Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Tracy Hammond
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000118A
|
00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues
00:03 related to addictive behavior. 00:05 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:06 may be too candid for younger children. 00:11 Welcome to Celebrating Life in Recovery. 00:13 Today we're gonna talk about demons. 00:14 We're gonna talk about just being harassed. 00:17 We're gonna talk about addictions and choices 00:20 and being so lost that you do not think 00:22 you can come out and that's happened to you, 00:23 that was your life. 00:24 Yes, it has happened to me I have a story just like that. 00:27 So we're gonna stay with this in the cafe 00:29 and you're gonna be surprise at what God is able to redeem. 00:32 It's absolutely too cool. 01:03 Welcome, we are talking about-- 01:05 this whole season we're gonna talking about 01:07 maintaining our sobriety or recovery whatever. 01:11 And when I talk about sobriety people think 01:13 that I'm talking just drugs and alcohol, I am not. 01:16 We are a mess, we can be addicted 01:17 to anything, I mean literally. 01:19 You know, there are people that I worked with that-- 01:21 that you know they're alcoholics. 01:23 I don't want them to ever change 01:24 because I work for me and so I want them to work-- 01:26 you know, no, I want them to change. 01:28 But is that, we can get addicted to work, 01:30 we can get addicted to food, we can get addicted to drugs, 01:33 to relationships to all kinds of stuff. 01:36 And so this week we're going to the-- 01:38 the book Celebrations, 01:40 we're covering all kinds of different topics, 01:42 this week is temperance. 01:44 And we don't even use that word anymore, 01:45 so it's word that people don't tend 01:48 to know what that means. 01:49 And so I'm gonna-- I'm gonna tell you 01:51 the World Health Organization 01:53 it says that 2.5 million people die 01:56 from alcohol related deaths every year, 01:59 so that's four percent of all deaths. 02:01 That means out more than all other injuries cancer, 02:05 cardiovascular disease, liver, cirrhosis, alcohol-- 02:09 kind of it takes people out more than any of that 02:11 kind of stuff and so it's huge. 02:14 We tend to drink too much, 02:16 party too much, do all that kind of stuff. 02:18 And so I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go 02:20 to temperance in the different way though. 02:23 There was a guy, a normal guy played football, 02:27 was in Christian schools all that kind of stuff, 02:29 somebody gives methamphetamine one time and he loved it, 02:33 loved it and so get strung out. 02:36 Ends up during his meth addiction has seven kids, 02:40 seven kids, so we talked about temperance in that way. 02:43 Wow. So I stopped it already. 02:45 But that seven kids they're all got meth addiction issues 02:49 and then his wife says I'm done, I'm done. 02:52 And you know, you have been out of control 02:54 for so long I've done, you've-- 02:55 you've hurt the family, you've hurt us all. 02:58 And so he goes to blow her head off, 03:01 he was gonna shoot her. 03:03 One of his kids walk in six years old, freaks out, 03:06 so instead of shooting his wife he puts the gun up 03:09 against his face and blows his face off. 03:12 When the people come thinking he is dead, 03:15 he is laying on the ground 03:16 they put shock around him literally as a crime scene. 03:19 And they think he's dead, his face stays on the ground, 03:24 he comes up and says, am I dead? 03:27 No, you are not. 03:29 But they have to now restores his face, 03:30 redo all that kind of stuff. 03:32 When he is on the way to the hospital 03:34 dies four times in the ambulance 03:37 and finally says and I love this 03:38 because outside its just ridiculous. 03:41 He says, you know I think I should cleanup. 03:44 I think I should stop using. It's just so crazy. 03:48 But so now he stepped in to a life that God says, 03:51 you know what I don't want 03:52 you to do anything too extreme 03:54 because I'm gonna teach you what it means to have balance 03:57 and so temperance is just a matter 03:59 of looking that balance. 04:01 And today I'd like to introduce you 04:03 to a friend of mine Tracy Hammond. 