Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Aaron Bekkela
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR000130B
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues
00:03 related to addictive behaviour. 00:05 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:06 may be too candid for younger children. 00:15 You know, even when I tell that story 00:16 about Michel and the strip club owner 00:18 and my sister, 00:19 I could remember that moment of rage 00:22 and there's a part in me that says, 00:24 "Man, I'm glad it came up 00:25 because I didn't know it was there 00:27 and it allowed me to look at this guy and say, 00:30 you know what? I'm so sorry." 00:32 But it also allowed me to go to God and say, 00:34 "Man, I had no idea 00:36 that I had that much bitterness and anger 00:38 to a whole group of folks." 00:40 And repent of that 00:41 and God did some amazing healing. 00:43 It was absolutely amazing. 00:45 So if you get something that comes up, 00:46 don't get freaked out, just go to God. 00:48 But I wanted to say my next guest, Aaron, 00:52 and I can't ever pronounce your last name. 00:53 Bekkela. Bekkela. 00:56 And so I wanted... I love you. 00:58 But did Michael ever tell you that story? 01:00 He did. What did he say? 01:02 What was his perspective? 01:03 He... I think, probably similar to yours. 01:06 Just awkward, uncomfortable. 01:09 I think more than anything, he focused on the end result 01:13 and that it worked out really well. 01:15 I think it was his belief. 01:17 It was amazing to me at one point, 01:20 when he stopped and said, 01:23 "You know, I don't know 01:24 if any of the club owners said to you. 01:26 Please forgive me." 01:28 So I am on behalf of anyone that hurt you, 01:32 please forgive us. 01:33 And then that, you know, for God Himself 01:36 to help me to realize 01:38 that I needed to let go of that anger. 01:41 And it was just so powerful. 01:43 It was the entire studio, 01:44 you could see the healing in the entire studio 01:48 and him and I are friends to this day. 01:51 He went back and got his degree as a pastor 01:54 and is now working out there. 01:56 So I want... 01:57 Your story is a little bit different than his. 01:59 So tell us. 02:00 First of all, where did you come from? 02:03 What was your life like, growing up? 02:06 You know, growing up, it was... 02:08 For me I thought it was normal. 02:10 I grew up in a house, my mom was there all the time, 02:14 my dad was there sporadically. 02:16 But we had a house, I had shoes, 02:19 I had friends at school, what have you... 02:22 It wasn't until my adolescence when I realized, 02:25 maybe this isn't so normal. 02:28 At once I realized what dad was doing 02:29 and what the business was. 02:31 So talk about the business 02:33 'cause your family was very successful, owned...? 02:37 I don't even know how many. 02:38 I couldn't even tell you how many 02:40 because it would grow from one to the next, 02:41 someone gets old and such. 02:43 So, I mean, it just kind of evolved 02:45 or from one to the next. 02:48 So, you never numbered the strip clubs. 02:50 The business, family business 02:52 was dancers, bars, that kind of thing. 02:54 Right. He hadn't tell I ever knew. 02:56 That was from the time I was a little kid 02:58 until I understood what they were, 02:59 going through school and such. 03:03 So yeah, that was all I ever knew. 03:05 I remember the first time that I ever got any inclination 03:10 of what was going on was, 03:11 I went to work with dad one day. 03:14 And what it was, was he had bought a club 03:16 and we were painting. 03:18 So when I went in there, I don't know if I was 10 or 12 03:22 or how old I was but I remember going in there 03:24 and just thinking, that smell. 03:27 Just that... 03:28 The booze or the cigarettes or the perfume or whatever. 03:33 Just like really thick smell. 03:36 And even in the midst of painting, I mean, 03:38 your paint fumes there and stuff like that 03:40 but, I mean, it was just this really strong smell 03:42 and so as I aged and as I went on, 03:45 it was things like that where I realized, 03:47 probably not everybody knows that smell. 03:50 Right. And so anyway, yeah... 03:54 But I love what you're saying 03:56 'cause you said, "You know what? 03:57 As first, family wise, this was normal. 03:59 When you walked in my home, you would see a normal family. 04:02 Mom, dad... 04:04 On the surface for sure. Okay. 04:06 On the surface. 04:08 As again as I got older, 04:10 you know, lot of it was coming to 04:12 understanding that dad's not home. 04:14 He's gonna come home maybe once or twice a week. 04:17 It was very difficult for my mom. 04:20 As things went along, I originally, I thought, 04:23 "Man, mom, why don't you just, 04:25 I mean, everybody gets a divorce. 04:26 Let's get a divorce or whatever, you know." 04:28 And my perception of my mother from my adolescence 04:31 to where I'm at now, now it's like, 04:33 "Oh, my. What an amazing person. 04:35 Adorable and stayed there for the rest of us, you know. 04:39 And then they did ultimately get a divorce 04:42 but it was just a real range of emotions 04:45 going like through the high school years 04:46 and stuff like that. 04:48 Did you ever feel shame? Absolutely. 04:50 Okay, 'cause for me growing up, 04:51 I had that sense of shame all the time. 04:53 When did that happen for you and what was it like? 04:55 I think as I gained an awareness 04:57 of what the business was and what was going on and, 05:01 you know, for my guy friends, unfortunately, in our culture, 05:04 it was pretty much cool. 05:07 But I remember that sense of embarrassment 05:11 when you would meet somebody 05:12 or sometimes very active in sports. 05:13 So, you know, 05:15 I would get exposed to a lot of people 05:16 and so, "What do your parents do?" 05:18 Um, what do my parents, 05:20 you know, and so I would just say, 05:22 "Oh, my dad owns a bar." 05:23 And hopefully they would leave it at that 05:25 and not dig any deeper. 05:27 And... but yeah, once I never realized 05:30 that there was guilt and shame, even then 05:32 but, oh, yeah, absolutely, for sure. 05:34 Always hiding. 05:36 So do you know at one point, 05:37 so you're successful in school in the sports. 05:41 The club and your academics kind of weren't mixing, 05:47 you were able to do both. 05:48 At one point, you started working in the clubs 05:51 and so what was that like? 05:53 You know, I worked with dad a little bit 05:56 and then there was also my brothers 05:57 as you mentioned Michael, 05:58 there was two other brothers as well. 06:00 So, I mean, it was just kind of tangled and everything 06:04 or pretty evident, they're outdoors 06:05 and did a lot of hunting and such, 06:07 so that was just part of the conversation, 06:10 you know, and main part of what we did. 06:12 So, I mean, it was... 06:13 Even if you weren't in the club 06:14 or actually working there, 06:16 there was still an awareness maybe, 06:18 would be the way to put it. 06:19 So as far as me actually starting to work, 06:23 I had decided to go a different road 06:25 and spend a short time as a police officer. 