Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), CMA Bike Crew
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000056B
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00:13 Welcome back!
00:14 Dennielle road off with her mom to do some Ministry, 00:17 not really, we just realize that some of the testimony 00:20 that you may hear on this part of the program 00:23 may be pretty intense. 00:25 So you know she is young so we decided she probably, 00:28 that it wouldn't be a good idea for her stay with us. 00:31 But aren't you blessed by her? 00:33 You know even when she said when I worked with Bo I was 00:35 blessed and she said even today that some people 00:38 need to know that God loves you. 00:40 You're smoking is not going to keep God from loving you. 00:44 You're being trashed, your twisted stuff, your lifestyle, 00:49 God says I will not stop pursuing you until 00:53 your last breath. 00:54 I will pursue you at every opportunity I can, 00:57 because My delight, and this is God speaking to you, 01:01 My delight is your recovery. 01:02 I just want to make that really clear, and not that He 01:06 likes the smoking, because it trashes our lungs. 01:08 Drinking like a fish our liver is going to shut down. 01:11 You know all those things are so destructive to us, 01:13 but God says I'm not afraid of those things. 01:16 In fact you are My son and you are My daughter 01:18 and I love you. 01:20 I just think that the heart of this little girl, 01:22 does that, it's amazing. 01:23 Now I would like to introduce Roger. 01:25 Roger is a baby Christian, and Roger before we get into 01:30 the fact that you have met Christ, your life has changed 01:34 there is a lot of things that are new in your life right now. 01:37 I want to know who are you? 01:38 Where did you come from? 01:39 Why is this important to you now? 01:41 Well, I can say that I have been living on the streets 01:47 for many years and have been a lot of bad places. 01:52 Places where I lot of people will never be. 01:57 - And even when you say that, because a lot of people 02:01 that watch this program know that I lived on the streets 02:04 for ten years and so I have been to some of those places. 02:07 When you talk about bad places, they can get pretty 02:10 twisted out there, and you are saying I have been there 02:13 and I know what that looks like. 02:14 It is not very pretty. 02:19 About five years ago I started realizing this wasn't for me. 02:28 I started changing little by little and then I started 02:32 seeing these big yellow patches at some of our parties. 02:35 I didn't know what they was I just knew they was people 02:38 that wasn't supposed to be there where I was supposed to be. 02:41 - So you are hanging and partying with people that are 02:44 a little intent, as far as the biker lifestyle and all that, 02:49 and so patches start showing up. 02:51 Right! - that cracks me up. 02:53 Before we go, how long were you out there? 02:58 How long were you doing clubs? 02:59 I mean in bike clubs, at what age? 03:01 I was probably in my twenties, twenty five. 03:08 Sixteen years I rode with them. 03:11 - I know that, and we are not going to get into that, 03:17 but I know what you are saying is you know what, 03:18 I don't want to get into all that. 03:19 I don't want to talk about all that other than to say, 03:22 it was a dark part of my life? 03:24 - Yes - and so now you are partying, all of a sudden 03:28 you see people around you that are - different - different! 03:32 To me they were different because I was on drugs, and 03:36 drunk, all the time, and I saw these people looking 03:40 over at them and they are laughing and having a good time. 03:42 I wanted some of it. - Amen! 03:46 But I didn't know how to get, so I went up to them and 03:49 finally a few of them, some of the secular rallies, 03:53 which was us. 03:56 They went to all of them, I used to see them everywhere. 04:00 - So you're like were just trying to do our thing, 04:04 what are you doing here again? 04:05 Right! - So all the sudden they are everywhere? 04:07 - Right and it was my job to go up there and harass them 04:11 and make them feel uncomfortable - so they would leave? 04:14 - So they would leave, so they would get away from us 04:17 and wouldn't see us doing our thing. 04:19 You know, get them away and that went on for about two 04:25 or three years and about three years ago... 04:28 - Can I just say what is really interesting to me, 04:30 because I've been to some places where all of a sudden 04:33 we're around people are using drugs and smoking weed, 04:36 doing things that would not happen in a typical church 04:39 function, but we are there. 