Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), C.A. Murray
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR00029B
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00:12 It is amazing to me, just to think of the programs that
00:15 we actually did this time, and the people that got to come on. 00:17 My friend Harmony and Ashley and Ron and Shannon, 00:23 and literally knowing what they shared. 00:25 Ashley, who had just gone through this abortion and 00:29 trying to deal with that, and coming back to God and she 00:32 has got Bulimia, and she's got all that kind of stuff. 00:34 She steps into the church and wants badly to tell 00:37 someone, and realizes that it is kind of inappropriate 00:40 to talk about sin here. 00:42 I'm like - that's interesting, that's kind of like a DAH! 00:46 I know - this is not the place, get to the hospital and 00:48 get healed, and all that kind of thing. 00:50 You know we look at some of these things we are talking 00:52 about, we have used the term raw. 00:54 We have talked about strong subjects. 00:55 In 1 John, he says, "if we say we have no sin we deceive 01:02 ourselves," so - we call God a liar - precisely. 01:05 If you may not see your situation precisely reflected, 01:11 but maybe there is someone you know, someone God is 01:14 calling you to minister to, someone who may come into 01:16 your life, who has some of this baggage. 01:19 It will equip us to not go around with our mouths open. 01:23 You know I've never seen that. 01:26 I never heard that. 01:27 It's here, if it's in the world is in the church because 01:29 people who are in the church have come from the world. 01:32 They don't always get free of their baggage when they 01:34 come out of the baptismal pool. 01:35 So they need healing and that's what Celebrating Life In 01:38 Recovery, in that process is all about. 01:40 And literally to be able to say let's celebrate that 01:43 whole journey, and I love that. 01:45 It's like when all of a sudden God, I'm such a baby, so 01:49 He doesn't show me my junk right away. 01:52 When I first got into recovery He showed me tiny things, 01:55 a heroine addict has to go, tequila has to go, you can't 01:58 smoke weed, I mean those kind of things. 01:59 But 20 something years into recovery He said you never 02:03 have let anyone love you, or trust people, 02:05 and all that kind of stuff. 02:06 So He starts revealing that and then even after that He 02:09 says, you're still manipulating, you're still having 02:11 that kind of stuff. 02:12 He starts unfolding that a little at a time. 02:15 I think as the body of Christ, when we are actually 02:19 truly Christians to each other, we can help each other 02:21 unfold that quicker. 02:22 But it's like all that takes time. 02:24 God says I will walk with you, and I will never leave or 02:26 forsake you - yeah, yeah. 02:28 That's were getting in to the Word of God, exalting His 02:30 word and lifting all that up. 02:31 The whole season is about is that I have to know that 02:34 when I truly get a glimpse of who I am, and I forget 02:37 that God saved me, it rocks you. 02:41 God says you half to know that in the Bible it says I 02:44 will never leave, that I will finish the work in you, 02:46 that I am in here for the long haul. 02:49 All of heaven stopped to make sure that you got back home, 02:54 so don't be afraid to look at this stuff. 02:55 So like I have to know it is in the Word. 02:57 You know I noticed something about you, you are like me. 02:59 When you get excited you get loud. 03:01 This is like loud TV - I live loud. 03:04 I did not know, my Audio Engineer, John Leaman told me 03:09 we have to keep turning the volume down on you because 03:11 the more invested you get the louder you get. 03:13 It didn't occur to me that when you get excited you get 03:15 loud, so that's another thing it's a loud television, 03:18 because you have a lot of things going on that people 03:21 are passionate about. 03:22 With that passion comes some volume, comes some energy. 03:25 I believe in this - yeah - do you know what I mean, I 03:27 believe that what we are trying to do, and I believe 03:29 that there are people out there that are watching this 03:31 program that literally are healing as we are presenting 03:35 some of these things. 03:36 So I believe that so much that sometimes I even forget, 03:39 somebody says well look at this camera, I say no! no! I 03:42 want to look right at you guys. 03:43 Do you know what I mean it is because I believe this. 03:46 I think if we actually saw the face of God and saw who 03:48 He was, who He is and how much He adores us, how much He 03:52 loves us, how much it saddens Him that we hold on 03:55 to these secret sins that we think are bringing us pleasure. 03:58 He says they are robbing you of who you are, robbing you 04:02 of your birthright, and I'm thinking I just so want to 04:05 put it out there that we have to trust God. 04:07 Trust God to give back into His word - yeah! 04:09 You know we get a lot of, and I will use this term, of 04:11 anecdotic evidence but I say that a lot of people call and 04:15 say, I love this program and I watch this program. 04:19 It ministers to me, it's changing my life. 04:21 We don't have any Arbitron ratings, we don't subscribe 04:24 to any big service we just get anecdotic stuff. 04:27 people send letters, people make calls, people send e-mails. 04:30 People tell us it's reaching us, it's touching us, it's 04:33 it's helping us, it's saving us, it's showing us Jesus. 04:35 Keep on doing what you're doing and we are dealing with 04:39 some very weighty issues, but we are in the last days 04:43 as you well know. 04:44 Christ is coming soon and we have to get this stuff 04:46 swept away, vacuumed up before He comes. 04:49 The only way to do that is to talk about it and that is 04:51 what we are doing. 04:52 So I'm going to show you this next roll in. 04:55 We have a family, Jack Bridges, filmed, 04:59 literally did a documentary of his son 05:01 dying of Meth addiction. 05:02 His son asked him, did you know I am dying. 05:05 I could hardly even process or say a sentence and I need 05:08 you to show people what Meth looks like at this stage. 