06:28 No way. And, yeah. 06:29 And it wasn't very long 06:31 but went through a few critical incidents 06:34 and I did find I performed well or whatever 06:37 but it really made me look as this is what I wanna do. 06:40 Well, then I have my father and my brothers sitting, 06:42 waiting the whole time like to essentially reel me in. 06:47 And what a lot of people don't understand 06:49 and though didn't understand that on any level, 06:52 when I found Christ either, is the money involved in clubs. 06:58 The money involved in drugs, the money involved in dance, 07:01 you know, and the sex trade industry 07:02 or in that kind of adult entertainment stuff 07:05 is off the chart. 07:07 It can be. 07:08 It comes and goes 07:10 but the overall average certainly is well above 07:12 what it should be for the job that's done, 07:14 that's for sure. 07:16 So, yeah, once I... 07:19 My brothers and my dad kinda stepped in, 07:20 "Hey, you wanna, you just come work with us 07:22 when I, you know, whatever." 07:23 And unfortunately, I made the choice 07:25 to go ahead and do that 07:26 and made the decision to transfer then, 07:28 so that would have been roughly... 07:31 Oh, mid twenties was when I... 07:33 So mid twenties. 07:34 And then if this is too personal, 07:36 you could just tell me but for that kind of exposure, 07:41 anything... I mean, did you get lost in anything, 07:44 sexual addictions, any that stuff 07:47 because, you know, 07:49 and so visually the things that you're seeing 07:51 is not typically what a teenager 07:55 or early twenties tends to see. 07:57 You know, I think I became pretty desensitized 08:00 to a lot of things. 08:01 I don't think I had any addiction issues, 08:03 any sexual addictions or any drugs. 08:08 I never really done any drugs or anything like that. 08:11 However, alcohol, was where I found, 08:14 would it be my giochi, would be my escape, 08:16 would be my... 08:18 And I wasn't so much with everybody else. 08:19 It was just by myself. 08:21 And that was something I carried with me 08:24 for the entire time I was there. 08:27 I could imagine 08:28 that you would be very fair in your job. 08:32 I think that when you came in 08:34 and now start working for the club, 08:36 you're the manager there now. 08:39 Just ran it like a business? Yeah, for sure. 08:42 You know, and again I think part of our culture, 08:44 that's part of it. 08:45 The perception is that of a, you know, 08:48 the city individual or this whatever, you know, 08:50 and that's not the way it is today. 08:52 Today it's, you know, 08:53 one of the biggest perpetrators 08:55 has his Masters degree in business, you know, 08:57 and, I mean, it's a suit and tie 08:59 or it's a regular guy, so to speak. 09:03 And yeah, I think, I fit that more pretty well. 09:05 I think I was very disarming to a lot of other people 09:07 that came in, you know, 09:09 and it's funny you mentioned that I had a... 09:11 I had a, over social media, 09:14 a message I came through 09:15 and it was one of the girls, saying, 09:17 "Why have I never apologized." 09:19 And so, of course, I sent it back, you know, 09:21 and I'd let her know through this whole process, 09:25 that's almost like the umbrella over all of it is, 09:28 "Yeah, I'm sorry." 09:29 Anyone's life that you effected and then it was negative, 09:31 I mean, you know, as you look back on everything 09:34 it becomes very clear. 09:35 So... It's a whole different thing. 09:37 But I love what you're saying, is that at one point, 09:40 people could say this is a city thing 09:42 and these are kind of really characters 09:44 that are kind of almost carnival workers 09:47 and druggists or whatever 09:50 but now they said, it is not true, 09:52 this is a business, ran like a business, 09:55 there is a lot of money in it. 09:57 And so, what you're saying is times have changed. 10:00 Even the girls that are seduced or drawn into the business 10:04 are drawn into different reasons 10:06 and they did maybe 30 years ago. 10:09 Oh, I think again not to keep beating in, 10:11 but our culture is changed, you know. 10:13 30 years ago, if you received 10:14 one of these lingerie magazines in that... 10:17 Male, people would have freaked out. 10:20 Well, now it is just like a, just going through the... 10:22 You know, I mean, it's common place. 10:24 So, yeah, I think they're very desensitized to it. 10:26 It's more accepted. So... 10:30 So you're working in the clubs. 10:34 At one point, you're questioning all that. 10:39 How did that come about? 10:41 Michael. Yeah. 10:42 Well, Michael would have been, maybe the symbolic point 10:46 but again my mother. 10:48 I think that whole time 10:50 she herself kind of transitioned 10:52 to a spiritual place when the problems were... 10:56 'Cause it reached a point while I was in high school, 10:59 where I would come home 11:00 and my mother would be crying or, 11:01 you know, and so that would be part of the... 11:03 She's like, I can't do this anymore. 11:04 Right, and I almost wondered if she was waiting 11:07 until I was out of high school, you know what I mean, 11:08 like what it was and maybe my dad for that matter too. 11:12 But it anyway... 11:14 She was always there, 11:15 always kinda had that nurturing nature to her. 11:18 Just a helping personality, you know. 11:21 So there was always that there but, yeah, Michael. 11:24 When we were up hunting and we're sitting there 11:28 and he is like, "So I got to ask you something. 11:29 I've never asked you do anything 11:31 but I'm asking you to do something." 11:32 And so at this point, 11:33 he's already going to school and everything 11:35 and so I'm sitting here thinking, "Oh, my..." 11:36 He's found Jesus. "What are you about to ask me?" 11:38 Right. 11:40 And so he just hands me a Bible and he says, 11:42 "Will you just read this book." 11:44 You know, and it was... 11:46 I always think back of Michael and I think, 11:48 "That was smart of you." 11:49 It's like, it's the number one selling book, it's ever, 11:51 you know, like kinda, trying to appeal to that, 11:54 the world beside of me 11:55 because that's kind of who I was. 11:57 "Okay, fine. 11:58 Michael, I'll read it," you know, 12:00 and I always joke with him. 12:01 I said, "Next time, 12:02 tell someone to start in the New Testament, 12:04 so that it's, maybe a little more relevant, 12:06 you're not getting stuck with the... 12:09 But he did anyway, he gave it to me 12:12 and I ultimately did read it. 12:14 You know, 'cause I can... 12:15 What's really interesting is I even think of, 12:17 I see your mom and your mom 12:19 looking at these beautiful boys and knowing that, 12:21 each one of her sons is going to be lost in an industry 12:26 that she can't even, 12:28 she can't even hold on to her husband 12:31 and now her sons are going there. 