04:06 I just have to say that you bless me 04:10 but one day my pastor is amazing, 04:13 you know, he's amazing. 04:15 We have this amazing Pastor Randy Maxwell 04:17 and Randy decided to start letting different people 04:20 kind of sit up in front and give their testimony. 04:24 And so I heard your whole testimony one time 04:26 and I thought shut up, you are--you are amazing. 04:30 And so what do you think when I talk about temperance? 04:34 When I talk about, you know, 04:35 there are times that we go so out of control 04:37 that I think even demons takeover, 04:39 what's your take on that? 04:41 You know, you are exactly right, Cheri. 04:42 And what a thrilled to be here I mean it is the cafe, 04:46 so many times I've been here and-- 04:47 and I wanted to be here. 04:49 I've been staring at you through the TV, 04:50 you live in my living room all the time. 04:52 And so thank you for invite me out here. 04:55 I'm so happy to be here. 04:56 But yeah, my testimony is-- 04:59 there is a surprising one to a lot of people 05:01 I was raised in a home that was Pentecostal with three young-- 05:05 three sisters and a great home 05:07 but as I tried to get close to God, 05:11 there was a thing where I was baptized 05:13 I supposed to get the Holy Spirit, 05:14 I supposed speak in tongues and-- 05:15 and I couldn't and it was so hard for me 05:18 to deal with that. 05:19 I thought, well, this God not love me, 05:20 do I not have enough faith in God you know and so-- 05:24 So for people that don't know speak in tongues, it's that-- 05:28 in some of the denominations they believe 05:31 that you'll speak in angelic language 05:33 or another language not a language 05:35 that anybody is gonna understand 05:36 but the language just between you and God. 05:37 Right, right. 05:39 And they are times that they will set you down. 05:41 Because I had someone do this to me. 05:42 So they will set you down 05:43 and have you just repeat a word over and over and over. 05:46 They'll pray for you 05:47 and they will wait for you to get it 05:48 and if you don't get it you really are 05:50 kind of not a secondhand Christian but-- 05:54 somehow you're not legit. 05:56 Yeah, I'm not guaranteed to make it 05:57 to heaven is the way, I was made to feel, 06:00 they would get me in circles and people lay hands one me 06:02 and get me to exoterically utter these things 06:04 and I just couldn't do it, I couldn't do it. 06:06 And so with my failure to getting close to God I-- 06:10 I drifted away and I got into 06:11 pretty bad drug addiction 06:12 back in-- back in the 90s-- 06:14 Because you're not gonna make it anyway? 06:16 No, I'm not making anyways. 06:17 If I'm not invited in a club I don't want to be in the club. 06:19 you know, God doesn't love me that's fine, 06:21 you know, I'm gonna live my life 06:22 and I went and got into the waxy crank 06:25 that was out the time. 06:28 And I got really dark into that and I started-- 06:32 I started getting pulled out of that by the spirit. 06:34 I was getting dreams to come out of that. 06:36 Okay, let's just talk about that 06:37 because one of the things Tracy, that 06:39 we're talking about on this program 06:40 is how do you maintain you're coming out of, 06:44 so what was your sliding into. 06:45 Because it didn't happen overnight, 06:47 you didn't just overnight decide 06:48 that I'm totally lost, you did one thing after another, 06:52 after another that got you so into your drug addiction. 06:54 Yeah, that's true. 06:56 I have missed a part in this where-- 06:59 where as I slid away there is formative movement in my life 07:03 that made me go to drugs and it changed my whole life 07:06 and that was when I was a young lad 07:08 in a changing pool-- room with my cousin Richie 07:10 we were there and we are changing 07:12 and as we're taking off our shorts 07:13 putting on swimming trunks 07:15 he laughed at me and pointed at me 07:16 and because I wasn't circumcised was a thing. 07:19 I didn't understand that, 07:20 I didn't understand anything about. 