Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Buddy Williams, Bryan Myers, Lemuel Vega
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000106B
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues
00:03 related to addictive behavior. 00:05 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:06 may be too candid for younger children. 00:14 Welcome back. 00:16 We're talking about, you know, 00:17 I'm supposed to be out of prison. 00:19 You know how do we do that in a psychological sense. 00:22 And God finds us in the darkest places 00:25 and nothing scares Him. 00:27 He's bigger than all of that 00:29 and that's my favorite part of recovery 00:31 and recovery stories and testimony. 00:33 So we were talking to Buddy. 00:34 Buddy's bringing his friend Bryan up. 00:36 But I'm looking at the cafe 00:37 and I want to just say hi to everybody. 00:39 My friend from Australia is here. 00:41 We've got Abigail here with us. 00:43 And we got Lemuel. 00:44 Lemuel, you do prison ministries 00:46 and you know these guys. 00:48 So I want to make sure that I say hi to you. 00:50 And what do you think about what we're talking about? 00:52 You know what, it's so cool to be here. 00:54 I really appreciate the opportunity. 00:55 You know when I was in prison, Cheri, 00:58 I wanted to reach out 00:59 and share with the people in the world 01:01 to not come the way I came. 01:03 You know and that desire of what these brothers are doing, 01:06 they've been locked up, they've been there 01:08 and so now they're bringing true freedom. 01:10 They're bringing it full circle. 01:11 They're come full circle from being a convict and an inmate, 01:14 like you were a heroin addict. 01:16 Now you're sharing hope with the world. 01:17 These brothers go consistently back to the county jail 01:20 where they started their journey to prison 01:23 to share hope with all those young people. 01:25 And they don't get discouraged 01:26 when they see the same guy coming back again. 01:28 You know they don't say, "Hey, I told you, 01:30 you know, you didn't get it right." 01:31 And so they're sharing the love of God in real terms. 01:34 So it's just really huge. It's a blessing. 01:37 It's absolutely incredible. 01:38 And thank you for joining us in the cafe. 01:40 It's a blessing to be here. 01:42 So, Buddy, you were talking about, 01:43 you know, that moment where you knew 01:46 that God had stepped in and that you had surrendered. 01:50 But you-- you're still in solitary. 01:53 You know what I mean? I'm still there. 01:55 And so I want you to tell us how-- 01:57 what God--how God got you from there to here 02:00 and then introduce Bryan, 'cause you guys have a ministry 02:03 and I would love to hear Bryan's-- 02:04 a little bit about Bryan's story 02:06 and definitely about what you're doing now 02:08 and the passion of your heart. 02:09 All right. 02:10 Yeah, when I was at the Supermax 02:13 like I said I surrendered my all 02:15 and I knew I couldn't do it myself. 02:18 And I had to just give in and I did. 02:21 I thank God that I did because I-- 02:25 where else could I go like I said. 02:27 But you never let anyone have control in your life. 02:30 I mean, you know, I'm thinking about this kid, 02:31 that says I am actually in control and I'm gonna do it 02:34 and I'm gonna run the program 02:35 and I'm gonna play the system 02:37 and I'm gonna come in and do all those kind of stuff. 02:39 And now you have a God that says 02:41 I want you to surrender that to me. 02:44 That could not have been an easy step or was it? 02:48 Were you that broken? 02:49 I was so broken that I had no peace. 02:52 I mean I was so miserable that I knew 02:54 that my next step was death. 02:56 So I had to turn to Him. 02:58 And I thank God for the people that were praying for me. 03:01 So I gave it all to Him and I just said, 03:04 "Lord, here, I'm a mess, clean me up." 03:07 And when I did that it was just a burden left me. 03:11 I mean I knew that He was in control. 03:13 I was no longer in control and I knew it. 03:15 Did you feel, when you turned it over to God 03:18 did you feel any sort of condemnation? 03:21 I have to say that I knew the Word enough to know 03:26 that no matter what I've done that He had forgiven me. 03:29 And I knew that and He will. 03:31 No matter what we've done, He forgives us. 03:32 So I knew, 'cause I was raised in a church. 