04:41 There are people there so that if anybody ever even wanted to 04:46 say what's up, what are you doing here? 04:48 That we would have the opportunity to tell them 04:51 there is a different way. 04:52 You know somebody can say we don't want you here, 04:55 I know, but we want to be here. - right! 04:59 And they didn't leave, they stayed as much stuff as 05:04 I've done to these people, they stayed. 05:07 - Embarrassing them! 05:08 - They stuck with me one hundred percent, 05:09 they did not leave me, they came up to me and I started 05:14 going to their tents and harassing them. 05:17 Well finally I asked one of them to pray for me, that 05:21 was about three years ago, his name was Ron Samples. 05:25 And Rick Wiley - Pray what? Do you remember 05:29 what the prayer was? 05:30 - Just to make it through the night, - Just help me. 05:34 Oh yeah, I wasn't smart enough to know that's 05:38 what I wanted, I wanted the lifestyle these guys had. 05:44 Deep down inside, but the other side of me was saying, 05:49 I was not going to get it because I belong 05:55 to these people. 05:56 - Did you think you are too far gone? 05:58 I'm too far gone I'm too far out there? 06:00 You don't know what I have seen - pretty well! 06:02 That's a whole thing right there. 06:05 I am ashamed of most things I have done, but I will tell 06:09 you what, three years ago, after I started talking to 06:14 these bike guys, they started praying and finally my Aunt 06:19 asked me to go to church with her. 06:21 Out of the blue you know and I am there saying what is this? 06:25 People don't ask me to go to church, but she did. 06:28 This man here goes to that church too. 06:31 I didn't know that he did but we got to meet each other 06:35 and he invited me to CMA. 06:37 - That's a Christian Motorcycle Association? 06:40 - Yes he didn't know I already knew all these guys. 06:43 - Because you kept harassing them - I harass them bad. 06:46 Drunk, drunk, I never hurt physically or nothing - exactly! 06:49 - But just drunk and trying to get them out of there. 06:52 What are you doing bugging us? 06:54 - When I went to church I was nervous, 06:59 just like I am right now, but these guys stuck with me 07:04 through whatever I went up with. 07:07 I was also hooked on cocaine for many years. 07:10 - And alcohol to, hey? - I'm an alcoholic and a drug addict. 07:13 I'm recovered, with Jesus Christ I'm recovered. 07:17 He is my Lord and Savior and I love Him, 07:21 and I know He loves me now, but I will tell you what, 07:26 there was times, after I was saved, that it was very 07:30 hard to stay away from the crowds I was with because 07:35 they kept bugging me and calling me. 07:36 - Let me ask you because I want to know for someone 07:40 that is so locked in, so in bondage to all that stuff, 07:45 at what point did you say, I want God in my life? 07:50 I wanted it to change? 07:51 - A long time ago, I wanted to say it, I wanted to do it, 07:57 but like I say I was drunk. 08:00 I couldn't get off the stuff. 08:03 - So you are saying through the years, even before this 08:06 happened periodically, you knew? 08:09 Deep down inside of me I knew that I wanted Jesus 08:11 Christ in my life, to be my Savior. 08:13 I just couldn't get the nerve to ask Him about it. 08:17 I met these guys, and the Christian Fellowship church 08:22 I go to, but it is wonderful that these people stuck with me. 08:26 They took me in... - I bet you could be obnoxious? 08:30 My mouth says things that I have no idea what I am 08:34 saying sometimes until later. 08:37 I met Ron Samples, first time I ever I met Ron samples, he is 08:41 the president in our chapter. 08:42 He walked up to me and try to talk to me and I told him 08:45 I could reach in the ground and pull Satan 08:47 out of the ground. 08:48 I don't remember saying that, but he came up to me and 08:50 asked me if I remember saying that? 08:51 I said yeah, I remember that. 08:53 I felt about two foot tall, and right then I knew I had 09:00 a getaway from the guys - Amen! 09:02 You got to be done with it. 09:04 - I had to be done with it, but it was hard to get away 09:06 from these guys because you can't just get 09:07 out of these clubs. 09:09 - At times they would just kill you, but it's not just 09:12 I'm done and walking away, I'm not coming back. 09:15 I don't want to call any one out, but it is intense. 09:19 - It took me three times to turn it in, I took my colors 09:23 and handed... - What are colors because people won't 09:26 know what you are talking about. 