12:32 I could imagine that she panicked with that. 12:34 Oh, for sure. 12:36 And one of my sisters was also a waitress and bartender 12:38 for a while. 12:39 So, yeah, it was very difficult for her. 12:41 And so Michael comes out 12:42 and just some how he's got to reach you guys. 12:45 Yeah, and he just... 12:46 He was smart about it, 12:48 he just kinda periodically so, you know, did you read that, 12:51 you know, and so I did. 12:53 And... 12:55 You did, just opened up the book. 12:56 Yeah. Page one, started reading. 12:58 And it took me a while 13:00 but I did read it and it was... 13:02 I think at first it was just the history was... 13:05 I found it interesting. 13:07 If nothing else, 13:08 it was an interesting reading that 13:09 and I kept reading and kept... 13:11 The different stories I thought were interesting. 13:13 But for sure once I got... 13:15 I just gotta say. 13:16 And I'm trying to, I'm trying to let this just kind of 13:18 play out like it happened in your life. 13:22 But I just, I can't imagine what have indeed 13:25 when you were sitting there with a Bible 13:27 finding that interesting, 13:29 I think the angels rejoice it. 13:31 I think God himself or going like, "Come on." 13:34 You know what I mean is this, 13:35 what an amazing place for this man to be, 13:39 is that I'm in the Word of God. 13:41 It's not really... 13:43 Feels like it's not effecting me much 13:44 but I'm liking the stories. 13:46 Oh, yeah. 13:48 And, you know, I think that's the important part 13:50 as the Word of God, you know, 13:51 everything I had learned to that point 13:53 or been taught or... 13:56 It was certainly a very taboo subject 13:58 in my house with my dad's history and such... 14:01 Bible? 14:03 Yes, anything Christian was not welcome in our house. 14:07 So, and at this point in time 14:09 my dad is essentially dying with cancer. 14:13 So, yeah, I mean, it was... 14:15 The way everything played out, 14:17 you know, by the time I got to the gospels 14:19 and I was reading 'em, 14:21 I was pretty well hooked, you know, 14:22 and Stacy and I, we were transitioning, moving 14:28 and we received a flyer in the mail. 14:30 And it was one of the evangelistic series 14:33 or whatever. 14:34 I don't know if you know Hoyer. 14:36 Yes. Hoyer was doing it, gifted speaker. 14:38 Very cool man. 14:41 And so we talked about it... On prophecy. 14:42 Yes, and that was part... 14:45 When I was in the New Testament, 14:46 I'm reading about 14:48 and I'm trying to connect these dots 14:49 and having a hard time 14:50 and then being back in work and just, 14:54 I mean, it was just a really crazy time. 14:56 So but we get this flyer. 14:58 You know, I have just said because our whole season 15:01 is going through a book on Victory in Jesus 15:03 and how amazing grace is and Romans 2:4, when it says, 15:08 "Don't despise the kindness of God, 15:10 or the forbearance of God." 15:11 'Cause as He's literally taking you through the Bible 15:14 and you're working in a strip club. 15:17 He is saving your life and somebody, 15:19 if we go and like, God doesn't do that. 15:20 Oh, yes, He does. 15:22 You know, and you just have to say, 15:24 "God, how cool are you." 15:26 I mean, absolutely says, 15:27 "I'll be right where you're at." 15:29 Right, It gave me a whole new perspective. 15:31 Everything that I had been told or heard, 15:34 that's not at all what I'm reading. 15:36 You know, and so when that flyer came, I asked Stacy. 15:40 I said, "Well... 15:41 So, Stacy is your wife? Right. 15:43 Was a dancer in the club? Correct. 15:45 And what is she thinking, 15:48 even with you going through the Bible, 15:49 she must be going like, "What's up? 15:51 What are you doing?" 15:52 She had a time in her life, when she was younger 15:55 where that she would tell you, 15:56 were like her best years 15:58 when she was younger with a grandma 15:59 she was staying with 16:01 and they would go to Church and so for her, 16:04 she was really okay with it. 16:06 And so when we get that flyer, I asked her, 16:09 "So do you think we're gonna ignite 16:10 and then see it 16:12 or should we go or should we, you know, 16:13 'cause I really wanted to understand it better, 16:15 that was where I was at 16:16 and I wanted to connect those dots, you know. 16:19 Daniel in the Revelation and how does this all work and, 16:22 you know, so we ended up going. 16:24 And it was interesting. 16:28 I love what you said to me one time about 16:31 this part of your journey, is that walking in the church, 16:34 you were like trying to hide your face. 16:36 Oh, yeah. 16:37 Like, I don't want anyone to recognize me. 16:39 Well, yeah, and then I stopped and I thought, 16:41 I don't see on a regular basis 16:43 is gonna be in here and recognize me 16:45 but, yeah, for sure, I mean, 16:47 it's just like... 16:49 I just wanna understand and then I wanna leave, 16:51 you know, and so while we were in there, 16:54 is this tall pastor sees us and it is, you just like, 16:58 "Stop looking at me 16:59 'cause now you're gonna come talk to me, you know." 17:01 And so, yeah, 17:02 one of the pastors at the Church 17:04 that was putting on the series is Jim... 17:06 Jim Moon, 17:07 he is a really good friend of mine. 17:08 Yup, Jim Moon came over and from there 17:12 then I met the other pastor Roger, 17:14 and before I knew it... 17:16 So... Well, hold up. 17:17 'Cause I know what Jim asked you, 17:19 what did he ask you when he walked up to you. 17:20 Oh, the same thing. 17:22 It's just like when I was a kid. 17:23 So... Instead of, what do your parents do? 17:25 So what do you do for a living? 17:27 And I literally turned and said, 17:29 "Will you wanna sit down for a minute." 17:30 And so we sat down and chatted about it. 17:33 See, you didn't decide to hide from him. 17:37 No, no, I didn't, I just... 17:39 But a lot of it was how he approached me. 17:41 I mean, it wasn't this condescending, 17:43 you know, stiff necked like, 17:45 oh, well, thanks for coming, you know, not at all. 17:48 I have never seen him judge anyone. 17:49 No, no, he is... 17:51 He is perfect for that too, for me to meet, you know. 17:53 So in the church building, 17:55 going through a Revelation seminar, 17:57 finally being open with, 17:59 even your background and nobody ignited. 