03:35 So I knew that He had forgiven me 03:38 no matter what I've done once I give it to Him. 03:41 So condemnation, no. 03:42 The devil would try to get me into condemnation 03:44 but I knew I was free. 03:46 I was--my sins were wiped away and I knew it. 03:49 So I thank God that He is a loving God 03:52 and He put that love in my heart and I started loving others 03:55 that I despised and everything, my desires started changing. 03:59 And then I ended up-- they moved me from there 04:01 to different maximum security prisons there in Virginia. 04:04 I went to three more--two more and then they moved me back. 04:09 Finally I was there 5 years, moved me back to Indiana. 04:12 The Lord knew what was gonna happen. 04:15 See, so I went back 04:17 and it was just so much of a coincidence I guess. 04:21 I go there to this prison, they move me back to Indiana 04:24 and there all the main people that I'd dealt with, 04:27 there they all started coming. 04:28 So it was like a setup. Exactly, they know you. 04:30 We're gonna hustle again. Right. 04:31 And they're there at this exact prison. 04:34 I mean the main people and here I am 04:36 and yeah, they're coming to me. 04:37 And, you know, hey, Buddy, what's up? 04:39 And, you know, and I'm-- 04:40 but I had to let him know right off, here is what's up. 04:43 I'm a changed man. That's no longer-- 04:45 But they say. It's like that's no longer who I am. 04:47 Right, and then a lot of people say that, 04:50 you know, but you got-- 04:51 they got to see it themselves 04:52 and then they seen it and they realized 04:54 hey, he's for real and they respected that. 04:56 So the Lord knew I had to get rooted and grounded which I did. 05:00 I stayed in the Word and I had some guys 05:03 that really helped me out a lot 05:04 and while I was there in Virginia. 05:06 And so I got rooted and grounded. 05:08 I didn't go and stand those temptations, 05:11 'cause I had--I was rooted, I was grounded, you know, 05:14 'cause, man, the devil comes, 05:16 he comes to try to take that Word out of you 05:18 before it gets too deep. 05:19 'Cause he knows once it gets so deep he's lost it, right? 05:23 Somebody says to me, 05:24 why in recovery do I need to get into the Bible? 05:27 And I tell them, 'cause that's where the promises are. 05:30 That's where your strength's gonna come from. 05:32 When the--when God says, "I will lift your head. 05:35 I will sing over you while you sleep. 05:38 I forgive your sins. Confess to me. 05:40 Ask me anything," all that kind of stuff 05:42 as if we don't know-- it says it in there 05:44 if we don't know what Christ did, 05:46 what His blood covers, the sacrifice He made for us 05:48 then we don't know to hold on to it when we're struggling. 05:52 And so what you said I think 05:53 is one of the most important things in recovery is 05:56 I got to know what it says, not what somebody tells me. 05:59 It says open the book, read it myself. 06:02 And then I can stand against anything 06:04 that the devil's gonna throw at me, 06:06 anything that my own addictive thinking 06:09 and addictive head is gonna throw at me, 06:11 'cause I can go to the Word 06:12 and just recite it as I'm being changed. 06:14 Yeah, that's what it's about, is renew your mind 06:18 and that's what I had to do and so I was in the Word deep 06:22 and I was ready to withstand any temptation that come my way. 06:26 So while I'm there in Indiana I ended up getting out, 06:30 I stayed about another year and a half, 06:32 so a total of about 22 years in institutions. 06:35 I got out on parole. I get out off parole. 06:39 I did 2 years parole and then while I'm on parole 06:43 the miracle is I ended up going to the jail 06:46 and they allowed me to go down there to do jail ministry 06:48 and I was in my own parole. No way. 06:50 Because usually on parole they don't let you. 06:51 Right. Yeah, so that's a miracle in itself. 06:54 So I go down there. 06:55 They knew, you know, 06:57 the Lord let them know that I was a changed man 06:59 and that they knew that I can give hope to the others 07:03 there because they knew how I was. 07:04 And those same guys, you know, 07:07 they're going through the same things I was and there is hope. 07:10 So they allowed me. And you speak that language. 07:12 I mean you speak their language. 07:13 They know that you're from the same place. 07:15 And is that where you met Bryan? 07:16 Yes, I knew Bryan from before 07:18 when I was out in '89 07:20 for the 5 1/2 months, I explained to him. 07:22 I had met him then. 07:24 Yeah, he was down in the jail 07:25 when I started doing jail ministry 07:27 and I got to see him down there and speak to him. 07:30 And he was coming to church services 07:31 and that's where I ran into Bryan again. 