Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Adam Schutte
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000120B
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues
00:03 related to addictive behavior. 00:05 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:06 may be too candid for younger children. 00:17 Welcome back. 00:19 You know at all of the things that we cover here 00:21 and all of the testimonies that we do here Adam, 00:26 this is probably one of the most intense 00:28 because I can just see exactly what got you to this moment 00:32 but now this guy is dead and what is the next thing, 00:35 I mean you knew he was dead before you drove away, did you? 00:39 No. 00:40 He passed away a couple days later. 00:44 I ended up getting arrested about it over it, 00:48 and just started this whole court process 00:53 and you know trying to figure out, 00:56 you know, what's gonna happen to me after that. 01:01 So you getting arrested for murder? 01:03 Yeah. 01:04 Okay. 01:05 He pass away, 01:07 they charge me with first degree murder. 01:12 You know there is cameras, 01:14 cameras and my story 01:15 was in the newspaper everyday locally. 01:19 Can I ask you, when you talked about remember that 01:22 where you said that part of you that split off 01:23 and went into a quiet place, were you just freaking out? 01:29 You know, could you still hide in that quiet place? 01:35 I'm not sure, that time was a big blur. 01:37 Okay. 01:38 It was a lot happening. 01:40 I don't know, if there was just me 01:42 being constantly inside of myself 01:45 and just not even being there, 01:47 but it was just a lot of stuff happening all at once. 01:52 You know, I was charged, 01:53 I was arrested all the people that I hurt, 01:59 you know at that time 02:00 I still didn't care about that aspect of it, 02:02 but there was a lot of people who that were just 02:06 you know destroyed on both ends of that. 02:11 I think of myself that was the first time 02:17 I kind of wanted to lean on God, 02:24 at the time I thought hit peer intensions, 02:25 it was just I was-- I wanted to get out of the trouble. 02:28 Right, I just-- 02:30 Yeah, I just didn't want to get in trouble, 02:32 and have to deal with the consequences of it. 02:33 I-- but on the surface 02:36 I thought I wanted to change my life. 02:39 But I didn't I just wanted to not be in trouble 02:41 for the things that I've done and I wanted to be-- 02:43 Because murder is a big sentence. 02:45 You know somebody calls 02:46 that you can get a toe tag sentence. 02:47 Well, you're not gonna get out into your dad 02:49 and your toe is tagged, 02:51 so you know some people are looking at even that, 02:55 and you knew that's was a part what you were looking at. 02:57 Yeah, and so I just-- 03:00 I was actually probably more trying to make a deal with God 03:03 to get me out of this situation. 03:04 And then I would change my life, 03:06 I wasn't actually wanting to change my life. 03:10 So what happened next? 03:12 So I'm going through the court process, 03:17 you know, I started attempting to go to church. 03:22 In jail? In jail. 03:24 I believe I had good intentions 03:27 but the core of it was just that 03:30 I wanted to not be in trouble. 03:31 But you know like, because I have to say 03:33 that a lot of people I mean, I'm well aware 03:37 of what the environment is like in jail 03:40 because you have whole culture in jail 03:42 and that violence carries over from the streets 03:45 right into the cell. 03:46 So even stepping into that culture 03:49 you really have to watch your back 03:50 and you really have to know what your doing 03:53 in order to survive in that environment. 03:56 And yeah, it's a different environment, 03:59 you just have to survive, you have to become a animal. 04:04 You cannot be soft, you cannot have feelings, 04:09 to survive you have to just become an animal, 04:13 and with me also there was a lot of people 04:19 that wanted to come after me also in jail in prison. 04:24 Because of this particular murder? 04:25 Because of what I did. 04:26 Okay. 04:28 And so I also had a lot of people, 04:31 you know, I had a contract out of my life inside, 04:33 and so I had to watch out for that also. 04:37 Because you were not a nice guy prior to getting there? 04:39 No. 04:40 You know, that's what I think a lot of you know that to me, 04:43 I heard along your journey 04:45 is that I've heard a lot of people. 04:46 So now, I'm in a place where I can't run 04:49 and a lot of those peoples friends are saying, 04:52 you know what we got him, he's right here. 04:56 And you know throughout all that 05:01 even though I wasn't aware of it at that time 05:02 God was protecting me for something bigger. 