Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Bob McKain
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000114C
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues
00:03 related to addictive behavior. 00:05 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:06 may be too candid for younger children. 00:14 Welcome back. 00:15 You know I love like-- a lot of times I don't think 00:18 we realize how intimate God is with us and how much? 00:22 You know, when somebody says that if you were 00:25 the only one on the planet, Jesus would have came 00:28 and died for you and I know that we sometimes think 00:31 that that's not true but it is so true. 00:33 And so I want to just take you through what I saw happen 00:37 to Bob as he joined us and where we benefit, 00:40 benefited from that and how God brought 00:43 healing to both parties. 00:45 And it's just a weird thing 00:46 to watch when everything is so clear. 00:49 So we end up-- we've been working on a program for years. 00:54 And, Bob, you know that for years. Yeah. 00:55 God gave me this vision and like 1996 and I'm 80HD, 01:01 so the vision stayed in my head, 01:03 you know, and I would tell people 01:04 and they say, that's such a great idea. 01:06 You should do something with that 01:08 and I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:10 I think it's from God 01:11 and 5 years later I'll be telling somebody 01:13 and they say that's such a great idea. 01:15 You know, you should do something with that. 01:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:19 And I finally, I ran into Joanne Davie. 01:23 Some people know her; some people don't in New Zealand. 01:26 And she said, that's a great idea. 01:29 We're gonna put that on a paper 01:31 and I'm like really and I almost cried 01:33 because I thought good 'cause, you know, 01:35 I think it should be on paper other than my head. 01:38 So she puts some things on paper 01:41 which was, you've seen them. Yeah. 01:44 And all it was, was-- you know, 01:46 kind of quickly sketched out with a copy of the cover 01:50 of one of our sets from Celebrating Life in Recovery 01:53 just, you know, kind of put together, couple of questions, 01:56 somebody's home paper cutter and they ran a group. 02:00 They ran a couple of groups and with the other programs 02:03 that were running there was 162 baptisms. 02:07 And I thought are you kidding me? 02:09 You know, people that want to get well. 02:11 People like you in dealing with what you're dealing with 02:14 or their like me coming out of addiction 02:16 so, you know, like-- you know everybody has stuff 02:18 that were coming out of and so now we get serious man, 02:22 may be that should be on paper so then me and Danny my friend 02:27 decide to put something else together 02:28 and it looks like we decided to put something else together. 02:32 And then we actually got really inspired 02:36 and we put it together where it almost looked good, 02:39 then sent it over and had somebody from 3ABN 02:42 to look at it and then they did a few things 02:44 and then you actually come on to work with us. Right, 02:46 Right, so it was just during that whole time thing. 02:50 Tell us a little bit? 02:51 Tell me a little bit about what you-- 02:54 when you walked in and saw the organization. 02:58 The organization at the-- you know, 03:00 what we were trying to do and all that kind of stuff 03:02 'cause you had to have coming from your background 03:05 you had to burst up, you had to say oh, no way. 03:10 What am I going to do? 03:11 For one I'm just gonna be really gracious 03:14 and I'm not going to say what was really going on in my head. 03:17 But-- You're good to me. 03:19 There was a real need for organization 03:22 and strong organization. 03:25 There was a real need for somebody to just step up 03:27 and say here's what we need to get done. 03:29 Here's what we gonna do it 03:31 and here's why we're gonna do it. 03:32 And in the process, that was a little difficult 03:37 because, you know, when Cheri says, you know, 03:39 when you said, it gave you sweaty palms, 03:42 I think fork out and knives. Literally. 03:47 Yeah, you know, because I came from a world 03:49 where we where, you know, we were given time schedules 03:53 and we were told, you know, 03:54 here's when you gonna have it done, 03:55 you gonna have it done by this time, 03:57 you've got-- and it's got 03:58 to be done right the first time on time and within budget. 04:02 And so, we didn't have a budget. What? Within what? 04:06 And you gonna get my palms get sweat again. 04:08 I don't know what you're saying. 