07:34 So, Bryan, what's your story? 07:35 My name is Bryan. I had a good childhood. 07:40 I mean both parents, you know, 07:42 wealthy parents I mean a great childhood. 07:44 I started drinking about 15 and got let into just 07:49 drinking more and more and more and then-- 07:52 'Cause when you started it was just, 07:53 I'm just gonna party. Right. 07:54 Yeah, I didn't even do any drugs to start off. 07:57 I just drank. I hated drugs. 07:59 And then I started experimenting little bit 08:03 with some drugs here and there, 08:04 some weed and then I got end up to weeding 08:08 and doing coke and stuff like that. 08:10 And then I had something happen in my life. 08:12 My girlfriend died in a fire 08:15 and it changed my life, you know. 08:18 I mean then I started really getting into deep drugs 08:22 and it just went haywire, you know. 08:25 I started shooting drugs, you know, anything, 08:27 I can get coke mostly on it, just out of control with it. 08:31 There's a point in our addictions 08:33 that sometimes we're out there partying, 08:36 we're out there using but when we're trying to mask pain, 08:39 we have to kick up the level 08:41 of what we put in our body way high. 08:44 And so it sounds like after her death, 08:46 you just--it's like I just need to escape. 08:48 I'll just take whatever. Right, right. 08:50 It just kept getting more and more, 08:51 but you know how that goes. 08:53 I mean you do a little bit to kill the pain 08:54 or kill the thoughts of your mind. 08:56 And then it has to become more and more and more. 08:58 Then I started going to prison. 09:01 I got arrested and jailed a few times. 09:03 Then I went to prison. I got out. 09:06 Then my--I got my younger brother into it, you know, 09:11 and then he ends up dying OD'ing in 2002. 09:16 Then I'm in and out of prison, 09:18 you know, 12 years old. 09:19 Is there a point in your life that you just thought, 09:22 you know, if I hadn't lead him in there, 09:24 into this lifestyle would he still be alive? 09:27 Did you deal with any of that stuff? 09:29 Up until the day I understood what Jesus-- 09:31 how Jesus is, you know, 09:32 up until that day, 4 years, 5 years, 09:35 6 years ago, you know, 09:37 up until then I carried the guilt, you know. 09:39 I mean, you know how the devil is. 09:41 He weighs you down with it. Right. 09:44 And I'm in and out of prison, you know, in and out. 09:47 And then I get out and I am sitting there 09:53 and I decide to give up with the shooting the drugs 09:58 and the drinking but I'm still eating a bunch of pills. 10:00 Well, then I'm working 7 days a week and I get back in. 10:06 Alas, I made a mistake and I let somebody come over 10:10 and I used to make a lot of drugs, you know, meth 10:13 and he wanted to make some 10:14 and I wanted to get some of the product, 10:16 the meth to trade for pills, you know. 10:18 And it all went haywire. 10:21 And I ended up in jail and I was sitting there 10:24 and I'm facing 50 years, you know, and-- 10:28 Wow, 50 years. Yeah. 10:30 You're gonna--you're thinking you're gonna die in there. 10:33 Right, and the way that I was, you know, 10:36 I thought, man, this can't go on like this. 10:41 So I decide--I was raised in church as a 14 year-- 10:47 like 14 years in church 10:49 so the seed was in there, you know. 10:50 Thank God, thank God my parents did that for me 10:53 because, you know, when we go to do ministry 10:55 we're in together, you know, 10:57 people are like "are you doing any good, you know?" 10:59 Nobody is--it's not really any affects. 11:02 It's like--but it is because we're planting seeds, 11:04 you know, and those seeds will prosper 11:06 and they will come forth someday. 11:07 You know the Bible says that, you know. 11:10 And you knew that because of your own life. 11:13 Because my life was like that 11:14 and Buddy's life was like that, you know. 11:15 It was planted in there and when we hit rock bottom 11:18 then the seed came forth, you know. 11:21 We knew where to go. We knew where to turn. 11:22 We turned to the Lord. 11:24 When you hit rock bottom and you've been there you know 11:27 that there's nowhere to go. 11:30 You can't run anymore. 11:32 So you're sitting there and decide--did you pray? 11:35 Did you just say, "God, you know, I'm done?" 11:38 Yeah, I prayed to Him and I thought, you know, 11:42 man, whatever-- 'cause I had so much anger, 11:46 so much hostility, so much animosity 11:49 built up inside of me, you know, 11:50 that I just wanted something different, you know. 11:54 And I thought, you know what, 11:55 even if I don't get out I don't care. 11:56 You know, I mean I just want to be free. 11:59 I want to get free on the inside. 