05:07 I continued to go, 05:09 you know, through the entire trial, 05:12 I ended up the jury of founding 05:16 not guilty of first degree murder, 05:17 but found me guilty of voluntary manslaughter. 05:20 And so I was sentenced to 11 or 12 years in prison. 05:25 And so the next step of my life as I go in there 05:30 and as soon as that happened, as soon as I was sentenced 05:33 and had to actually go to prison, 05:34 I completely dropped over God's stuff 05:37 because like I said earlier my intentions 05:38 weren't to want to change my life, 05:41 I was just agreeing to change my life 05:44 if I didn't get in trouble. 05:45 And so once I got in trouble the deal was out the window 05:48 and I didn't cared anymore. 05:49 Yeah, I don't need You anymore. 05:50 And I really, I started to believe in God 05:55 and so when that happened I blamed Him also, 05:58 just because I always needed somebody to blame, 06:01 everybody except for my self. 06:04 And so I just blamed God and I actually started 06:08 to grow worse in prison. 06:12 I was still violent, 06:14 I just constantly was doing drugs, 06:19 but in there-- 06:20 I hate when you say that, but I know it's true 06:22 that you can get anything you want in most prisons. 06:25 Yeah, you can get anything you want in prisons, 06:28 there's-- is a sad fact of life. 06:33 So nothing has changed I just cant-- 06:35 I am stuck in this square. 06:39 Stuck in this square. 06:40 Just hating violent I just, you know, living the life, 06:45 I just became the complete monster. 06:50 You know, I got a letter from my mother asking 06:56 if she come visit me 06:58 and my situation with my mother 07:01 was the same as with everybody else. 07:03 There is a point where she couldn't stand me 07:05 because she was just afraid of me 07:07 and I could care less about her. 07:11 But I agreed to let her come visit 07:13 and it was really awkward, 07:17 I guess I can sum it up by saying 07:19 when she left I got up instead of hugging my mother goodbye, 07:23 even though I was gonna be in prison 07:24 for 10 years I shook her hand. 07:27 That's how disconnected you guys were. 07:28 That's how disconnected we were, I shook her hand. 07:32 And but I just started allowing her to come, 07:37 there is this weird small seed planted in me. 07:39 I just want to cry for you and for her, yeah. 07:43 She wanted so much. The both of you. 07:48 I cry about still to this day. 07:50 I mean, I've given the guilt and everything over God 07:53 but I just feel so bad about everything 07:55 that I put her through. 07:56 So she continued to come visit? 07:58 Yeah. 08:00 You allowed it? I allowed it. 08:01 Eventually we started getting more cordial 08:03 and you know, and I started having-- 08:11 there's a lot of people that are in prison 08:12 that are lifers that cant get out 08:14 but they want to change-- they've changed their lives. 08:16 They just can't get out. 08:19 And so they saw something in me 08:21 and they were trying to give me, 08:22 you know, good advice, influence 08:23 even though I was a young 08:24 just knucklehead kid who didn't care. 08:26 But I would listen and they told me 08:30 they said the first thing that broke the ice 08:32 that I realize that there's something really wrong 08:34 with my thinking as they go 08:36 why did you shake your mom's hand when she left? 08:39 And that was really weird. 08:41 You didn't give her hug, you shook her hand 08:43 like it was business deal or something. 08:44 And I'm like, that isn't normal? 08:47 Isn't that normal? 08:49 No, that's not normal at all. 08:50 And I was like, really? 08:54 I mean, I didn't understand that. 08:57 So I just-- I don't know, 09:00 I just started to getting old-- 09:01 the whole life was just getting old 09:03 and I was running out of options. 09:06 And so I just slowly started listen 09:11 to the advice of these people that they're giving me 09:13 and they're like you know, try, 09:15 try even though you don't mean it 09:16 to just give your mom a hug. 09:20 Tell her that it's not her fault 09:21 that you are in here, 09:23 and I'm like I know it's not her fault. 09:25 I'm like well, she doesn't know that. 09:27 Yeah. 09:28 And I remember I told her that one time 09:30 and she just started bawling, I was like, 09:34 and I realized you really think 09:35 it's your fault that I'm in here. 09:38 You know, because my thinking was so messed up 09:39 and I didn't know how to associate with people 09:43 and I realized that 09:44 and that's when I started realizing 09:45 that everything I was doing 09:46 was really hurting everybody else to. 09:50 The real breaking moment where I just wanted to change 09:56 for the first real time ever was 09:59 when my 10-year-old brother came to visit me, 10:02 and this was just absolutely heartbreaking 10:04 because when he went to leave, 10:08 you know he's 10-years-old he didn't do anything. 