18:03 Nobody. No, no. 18:04 Do you know what I mean that it was all good. 18:06 Right, right, you know, 18:07 and then from there I met Roger, 18:08 who was also one of the pastor there 18:11 and before all was said and done, 18:16 the series ended and Hoyer 18:18 and I have stayed friends since then, 18:19 we've hunted together and such 18:22 but then he left and was going on, where... 18:25 I forget where he lived it the time. 18:27 He's a little bit, little bit everywhere 18:28 but then I met Roger and ended up, 18:32 starting doing Bible studies with Roger 18:34 while I was running the club. 18:35 Still running the club. Still running the club. 18:38 And the reason I wanna say that 18:39 'cause I think it's amazing to me is that the... 18:43 Man, I know people that seven, eight, ten years. 18:47 God walked with them in their journey 18:49 before they started letting go of 18:51 some of the darker stuff and God was so faithful. 18:54 And so to me, sometimes we wanna jump in and judge 18:57 but God says, do not. 18:59 You will hurt them, you know. 19:01 And that's not how any of them were, 19:03 all three of those men were perfect. 19:06 They met me where I was at every time 19:08 and there were times where it wasn't 19:10 such a nice place to meet me. 19:12 It was... 19:13 Because... 19:15 While I had my mind, then I... 19:17 Stacy and I talked about it, you know, 19:18 like what do you wanna do when you grow up. 19:20 Well, what do we wanna do with the rest of our life 19:22 because this is not what we wanna do. 19:25 So we literally just sat down 19:27 and decided, well, if we're gonna back to school 19:29 or what would we do and if... 19:30 You know, just like, kinda like, you know, 19:32 big piece of paper, what do we wanna do, you know. 19:35 And so I just... I decided that day... 19:37 Well, both of us decided 19:39 we want to go back to school. 19:41 And so I was gonna go back to school. 19:43 I applied for school and was accepted. 19:46 We needed to kind of sell the house on the hill 19:48 and scale things back. 19:50 Nice house. Yeah, it was a nice house. 19:53 But scaling things back anticipating this change 19:57 and then I wanted to be legally severed 19:59 from the bars and everything. 20:01 I didn't want to have anything to do with them anymore. 20:03 So applied for schools, accepted, 20:06 had the house for sale and was working 20:09 with one of the bigger sharks in the tank, 20:13 I don't know how else to put it 20:14 that owns clubs. 20:16 Just thinking about 20:17 buying your clubs out, buying it out. 20:18 Correct, correct. 20:20 And so everything was going great, you know, 20:22 had it on a path where... 20:24 This is what we're gonna do. 20:26 I just have to say 20:27 'cause I think I kind of met you before then 20:31 but I remember at one point, 20:32 sitting there and listening to you 20:34 and talking about people 20:35 buying and selling clubs and stuff. 20:37 And I remember looking at you and thinking, 20:39 "Wouldn't it be funny, 20:40 if God just flipped one of these 20:42 and one of the clubs become a church." 20:44 And I don't think that we ever, 20:45 it was just something that I thought, 20:46 "Wouldn't that be so like God." 20:49 But this guy is not gonna flip it, 20:52 he wants to actually keep this... 20:53 He's gonna write a check and it's done. 20:54 Yeah and a big check. 20:56 Yeah, for me at the time, that was perfect. 20:58 I can start school now and then just get the house, you know, 21:01 like that would be fine, you know. 21:04 And because part of it for me, much like with Michael, 21:07 I couldn't force my brothers. 21:09 I couldn't make them, 21:11 if this is what they choose to do, 21:12 that's what they choose to do. 21:13 Right. 21:15 So for me it was as much as I had, 21:17 the thought crossed my mind too but I can't, 21:20 I couldn't force that round pig in this world. 21:23 So yeah, everything was going good and right 21:26 up until the time when the guy that was gonna do, 21:28 decided he didn't want to do it anymore. 21:30 And so the deal, so to speak fell through 21:33 and I was accepted to school I believe in 2013 21:37 and I didn't go back and for a couple of years there 21:41 because it just threw everything in a tale spin. 21:45 And you are saying, "God, where are you?" 21:47 Very much so... Was quiet as... 21:50 You promised me. Right. 21:52 Well, for me and I don't know 21:54 how else to put it other than like, 21:56 that wasn't part of the deal. 21:58 I'm doing this and I'm that, now, you know, 22:00 I'm upholding my end of the deal, 22:02 where are you? 22:03 I'm walking away from everything. 22:04 Right. Where are you? Where are you in all this? 22:06 You know. 22:07 And I think, I kind of started 22:09 telling you about it. 22:10 I had a moment where 22:11 I'm not a very emotional person. 22:13 And I had woke up one morning 22:17 and I had just had it and I was... 22:19 I went and I sat down in the shower, 22:22 I turned the lights off and everything 22:23 and I was literally just breaking down. 22:27 And I was really letting God have it and just that. 22:31 I upheld my end of the deal, where are you? 22:32 And very colorfully letting Him know 22:35 that I wasn't impressed. 22:37 Right. And... 22:39 But as it continued, I remember 22:42 literally just throwing my hands out 22:43 and telling Him, you do it. 22:45 Little more colorfully than that 22:46 but literally those words, you do it. 22:48 So I got myself together and I got out of the shower 22:51 and I just went on with my morning 22:53 like I normally would and I went out, 22:54 I turned the computer on and there were three mails. 22:58 I don't remember what the other two were 23:01 but part of the conversation with God 23:04 was that I wanted Him to make it very obvious. 23:07 I mean, like... 23:08 The direction. Right. 23:09 Like what do you want me to do, where do you want me to go. 23:11 A big white board with bright letters, 23:13 so I don't get this wrong 23:14 'cause apparently I'm not doing this right. 23:16 And I found that was the problem. 23:19 I'm not doing this right. Absolutely. 23:21 And when I got out of the shower 23:23 and I told Him, you do it. 23:25 I came out, I... 23:26 Later, I gone on the computer, 23:27 I haven't talked to the college in like a year at that point. 23:30 And one of the three emails was from school. 23:33 Are you gonna come to school or not? 23:34 We can only hold your acceptance open so long. 23:37 And I remember just sitting back thinking, 23:39 "Well, it's not a white board and the bright letters 23:41 but it's black and white, I mean, it's... 23:43 It's pretty clear. 