09:27 - Colors is what you respect and we wear on our back 09:31 as a brotherhood - So it is like patches you 09:36 wear on your back? 09:37 - Right! It is the patches you where on your back and 09:39 it shows who you are and what you are. 09:42 - Who you belong to 09:43 - Who you belong to. 09:45 When I first started with them I thought it was the 09:48 greatest thing in the world. 09:49 I mean I did, I have a thirty year old son, 09:52 who was seventeen years old when I brought him 09:55 into the club with me. 09:56 Deep down inside of me I am dying, 09:59 after I brought him in here. 10:01 I am praying and everything I can to get him out. 10:04 - Amen because he is still lost in all that stuff! 10:07 - He is still there and he is wanting to do it. 10:10 I can't get him, his heart is where mine was back then. 10:17 He goes and tells them what I am saying, because that is 10:23 where his heart is, and that's where mine was. 10:25 I was one hundred percent, I was one hundred percent 10:29 with these guys and I loved them. 10:31 Now he does, he can't figure out how you... 10:34 - This is my family, these are my brothers. 10:36 Yes, but I am trying hard to get him out of there and 10:41 praying that with these Christian riders, I tell you the 10:46 best thing that ever happened to me in my life is 10:47 when I started going 10:49 to church and accepted Jesus Christ three years ago. 10:51 And it is a whole different life for me and like I say last year 10:58 I was baptized in a little muddy pond. 11:02 I couldn't hardly get my feet wet because there was mud. 11:06 But it was wonderful, when I came up that water 11:09 I was - clean - clean, all my sins was washed away and 11:17 there is no more out there, they are gone. 11:21 - Did you, can you just let us know what that feels 11:25 like to know that everything idea has been forgiven. 11:28 - It is wonderful, it really is. 11:31 - Because you know... - It was hard for me to admit 11:35 they was gone, I had to go back twice. 11:38 As a matter of fact, last Saturday we was at a rally 11:41 and I had to see who I was. 11:45 I was the first one up to the altar to ask Jesus Christ 11:49 to forgive me for my sins the last four months and it 11:53 was wonderful, and I mean. 11:55 - For a lot of people they think that once you 11:58 accept Christ, once you change lifestyles that 12:00 it happens overnight and it doesn't. 12:02 What is incredible is that God is faithful and He says, 12:05 you know what, I will walk right with you, 12:08 or I will ride right with you. 12:10 You know Satan has been working on the hard for the last 12:14 two years, he does not want me to be happy. - Right! 12:18 - He hates it, he wants me right back in that pit. 12:22 That hellhole I was in for the last 12:24 fifteen, twenty years, and I am not going back there, 12:27 and God is not going to let me go. 12:30 - Amen! - I mean He is not. 12:32 Is it important that when you walked in the church 12:36 building, just like Daniel did with Bo, is it important 12:39 that you saw in the eyes of someone acceptance? 12:43 - Yes, because I have never been accepted before, until now. 12:47 Now I know what it feels like and it's great. 12:51 I do not know how else to explain it, it is the most 12:53 wonderful thing that has ever happened to me in my life 12:55 is when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. 12:59 - So when you, because now you go on the same runs that 13:03 they used to go on, when somebody was harassing... 13:07 - I went on a ride with the club I was in last year. 13:11 Half of them thought I was still wearing my colors. 13:15 Well I am sitting there talking to these guys, 13:17 that were badmouthing us, the CMA, and I walked up 13:21 to them and had this shirt on and said you mean 13:24 these guys here? - The Christian motorcyclists 13:27 - and they just went, their their mouth went, 13:29 when did you put that patch on? 13:30 I said I ride for Jesus now and their whole 13:35 attitude just changed, I mean. 13:36 - Right because now it is one of their own. 13:39 - Yeah and I'm still allowed to go in there and harass 13:43 yeah these guys now and it is wonderful. 13:46 - I want to say I am proud of God for what He has done in 13:49 your life, but I am also proud of you that you allowed that. 13:53 Because we do have a choice, and you know that your 13:56 whole life you've had a choice. 13:57 Now the choice is, God, whatever it takes, I want to change. 14:01 I want to be different. 14:02 I want to be, to stand in Christ forgiven. 