10:13 I complained everybody else 10:14 but I cannot find a reason to blame him. 10:17 So you know, he looked at me and he just started crying. 10:23 And I said you want me to come with you honey? 10:24 He said yeah. 10:28 He said, I can't he started bawling, 10:31 and I'm never going back 10:32 just feeling the worst person in the world 10:34 because everybody else had hurt me 10:37 so I justified why they were hurt by me 10:41 but he never did anything to me accept love me. 10:47 That was the worst pain I've ever felt inside of me, 10:49 I just hated myself. 10:51 But for a-- 10:54 I still couldn't believe that I did that to him, 10:59 and so I just you know I wanted to change. 11:07 For the first time ever. 11:08 For the first time ever, 11:10 I wasn't a 100 percent into changing 11:12 but I wanted to for the first time, 11:15 I wanted to because I just felt horrible. 11:19 What an incredible, you know, I feel like at that point 11:23 all of heaven knows that a man, 11:25 we got-- we can now go in 11:29 and start to bring some health and love 11:31 and mending to this kid. 11:35 And for the first time ever you're open to it. 11:39 And so slowly they have like programs inside 11:46 where I would allow myself to go to like 11:47 different group therapy sessions 11:49 and just I had to completely 11:53 just build myself up from the ground up. 11:54 I had no idea how to associate or talk with people in general, 12:01 you know, I had no social skills. 12:02 And even though there was no social skills, 12:05 no foundation when you talk about like, 12:08 even when you told us 12:09 a little bit even about your story is, 12:11 there is no-- I don't think 12:14 you had anything to reach in and find. 12:17 You have to literally say that people around you, 12:20 what do I need? 12:21 What's my next step? 12:22 I did, I just I told them I said, 12:23 I don't know how to be-- I don't know what to do? 12:27 I don't know how to talk to people, 12:28 I don't know how to associate 12:30 my reaction to everything is getting mad no matter what, 12:37 I don't know what to do. 12:38 And so it was a slow process 12:42 and at this time I had nothing to do with even God's still yet 12:45 it was just pure psychological help 12:47 and so I started to going to this programs 12:49 and I actually got into these programs 12:53 where like a school schedule, 12:55 I would just go to therapy classes all day 12:57 and they would work on certain parts of what to help me of. 13:00 Challenging your thinking. 13:01 Challenging me or just helping me 13:04 and it was different aspects of psychology, 13:06 different aspects of just being a social with people, 13:09 different aspects of adequate morality whatever in-- 13:14 I would go just like a school schedule all day 13:17 and I would just live in this program 13:18 and do that all day for about two years 13:23 and then overall I did about six years 13:29 of just constant almost 24/7 therapy for six years, 13:36 before I got to the point 13:37 where I was ready to actually start 13:41 and accept what I have done 13:45 and start dealings with problems. 13:48 But I had to learn how to be a person first 13:51 before I could learn how to help, 13:54 what had been broken inside of me. 13:56 And even that you know, I love when you say that, Adam, 13:58 because you said you know like I had to learn, 14:01 you had to be human 14:02 before I could learn that man, I'm sorry. 14:05 Yeah. 14:06 You know, what I said was not okay. 14:09 What emotions were and how to deal with them. 14:15 So six or seven years in I got to the point were 14:22 I was ready to really work on myself, 14:26 I was ready to really getting myself over to God 14:29 and keep in mind this whole time, 14:30 I'm still doing lots of drugs. 14:31 I'm just-- you know I didn't know 14:33 how to do anything, I'm still just high 24/7 14:37 because I'm not ready to just be alone with myself. 14:41 And I actually got invited to this class at church chapel 14:49 called Celebrate Recovery. 14:51 I had known nothing about it, I never heard about it, 14:55 I don't even know who signed me up and invited me 14:58 but I went for some reason. 15:00 And I loved it. I loved the people. 15:03 I loved the honesty. 15:05 It wasn't fake, you know, 15:09 and they were able to say that the reason 15:13 that they've changed is God. 15:15 You know as opposed to, you know higher power. 15:19 I'm not putting that down and so wonderful thing, 15:22 but we were able to openly say 15:24 God is the reason I'm not doing drugs everyday, 15:28 and He is the only reason. 15:31 He is the only reason that I changed my life, 15:32 He is the only reason that my family loves again, 15:36 you know, and I'm saying the same thing now today. 