04:09 So, none of those things were in place, 04:12 you know, and so the first-- 04:14 Even when you say none of those things were in place. 04:16 Even to the point where we had a number of people 04:18 doing different things but not sitting down really 04:21 and talking to each other. Correct. 04:23 And so and not that we weren't talking to each other 04:26 but not in properly and not with, 04:28 you know, where we have it. 04:29 This is kind of what we're doing 04:31 and this is direction, here's priority and stuff. 04:34 You did that a few times and it was like the ministry 04:37 just got like solid legs underneath it. 04:40 And I thought, wow, you know, how good this is for you. 04:45 So it was really cool to watch 04:48 all that kind of stuff happened. 04:50 And I think that's the key, you know 04:51 you should how good does it feel 04:53 and we did, we took it in slow, you know, we just very slowly, 04:57 okay because I'm afraid-- 04:59 I think you didn't want to stay with us. 05:00 I was afraid, I'd put you 6 feet under 05:01 if I just went awful, right. 05:03 So, you know we did, we took it very slowly 05:06 and we're still taking some things rather slowly, 05:09 but I am really pleased to what we've done 05:11 in such a very short period of time, 05:13 I mean, we've really taken things to a finish level 05:17 as an organization and not without some mishaps, 05:21 not without some miscues, not without some, 05:24 you know, difficulties, but we as an organization 05:27 now have taken and done something very cool. 05:30 And I think it's helped, it's helped not only, 05:32 you know, you talk about healing, individual healing 05:37 but I think there's healing within an organization as well, 05:41 because we bring all of our baggage to the table 05:44 and it comes with system no matter where we are at. 05:47 And so, you know I think as an organization not only have we, 05:51 you know, not only we have some ceiling together, 05:54 you know, as individuals but as an organization 05:57 and I think this is just an example 06:00 of what we're able to do now 06:02 because we've moved past some of those-- 06:08 I don't know what you want to call them 06:09 but there were issues we have, I know. 06:11 Remember, you're being gracious to me, all right. 06:15 So you know what's really I guess, 06:16 I'm gonna hit it from a little bit of a different angle 06:19 because what I saw that you gifted us with your skills. 06:24 Because a lot of times that and I think that 06:27 for this program what I want people to hear 06:29 more than even a material is that once we decide to heal, 06:33 once we decide to get into recovery, 06:35 once we decide to really honestly get into that journey 06:38 regardless of who we are, we bring our giftings 06:42 and we put legs underneath an x person. 06:45 So when you-- as you heal, 06:47 you literally stepped into a ministry about life to us, 06:50 and not that we weren't doing things, 06:51 and not that we weren't been blessed, 06:53 and not that we weren't changing lives 06:54 because our lives are changing 06:55 and others people's lives have changing. 06:57 But with your healing, you really gifted us 07:01 and so when somebody says that doesn't matter that I heal. 07:05 Absolutely, the body of Christ matters to each other. 07:08 We matter to each other. I don't have your gifts; 07:11 I don't have your gifts. You don't have mine. 07:14 But if I never get well, it doesn't matter 07:17 how many gifts you have. 07:18 And so with this group we ended up 07:21 and for some of you, you know, we have a 14-week program 07:25 based on this television show, 07:27 video clips we took Steps to Christ, 07:29 we rewrote Steps to Christ and we put it in a program. 07:32 But as we're putting this program together, 07:35 I don't think you could have done it 07:38 unless you choose to heal some. 07:39 No, I agree. I agree. 07:41 So, can you talk a little bit about that 07:44 because, you know, we're looking at, you know, the-- 07:47 even the course that outline step one is that, 07:49 you know, you're surrendering to God 07:50 and you're doing all that kind of stuff 07:52 and does that matter. 07:55 Does that matter who we are 07:57 and what we choose to do as we reach out to someone else? 08:01 Absolutely. 08:03 You know that, I think the thing over this is-- 08:07 Once I came to that point where I was willing 08:10 to let God in and willing to owe up to Him. 08:16 What I saw here was something that, 08:20 you know, I think you learn to gain a heart for, right. 