14:06 And you have accepted that into your life, 14:10 that is amazing to me - one hundred percent! 14:14 - One hundred percent. 14:15 I would like to introduce you to another person here at 14:19 the Café that I think is amazing. 14:20 I just wanted to say thank you for sharing that part 14:23 of your story with us. 14:24 I want to introduce you to Larry, 14:26 why don't you go ahead and come up. 14:28 And Larry what is really going to be interesting is 14:33 I know that you are excited to even come up 14:37 and tell your story. 14:38 I can feel it in you when I said to you, do you mind 14:41 saying something, and you were absolutely, I so am. 14:44 I'm real excited. 14:47 I was a Christian boy and went into the Army in 1967. 14:52 In 1968 it was the fall and I just learned about dope. 14:58 As I was getting off the smoke, I walked into the bathroom 15:03 and looked into the mirror and the glory of the Lord 15:07 just dissipated from me. 15:09 - You felt that leave - it left, I seen a visual thing 15:13 that there was no more light of Christ in me anymore. 15:16 All those years until about two and a half years ago, 15:22 I drank, I smoked dope, I did everything other than 15:27 what I knew was right. 15:28 A good Christian man came to me, I had three insect bites 15:33 that were infected, I am a diabetic. 15:37 - Were you taking care of your diabetes in all that time? 15:41 - Trying to - but drinking like crazy, 15:43 which is horrible for diabetic's. 15:45 - yeah - and those three insect bites? 15:50 They were infected and being a diabetic it was a 15:55 proposition of looking at amputation, 15:58 or just folding up and dying with it. 16:01 But a good Christian man came to me and he said, 16:05 would you like for me to pray for you? 16:07 I said sure, but he said you have to return to Christ 16:10 and accept Christ again. 16:12 I repented right there, and praise the Lord since then 16:15 everything... - but when he said that Larry, I have just 16:19 say because it is amazing to me when somebody says that to you, 16:23 you really are confronted to the very heart of hearts. 16:27 The truth of what he has just said, and what did you feel? 16:31 I felt a burden leave me unlike anything else that can 16:35 be described, I went home and told my mom and sister. 16:39 They said you have an a glow about you. 16:42 It came back, it was there again. 16:45 - Amen, so all these years you were waiting for someone 16:48 to re-open that door that you had closed? 16:49 - Yes and I kept trying to fill that empty void with 16:53 everything and anything I could find, 16:55 mostly the wrong things. 16:57 Well absolutely the wrong things - drugs and alcohol. 17:01 Drugs, alcohol, relationships, three bad marriages, 17:05 untold relationships that never went anywhere, 17:09 that wasn't sanctified by God. 17:11 - So he prays for you and you come back into a 17:17 relationship with God, and that is fairly new for you too? 17:20 - Yes - and so how is it going? 17:23 - It is fantastic, I've since started going to the little 17:27 chapel church which is a misnomer, 17:29 it is the biggest thing I've ever seen. 17:30 The people there are wonderful, the praise and worship 17:35 service during their songs is like going to a concert. 17:39 The power of the Lord... 17:41 - Because you want to so sing to God. 17:42 I me when you get save don't you want to just say, 17:44 I have to rejoice - yes absolutely. 17:47 What did you think of Danielle's story? 17:51 What a testimony for such a young child, you know she is 17:57 amazing, if we would all start at a tender age like that 18:02 the world would be a better place. 18:04 - Letting people come back in - Sure - Letting them sit down. 18:07 - And be not judgmental and saying well look at him. 18:11 Because we can still say that for all of us - Sure. 18:15 Look at the tattoos, or the smoking, or you just 18:20 don't quite look like us or whatever and God says let Me 18:22 deal with that stuff, because you don't know this boy's heart. 18:26 - Christ went into the worst places that He could go to, 18:29 they said you sit and drink and eat with the sinners. 18:32 He ain't there to look at the righteous ones, the sinners 18:35 are the ones that Christ was looking for. 18:37 - He was here today about your house I think, 18:39 wouldn't that be the coolest thing? 18:42 That would outstanding, - To be at our house. 