15:39 And so at point we talked about 15:41 even at the beginning of the program 15:43 optimism or hope or faith, 15:45 you know you started to have faith 15:48 that there is a God bigger than this 15:49 that can actually pull me out of this craziness. 15:52 Yeah, well, I looked at it 15:54 and like some people were given me the story. 15:57 Well, yeah, you can go to church 15:58 but you're still human, you're gonna sin. 16:00 And I'm thinking, well, that gives the-- 16:03 that gives the devil more power than God. 16:06 And at this point I did believe in God 16:07 and I'm thinking no God has more power than the devil. 16:10 So He does have the power to change you. 16:13 And that's what I was thinking its-- 16:16 if people are taught that even though you want to change 16:21 you are still not going to because you're still 16:23 just human, you're still gonna sin, 16:25 than you are taking a lot of power away from God 16:27 and you are saying that the devil 16:28 actually is more powerful than Him in that aspect. 16:32 And I don't believe he is. 16:33 And I love that, because you are talking 16:35 about from a gangster for somebody on the street, 16:38 somebody that powers stuff is important, 16:40 that balance of powers are important. 16:43 And you're saying that you kidding me 16:44 you want me step over and give my life 16:46 to the somebody that can't do it. 16:50 And what I really believe, I love what you said 16:53 'cause I believe that as God can do it. 16:55 The balance of the powers not even, 16:57 it's not even close. 16:58 The devil may scare us or lie to us 17:00 and say he has more powers 17:01 but its all bravado its not true. 17:04 And a lot of people are taught that, 17:05 I think its sad but you know that's, 17:09 I think that's the activating power, 17:11 especially even if its just not even 17:13 from a religious stand point, 17:14 just a psychological stand point, 17:16 if you don't believe something's possible 17:18 then you'll never gonna accomplish it. 17:19 Exactly. 17:20 If you believe that it can be accomplished, 17:22 you know, even though they are naysayer's 17:24 and people saying, you know, saying you can't do it. 17:26 If you believe it you can still do it 17:28 then you're gonna do it. 17:30 And you had to believe it. 17:32 And if you're gonna have somebody like you, 17:35 if you're gonna change in my life you got to be for real. 17:37 Yeah. 17:38 Cause this is serious talk. 17:39 Yeah, I had some pretty major problems defect 17:42 so I wasn't gonna be anything less than a supernatural force. 17:48 You know, God himself coming down 17:49 and doing a miracle to change me. 17:51 That's incredible. 17:53 And so you know what I mean is, 17:54 He was-- if you're just talking about, 17:57 you know, telling a it why 18:00 and everyone else doing something 18:02 and stuff like that and you can excuse the fact 18:04 that you're just human you're gonna sin 18:06 but I had a different level of stuff 18:10 that needed to be fixed 18:11 in that explanation didn't work for that. 18:14 I needed something that was really gonna change me. 18:17 Miraculously. Miraculously. 18:19 I need a miracle. 18:21 And so I knew, you know, logically that 18:27 God has to be more powerful then the devil 18:29 so if He can change me then He can. 18:33 And so you surrendered? 18:35 Thing is so I surrendered. 18:38 That's powerful. 18:39 Yeah, but I had to realize that first, 18:43 I had to realize that He could do that 18:45 just by everything else, 18:46 before I was gonna take that step 18:48 and I did and I just-- I stopped doing drugs 18:54 and 2006 October 18th is when I stopped. 18:59 In prison? 19:01 In prison, and I stopped doing that. 19:07 I just-- I started going to church. 19:10 I really gave it a chance. 19:11 So you know what I want to know, Adam, 19:14 when is the first time you actually felt joy 19:16 for the first time? 19:18 Because how cool is that? 19:25 Probably about after I really decided to change my life 19:28 about six or eight months later, 19:34 when my mom and I could see it in her eyes 19:37 she realized I was really changing 19:41 and she's my mom so she's always been proud of me, 19:43 but I could just see that she knew 19:48 that I was actually changing 19:51 and the joy that brought her to know that made me 19:55 for the first time ever just really, 19:59 just be really happy about what was going on 20:01 and just be able to just say I like my life right now. 20:06 And you go back to the time, 20:08 and I don't know if we actually go back to the time 20:09 but to the time as a little boy, 20:11 that's what you very want to have this family 20:14 that was right, that felt love and joy and happiness 20:18 and for even years later after all of that drama, 20:21 all of that stuff in prison for that moment, you got it. 20:26 Because of God, how cool is that? 20:31 And it was just the best feeling in the world. 