23:44 And what are the chances of that, you know, 23:46 because at that point of time I'm still acting like, 23:48 is this Steven, 23:49 I said, you know, what's going on here. 23:51 It's the hardest thing, Aaron, and I know that 23:52 like you're saying that, do the... 23:55 But the hardest thing is that we are not in control. 23:58 That we've tried to control it up 24:00 till this point and it got us exactly 24:01 where we're at and there's got to be a point 24:04 where we say to God, "Okay, I am done." 24:07 When so many says, "What is surrender look like? 24:09 What does it look like to finally say, 24:11 "The best of what I can do is not working. 24:14 You do it." 24:16 And then that was just too, you know, 24:18 and I think I started telling you 24:19 about my analogy 24:21 that I had in my head was that, 24:22 every morning I would walk out there 24:24 and God would be like 24:25 sitting at the table with a newspaper 24:26 and peer over and go, "Nope, not ready yet and keep going." 24:29 And I'm sitting here alone... He's not asking me a thing. 24:30 Wait a minute, I've done this and I've done, you know, 24:32 like all these things and it's not happening. 24:35 And after I read that email because that was it, 24:38 I wanted to go to school, we needed to get the house sold 24:41 and I needed to be legally separated from the business. 24:44 And so when I read that, 24:46 I remember sitting back and going, 24:47 "Well, that's one other thing, you know, 24:50 and me and all my boldness going, well, 24:52 we still have the house and we still have," you know. 24:54 So at that point in time 24:56 we had actually just listed the house again. 24:59 So we had people with... 25:01 This all occurred like say a Tuesday or Wednesday. 25:03 And you were at your new place and the other place was listed? 25:06 No, no, no. 25:08 We were still in our existing house 25:09 and so I have that email 25:12 and the shower on the same like Tuesday or Wednesday. 25:14 We listed the house, I believe it was on a Thursday 25:17 and people came to look at it Friday morning 25:20 and Saturday morning 25:21 and my realtor called me Saturday morning 25:23 and he said and I assumed you... 25:25 'Cause he still had to bring the fliers out 25:26 and stuff like that, 25:28 so I didn't think anything other. 25:29 We had listed it two summers previously 25:30 without a single offer. 25:32 So he calls me and says, "That's it, we're done." 25:35 A full price, just done. 25:38 And so now I'm really sitting there on road. 25:41 Okay, and so I called my brother 25:45 'cause, you know, being... 25:47 We weren't just in business together, 25:48 we were all friends, you know, 25:50 we still get along very well. 25:51 And so I called not Michael 25:52 but one of my other brothers, Rob, 25:54 and I told him, I'm like, you're not gonna leave this 25:56 because he knew the house had been listed 25:57 and hadn't sold 25:58 and he knew what I wanted to do and such, 26:00 so I told him and he was like, 26:02 "Oh, well, that's cool, you know." 26:04 He was like, "So what about the business, you know, 26:07 'cause you're serious about, 26:09 you wanna go back to school, you know." 26:10 Absolutely. 26:12 Well, yeah. 26:13 I told people if I could reach their phone 26:14 and smack him in the back of the head 26:16 and be like, "What part? 26:17 Don't you think I'm serious about, you know." 26:19 And he says why I've been thinking about something. 26:22 And I said, "Well, what's that?" 26:23 And he's like, "Well, what if he own part of the building." 26:27 He says, "What if I give you the building 26:30 and I know that's not enough, 26:31 so I'll like make some payments to you or what, 26:33 you know, but you'll be legally severed, you'd be at, 26:36 you know." 26:37 And I told, I said, "Right it on a napkin." 26:39 So, I mean, in like 10 days, I went from... 26:43 Fine, you do it, which I think was the key. 26:46 I think that was same going, okay, sit down, 26:48 now we can talk. 26:49 And even 'cause... 26:51 I think we all go to that place of surrender 26:53 but it's not a surrender in words only, 26:55 it was a surrender to the core of who you are. 26:58 I am screaming, cursing, I am angry at God 27:02 and when I said, "You do it." 27:04 It was literally, you do it. And so... 27:06 There is some colorful language for sure. 27:08 And even when some one says, you know, 27:10 I've said that before, saying, you surrender 27:13 and actually surrendering is two different things. 27:15 And so when I think God says, you know what? 27:17 If you're serious 27:20 and you've given me control of your life, 27:22 I'll show you the plan that I have. 27:26 And He started keep doing every way. 27:27 So, I mean, there I am in like 10 days. 27:30 I'm going back to school, the house is sold 27:34 and now I'm legally out of the business. 27:36 Well, you know what? And you know this is true. 27:40 When you and I talked, 27:41 I as a ministry and I tried to raise funds... 27:44 Oh, yeah. We talked about it. 27:45 To buy that club 'cause I thought, 27:47 "Man, I wanna turn it into a Church, 27:49 a media center to help people 27:51 and I talked to everybody I could 27:53 and that was not God's plan but what happened? 27:56 What was the plan? 27:57 Well, and that was just it, you know, one of the, 28:00 maybe unique stories or sub stories 28:02 or whatever to this was 28:04 while I was still in the business. 28:06 I had a... 28:07 I don't remember her name, 28:09 I don't remember really what she looks like, 28:10 I remember she had dark hair and was probably around 20. 28:13 But the way the club was laid out, 28:15 up in the front was where there is an office 28:17 and many times when there is a shift change, 28:19 we would do the paper work up there 28:20 and often the girls would come and sit up there 28:22 and wait for the ride or what have, you know. 28:24 So while I was sitting up there and she told me. 28:29 She says, "Aaron, can I ask you something?" 28:31 And it's... 28:32 I felt like this trick question like, 28:34 "Okay, what do you wanna ask," you know, and she's like, 28:35 "Well, actually, I just need to tell you some... 28:37 I promised my mom and she said me 28:39 and some of the or she said her 28:42 and some of her lady friends at the Church 28:44 have been praying for you." 28:46 And so I'm sitting there, "Oh, my. 28:48 Don't ask me to go to Church, 28:49 like where is this headed, 28:51 you know, like what's going on here, 28:52 you know, and she is like, 28:53 "No, I just promised her I would tell you that, 28:55 so I told you that." 28:56 And I said, "Tell your mom thank you." 28:58 I knew it was nice gesture or whatever 29:00 but at that point in my life it was like, 29:02 okay, yeah, that's great. 