18:45 When it is funny is when you start thinking about that, 18:49 that why would He hang out with the worst of us, 18:53 it is because we are so lost, we are so lost and He said 18:57 I can't even tell you that I love that boy, 19:01 I love that girl and I just want to bring them home. 19:04 You not only got into drugs and alcohol but you went 19:07 through the whole Vietnam thing, 19:08 through the whole war stuff. 19:09 I just feel like when you started talking that you were 19:14 wounded in so many different ways? 19:17 - Yes ma'am, you may leave the war but the war never 19:21 leaves you, it is a difficult thing, but with Jesus 19:24 in my life, I can do anything. 19:27 - Healing happens - yes it does. 19:29 - It's amazing - it sure is. 19:30 Now I want to say thank you for sharing. 19:32 I want to bring up, go ahead and have a seat again, 19:35 and thank you for sharing. 19:37 I want to bring up Dave. 19:38 Because people are talking Dave, about the Christian 19:43 Motorcycle Association, so they are talking about you 19:47 guys showing up and the fact that they walk into a body 19:50 of Christ and see your eyes. 19:53 You are welcoming them, so tell me who are you, 19:57 is it just here, who is this group? 20:00 The CMA - yeah! 20:02 Actually our national headquarters is in 20:04 Hatfield Arkansas. 20:05 The last I heard there was over 200,000 of us scattered 20:08 throughout the United States - I love that. 20:10 And overseas and actually our main goal is to reach the 20:16 secular bikers, that is the number one thing to get them 20:21 in and get them to knowing Jesus. 20:23 Like myself it is the greatest thing that ever happened to me. 20:27 - So where did you come from, where you in a bike club? 20:30 - No, I just heard of it and started. 20:35 Actually a friend of mine in Arkansas has a present 20:38 motorcycle ministry and he said, I hadn't ridden in years, 20:43 he said you need to get you a motorcycle and I said, 20:45 you're kidding? 20:46 He said you need to get a Harley, I said whoa. 20:51 I said in 1963 I sold a 1954 model, fully dressed, 20:56 Harley Davidson for $250. 20:59 Guess what they want for one of them today? 21:01 - What do they want for one? 21:02 For that particular one, that was a first year for a 21:05 hand front clutched shift for Harley, it's a collector's 21:07 item and they are worth 21:08 20 or 30 thousand dollars, but anyway I guess you didn't 21:13 know me well enough, but to ask me to come up here. 21:15 When I accepted Jesus I lost 80 percent of my 21:19 vocabulary, I had to learn to speak all over again. - ouch! 21:25 I was an alcoholic - and when you say that, I think 21:31 people think that is a joke, but it is probably real serious. 21:36 - I'm serious - so alcoholic, cussing and all that stuff. 21:41 My sweet wife prayed for me for twenty three years. 21:44 She said, Lord change him, 21:46 and finally she said Lord help him. 21:49 Two nights later she got the call, I was in jail, 21:53 I had shot a man in a bar. 21:54 She stayed with me and that is what it took. 22:00 God finally said okay, now I am going to get your attention. 22:04 You see I was twenty three years telling her I don't 22:06 have a problem with alcohol, I can quit anytime I want to. 22:09 When I am standing in front of that judge with my hands 22:11 cuffed behind me, "we charge you with attempted murder". 22:14 I said, I think I've got a problem. 22:16 - finally gets through our heads. 22:18 - That's what it took, God had to slap me down to get 22:20 my attention and then I said, what do You want, I'm listening. 22:23 - we start promising Him anything, You get me out of 22:28 this one and I promise You - I mean I told people even then 22:32 in 1974, I said if I can't have more fun being a Christian then 22:37 I did being in the bars, then I would go back to the bars. 22:40 And guess what, the only time I've been in a bar is on 22:43 a poker run to get a Coke or something - you are funny. 22:46 I actually have a ball being a Christian. 22:49 I just love it and this guy will tell you what, 22:53 I love this guy. 22:54 When he came into your church what did you think, 22:57 and what were your prayers like for him? 23:00 For Roger? - Yeah! - When Roger came in? 23:04 Well Lord, just like me, you know where he is and You 23:11 can change him, it is just that simple. 23:13 So you didn't just walk up and start pointing out all the 23:16 things that need to be changed? 23:17 No! God knew what they was, He didn't need my help. 23:21 Well you know we think we need to do that. 23:23 I have to speed things along. 23:26 - No! I just asked, Lord you take care of it, there it is. 23:30 And that is what it was with me, as my buddy said, 23:33 he was an enforcer for the Mafia. 23:36 Now he has a Prison Motorcycle Ministry. 