07:21 I thought oh, I'm different, I'm weird, 07:23 I'm not a normal little boy and I-- 07:25 ever since that time it's changed 07:27 the way I interact with woman and how relationships work 07:31 and so I barely did it anyone grown up 07:32 your high school I was just-- 07:33 oh no, I'm weird I can't be hanging other girls and-- 07:35 So what's really-- 07:37 because you know we talked about-- 07:39 on some of these programs strategy 07:41 that the devil sets up against us, 07:43 so he really set that up against you 07:45 and you can't speak in tongues, you're not part of the club, 07:48 you don't even look like normal boys, 07:50 you're not part of the club 07:52 and so you are really saying that I-- 07:54 I don't measure up anywhere. 07:56 Yeah, that's right. 07:58 But whether a lot of people don't realize 08:00 that first time we do a drug, we so fit in. 08:02 Oh, yeah. 08:03 Nobody, you know, 08:04 oddest of the oddest people, we're family. 08:07 Yeah, exactly. 08:08 That's what it was the lure of the devil's trick the drug, 08:12 there is false sense of sensuality 08:14 that comes with crank in meth the sexuality 08:16 is more of a lust, self lust 08:18 kind of a thing that comes on that made me feel, 08:21 I quoted the drug instead of women 08:22 and it fulfilled that desire 08:23 first in the beginning days of it-- 08:25 So you went over that pretty fast, 08:27 unfold that for us according the drug, 08:30 your relationship is now the drug not people-- 08:33 Not people, yeah, yeah, because it was-- 08:37 I would isolate I would take these drugs 08:39 and I would isolate and get away from people 08:40 and have adulterous images and-- 08:43 and so-- 08:44 So online stuff. 08:45 Online stuff, magazines you know whatever and-- 08:50 which left me feeling more, less 08:52 worthy of having a real relationship 08:54 every weekend I did this 08:55 I was less capable of a healthy relationship. 08:57 But you know what I've got to say to you 08:59 is that I could just imagine 09:01 that a picture won't laugh at you. 09:02 Yeah, that's true. An image won't laugh at you. 09:04 I don't have to risk anything here 09:06 because I know that this image, 09:09 this chat room, this girl will not laugh at me. 09:12 Exactly-- I have control here. 09:14 Yeah, it's a very comforting place to be 09:17 in the beginning days you know, I felt-- 09:20 I felt find but the fruit of it led to despair 09:24 and getting further and further from anything good 09:26 I felt disgusting and horrible at the end of it 09:29 unless I was high and when I was high I wouldn't care, 09:32 you know, and so and that was at the very early days of-- 09:36 of using crank and I had a cycle of abuse 09:39 that would emerged through this 09:40 not being able to get back to God 09:41 when I came out of the crank there was a cycle of abuse 09:43 that appeared where I tried to go back 09:45 and repent and I got with my-- my grandparents 09:48 who were Pentecostal pastors, preachers 09:51 again I hit same roadblock 09:53 of not speaking an ecstatic adherences 09:56 and I was pulled out of the circle of crank users 10:00 I was in at that time, just in time 10:02 because a month later after I moved away 10:03 the whole ring that I hung with was-- 10:05 was taking down by the FBI. 10:07 All the people I knew were arrested or served in that. 10:10 And so I see God's movement 10:12 but as I moved back to Idaho and I-- 10:14 You know, I just say-- you know it's crazy 10:16 because what you said you know even 10:18 when I tried to come back I couldn't do the tongues 10:21 so then therefore my-- 10:23 my even my motives are questionable 10:25 and so now I just went back to whatever. 10:28 Yeah, I drift away so I knew some of it was true. 10:30 I knew that God loved me, 10:32 I knew the Holy Spirit was working on my mind, 10:33 He's was giving me the dreams that were prophetic 10:35 but I just drift away. 10:36 When I realized I hit this roadblock 10:38 and now I looking back I see the Holy Spirit was working 10:41 so strong in me right then and that was just shortcut it 10:45 by the doctrine of you've got to speak in tongues. 10:48 Or it's not real. Or else it's not real. 10:50 And being able to say is that one of the things 10:53 I know about Methamphetamine are crank 10:56 is that it makes you crazy. 