12:00 And I just prayed, you know, and I thought, man, 12:03 if I can just keep these Ten Commandments in my life, 12:07 you know, 'cause I didn't know anything 12:08 about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. 12:10 I just knew that-- 12:12 He started with me with the Ten Commandments. 12:14 He said pay attention to these. 12:15 These will set you free. 12:17 Don't lie, don't steal, 12:19 don't sleep around, put Me first. 12:21 And it was like all of a sudden-- 12:22 I think that He starts with us 12:24 some times with that kind of stuff, 12:27 'cause we don't know about relationships. 12:28 Who taught you about relationships? 12:30 You know anything about, you know, I just thought, 12:32 man, if I could just-- 12:33 if I just keep these Ten Commandments, 12:35 you know, I'll never come back. 12:36 When I do get out some day, I'll never come back. 12:39 And then as I started reading the Bible, you know, 12:42 I found out that it's not just a book. 12:45 If you look at it like that it is a book 12:46 but if you've realized that there's--it's a life. 12:49 You know what I mean? 12:50 If you realize that the Jesus Christ is the Word-- 12:52 The living Word of God. Amen. 12:54 Then you start to realize hey, there's hope in here, you know. 12:59 There's more to it than just a book. 13:01 It's actually living Word, you know. 13:03 And we just start-- I started praying, 13:07 reading and reading and then-- 13:10 I love--I was doing Proverbs one time. 13:13 And it said beware of the person that wants to, 13:16 like wants to invite you into their house to party 13:19 or to be loose or do whatever and I'm thinking, you know, 13:23 I was surprised that how many things in the Bible-- 13:26 beware of the person that winks their eye at you. 13:28 Don't go over here, there's somebody that's actually 13:31 hustling or planning evil. 13:32 But there is a lot of stuff that was in there 13:34 that I didn't know as an addict 13:37 that I thought how cool was that, you know. 13:39 So even Old, New Testament 13:40 you will find things in there to live your life by. 13:43 So you literally turn it over, start changing in jail. 13:49 You come in and you're meeting with him. 13:52 Did you meet with him while he was still in jail? 13:54 Yes, I was going with the chaplain there 13:58 doing jail services with him at first 14:00 and then I ended up getting my own services after that, 14:04 but yeah, I was there seeing him. 14:05 He was coming to the church services. 14:07 So, you know, I'm gonna guess that you didn't get 50 years. 14:12 No, I didn't. You're here. 14:13 Do you know what that means? 14:15 That's another part of the testimony 14:17 that how good God is, really is, you know, 14:20 because when I go to court the first day 14:22 and it's called an arraignment. 14:23 They're reading off my charges and the prosecutor says 14:26 up to 20 years this charge carries. 14:28 The judge says. "I'm gonna give you 50 years." 14:30 Oh, no, he said, and the judge said, 14:32 "The only plea I'll accept from you Mr. Myers 14:35 is if you plead to 20 years, 14:36 I'll take no other plea bargains." 14:38 And the prosecutor is like, 14:39 "No I won't file. I bet you. I'll give you 50." 14:42 So I'm like okay, you know. 14:45 Because they know-- they know you. 14:47 They know your history, they know your record. 14:49 It's not this is not the first time you've been in court. 14:52 There had been one and it was for meth. 14:54 So I mean and they've been wanting to give me 14:56 for a lot of years for they just couldn't, you know. 14:58 And so when they got me there were--it was gonna be over 15:02 and I fought it for like a year, almost two years. 15:06 But see how good God is that He works it out, 15:08 that the same prosecutor and the same judge, 15:11 almost 2 years later the Lord touches the prosecutor's heart 15:16 and he just hands me 5 1/2 year plea bargain. 15:20 Because he knows the changes that happened. 15:22 He can see them. 15:24 And it's amazing to me, 'cause I've worked with people 15:26 in the court systems since I've been in recovery 15:28 and they said, sometimes when somebody 15:30 surrenders to God and that change happens 15:32 you could see it in every, every cell. 15:35 You could just see it. You know it's real. 15:37 And they know that you were changed. 