23:38 He said, Lord, I'm just a pile of trash here, 23:41 if You really want it, I'm Yours. 23:43 That is kind of the way I felt, we know where we were. 23:47 Every one of us knows where we came from and what a 23:51 blessing it is to be where we are - Amen! 23:53 How incredible is it to really know who you are? 23:57 I know who I am, and I know that I brought nothing to 24:00 Christ and yet He said, the I'm going to re-create and 24:03 restore in you everything because I love you. 24:06 Well I know I have a home in heaven. 24:10 I know my friends are all going to be there. 24:12 I know my soul-mate over here, that I love very much, 24:14 is going to be there. 24:15 - Because your wife, you ride with your wife... 24:17 - That little gal prayed for me all those years 24:19 and she still does. 24:20 She rides with me and I am blessed with a motorcycle it 24:23 has two cruise controls, one is on the handlebars, 24:26 and one sits behind me and says, your getting too fast. 24:28 - That is too funny! 24:31 But actually the greatest thing that God threw all my 24:34 sins into the sea of forgetfulness. 24:36 I don't have any because they're all gone - Incredible. 24:39 All of the things that I have done, He doesn't remember, 24:42 and I don't remember, I try not to. 24:44 It is just a fantastic walk and having all these 24:49 Christian Brothers to ride with. 24:51 If you have a problem call Roger up and say, man, 24:53 I got a problem, and are you busy? 24:55 I haven't had heard him yet to say, no, what do you need. 24:58 That is what it is all about. 25:01 We just want the secular bikers to know how great it is, 25:05 for us, how much fun we really have, how much love 25:09 we really share for each other. 25:11 - I know that there are some secular bikers watching 25:14 this program, so could you talk to them, could you say, 25:17 I want to tell you something, what would it be? 25:21 I can tell them that regardless of how much fun you think 25:25 you are having, come ride with us for a month and we'll 25:28 change your mind completely. 25:30 We will turn you around, and not just us but you will see 25:34 the peace and the love that God has given through us. 25:38 - The restoration of your families. 25:39 - the restoration of our families, our kin. 25:42 It is the greatest thing that ever happened to me. 25:46 I didn't know the Lord till I was 46 years old, 25:50 and I regret that I lost all those years in there, 25:53 when I could have been serving Him. 25:54 But now I hope I have the opportunity to make up for a 25:58 lot of that when I get a chance to witness to people. 26:06 Again I just, your family is closer, my granddaughter is 26:14 coming up to me and says, Pa Pa, I love you. 26:17 Now that is one of the greatest things that 26:20 any man can have. - Right! 26:21 I have thirteen grandchildren, I have twelve great 26:24 grandchildren, and I am one blessed person. 26:27 - For most of us what is really that a lot of people don't 26:30 realize, for most of us with our drinking and all of 26:32 our junk, we literally destroy our bodies and half the time 26:35 don't live long enough to see grandchildren. 26:37 When Larry was talking about being diabetic and having 26:41 parts of his body, they were thinking of amputating parts 26:45 of his body because of the diabetes. 26:46 But God saves us from all that stuff and says, 26:50 let Me just walk you into health. 26:52 Some of us still have to live our consequences, 26:55 but most the time He puts His hand on us 26:57 and restores all that. 26:58 He gives us our health back. 27:00 He gives us our families back. 27:01 He gives us our mind back, somewhat! 27:03 Well like I said, He took the alcohol away, 27:07 He took the nicotine away and 80 percent of my vocabulary. 27:13 It has just been great for me, I am enjoying it. 27:18 I really enjoy it, I enjoy going to church and I enjoy 27:22 going to CMA, and just telling people about Jesus. 27:26 Of course I am always telling jokes, I spend half my 27:30 time doing that, but I enjoy that too. 27:32 - You can tell some good ones! 27:33 I like seeing people laugh, I think that is part of it. 27:36 Like I said if you can't have a little fun being a Christian, 27:40 go back to whatever you was doing. 27:42 When Christ got a hold of you, when you realize, 27:46 you know what I'm done, what was Darleen's response? 27:50 What was your children's response because, 27:51 where they home at that time? 27:52 Were they still home or were they off and married? 