Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Rene Quispe
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000116B
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues
00:03 related to addictive behavior. 00:05 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:06 may be too candid for younger children. 00:14 Welcome back. 00:15 I don't know about you but I think we've used 00:17 every clinics on set just because and your, your story 00:23 and your journey and, and the love God 00:26 is wakening up in your journey 00:28 back to each other it was so powerful. 00:31 I'd like to say Alvy, you know thank you for joining us. 00:37 The situation in the car, what was your take on that? 00:40 Like, you know because he's telling the story 00:43 that is just so amazing. 00:46 The take is the take again between light and darkness. 00:50 Remember we're at temple and we have a will 00:54 and our choice but we choose who will indwell us 00:56 and what's thought. 00:58 And those spheres are very observant 01:00 unaware of what is going on, 01:02 on everybody's heart and the dynamics. 01:05 So when-- everything is about reclaim Rene 01:09 so when he invites me to go with him he says, 01:14 I'm afraid and I'm ashamed but I will like to invite you 01:19 and right away that he was yeah, yes. 01:21 She said ashamed, he's like a-- 01:22 well, what is she ashamed of what he's doing? 01:25 And what is the fear, the fear of rejection 01:28 and God tells me, tell him yes, because in truth his experience 01:32 in my spirit inside of him 01:35 and if you saying no to my spirit, 01:37 here that spirit will go out 01:40 and he will never open his heart again. 01:43 Wow. And so say, yes. 01:46 And when I said, okay, Laurie, yes and he comes 01:49 and gets, you know of this. 01:51 I didn't know what to say because as I'm walking 01:54 to the car the Holy Spirit wants me. 01:58 This is a spirit of life. This spirit of light. 02:01 This spirit of under distance everything is 02:03 to swine to restore unto us the fullness of God. 02:06 And he says because of what you said, 02:11 because you have so many memories that are very painful 02:16 that darkness the spirit of evil can pull that out 02:21 to destroy what I'm trying to create. 02:23 This even saying to you this moment 02:26 is so important, so sacred. 02:28 So sacred, yeah. 02:30 And he says, what so ever he's lovely, 02:33 what so ever he's pure, 02:34 what so ever he's beautiful speak of those things 02:37 and I said go Lord, there's nothing. 02:41 So what do you say? You know and I'm-- 02:43 And so I to this for anybody that just to intent, 02:46 this is years of abuse, physical, verbal 02:51 and faithfulness somebody looking right at you 02:54 just an hour go saying get me something 02:56 to eat in a disrespectable way stormed in at the house 03:00 and God is saying whatever is pure, whatever was lovely. 03:04 So this is a really-- the battle is so you. 03:09 And this is what we're talking about believing 03:12 that there is light and there is darkness, 03:14 and to seen the light. amen. 03:17 Believing that he is deaf and there is life 03:19 and choosing life but this is all outside of us not in us, 03:23 it has to be given us as we receive as we give. 03:27 We can't strive for. No. 03:29 It's a gift. No. 03:30 And we don't receive it because we say okay, 03:32 I'll give you little bit. 03:34 When you have nothing to give to the other person, 03:38 nothing that is divining good you say to Lord, 03:42 and He just says, okay here I'm. 03:45 But we receive as we give. 03:47 And so this is a fantastic thing, this coaching. 03:50 There is a verse in Isaiah that says, 03:53 and you will hear a voice behind you 03:55 or somewhere that says to the right, to the left. 03:59 Jesus himself said when the spirit is come to you 04:05 he will coach you, he will teach you, 04:07 he will guide you in all things. 04:10 So you step by step by step by step 04:12 this divine coaching is so precious. 04:17 And so I getting to the car and I'm so excited 04:19 because I'm not alone, he's not-- 04:23 I'm not dealing with Rene in the past, 04:25 I'm dealing with the God of universe. 