10:58 Yeah, yeah. You know, and so there is-- 11:00 not only you know, when we talked about temperance 11:02 and part of the disease right in drinking water 11:05 and all that kind of stuff 11:06 when you're in the middle of using the meth, 11:08 you're not drinking anything water for sure. 11:09 Right. 11:10 You know so you're dehydrated, you're malnourished, 11:14 I mean all of that kind of stuff 11:15 and on top of that you're staying up 11:17 for days and days and days and so you can get-- 11:20 you can get so crazy that nothing make sense. 11:24 And at that point, and at that point 11:27 you've got the devil himself just appear talking, 11:30 you know, it is not and when people say 11:33 because I've heard people say, you know, 11:34 I don't think they are demons, 11:35 I don't think that the devil is real. 11:37 And I'm like you know take crank for about a week. 11:39 Yeah, yeah, because you'll find them. 11:41 Yeah, that's exactly right. 11:42 That's what I found was fasting and prayers 11:44 what I was doing when I was on this meth 11:46 I wouldn't have time to stop for by to eat at all 11:49 and I've learned that I need to go 11:50 down to drink water at least so my muscles don't cram up 11:53 and even pouring the cup of water 11:54 I'd forget to drink it or leave it somewhere 11:56 and it was just a chore and as my body 12:00 became empty of fluids they were good 12:02 and my land became a swamp land inside 12:04 and I was concentrating on adultery 12:06 there was this spirit that came around 12:08 and when I didn't believe in God I just thought 12:11 oh, there is aliens, oh, there is people watching me, 12:13 oh, you know this sort of thing but as I became-- 12:16 once I came back to meth and I was on 12:19 and I knew God existed then I realized 12:22 there was demons all around me 12:23 and they did exposed himself to me 12:25 and revealed themselves in miraculous ways 12:27 and their counterfeit miracles and horrible ways where I was-- 12:30 I was completely crazy in my mind. 12:33 I was jabbering on nonstop in three different persons 12:36 you know like shut up you both wrong kind of thing 12:38 and I had all sorts of craziness 12:39 going on in my mind. 12:41 And but the demons were all around me. 12:45 Once they knew I knew God existed you know. 12:47 I did-- I did a program on demonic eroticism. 12:50 Yeah. 12:51 Folks that have actually brought 12:53 in demonic presence or spirits 12:57 and God involved with them in the sexual way. 12:59 And so what's really-- what's interesting is 13:01 as people really look at that world 13:03 and start to acknowledge it and invite that in 13:06 is there's some very real things. 13:09 When you know, you talked about the demoniac in the Bible 13:11 and Jesus said He was filled with the 1,000 demons, 13:14 I think that we think somehow 13:16 that they're not playing with us anymore. 13:18 And when we allow ourselves to get really lost 13:22 is that we are inviting a world or presence into our lives 13:26 that will take us out, the goal is to take us out. 13:28 Right. That's what I had found. 13:32 When I was first visited by the demons 13:34 I'd overdosed on a substance called bath salts. 13:36 I've been sober for years-- 13:38 Talk about what that is, because that legal. 13:40 Yeah, it was legal for a short time. 13:43 It's a designer drug, designed to circumvent the meth loss. 13:47 It's a derivative of an amphetamine. 13:50 It produces a similar high but not the exact same. 13:52 I found it more uncomfortable and jingly. 13:54 I couldn't form sentences. 13:56 But you could buy it over the counter. 13:58 You can go-- and I had the hardest time-- 14:00 Kids were buying it all over the country. 14:01 People were buying it all over the country. 14:03 They would literally killing themselves 14:05 and each other because of this. 14:07 It got crazy. People were becoming psychotic. 