29:03 Will see you tomorrow morning. 29:04 Yeah, didn't mean anything to you. 29:06 Right, or so I thought. 29:07 You know, and then I remembered years later 29:09 and 'cause she mentioned the church by name 29:12 and so after, you and I have talked about that 29:15 and some of those different things, 29:17 it's a huge Church in the area 29:18 like a congregation of like 10,000 or 12,000 29:22 or something, I mean, it's a big church. 29:24 And so I went and I thought, Well, 29:26 I'll go talk to that pastor and let him know, 29:28 you know, hey, wanna your prayer groups 29:30 or what, you know, 29:32 just I don't know and so yeah, 29:34 one conversation led to the other or whatever 29:37 and after I approached him about it, 29:39 we started just kind of fishing around with it. 29:42 What unbeknownst to me at that point in time. 29:46 One of, like he's number two pastor there, 29:49 I'm not sure there's structure or whatever 29:50 but the lead pastor was Derin, I talked with him, 29:55 what unbeknownst to me 29:57 Rob and one of the other pastors, Mark, 30:00 were like this close to come or approaching us there 30:03 at the club to see if they could... 30:05 They wouldn't bother business 30:06 but they just wanted to come and pray in the parking lot. 30:10 And so when I went there and I talked to him 30:12 and then as things went on and progressed or whatever, 30:15 one step kind of led to the other 30:17 and before we knew, 30:19 we were kind of formulating a plan like 30:21 how could we do this, 30:22 you know, I, of course, had my grand scheme and idea 30:25 but, you know, 30:26 the long and short of it was it happened. 30:29 I love the fact 'cause you brought some pictures 30:31 of the whole transition from this Church, 30:35 or this club, strip club, 30:37 been in this area for how many years? 30:39 Since '89. 30:41 Since 1989, is now transitioning... 30:45 Transitioned. Into a House of God. 30:47 It's up and running. 30:49 I got to go a few weeks ago 30:51 and just stand in the lobby and just think, 30:55 "Man, God, how amazing are you." 30:59 So in the very neighborhood 31:00 where people would drive by 31:02 and know that this was destroying lives. 31:06 Now in that same neighborhood, it's changing lives. 31:10 For sure. And that's a lot of it too. 31:12 I mean, Rob's vision of it was, 31:16 he had gone to a different church 31:17 away from his church and that was just his... 31:20 He just... 31:21 He wanted to reach the ones 31:24 that nobody else wanted so to speak. 31:26 He wanted the most broken, the most... 31:29 That's where he was at, you know, and if you go there, 31:32 I don't know if you were there 31:33 while there were having a service, 31:35 I mean, he'll be up there in a Harley shirt 31:36 or a Bronker shirt 31:38 or I mean, he has the epidemy of greeting someone 31:40 where they are at. 31:42 Amen. And yeah, and was just... 31:44 I would like to wait for questions 31:46 because after we get a few questions, 31:49 I know that Stacy, your wife is here, 31:51 there is a friend of mine here 31:52 that has struggled with his own addictions, 31:55 I want to see if they have any questions for you 31:57 but then I wanna come back and say, 32:00 'cause now you are an incredible man of God. 32:04 Raising the family, you did go to school. 32:07 So I wanna kinda cap all of that off 32:09 'cause it is an amazing miracle. 32:12 So I wanna open up and I know that, first of all, 32:16 I'd like to talk with you Donald 32:18 because I know that your struggle 32:20 has been in the area that he's talking about, 32:23 so do you have any comment or question for Aaron. 32:27 Aaron, I just wanna say, 32:28 praise God for what you came over, 32:29 I used to be one of those, I mean, 32:31 I would sit in the seat and watch the dancers 32:33 and I'd actually participate in those clubs 32:35 and how God brought me almost, 32:37 nearly destroyed me and my sorrows going 32:39 and God showed me where I was heading. 32:41 And I thought, if we kept on that path, 32:42 I would have definitely ended up some where horrible. 32:45 I knew I would end up in jail. 32:46 I could have been up there and this is was just bad so, 32:49 I really wanna say, I'm proud of what you did, 32:52 that takes a huge step to 32:53 and a commitment to listen to God, trust Him 32:56 and know He's gonna provide for whatever you need 32:58 and get you out of the mess so, praise God for that. 33:00 Thank you Donald and Aaron. 33:02 Both Donald and his wife were really lost in addiction. 33:06 And their whole transition 33:08 coming out of those sexual addictions 33:10 and all of that stuff. 33:12 To me it was amazing 33:13 when they decided to burn all their toys, 33:15 burn all the pornography and let God have control. 33:18 So, you know, what do you... 33:21 Do you have anything to say to him as some of the... 33:23 As a guy sitting in the seat. 33:25 You know, I do. 33:27 And I appreciate your words 33:28 but I think 33:31 it's easy to focus on the women in a business 33:34 and justifiably so, 33:35 I certainly don't mean anything other than that. 33:37 But I think in that gets lost, the men that are in it 33:41 and to the path that goes down too, 33:46 it's just as bad, it's just as awful, 33:47 it's just as degrading... 33:50 The families that were destroyed. 33:51 Absolutely, you know, pay rent or for a kids birthday 33:56 or go the club or, you know, 33:59 I could tell you a story about one man 34:00 in particular that... 34:02 The day I met him was doing really exceedingly well 34:07 and the last I heard about him was, 34:09 you know, where you were headed. 34:11 He did go to prison 34:13 and we're talking about a family man 34:14 that literally blew everything 34:19 he had in and around the clubs 34:21 and stemming from the clubs or whatever, you know, 34:24 and it doesn't mean that happens to everybody. 34:26 But it happens. But it happens. 34:28 And it's so... 34:30 I'm happy that a male would ask a question 34:33 because it's a big part of it to you for sure. 34:36 I know, there is a part of man. 34:39 I'm sure a part of you, 34:41 there's sometimes just wants to scream out 34:43 to anybody, I'm so sorry. 34:45 Oh, absolutely. 34:46 And that sense of, I'm so sorry for the injury that I've caused 34:51 and literally knowing that you have to surrender 34:53 that to God 34:54 because Jesus is the only one that can pay that price. 34:56 You can't pay it. All I can do is change my life. 34:59 Well, even coming here, you know, 35:01 going back through the pictures or whatever, 35:03 I'm years removed now 35:06 and it was like putting on like a coat 35:10 of guilt and shame again. 