04:29 And so I was so full of joy. 04:32 And I said oh, so thank you my love, 04:35 and I'm thinking the God of the universe 04:37 that is in Him right now. 04:40 And is in me and he's trying to restore all things 04:46 and I look around in Bakersfield where we live. 04:49 We live at the end of the San Joaquin Valley. 04:52 And we've the most contaminated air in the country. 04:58 And you don't see clearly 05:03 but the moon and the stars they were so bright. 05:06 That night, God said. 05:10 By faith maybe but that was the only beautiful thing 05:14 that I could talk about. 05:16 And I said did you see how beautiful the star, 05:19 the moon and I look at him, frozen. 05:24 And we continued and I said something else. 05:27 No answer, frozen. 05:28 Then comes this after him back and forth and there-- 05:30 here again the great drama of darkness and light. 05:36 Darkness evil says, look at him he's a coward. 05:41 There he is so full of fear and shame 05:43 he did all the messes he always does. 05:45 And now he's gonna put he's hand right there. 05:49 Waiting for you to meet him 05:52 but he never going to apologize. 05:55 So women have dignity and when evil speaks 05:58 you feel the power of evil 06:00 creating evil things inside of you, 06:01 the hardening of the heart. 06:03 You can almost feel it physically all over. 06:05 All over emotionally, mentally and physically 06:08 and says women have dignity 06:10 and he play that when with me again and again. 06:12 Women have dignity and my neck went up. 06:16 The dignity it says don't even look 06:19 because you are too weak. 06:20 Look at the window and I look at the window. 06:22 That's a power and so and that is the beauty of life 06:29 and light that says Alvy, not that way. 06:33 I didn't take into account my dignity as God. 06:36 I put it aside and I humble myself 06:40 and I became a human being. 06:42 And I humble myself unto death even a death of a cross. 06:47 And I always went to me this sinner you do this thing 06:51 and as God the light in life spoke-- 06:58 As God speaks like in creation He creates that in you. 07:03 So evil turns me away God like life turns me back 07:09 and with that joy and a love God in me infuses 07:13 that love to my pinky. 07:15 Amen. 07:17 I cannot-- Listening to here but I cannot overwhelm the guy. 07:22 No. I need to test. 07:24 If she would have taken my hand, 07:26 I probably would have taken out. 07:27 Too much. You see. 07:28 But she gonna playing with my pinky then. 07:32 And a beautiful thing when he didn't take the hand out. 07:36 It was the encouragement touch. Yeah. 07:40 But not only touch for the recovery 07:42 that they were reconnecting. 07:46 Yeah. Reconciliation. Was saying-- 07:48 Lord, one day he will be filled with Your spirit. 07:53 You knew it. And You will make us one. 07:55 And he was so precious. 07:57 He knew nothing of this but the whole universe knew. 08:02 Amen. All of the angels. Okay. 08:04 And what it met at that moment he said I knew 08:06 and I had the faith and the belief 08:08 and there is nothing should we that produces such a deep peace 08:13 and rest as when you live in this relationship with God. 08:21 I love to say if moment by moment we can live 08:29 with the presence of God in the present 08:35 we have peace which is a peace that so repulse, 08:40 so fascinating understanding 08:42 because He's the presence of God 08:46 and now we have rest. amen. 08:49 And He's not only on this Sabbath day of rest 08:54 because if we don't learn to live in this peace 08:57 and rest through out 24x7 09:02 we will not have it on the day of rest. 09:05 All right. And this is so cool. 09:08 Where is my notepad, I need to write something's done. 09:11 And God said it very clear, you lose peace you lose me. 09:14 Yeah. Amen. Reconnect. 09:17 Don't fight, don't do anything, reconnect with me. 09:19 So here is Rene and God advices me, 09:24 coaches me, He's gonna take you back. 09:27 But you're my queen, you're My baby, you're My child. 09:31 Amen. You live to please Me. 09:33 So don't you allow to devil to make you feel like I'm out 09:37 and go boo hoo him back home. 09:39 You are not an abandoned woman, you're a cherish woman by Me. 09:45 You got to say that again. 