15:39 Yeah. 15:41 Well, mostly the Lord, you know, I just-- 15:44 I think He touches, softened his heart, 15:46 you know, because He hadn't seen the change yet. 15:49 I mean and he thought I was just saying that, 15:51 you know, that I had changed my life. 15:53 And I go on to prison and I get out-- 15:58 well, when I'm in prison 16:00 and I'm getting ready to get out I meet this guy, Jay. 16:02 He's a pastor in West Fulham. 16:04 He was like "What do you want to do when you get out?" 16:06 I said "I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. 16:08 I'm gonna go back down in the jail 16:09 and I'm gonna be part of the ministry." 16:10 He's like "Well, that's awesome. 16:12 I hope you can, you know, but, you know, 16:14 you have to wait 2 years before you can go back 16:16 into an institution after release." 16:18 And I said, "No, 16:20 the Lord really put on my heart that's what I'm gonna do." 16:22 He's like "All right, all right." 16:24 I think that God has a plan. Yes. 16:26 And it's weird when you feel that, 16:28 from your bottom of your heart you think, you know, 16:30 I know that that's the way it's supposed to be, 16:31 but I believe that God is gonna call me to stand here. 16:35 That's what I said. 16:37 I said I believe 16:38 the Lord's gonna open up the door 16:39 because that's what He's telling me. 16:41 And a week after I am out I'm going back down to the jail. 16:44 And how did that happen because that's unheard of? 16:46 It really is unheard of, 16:48 because they don't want you sneaking drugs in. 16:49 They don't want you playing all that kind of stuff. 16:51 They know that that's really common. 16:53 So they really have those timelines 16:55 to avoid people doing that kind of hustle. 16:58 And yet they said, "Go ahead," 17:01 because they bought the fact that you have changed. 17:04 Yeah. 17:06 The jail commander, you know, and the chaplain, 17:10 they're like man, this guy has changed. 17:13 So in the--we have like 5 minutes left. 17:17 So and I would love to just stay on 17:19 everybody's story because I-- my favorite thing, 17:22 most favorite thing is God's grace. 17:24 The fact that He looks at us, we are guilty as sin. 17:28 We deserve all of the punishments 17:30 that come our way. 17:31 We should not be welcome back into the society 17:34 and God says, "I want you to leave all of that behind. 17:36 I want to cover everything that you've done 17:38 with the blood of Christ and I want to show you 17:41 who I created you to be originally 17:42 and you are going to stand 17:44 in the presence of a holy God full of joy." 17:47 And I just think how does he do that. 17:49 I would love to stay on that 17:50 but I want to cover your ministry, 17:52 Buddy, and even your shirt that you wore, 17:55 "I seek the Most High," you know, 17:57 instead of "I seek to get high." 17:59 You know I love that and you designed that 18:03 because that's your heart right now. 18:04 Yes. So what is your ministry? 18:08 How did you form it? Tell us a little bit about it. 18:12 Educate us on what you're doing. All right. 18:14 I started--I was with chaplain for about a year. 18:19 Then I asked him could I do my own and they said yes. 18:22 So I just started going every week 18:24 down to the jail on Sunday to do services 18:28 and then there in a week's time 18:30 I get to go and talk to the guys, 18:31 call him out and get with them personally. 18:34 And then Bryan, he started coming with me, 18:39 probably about 3, 3 1/2 years ago. 18:42 Did you think they were gonna okay him when he just got out? 18:46 Well, here's another miracle, I mean, 18:48 because I was thinking, you know, 18:50 you always think, ain't no way. 18:51 That's against the rules, that's against--but, 18:53 you know, God worked it out. 18:55 He knew it's for real 18:56 and He knew that he could be a help there 18:58 and me and Bryan's good teammates together. 19:00 We can relate to a lot of guys 19:03 and the Lord's really used us down there. 19:05 He turned our misery into our ministry. 19:08 That's the way I look at it. 19:10 All of our past, so no matter what we've done, 19:12 you know, God can turn that around 19:14 and make good out of it 19:15 and that's what He's doing in our life, 19:16 'cause we can reach those. 19:18 And for people that are watching 19:19 you have had times of remorse. 19:22 So I mean if you could have changed that 19:23 you would change all that. 19:25 So it's not that you're saying it's no big deal. 19:27 God is just saying, "I have carried it for you. 19:30 I died to take that weight for you." 19:32 And it's not fair, it's not-- 19:34 you know I don't understand it myself 19:36 but He said it's not that that stuff didn't matter. 