14:11 Yeah, it lead to a stranger high then meth 14:13 and I'd approved in my mind of doing meth. 14:16 And so I didn't find bath salt, 14:17 like I am not gonna bother with that. 14:19 I didn't know meth was and I could buy this. 14:21 So I kept doing this bath salts 14:24 and eventually there was one night 14:26 where I was taking the drug right out of the bag 14:29 and it spilled over on the ground 14:31 and I just sat there and I swept the ground up 14:33 until I'd taken all up, and I must have taken 14:35 in half a gram here real quick and I was already high. 14:37 And at that point it was later on during that night 14:39 when I was doing adulterous things-- 14:41 horrible disgusting things that happen when I am high, 14:44 that I started realizing there was things in my room. 14:47 I was seeing supernatural things 14:50 were going on and it was obvious. 14:52 And I had my camera on, I was recording all these things. 14:55 And I sent a thought out in my mind, 14:57 why are you pestering me, why are you pinching me 15:00 and the idea of silence of course comes form them. 15:04 But the idea is this is ours, we own this, 15:07 whatever you are doing right here this is our kingdom. 15:09 Yeah, this is our ground. 15:10 You are approving of this kingdom 15:11 and anything you do in our kingdom 15:13 we'll do whatever we want to you. 15:14 You are our slave now. 15:15 And that was a hard pill to take. 15:16 I thought, well, I had free will in God's kingdom, 15:18 I could do whatever I want but when you are doing stuff 15:20 that the devil has created it's his kingdom 15:25 and he will totally invade my life. 15:28 He invaded my life at that point. 15:31 Even when somebody says that I can invite the devil in 15:35 and then I am confused 15:36 that he's playing with my children. 15:38 You know, I have a porn addiction, 15:39 I am doing all that kind of stuff, 15:41 I am acting now, I am having an adulterous affair 15:43 with either men or women, 15:44 I am doing prescription drugs addictively 15:47 and then my kids started acting out 15:48 and I don't realize that I just invited 15:50 a lot into my home 15:52 and my home is gonna slowly fall apart because of that. 15:55 And I have to ask God, restore the ground 15:58 that I gave to the enemy 15:59 because I gave this ground to the enemy. 16:01 So thank you for saying that. 16:02 So now you are surrounded by demons, 16:04 literally hearing and seeing crazy stuff, 16:06 nobody would believe you. 16:07 Yeah. 16:08 Some of it is just psychotic, you know, 16:11 because of the drugs but you know enough of it 16:13 real that the devil can confuse you on that. 16:16 Exactly. 16:17 And that's the point he wanted to make 16:20 is to make me crazy. 16:21 If I lose my mind, that's great and I have no testimony. 16:24 If I seem crazy to other people that's great too. 16:27 And if you lose your mind enough, 16:28 you'll just kill yourself and that's great too. 16:30 And that's great too. So he was playing-- 16:33 but the Holy Spirit restored me to sanity, 16:35 my mom intervened. 16:36 Thank God for my mom. That night I tried to-- 16:38 Thanks, mom. Thank God for momma. 16:42 I know. 16:43 Mommas and grandmas, they never stop praying. 16:46 So I would just want to say, if you are out there 16:48 and you're praying for somebody you love, 16:50 listen up, don't stop 16:52 because they'll eventually hear you. 16:54 Yeah. 16:56 The night that, that happened 16:57 that I overdosed and I tried to repent-- 17:00 I kept going for a while 17:01 and I realized these thing aren't leaving, 17:02 they are all over the place. 17:04 And things I saw and things I didn't see. 17:08 And so I tried to repent. 17:09 I said, I am gonna throw this away, 17:10 I am gonna throw these magazines away 17:12 and I am gonna get right with God 17:13 and I started to repent 17:14 and as I started throwing away the magazine 17:15 I started looking at the covers and lusting after them 17:19 and did a whole lot more drugs. 17:20 And then I was on the run, I was on terror 17:22 because I just denied God, defy God, betrayed God. 17:25 I couldn't repent honestly again I felt. 17:27 And so I had no accountability and so I though, 17:30 oh, well, I'll just leave the house, 17:31 it's just the house that's possessed and my cats-- 17:34 I have four cats, I live alone, I love those cats. 17:36 And they are being harried and harassed 17:38 by these things too and I feel sorry for the cats. 17:40 I think if I get out of the house 17:42 maybe everything will calm down, 17:44 everything will be fine. 17:45 And as I drove away-- 17:46 You even know in your addiction, in your addiction 17:49 that I don't have enough control 17:51 even though I realize all of this craziness is there 17:53 I don't have enough control over this addiction to say, no. 17:58 I am enslaved. Yeah. 18:00 I wanted the lust involved with the drug 18:04 even more than I wanted to be free of the demons. 