09:47 Because you got to say that again 09:48 because somebody does go back and that victim thing and he-- 09:51 the God didn't tell you that. 09:53 God said you need to remember who you are. 09:54 You are child of God, cherish by God. 09:58 It not only a child of God and cherish by God 10:03 as something that we intellectually know. 10:07 If you're having an experience of not knowing 10:11 how to do and to know that you're cherished. 10:14 I would like to say, lay down flat 10:17 wherever you're on the grass and the water 10:20 and your bed, on the carpet and say Lord, take me. 10:25 All that I've known is abuse or the street men your 10:29 physically, your emotionally, your disconnection. 10:32 I don't know You but I'm hearing something very weird 10:35 that You want to live inside of me 10:38 and I'm here, I'm coming, take over. 10:41 Take over and He's so good because I could go 10:44 in to the house, an empty house that has been a den of demons. 10:52 Of darkness entering in peace 10:56 and in joy with angels and light 10:59 and joy and celebrating because He's coming. 11:05 One day, my husband will be filled with God. 11:10 Amen. And it took quite some time. 11:16 So I want to say because Rene, once you said 11:19 it took quite some time so in the car 11:21 there wasn't this instantaneous change in the car. 11:25 But I would like you to take us 11:27 on the journey with the change. 11:28 What happened? 11:32 I didn't even understand what was going on in the car. 11:36 And but I did experience that reconnecting, you know, 11:41 first I want to put my arms around her and I was fearful 11:45 so eventually she was touching my hand 11:48 and grassing my hand and my arm. 11:51 And I felt something inside. 11:53 I cannot explain it, it is something beautiful 11:57 but it was just a feeling, you know, 11:59 and I know it was God's working it but God cannot-- 12:04 usually would not change us 12:05 or what in an instant, He can do it. 12:08 But it's better if we learn to move step by step 12:12 into the new experience with God. 12:14 So it took me long time eventually I came back home 12:18 and it was not easy. 12:19 It was still very hard. Okay. 12:22 And it was very hard for Alvy and but we kept on 12:28 trying to move in the right direction. 12:30 And I began studying things. 12:33 I began preparing materials that would help me to change. 12:37 And I began connecting with God more and more. 12:41 And it took-- it still taking time now 12:43 I mean we're doing it now. 12:45 We're in recovery. I know. I love that. 12:47 We are in-- but that's the most 12:48 honest thing I think about recovery. 12:51 Is it not that we're going to away but a destination. 12:53 No, no. We're got to be honest day to day. 12:56 There is no graduation on this course. 12:58 Yeah. Absolutely. 12:59 You see no graduations so let's keep them going. 13:01 And we now as but we try to be very faithful 13:04 in taking time everyday. 13:06 What did you do with the resentment 13:08 and you're the way that you shut things off? 13:11 Is that-- I would love to hear. Yes. 13:14 Well, I had to learn myself 13:17 and now we teach wherever we go churches, school 13:20 different places how to eliminate resentment. 13:23 Because if you have resentment in your heart 13:26 and that will destroy you. 13:27 And actually we speak not only resentment. 13:31 Resentment is the beginning of the destruction. 13:34 If you have resentment and you do not deal with it 13:37 you will have another "R" which is resistance. 13:41 You begin put in the breaks in to that relationship. 13:44 You don't bless the other person, 13:45 you don't do the things as you did before. 13:47 And it could become a very slow process 13:50 but you'll see more and more 13:51 that the breaks on the breaks on relationship. 13:53 And you felt that from Rene. 13:54 In our relationship if Rene got upset over something 13:58 very small he could raise the defenses, accuse me 14:04 and spend a month or two months or three months 14:06 almost without talking to me. 14:08 Sleeping to his side with a heart 14:11 and not wanting to have anything to do when he-- 14:15 Yeah, go ahead. 