20:35 After that I started just, 20:39 you know, reevaluating everything. 20:41 Why can't I go to college? 20:43 And you know so I enrolled in college, 20:45 I'm still trying to go, I've already-- 20:48 I've gotten associates degree in psychology. 20:52 Just why can't I just completely change my life, 20:54 every aspect of it and just start over 20:56 and that's what I did? 20:57 So even in when you said you fragmented 21:00 and you created these personalities 21:02 how did God kind of bring that back together? 21:08 See that's a weird one, that one's just a miracle 21:10 because I don't know the exact moment 21:13 that He healed me of that, 21:17 but I remember waking up one day 21:20 and thinking back in the past six months, 21:22 I'm thinking well, that hasn't been there. 21:26 I don't know when it actually left 21:27 but I'm really thinking back 21:28 and thinking that's not there anymore. 21:31 Amen. 21:33 And you know and especially that 21:38 there's nothing that I can take. 21:39 There's no amount of psychological help 21:41 that can take that away. 21:42 You can manage it but there's nothing 21:45 that just gonna take it away and we were just thinking, 21:49 you know that's a miracle that's what-- 21:50 I want to say, you know, and then you got out of jail, 21:54 to another thing that's a miracle after how long? 21:56 After 10 years. 21:58 So 10 years you get out of jail, readjusting to, 22:01 you know, before we go in there, 22:02 I know that a few people in the cafe 22:04 have questions they want to ask. 22:06 I think we need another hour with just you and I 22:09 but we're gonna open it up to the cafe, 22:12 I know Pastor Jim, you are here visiting us, 22:15 do you have a question for him? 22:17 Comment? 22:18 Adam, I have a question. 22:21 Just a minute ago, Cheri was asking about 22:23 the first time that you recall feeling joy, 22:27 and it may be think about something I've read 22:30 in some of the literature that sociologist study 22:34 a lot about human connection Brene Brown, 22:36 and she says that joy is probably 22:39 the most vulnerable of all human emotions. 22:43 And that often times people that experience joy 22:48 sometimes will triggered back 22:49 into old behaviors or patterns of living. 22:53 Have you been able to experience joy 22:55 and continue to walk in joy? 23:00 I think to continuing is I've also, 23:05 you know, I started teaching Bible study classes. 23:10 I started telling my story 23:12 and when I can see that people relate 23:14 and when I see that I'm helping lead people 23:17 to the Lord helping them understand the Bible better, 23:21 you know, or just having them relate to a store 23:23 that they think nobody else ever would 23:26 because they have the same story as me 23:28 and you know you just think nobody lives that type of life. 23:35 I feel content and my whole life 23:38 I never really felt joy, I never really felt content 23:42 and even though yeah, it's a vulnerable 23:45 I just, I love it. 23:48 I've never felt that before and it's a good feeling 23:51 and I've never felt good feelings before 23:52 so I wouldn't trade that for anything else. 23:55 And so if I ever feel like 23:57 we're reverting back to my old life, 23:59 I just its-- it was so bad 24:02 it's almost like a no brainier. 24:03 It's so bad I'm not gonna go back to that pain. 24:06 I'm just gonna stay here and be content, follow God 24:08 and have Him just continue to bless my life 24:11 and have me be happy 24:12 because this is all I've ever wanted. 24:14 You know, I have to say that Adam, 24:16 in most 12 steps programs they will say, 24:19 step 12 is you go out and tell someone 24:21 and you share your story and you be able to do that 24:24 and part of that we'll keep you in recovery. 24:26 Say and like you said as every time 24:28 all of this stuff that even if the enemy, 24:31 the devil meant to destroy you, 24:34 God is using it to build up someone with 24:36 and there is something that's really incredible about that, 24:39 that you know all things work together for good 24:42 to those who love God. 24:43 How can your story work together for good, 24:45 yeah you see it in front of you all the time now? 24:50 It's like you said, 24:51 it's what the devil use to hold me down, 24:55 what he used to hold, 24:56 you know, for me to think about 24:57 and just be shameful and just disgust it on myself. 25:02 What used to be my worst enemy 25:04 you know inside myself as my old past and all that 25:06 I now use as a weapon against him. 25:09 Amen. 25:10 So the exact same thing 25:11 he was using us as a weapon against me, 25:13 I take it and I say oh yeah, 25:15 well, now I'm gonna share my story 25:17 and I'm gonna use the exact same thing against you. 25:19 And I'm gonna watch God bless it. 25:21 That's so cool, 25:23 we have a Barnie and you had a question. 