35:11 Just kind of walking through it, 35:13 I'm okay with it now in that sense 35:15 where I have a much better grasp on it now. 35:18 But yeah, you know, 35:19 and then you hear something like that for sure, 35:21 you know, you just... 35:22 Anyone's life for you effected poorly, 35:24 yeah, I'm sorry. 35:26 But let's make steps to make sure 35:28 it doesn't happen again. 35:30 Amen. 35:31 And even for, you know, 35:33 in the Bible when there is a place where, 35:36 you know, Christ himself says, 35:37 "Can I change out your filthy garments 35:39 and give you a robe of righteousness," 35:41 that we literally are covered in this 35:43 robe of righteousness 35:45 and this is from all of our past 35:47 from anything that has followed us 35:49 from generational stuff. 35:51 And so, I'm so proud that you're here and Donald, 35:54 thank you so much for that comment. 35:56 And Stacy, you know, that I love you. 35:58 So Stacy, you're Aaron's wife, do you have anything 36:03 that you wanna add to what he said 36:04 or any comments for Aaron? 36:08 Possibly just make a comment and say couldn't be more proud. 36:11 I was always so very proud but, 36:13 I mean, I... 36:15 Just when I feel like 36:16 I couldn't be more proud of the husband 36:18 that I have, I am every day. 36:21 So because of who he is and where he's come. 36:23 Absolutely. 36:24 How he responds to God. Yes. 36:27 How he responds to you as you're... 36:30 He was always good to me but, I mean, 36:32 this is just above and beyond. 36:35 You know, when you say that, Stacy, most people would think, 36:38 "Oh, in that business, 36:39 he probably was abusive and horrible 36:42 and this life is probably good but you're saying 36:44 he was always a good guy. 36:45 Always up lifting, always a good father. 36:49 But I think, you know, 36:52 you can't run a business like that 36:55 and raise a family. 36:57 The two don't go together, so, you know, 37:00 getting out of that 37:03 and then doing something that you can, 37:05 when some may ask you, "What do you do for a living?" 37:07 Or I was asked that question all the time. 37:11 That was an uncomfortable spot to be put in, to have to say, 37:15 "Well, you know," or a dance around that kind of thing 37:19 and just not answer it straight forward 37:22 but now I can answer that question. 37:25 You know. Amen. 37:26 You know, I love you. I love you too, Cheri. 37:28 You know, I love you like a sister. 37:31 I feel the same way about you. 37:33 That is cool, so now you've got people around you 37:37 including your wife. 37:38 This is I'm so proud of who you are. 37:41 And so, you know, I know that when you saw that email 37:44 and you're talking about a, you know, 37:47 this is from a Christian college 37:50 and you were going to take what? 37:52 I got into counseling. 37:54 I got my Masters in counseling and went through that program 37:57 which was really good too. 37:58 You know, what that that cracks me up, 38:00 it cracks me up 'cause any club owner 38:02 that I ever worked for, from 13 years old on, 38:05 they are good counselors. 38:08 'Cause we come in all stoned and high and full of drama. 38:12 You have to talk astounding 38:14 and get us to work. 38:15 So you've been counseling your whole life. 38:16 One of the questions on, when the application was, 38:20 has anybody ever told you, you should be. 38:23 And it was like, "Do I have to tell you 38:25 who told me how it should be be." 38:27 But yeah, 38:29 you deal with a lot of things, I mean it. 38:32 You see a lot of 'em 38:34 not so good aspects in life for sure. 38:37 And I love how God does this with us 38:41 but when you start to step into the education 38:45 and a different job and counseling 38:47 and having a different kind of hope for the future. 38:51 What was that relationship like with you and God? 38:53 What did that feel like? It was good. 38:56 It was just really liberating to finally be doing... 39:01 One of the other questions on that was, you know, 39:03 why do you wanna do this? 39:05 And for me it was a simple answer 39:07 because I wanna become the tool I was supposed to be. 39:10 And I wasn't really sure what that looked like 39:12 at the time. 39:13 I wasn't sure, 39:15 I can't remember if it was Jim or Hayor, 39:18 maybe even Roger, one of 'em like 39:20 have we ever thought about and like no. 39:22 I am not a pastor sort of thing, you know. 39:24 And but I thought, yeah, but I do wanna help people. 39:29 I do wanna... I wanna make a difference. 39:31 I wanna do something more, you know, 39:33 Stacy mentioned it 39:34 would being a family man and I appreciate what she said 39:37 but I did my best 39:39 but at it's best it wasn't good. 39:42 When my daughter had her career day at school, 39:46 that was pretty telling me. 39:49 And it was one of those real wake up calls of like, 39:52 wow, if you... 39:54 This is wanting you, 39:55 "Dad, come and tell 'em what you're doing. 39:56 Come and present that career day." 39:58 Yeah. 39:59 And, you know, as I sit here and say about it, 40:01 I think about, yeah, and that's her... 40:02 That awareness was setting in for her too. 40:05 Just like it did for me 40:07 and now she doesn't have to grow up with that, 40:09 she doesn't have to... 40:10 She doesn't have to be part of that, 40:12 you know, for her just therapist, 40:15 or, you know whatever, I mean, it can just be... 40:17 Even now it's just like, man, whatever. 40:19 For me that's huge. That's huge. 40:22 You ended up getting the degree in counseling, 40:24 became a therapist. 40:26 Yup. 40:27 And so everything 40:34 in your family's changed, 40:36 everything in your life is changed 40:38 and what's really fun for me 40:40 is your family has always loved you. 40:42 Yes. 40:44 So they are proud of you watching you stand up, 40:47 the club is flipped 40:49 and is now a Church, the community, 40:52 everything is changed 40:53 and so again what does that look like, 40:56 what does that feel like, 40:58 what kind of things are you getting at work? 41:01 Do you have anything that you say, you know, 41:03 what God gave me this scripture or thus, 41:05 this thing that really kinda solidified it for me. 41:09 You know, it's good. 41:11 But one of the things in reading the Bible 41:14 for the first time 3 as a 36 or 37 year old. 41:18 I tried to meet people 41:20 where they're at to the Nth degree. 41:23 I don't bring it up, I don't know anything. 41:24 But if they do 41:26 and there is ways you can bring it up. 41:27 I can't say that I don't bring it up 'cause I do 41:30 but there is... 41:33 What I learned from it was just that. 41:36 Especially in this culture, 41:38 you know, when I was growing up, 41:39 being the rebel didn't mean going to church 41:43 but in this teenage that's kind of what it is. 41:45 I mean, it's a really sensitive subject, you know, 41:47 so but it's for generally speaking, 41:49 yeah, it's been good. 41:50 It's certainly a much more 41:52 positive healing sort of approach... 