14:16 When he returned it was very hard 14:20 because he return as he left even worse. 14:23 You have the habits. Right. 14:25 You have the habits. Exactly. 14:26 And we need to acknowledge, identify and work with that. 14:31 Now let me give you the third step in the wrong direction. 14:35 We have resentment, we have resistance 14:39 and the next one is rejection. 14:43 And you begin to disconnect from the person. 14:45 You begin to live your own life of apart from the person. 14:48 You say, I don't want to be with you. Right. 14:50 And you begin having your own times. 14:53 Well, that be computer, television, books you go 14:57 you don't come back, anything. 14:59 I can do my life, I don't-- I can do my own reference. 15:01 You're not going to direct that. Yeah. 15:02 And the rejection is a lot of arrogance. 15:05 I'm doing this because I'm better than you 15:07 and I don't want anything to do with you. 15:09 In a simple way what to do with that when we teach people 15:13 is first of all we need to humble ourself 15:15 so acknowledge the reality of two or three hours 15:18 everybody has it to certain degree with some situations. 15:21 That's I mean husband and wife-- 15:22 So you're even saying don't label it, 15:24 don't label it good or bad. 15:26 Just acknowledge it. Acknowledge it. 15:27 You know how can I bring it to God? 15:29 How can I bring it to light if I can't acknowledge it? 15:31 Yeah, we need to acknowledge it first of all 15:33 and then you need to recognize this is sin. 15:36 Yeah. Because that's not God's way. 15:40 And you bring it to God and you say please forgive me. 15:43 Give me the opposite. Now what would be the opposite? 15:47 Love, cherishing, caring, helping. Reconnecting. 15:51 Reconnecting, you see all of those things. 15:53 And then you need to move in that direction. 15:55 You need to do the things that you need to do. 15:58 And you begin thinking God will give you ideas. 16:00 God will give you the desire to do it. 16:03 He will take away that constant thinking 16:05 that it goes on in your mind when you have resentment, 16:08 resistance and rejection, you see. 16:10 And when you're able to identify that 16:13 confess it to God, ask for the opposite 16:16 and you begin doing the opposite not just asking. 16:19 And that I love your emphasis on that. 16:22 Is that whether you feel it or not if there's no action, 16:26 if there's no called action if there's no behavioral change 16:29 then you may fool yourself for a while 16:32 but you're not gonna change. 16:33 You're not gonna-- the Holy Spirit cannot move you 16:36 until you start to lift your foot up. 16:38 And one thing that is very important 16:41 to understand Cheri, is that-- 16:46 the Word of God says that Satan is a liar. 16:51 And one of the lies of Satan is if you don't feel love, 16:55 if you don't feel tenderness and if you touch a person 16:59 allowing God to putting you the tenderness and the kindness 17:04 but you don't feel it you are a hypocrite. 17:07 And that's a lie. And that's a lie. 17:10 At that moment you've to choose-- 17:11 But you are an obedient person to God. Yeah. 17:15 So you know unfold that for us because you know that, 17:18 that lie is ramped. 17:22 That lie holds us captive of acting on thoughts 17:27 and feelings that are not from God because God says give. 17:33 Yeah. 17:34 I have given to you, you give us I have given-- 17:36 but I don't feel like it doesn't matter, 17:39 is in the act of giving that you receive more of me. 17:44 And there is where everything comes restore in you 17:48 and you'll become open channel for that grace 17:51 to help others to act out in their path of grace. 17:56 And even understand it to me 17:58 I would love when to say that Alvy, 17:59 is that as that grace flows to this person 18:03 that you're reaching that to there's healing 18:05 that happens for you. 18:06 Yeah. Oh, yes. 18:08 You cannot heal when God is working. 