18:06 I didn't understand how permanent they were. 18:11 I though I could run from them somehow. 18:13 So now you're leaving the house and on the run. 18:14 So I left the house, I jump in the car 18:16 but the thing is now I realize that they are inside of me 18:19 or there's changes to my body. 18:21 When I swing things into the car 18:22 they swing in a funny angle, 18:23 there's heavy weights pulling on me, 18:25 there's noises that are amplified. 18:27 And I know all these can be just delusional 18:28 but they were real to me at that time 18:30 and it was messing with me real bad. 18:32 Driving the car and driving to town 18:33 and I am just acting insane, 18:35 there's static all around my body. 18:37 I feel like something clinching me around my throat 18:40 and I am wondering, how much power do that have, 18:42 can they choke me up? 18:43 And my fear was what they were working for, 18:46 they wanted me to be deathly afraid of them and they won. 18:49 As soon as I am afraid they were winning 18:50 because I am not thinking about God, 18:51 I am thinking about fear and them. 18:54 And I tried to wash the static off my car, 18:56 I tried to throw floor mat out 18:58 because I could feel it was super heavy. 19:00 I knew the demons were on this and that, 19:01 and it just made me look insane. 19:03 And I passed four police officers 19:05 on my short driving into town and back, 19:06 I realize the devil setting me up 19:08 for a really dumb fall here. 19:09 I am gonna go jail for-- 19:11 so I come back home and the shadows-- 19:13 as I pull up underneath street lights 19:15 they are getting dim and dark 19:16 and as I turn my head 19:17 the shadows are moving slowly behind. 19:19 They are not behaving normally and they are taunting me 19:23 and I'm just in utter panic. 19:24 And so I think I got to call someone 19:25 or call the pastor or call my mom. 19:27 I called my mom, that's who I call. 19:28 And I called her and I said, mom, 19:30 I am under attack by the devil, pray for me. 19:32 And she just started praying so powerfully 19:34 and I just started crying, you know, 19:35 because now I had an accountability partner. 19:37 Now I can repent to God because mom's asking for me 19:40 and it meant something this time. 19:42 And what's really incredible is I want-- 19:45 at that moment your mom started praying, 19:47 did you not feel something start to surround you? 19:51 Oh, yeah. Right away-- 19:52 Because now that becomes now of God. 19:53 Yeah. 19:55 Right then I just felt-- 19:56 as soon as I started crying I realized I was-- 19:58 I throw myself into the arms of God and He has mercy. 20:01 And I no longer I felt the heavy weights on my body, 20:04 I didn't feel the static clinging to my shirt anymore, 20:07 choking me out but the shadows were still all around 20:09 and I just duck my head down 20:11 and I was told don't look at them. 20:12 And I so duck my head down, and mom prayed 20:15 and I said, I got to sing 20:16 and I just started singing, my mom was on the phone. 20:19 I was singing all these gospels songs, 20:21 every gospel song I knew. 20:24 And it just totally kept my mind focused on God, 20:27 I kept my eyes down 20:29 and I made it through that night. 20:30 You know, Tracy Peterson helped me, 20:32 she was on the phone, my sister Heather helped me so much. 20:35 And Pastor Randy of course helped very much. 20:39 Yeah, he-- I said I'll call Pastor Randy, 20:41 he's smart, he knows what to do 20:42 and tell him what's going on. 20:44 I said, I can prove demons exist. 20:45 He said, Tracy, you don't want to do that. 20:47 Don't bother with that. 20:49 He said, I need you to-- 20:51 I think you ought to get into you know, 20:53 a drug treatment facility, this is a powerful addiction. 