41:55 So what I'm hearing you saying 41:57 is that God for you demystified the Bible 42:00 and made it very real 42:01 and when you actually share that with someone, 42:04 it's not that you share a scripture 42:06 but you share principles of God 42:08 that can make it real not offensive 42:10 and meet some where they're at. 42:12 And so that's part of your counseling. 42:13 Absolutely. I don't want... 42:15 I feel like people will ask me, "So, you're a Christian." 42:17 And I have a really hard time saying, "Yes, I'm a Christian." 42:21 Because I feel like in our culture 42:22 that's like saying, 42:23 "So you're favorite color is blue." 42:25 And to me it's like that's a big deal, 42:28 to just to say it boldly, 42:30 "Yeah, I'm a Christian." 42:31 Well, what I would say is I aspire to be, 42:33 I'll find out one day if I am. 42:35 Amen. 42:37 And so for me, I guess I take more of a laid back approach, 42:40 you know, I think it's been kind of effective though. 42:43 I think there's people that I'm able to talk to 42:46 because of it, 42:47 that maybe wouldn't be as open with others 42:50 or maybe not as open with them right away, you know. 42:52 So then do you have an example? 42:54 Can you think of something, 42:58 so at time when you saw that play out. 43:03 For sure. 43:04 I think a good example would be, you know, 43:07 of an indirect consequence if you will. 43:11 Well, I was going through... 43:13 Michael had, 43:14 Michel was out and already doing his thing. 43:16 I was in that process of and while that happened, 43:22 my other middle brother Paul started having like... 43:27 He didn't know how to explain it 43:28 but he would go telling to one of the other clubs 43:31 and he's like, "Aaron, I can't do it anymore. 43:34 I get there and it's all but a panic attack. 43:36 It's like, the best I can do is go and sit in the office... 43:39 He can't even hardly breathe. He couldn't do it. 43:40 He could not do it anymore. 43:43 He and his wife went out to visit her family, 43:46 pretty sure they already lived in Nevada at that point 43:49 and this is a really short summary 43:53 and you have to understand 43:54 we're talking about a man who'd been in the business 43:56 for the better part of 30 years. 43:58 And a very handy guy, I mean, I... 44:00 Never did I worry about him after he got out of the club 44:03 but that's a really challenging thing to do 44:06 something like that for that long, I mean, 44:08 for me I was getting a degree and I was hopefully get a job, 44:10 you know, for him here's where I want to back. 44:14 Well, he went out to Nevada 44:16 and put an offer in on a house while he was out there. 44:19 And I don't remember if it was like 44:20 right before he left or when he got back or whatever 44:23 but he found that it was accepted. 44:25 So now in about a 10 day period for him too, 44:28 he went from helping run a club to 44:31 I'm not only quitting my job, I'm leaving the State. 44:35 And so at the time when that was happening, 44:39 him and I were in communication and of course, 44:41 I just encouraged him 44:42 and he said something to me that, 44:44 it even kinda chokes me upright, 44:45 earlier when I thought about it. 44:47 He says, "You know what, Aaron. 44:48 He looked up the town that he was moving to. 44:51 He said I looked online, 44:52 there is 27 jobs there and I need one of 'em." 44:54 Well. 44:56 And I was just like, oh, my, you know, 44:57 'cause he has a little boy 44:58 and he wanted to make sure that he... 45:00 You were like, "Friend, go." 45:01 Yeah, but, I mean, just for him to... 45:03 I was like, "Oh, that's so awesome." 45:04 So that left my one brother Rob left in the business 45:07 and so I think the ripple effect 45:10 if you will or if there is, I mean, 45:13 I was only the tool that I wanted to be in it. 45:16 But I felt like God was able to shine through with all that 45:19 and now today my other brother 45:21 through the midst of all of it 45:23 and it's kind of an interesting part 45:24 why I still had part of the building. 45:27 And that's how I was able to go to that church 45:29 and talk with Derry 45:31 and everything started going, you know, 45:32 because had I just got off a bit, 45:34 that would have never happened either. 45:35 Exactly. 45:36 And so when in the midst of all of that, 45:39 my other brother finds out he has throat cancer. 45:42 And is starting to have some of these thoughts about 45:44 what do I... 45:45 And I said, "Roby," 'cause he's like, "What I do, 45:48 if I get out of the business, what am I gonna do." 45:49 This is all I know. Right. 45:50 And I looked at him and I said, "Roby, what do you wanna do?" 45:55 For the first time, you know, what do you wanna do? 45:58 Now what does dad want us... What do you wanna do? 46:01 You know. And he was like, "Why? 46:03 Would like to get out," you know, 46:04 and so that's one is like... 46:06 So what do you think if, you know, 46:07 and then it kinda started going in the direction 46:10 it ultimately ended up in but so, yeah. 46:12 Right now, today none of us are in the business anymore. 46:15 You know, when... 46:16 And I think that, 46:18 we really don't think that when God steps into a family 46:22 or when God steps into our life 46:23 and somebody decide to fight for the survival, 46:27 for the recovery, 46:29 we don't think what's gonna happen 46:30 to everybody around us. 46:32 And it's not ours to think, 46:33 I think it would be overwhelming 46:35 but God does says, "I promise you. 46:37 You start this battle and everything will change." 46:42 And your family, I love... 46:44 Even hearing it 'cause I know that everybody really change 46:48 or some in your family that are still in the business? 46:52 No. No. 46:53 Nieces, nephews... 46:55 Nobody is in the business anymore. 46:56 How crazy... 46:58 That doesn't mean that it can't happen in this culture 46:59 or whatever, I mean, 47:01 you're saying nieces and stuff like that, 47:02 I mean, it's... 47:04 They're... 47:06 At least they have an example other wise. 47:09 Absolutely, we're gonna take a break 47:11 but I want you to come back 47:12 because I wanted you to talk about kind of 47:15 that's everybody wants to have somebody they can blame 47:18 and somebody that's in the sentence, 47:19 somebody that's making in and somebody that's not. 47:22 God doesn't even look at it that way. 47:24 Never has, never will. 47:25 So we're gonna be right back. 47:27 Stay with us, Celebrating Life in Recovery. |
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