19:39 But the penalty went to Christ 19:42 and you were given the righteousness of Christ. 19:44 And He said, stand in that righteousness 19:47 regardless of what anyone says, 19:48 regardless of what the devil himself says. 19:50 I need you to stand. And that's powerful, powerful. 19:54 Now you're going and taking that message into someone else. 19:57 You are-- you're even non-profit, 20:00 I mean all of that kind of stuff 20:02 or you-- did you do all that? 20:04 No, we just--it's just that we go down there 20:07 and do church volunteer, you know. 20:09 We go and then I ran into Lemuel and he's really blessed us. 20:14 The Lord has used him and us to get together. 20:17 He's let us come and go with him to prison 20:20 and we're possibly going to be going to some other prisons. 20:25 And it's just a blessing to be able to go back where you were 20:28 and to go in and say "Hey, you can make it, too. 20:31 If I can do it, if Bryan can do it, 20:32 you can do it." Exactly. 20:34 When you go in, Bryan, and you look at somebody, 20:38 how do you convince them that you know them? 20:41 Well, I mean because the language that you talk, 20:44 you know, that I talk and Buddy talks and he talks, 20:47 you know, it's different, you know. 20:49 And so they can feel what we're saying 20:52 and they know we can feel what they're saying. 20:54 So when we tell them, you know, 20:55 there is hope, man, we were there. 20:56 You know I was once in that hole, you know. 20:58 Someone showed me how to get out. 21:00 And I now feel joy. 21:02 And now I'm full of peace 21:03 instead of hate, animosity, anger. 21:06 Now it's peace and nothing beats that, you know. 21:08 There's nothing you can own everything in the world 21:11 but if you don't have peace it's meaningless. 21:13 You know to me because I've done prison ministries too 21:17 and being able to look at you 21:19 and say good on you for doing that. 21:22 God bless you for doing that. 21:23 You know 'cause there are people from their very birth 21:27 that have struggled with all kinds of things, 21:30 struggled with all kinds of dysfunctions at home. 21:33 And, Buddy, you were talking about 21:34 my dad's in and out of prison, escaping, 21:37 all of that kind of stuff 21:38 and we were set up almost, some of us from birth, 21:42 to live out the very lives that we lived out. 21:44 And yet somebody is saying right in front of you 21:48 that you don't have to. You don't have to. 21:51 There is a escape hatch. 21:53 There is a God that cares 21:54 and literally can restore you to sanity 21:56 and you're saying you got to trust that. 21:59 And it sounds like you wouldn't do anything else right now. 22:04 Right. I feel content. 22:06 God's got a plan and I want to follow it, 22:08 'cause I've been off track and I want to get back on track 22:11 and do His will and have fun doing it, you know. 22:15 Live a life and be excited about it. 22:18 That's what it's about. 22:19 I want to say thank you for coming on. 22:22 Is there anything if I ask you to just look at the camera 22:25 and say something to somebody watching, 22:27 'cause they show this program in prison, 22:29 what would you say to them? 22:31 I would say, no matter what you've done, 22:34 no matter what you've got yourself into, 22:36 there is hope, no matter where you're at today. 22:39 Man, I tell you, I've been there 22:41 and the Lord Jesus Christ can help you through anything. 22:44 Yeah, you may not be able to get up out of where you're at 22:47 but spiritually you can. 22:50 You can still have joy in a Supermax prison. 22:52 No matter where you're at, no matter what you've done, 22:55 the Lord Jesus Christ, He will forgive you 22:57 and you will have joy and peace and you can make it. 23:00 No matter what, the Lord Jesus Christ is the only way, 23:03 the only escape that I've found. 23:05 And I tell you I will not regret it for nothing. 23:08 I wish I'd started sooner, but I tell you, man, 23:12 that is the way. God is good. 23:14 And how long have you been out? 23:16 I've been out 6-- a little over 6 years, 23:19 almost 6 1/2 years. 23:20 That's different than 5 months. Yes. 23:23 This is the word record here. Yeah, amazing. 23:25 We're gonna take a break and we're gonna come back 23:27 and I'm gonna show you a program that we wrote 23:29 for this very person coming in the building 23:32 that needs to know everything. 23:34 Stay with us. |
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