27:55 - Some of them were, yes. 27:56 We had one daughter married and actually one of the best 27:59 testimonies I really can half, I had a real good friend 28:02 that I used to drink with. 28:03 He came through, I live in Tuscola, Illinois and he came 28:08 through and got a motel when he called me. 28:10 I said I will be down there in a little bit. 28:12 So I walked in and he is expecting me to come in with 28:14 a fifth a whiskey or a case of beer. 28:16 I walk in with a thermos of coffee. 28:17 He said, what are you doing? 28:19 I said, I need to tell you something. 28:20 He said, what's that? 28:21 I said, well I met Jesus Christ and my life has changed. 28:24 You're kidding? 28:25 No, one other thing, I'm going to prison Monday. - Ouch! 28:30 - Were you sentenced to prison, did you actually go? 28:33 Oh, I went to prison as a spirit-filled Christian. 28:37 - Ministering to everybody 28:41 - They didn't know what to do with me because 28:42 everything they said to me, 28:43 all they could get out of me was praise the Lord! 28:45 They wasn't expecting that. 28:46 But anyway I shared with this man about three hours, 28:50 her and I did, and he said, 28:52 when you get out of prison call me. 28:53 So he lives in Louisiana, so I called him and we went 28:58 He is singing with the gospel singing group. 29:01 So the next time I go down he has a church at the 29:04 trailer court that he owns. 29:06 Now he has a big church that he is building, 29:08 and I said man what brought all of this on. 29:10 He said, well I told my wife if God can change that man, 29:13 He can change anybody. 29:15 - Woo Hoo, alright! 29:16 Give me five on that! 29:17 For some of us that is a witness to every single person 29:22 around us. - Yep! 29:24 Yeah, he has a big church now and I just praise God for 29:27 that, but if that is what it took, just one person to 29:31 come around and now he is reaching people. - Exactly! 29:34 Everybody is reaching people, Roger is reaching people. 29:39 And they can see the change in us, if they can't see, 29:44 actually all these bikers here, we are the only Jesus that 29:49 a lot of people is going to see. 29:51 They are not going to church 29:54 - People are afraid of them. 29:56 We are the only Jesus they are actually going to see. 29:59 If we don't live our lives to the point where they can 30:02 see something that we have, that they would like to have, 30:05 then we are not doing it right. 30:06 Exactly! You know to me, a lot of times when you say 30:09 you take a ride to Sturgis or some place like that, 30:12 and you are amongst everybody kind of partying and just 30:16 being crazy, is that most of us are afraid of that. 30:19 We see 15 or 20 bikes ride down the street and people 30:23 are locking their doors, 30:24 it's like what is happening here? 30:26 That is the very place you want to be - yes! 30:29 Well actually the Blessing of the Bikes at Bald Knob 30:33 every year, our local chapter. 30:35 - What is that, I've heard that, the Blessing of the Bikes? 30:38 It is a sticker that we put on the bike, we pray for the 30:41 bike, we pray for the rider, for safety for them. 30:44 We have outlaw bikers, we have secular bikers, 30:48 we have all kinds to show up for this. 30:50 I suspect they come up for the Road Kill Stew, 30:53 but they also get a sticker. 30:55 - I don't even want to ask what Road Kill Stew is. 30:59 That scares me, I'm not trying to be vegetarian. 31:03 I'm bringing my own meal if I come. 31:06 Well it's just, actually it's very good chili stew, 31:11 but we call it Road Kill Stew and that gets them up there. 31:13 You know you are talking, how many people come up, 31:17 because I was surprised by the numbers? 31:18 This year I think we had 3,400 bikes up there, and last 31:24 year we had over 5,000 and had all kinds of them turn 31:30 around because they couldn't get up there. 31:32 The whole mountain was full, the road was full, and the 31:35 bikes were getting hot so they had to turn around. 31:37 - For people, it was interesting to me and you guys know 31:40 this because you have been there, is that for people 31:43 that come up and say, I don't know anything 31:47 about anything, but I need a blessing. 31:49 I think that may be the first time for some of these 31:52 folks that someone has prayed, because you gather around 31:55 them and pray for them, pray for their bikes, pray for 31:57 their riding, pray for their safety. 