the job, they become the pillars 25:29 that we want our children to look up to. 25:31 We want them to be able to look at the policeman 25:32 and say you should be like him. 25:35 You should be like her. 25:36 How incredible that they are in our community, 25:38 this is a safe place - it is and those officers 25:42 become icons for fellow officers to be drawn to, 25:46 because they can't be compromised. 25:48 So at this point you know what I love is that's what 25:51 God has you doing is training people in that way. 25:54 How cool is that! 25:56 It's awesome we have just a couple minutes left I 25:59 want you to say is there anything that you want to 26:02 say to wrap this up 26:03 to talk directly to the folks that are watching, 26:05 just hey you. 26:07 Oh yes I would love to. 26:09 If I were to do a wrap up it would be, everyone 26:14 of us has a destiny, everyone of us has a purpose. 26:16 God has a specific purpose for you, were ever you are, 26:19 Whoever, if you are a law enforcement officer allow God 26:23 be a part of your life on the job and God will do incredible 26:27 things and touch people's lives through you. 26:29 If you are schoolteacher, whoever you are, if you 26:32 are a drug addict it just came off the streets and 26:34 just got introduced to Jesus, God wants to use 26:36 you right where you at. 26:37 God wants talk through you. 26:39 In the biggest thing is God has a purpose for me 26:42 and my goal is to be me, to be who I am. 26:44 Too many times we try to come in and be a like Pastor 26:48 or the elders are like the person sitting next to me 26:50 and we get on this little detour that takes forever, 26:52 finally coming back to the point where God says can 26:55 you just be you? 26:56 Because all those things that Satan twisted and 26:58 turned for his purposes, most of those were things 27:02 that God gave you. 27:03 That He had a great purpose for. 27:04 If we can just learn how to relax and be who God 27:07 intended us to be and just start living our lives 27:10 and telling our story, then we can change lives. 27:13 I want thank you Kerry so much for being on the program. 27:16 I want to thank you for being a man of God. 27:18 I want to thank you for responding to Him and 27:21 I want to thank you for working with at risk 27:23 folks, how cool is that? 27:25 It is very cool and thank you for letting me be here, 27:27 it has been a pleasure. 27:28 I want to say for anybody watching is that I am hoping 27:32 you heard that God had a plan for your life and am 27:34 hoping you saw the difference. 27:37 You know I love the difference passing that God is 27:39 only working with these at risk folks. 27:41 When I see God work with somebody that is, well you 27:45 were at risk. I think were all at risk so anyway come 27:50 right back because I want to wrap this up. 27:51 We'll see you in a few seconds. |
Revised 2014-12-17