25:27 My question is kind of similar to his. 25:29 Just tell now when you come across situations 25:33 that make you angry, 25:35 how do you deal with anger now? 25:38 I don't want to say it's not easy, 25:40 it's a lot of hard work, 25:41 you know, you got to get up every day, 25:43 you got to pray, you got to read the Bible, 25:46 you got to stay connected to the Spirit. 25:50 You got to have the spiritual protection 25:53 as opposed to, you know, 25:54 you can want to do it, you know, be changed 26:00 and not go back 26:01 but you're still every once in a while 26:02 you're gonna have the temptation to do it. 26:03 So you need something else with you 26:05 and that's gonna over power your own short comings 26:08 and that's what God does for me. 26:10 And so you have to just get up 26:12 and make sure you pray listen to Him, 26:15 read the Bible everyday and just go out there 26:18 and know that you're not out there alone, 26:20 and don't be scared to asking Him for help 26:23 when you need it. 26:25 That's incredible, 26:26 because for years and years and years in your life 26:30 you never asked anybody for help. 26:32 You know you gonna do it on your own. 26:33 And so the fact that God says I'd like you to summit to Me, 26:37 I'd like you to surrender to Me, 26:39 and let Me help you, 26:40 that's a huge step just that in your recovery. 26:45 I just, I'm so proud of you, I just have to say that. 26:48 Okay one more question Brad, you had a question. 26:51 I do, and I just want to first say 26:53 thank you sharing your story 26:54 because I believe lots of men probably women too, 26:58 but I'll speak for the men 27:00 that at least the ones that I know deal with anger, 27:02 may be not to the level that you experienced it, 27:05 but I can speak personally and certainly an issue 27:08 that I've dealt with, Cheri, knows all to well 27:11 and she calls me puffer fish sometimes, 27:15 you know but that for been able to speak at that 27:18 and put on a table tremendous, 27:19 I want to ask a different kind of question, 27:22 because I was commenting earlier about dude, 27:24 you'd never think that this was part of your past 27:26 by how you look now. 27:28 And so I just have would like to know, 27:31 how's your mom feeling now? 27:32 How's your 10-year-old brother-- 27:33 well he's not 10 anymore but you know, 27:36 what's that like for you to have been this place now, 27:38 and I'm sure it brings a joy to them 27:40 to see what has happened? 27:41 It's awesome. 27:42 They-- because everybody 27:44 in my family has changed also. 27:47 We all kind of when I started over 27:49 they started over also, 27:52 stepfather included everybody. 27:54 We're all just-- you know, 27:58 we make sure we tell each other 28:00 we love each other all the time. 28:02 We give each other hugs all the time. 28:03 We try to spend time with each other. 28:06 It's just one of my favorite things to do 28:12 is just to sit and talk with my family. 28:14 I just laugh and just spend time with them. 28:17 I love them to death. 28:19 I love laughing with my little brother, 28:20 I love laughing with my dad, I love laughing with mom 28:23 and just you know, just spending time with them. 28:26 It just really brings a smile on my face, 28:30 even just thinking about it right now 28:32 just being with them, I love them all so much. 28:35 And you don't take that for granted? 28:37 No. 28:38 What's really incredible-- 28:40 Because I know it is important. 28:41 Yeah. 28:42 I've had the opposite, I've had, you know, no family 28:47 and so I just cherish every moment with them 28:50 and I just love them to death. 28:52 Amen. 28:53 We're gonna take a break and then come back 28:55 and do a close and I'd like you to come back, 28:58 and I'm gonna ask you two things, 29:00 I'm gonna ask you to speak to the family 29:03 that is watching their loved one 29:04 that so lost in their hatred and in their anger 29:07 and spinning out of control and maybe even in prison, 29:09 and them I'm asking you to speak to that guy 29:13 that doesn't know on how to come out of that. 29:16 Okay, would you join me? Yeah. 29:18 Okay, we'll be right back. 29:20 Are you proud of God? I'm so proud of God. 29:23 There's nothing as too big for me. 29:25 Nothing I can go into this the most hopeless situations 29:29 and breathe life into that, bring joy to that, 29:32 bring hope optimism and help, to that. 29:35 All you have to do is give me anything 29:38 and I will bless you. 29:39 Just make the first step even if it's a baby step. 29:42 We will be right back. |
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