31:59 I think it is interesting their heart is drawn towards that. 32:03 It is fun because I think how many lives are changed, 32:06 we don't get to know most of the time - we don't. 32:09 The thing with me as if I can reach a biker, and he can 32:16 go to my church, I'd love it, but to get him in a church 32:22 where there is people that is going to help him, 32:25 not just say well now that you have met Jesus, 32:28 you are on your own. 32:29 I think they need the fellowship and they need to be led 32:33 for a while until they can really get into it. 32:36 You know my heart breaks when I hear that because for one, 32:41 for a lot of these guys, Roger kind of said the same thing, 32:46 is that from a little kid I am acting out. 32:50 I'm in these clubs, I'm doing drugs and all that stuff. 32:52 I don't know how to act, you say 80 percent of my 32:55 language is this, so if I am not mentored, and not being 32:59 walked along, I'm in trouble. 33:01 I have to have somebody say, this is how you deal with anger. 33:05 This is how you deal with your language. 33:07 You know what, that joke is funny but you might want to 33:10 hold off on telling that because, because if you like 33:14 telling jokes, the jokes from the bar are not 33:16 good for potluck at church. 33:18 Well the guy down in Louisiana that has a church, he 33:23 used to say he didn't have to come into a bar 33:25 to see if I was there. 33:26 He could open the door and hear me cussing, so they 33:28 didn't have to walk in. - That is too funny! 33:32 I had a bad mouth and I didn't realize it. 33:35 - So it is like you been able to say that you are going 33:38 to go out, your heart says I am not going to stop doing 33:41 this until I stop breathing, but now I have to have 33:44 a body of Christ that lets them come in the door. 33:46 And not writing notes to the Pastor saying, 33:49 look what that guy is wearing in the back. 33:51 Let them come in the door. 33:53 Oh yeah, invite them in and of course I think Roger will 33:58 have to agree when I ask him to go to CMA with me. 34:02 First off he doesn't want to - really? 34:04 But then Ron and our riders grabbed him and hugged him 34:10 and said welcome, and I think that blew you away, didn't it? 34:13 And they were serious, they were very serious and glad to 34:17 see him there. - Right! 34:18 So once you said that, and once he did come realizing 34:21 that you belong here, you belong here. 34:25 You are our brother in Christ. 34:27 You are our friend in Ministry. 34:30 We want to stand and affirm you and stand you up. 34:33 Teach you how to literally go out and rescue the very 34:37 people that are putting us down, trying to get us out of there. 34:42 So we are going to teach you to do that because that's 34:45 what are gig is, we are going to disciple you here. 34:49 That's right, I had my very best friend was an enforcer 34:54 for the Mafia 16 years. 34:55 He has a Motorcycle Prison Ministry, this man was tough. 35:00 But it does me good to stand him up and put my arms around 35:04 him and say, man, we love you. 35:07 Now that to me, being a man, that's being a Christian, 35:11 because we really do, anyone of us would do anything, 35:15 and I think a lot of people would think, men are crazy, 35:19 but that is the way we feel. 35:20 Same way with Roger, man I love you 35:23 - Call me if you need me. 35:25 If you are having a struggle I don't care what time it is. 35:28 - We are here if you need us, that is our motto. 35:30 So it does not make any difference what the problem is. 35:34 If you're bike is broke down, if you need me call me. 35:37 Don't you want the whole Church to do that? 35:40 - I'd like everybody to do that, this would be 35:42 a lot better world for us. - Exactly! 35:44 You know if they are starting as young as Danielle, 35:46 maybe someday the whole Church will be that, will do that. 35:51 That's right you know the children - they are going to 35:56 lead us, that is what Christ says. 35:57 I want to say thanks for sharing with us. 36:02 Thanks for doing what you do. 36:03 Thanks for responding to the heart of God. 36:05 It was my pleasure and I loved every minute of it. 36:09 Amen! We are going to go ahead and be right back. 36:12 It is amazing to me when I look at God is comfortable in 36:18 places where we wouldn't even know how to be. 36:20 Don't even know how to stand and God says I am so 36:22 comfortable there, I am so comfortable drawing them. 36:26 God says I delight in that, I do back flips in that. 36:30 So once I sit with them, once I draw them, once they accept 36:35 My forgiveness, they just have to come in the building 36:39 because that is the next step. 36:40 We just have to let them in. 36:41 We will be right back, stay with us! |
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