08:24 And either you do or you don't. 08:25 And I think if you don't have the heart and passion for this, 08:29 then it's very difficult to see things through. 08:32 It's very difficult to deal with difficult situations 08:35 that rise out to putting this together 08:36 because you have a lot of people 08:38 and everybody has an opinion, 08:40 and everybody wants to do something. 08:41 And everybody's right. And everybody's right. 08:44 Say I love that part. 08:46 And so, absolutely I had to heal in order 08:51 to at least to some extent in order 08:53 to be able to guide people and surround-- 08:58 you know, surround us with people who could do the work. 09:01 And because I think that they have 09:03 to see that we're real as well. 09:05 So now it was really fun? 09:07 So we get a creative director which you'll meet on 09:10 this program which is friend, your wife, went to school, 09:12 works in the business field all that kind of stuff. 09:14 We're trying to take her from that field, 09:18 but she's making too much money 09:19 and we only have 20 bucks to give. 09:20 So, if you have any money, you know. 09:22 Now but anyhow, so now we end up 09:25 and I've got to say we end up during the program, 09:27 we get some graphics done. 09:29 Your son just got out of school for graphics. Yeah. 09:32 But he's drinking, he's out there, 09:34 he's angry, he's got all that stuff 09:37 and as he's putting the program together 09:39 decides to go to AA. 09:41 Yes. Decides to go to recovery. 09:43 So even in that I watch God just say 09:47 as we're putting something together that is very healing. 09:50 Let's-- you know everybody that was involved 09:54 including myself really stepped even further into our healing. 09:58 And that was so fun to watch and I've to say, 10:02 you know, there are times that I know 10:05 that you kind of set back and say, yeah, 10:08 I don't know if I want to keep doing this. 10:10 And yet you choose to keep doing it 10:11 and so I want to just say, I just have so much respect 10:14 for your, Bob, that you're doing that. 10:16 I have so much respect watching friend and James 10:20 and all that kind of stuff and standing up 10:22 watching your family stand up in their recovery stuff. 10:26 And Satan doesn't have the same hold. 10:28 No, he doesn't. And that's incredible. 10:30 So right now, you know, as we are looking at 10:34 what you did for organization, that's great. 10:37 But I want you to say to somebody that's watching 10:39 that says I don't know if I can step out and do that. 10:42 I don't know if I have it in me to turn around 10:45 and say to even my family, man, I'm sorry. 10:48 What would you say to them? 10:50 Is God trustworthy? Can they do it? 10:52 I would say absolutely yes. You know, God is trustworthy. 10:56 And, you know, I would guess I would just tell you 10:59 that if you're-- you know, if you're in that position 11:02 and you're in pain and you've got the anger 11:05 and you're-- you know and you know, we know, 11:08 we want to rip people's head off and split down their neck 11:11 and you know we're not treating our family 11:15 the way we should treat them and as far as I would just say 11:17 simply this, you know, like guardian, okay. 11:23 And I know that sounds so tribe, 11:25 but it really is just a dabbing and get a book, 11:28 you know, like may be even Cheri's book 11:31 or some book like that, that you can relate to and sit down 11:34 and let God speak to you and He will. 11:38 You know, He'll speak to you in a way 11:39 that you need to be spoke to and then be honest with Him. 11:43 He already knows anyway and so be honest with Him. 11:45 And He's crazy about you? And He is. And, so do that. 11:50 So, you know, what I got to say, 11:51 thanks for being on the program. 11:52 Yes. Thanks for working for us. 11:54 I don't know if we ever paid to you yet, have we? 11:57 Somewhat very little-- But I just want to say thanks. 12:01 And for somebody that's what, know that as you heal 12:04 whatever giftings you have, 12:06 whatever plan God has in your life, He can then unfold that. 12:10 And every single thing that you have 12:12 to offer someone else needs. 12:14 Everything that Bob has brought to the table 12:17 not only did we need that as an organization, 12:20 but we need that worldwide and people that we reach out to 12:23 and the ability to stand up and even to do a program like this 12:27 to have people around with giftings is important. 12:30 So heal reach out and give your gifts 12:32 to someone else and let God love on you. 12:34 Till then always remember that God is crazy about you, me too. |
Revised 2014-12-17