20:56 And I said, no, no, I've been changed because-- 20:57 and then I said, well, I just said that this guy knows 21:00 what he's talking about and he's a smart guy 21:02 and now I am gonna say no? 21:03 And so I agreed, okay, I'll go in. 21:05 And I did check myself 21:06 into the Walker Center through mom's help. 21:08 I couldn't have made it without her 21:10 help on purchasing-- So even-- 21:12 what's really interesting 21:13 is even in that incredibly crazy time 21:15 because I've seen people that have allowed themselves 21:18 to get to the point 21:19 where I think the devil could play with them 21:21 and we all think, not only we know 21:23 there's some delusional stuff 21:24 but we write it all off the delusion, 21:27 all off to drugs 21:28 when they are really being played with spiritually. 21:31 And so it's really tough 21:32 when you come out of all that craziness 21:34 when some other look at you and say, man, 21:36 I really think that some of this is demonic, 21:39 some of this is crazy. 21:41 Yeah, that's a huge part of it too-- 21:43 Because you are crawling on the floor, 21:45 you really got lost. 21:47 Yeah. 21:48 I was out there and to tell you the truth-- 21:50 in the Walker Center wonderful group of guys stayed there 21:52 for a month and the guys, 21:54 I told them my story and they were just baffled by it 21:57 and most of them-- the thing 21:58 that freak them out is that my cats. 21:59 When I was watching my cats 22:02 they were staring up and behind me, 22:03 that awful night that the demons were all around, 22:05 they staring up and behind me all the time 22:07 with this dreadful look in their face, 22:08 they were listening to things walking up 22:10 and down the hall like I was. 22:11 I could hear things moving up and down the hall 22:13 and I was chased out of my house 22:14 and we're in the backyard 22:16 and I could hear things running through the lawn. 22:18 And the cats were just looking all around like trying to-- 22:20 they were jump on these things. 22:22 The fact that the cats saw them kind of proved it 22:25 more to the guys than it do me too late. 22:27 I am like, oh, yeah, how come-- they didn't do any drug, 22:29 I mean surface yeah, 22:30 but there was actually really things in my house. 22:32 And other things to do with cats is 22:36 I picked up my cat Smoke one time, 22:37 he's never hissed to me 22:38 and I knew that he had a demon on him, 22:40 and he look at me an just hissed to me 22:42 and jumped out of my-- and then another cat 22:44 came one night and just starting yelling 22:46 and jumping up into the corners of the walls. 22:48 I mean, this is obviously biblical demonic stuff, 22:51 pigs flying off, ledges kind of stuff 22:53 where these cats were harassed 22:55 by these spirits as well as I was. 22:56 I would go to other people houses 22:58 and there will be none of these side effects. 23:00 So it wasn't my mental delusion, 23:02 my brain being sick 23:03 that cause these things, it was there-- 23:05 seriously it was entity out in there. 23:07 And there was a sense of hatred and hurt. 23:11 I feel things burning into my skin, poking, jamming. 23:14 So on top of that, just for more normal folks, 23:19 because on top of that when all of that happened 23:22 there is with drug addiction 23:25 and people that are really lost in that 23:26 they need to know that this is where you come-- 23:30 when you ask for help 23:31 this is what you're actually seeing 23:32 and experiencing. 23:34 And all of this craziness 23:35 and on top of that nothing healthy 23:38 about your body that you can even pull from. 23:40 And so when somebody gets a call from somebody lost like 23:43 that it's a huge deal. 23:45 And you were lucky like your momma said, 23:47 just pray, I want you to focus, 23:49 I want you to pray, we want to cover you. 23:51 And so now we're gonna go ahead and take a break 23:54 and we're gonna come back because I want to know 23:56 how you heard the voice of God and what was that like 24:00 and as the demons had to leave with that intervention is 24:04 that it had to be just amazing. 24:06 We're gonna come back in a few minutes 24:09 but if you are out there and you are struggling 24:11 and you are lost in this craziness 24:14 you got to pay attention 24:15 and if you love somebody that's lost 24:17 you're gonna not want to miss this next session. 24:19 We'll be right back. |
Revised 2015-01-08