18:09 Is the only way we're being restored with God 18:12 as if really give you really receive the grace of God. 18:18 And how is it is to give 18:21 when the person is loving and kind. 18:23 It's so easy. 18:24 But the test of we are truly receiving God 18:29 is when we have nothing to give and we don't feel it. 18:32 Yeah. He's saying, okay, Lord, I understand. 18:36 This is the Gethsemane the turning point 18:43 between life and death. 18:44 Yeah, this is what Christ himself swiped life. 18:46 Where I a dead bone of that part 18:49 of there valley of dead bones, I have nothing, no more. 18:53 It doesn't matter where I grow up, 18:55 how much I knew God. 18:57 If I'm not willing to love, to forgive, to be kind, 19:00 to offer grace and this is what it enlarges 19:03 but the Bible course I have attend 19:05 in reality is God sentry. 19:09 Imagine one with immensity of God's heart and joy and love 19:13 and in all that He has enhance things 19:16 He begins to pour it to the world. 19:20 You know Cheri, when we travel we see 19:22 so many families and couples 19:24 particularly couples that are struggling. 19:27 And yes, it is true that sometimes 19:29 the separation is necessary and we acknowledge that. 19:32 It's sometimes safety. 19:33 Yes, when there is emotional or physical violence 19:39 we actually in sometimes encourage separation. 19:42 Notice that I did not say divorce, I said separation. 19:45 Because only God will tell you exactly if it is divorce 19:49 what you need to do or not but most of the time 19:52 we take those occasions as a open door for divorce. 19:55 When in reality all God wants is to heal us 19:58 and to restore their relationships. 20:00 And at the moment we need to put protection 20:03 but then we need to work with that situation. 20:05 And when the persons are willing to listen to God 20:08 and understand His ways it may take time, 20:11 it took years for us but God can do a work 20:14 that will be amazingly powerful. 20:16 And what I think I have to say 20:19 because I'm watching the two of you. 20:20 If somebody says I'm-- 20:23 I just seeking tired of the fact that is always me. 20:26 I'm always the one has to do it like-- 20:29 you must have felt that for years 20:31 and that's another lie from the enemy. 20:33 Be grateful that at least somebody sees it, 20:36 somebody gets it. 20:37 Somebody could respond in love at any given time. 20:41 And one of the things that I'd like to offer 20:44 to is that we're presenting this battle ground 20:49 and this possibility of total restoration in oneness 20:54 with God and with one another 20:56 in the context of a husband, wife relationship. 21:00 But is the same for any relationship. 21:02 Parent, children, siblings any one especially 21:06 in defend of a family you know the different circumstances. 21:11 God is waiting for us to enter 21:14 and to be the one, the first one. 21:18 In board medians. 21:19 If the power of one person that decides 21:23 this is the path that I'm choosing 21:26 but is not for us to know the end. 21:33 For some there will be restoration in healing 21:36 in the relationships for some or not. 21:39 Exactly. 21:41 Is not for us to know but God says 21:44 you perceive your and be faithful. 21:47 Yeah. That's all the you need to do. 21:48 There is a situation that we've worked with 21:51 that even with in the relationship 21:55 some one dies in the midst of their addiction 21:58 and you will sit there and say but I thought I did everything. 22:02 Don't even do that. 22:03 Don't torment yourself in that way. 22:05 Do what you can at that time and then trust 22:07 there's gonna be a time that God and you will hang out 22:10 and you realize this is what actually happened. 22:13 Cheri, the issue about rest and peace 22:17 it's not about being in control of the outcome. 22:21 It's in doing what is right in relationship with the Lord 22:24 moment by moment and resting 22:27 and leaving the consequences with God. 22:29 Incredible. We're gonna go ahead and take a break. 22:32 We're gonna come back. 22:33 Would you guys stay with me for the close? 22:35 Okay. Okay, we're gonna come back. 22:37 I would like to ask if Rene and Alvy will pray for us 22:41 and just bless us as we close off this program. 22:45 Stay with us. |
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