05:13 He's a young guy in his 20's, he has had two major heart 05:17 attacks, he's had a stroke. 05:19 The Meth has fried his brain, put holes in his brain. 05:22 They start doing this documentary, so I asked them to 05:25 come, his father to come and do the show. 05:27 His father brings the grandmother who prayed and loved 05:30 this kid all his life. 05:31 The guy Shawn is his name, Shawn's daughter who is 13, 05:35 brought his ex-wife, brought the pastor that brought 05:39 him to Christ before he died, brought the clinical 05:41 director of a rehab center that Shawn used to go to when 05:44 he could speak to minister to the other Meth addict's. 05:47 He brought 2 new Meth addict's into recovery. 05:50 So when they came I'm thinking it is just going to be a 05:53 program with this father and myself and all the sudden I 05:57 realize that everybody has a testimony here. 05:59 One of the Meth addicts that was new in recovery, her 06:03 teeth were a mess, and she is skinny and I looked at her 06:07 and realized she's like my younger sister 06:09 who was lost in Meth. 06:10 I wanted to say when we were doing the program, man! 06:16 do you realize how real this is, that we are literally 06:19 trying to show a level of which God works. 06:23 Every single one of these people God worked at, 06:25 even the guy that died. 06:27 I want to get him back to bring him back before he dies, 06:30 at the resurrection I want to see this guy again. 06:32 It was amazing, so we are going to show a roll in with 06:34 the Bridges, Cheryl McGuinness is a friend of mine, 06:38 I have worked with her before. 06:40 Her husband Tom McGuinness was one of the pilots was 06:44 flown into the World Trade Center at 9/11. 06:47 And literally she had to deal with the fact that he 06:50 wasn't just killed flying into the trade Center, he was 06:53 murdered, with his throat cut, before they hit the trade Center 06:56 So she knew, what was his last minutes like and had to 07:00 work on how do you forgive that? 07:02 Then Monica Barlow, her group of, she ministers to 07:06 foster kids, which I love. 07:08 And so I want to show you these and then we'll come right back. 07:13 He stared using ephedrine's and pseudoephedrine 07:17 Age of 23- He lost his appendix, 07:21 they were eaten completely up from the ephedrine's. 07:25 and pseudoephedrine ephedrine's from what the 07:28 doctors told us, it had holes and was leaking poison. 07:32 Can you imagine at 23? 07:33 23- wow - after he healed up from that evidently he 07:38 had started the use of Meth, some of the harder drugs. 07:41 That is when he had his first heart attack at 26. 07:44 What was it like for you to watch your grandson jump 07:48 into a drug addiction, and be lost in that? 07:51 It was heart breaking - I bet it was 07:54 because I couldn't do anything. 07:57 I couldn't, I talked to him, I didn't know how to talk 08:03 to him - you just knew something was wrong - yes. 08:06 I prayed for him and I would tell him I prayed for him. 08:11 He'd say okay Granny. 08:15 In my mind and in I think audibly I was screaming, just 08:21 this isn't it, but he didn't go away so he came in and sat down. 08:26 I remember looking at him and saying do you have 08:31 something to say, and even he was almost speechless as 08:35 to how to say what he had to deliver 08:37 How-to I tell her this. 08:38 How do I tell her. 08:39 I was almost rude when I was saying do you have 08:43 something to say to me? 08:44 It's like who are you sitting in my living room, do you 08:47 have something to say to me? 08:48 He was like, you know there was these people all around 08:53 me, and I'm thinking what could he possibly have to say to me? 08:57 I don't even know this man, he was the 08:58 chief pilot from American Airlines. 09:00 He came in and said Flight 11, your husband was on 09:04 Flight 11, and it was flown into the World Trade Center. 09:10 Hijacked, crashed and there were no survivors. 09:13 I wanted to run away, I didn't want to be around seeing 09:19 her die - I don't want to feel this, I don't know 09:21 what to do - yeah! 09:23 Her face, she was always very heavy, and when she got 09:30 sick we had a hospital bed inside our house because she 09:33 didn't want to go to a hospital. 09:34 She was very skinny, she was so skinny her jaw line, I 09:41 mean you can see everything - you just lost all that weight. 09:44 Yeah she lost it all and then her, everything, her rib 09:48 cage just started sticking out more because of 09:51 all the cancer on the inside. 09:53 It was really hard and during that I really wanted to, 09:58 I feel really guilty now, I hate it, but 10:03 I did not want to be there. 10:05 But I think about it now and once you while I start 10:08 crying because I wish that I would have just got in that 10:11 bed and laid down right next to her, you know! 10:16 You know the English language is so limited we keep saying wow! 10:18 You want to come back to wow because these 10:20 testimonies are so powerful. 10:22 Cheryl McGuinness I interviewed shortly after 9/11. 10:26 The wife of the Copilot of Flight 92, that crashed into 10:32 into Pennsylvania, she had to go through a lot of this same stuff 10:35 What do I do with my life, how to address the people 10:42 that were responsible, how do I face tomorrow, 10:44 you know all those questions. 10:46 Then you had the Jesus component which helps you get through, she 10:49 she did no interviews and I'm not going to give 10:52 her name right now. 10:53 She chose Sixty Minutes came up, and she said I 10:56 don't want to talk about it. 10:57 But she did do one for us, we did a Christmas show 11:00 right after 9/11. 11:01 She did that one interview for us that I am not going to 11:05 talk about because I need to process this. 11:07 I need to get myself in right relationship with God, 11:09 because everything I know has now been changed and tested. 11:13 With Cheryl what was really interesting to me, because we 11:15 have worked together a number of times, is that when she 11:18 finally got brave enough to go to ground zero and stand there. 11:21 She said I'm standing there looking at all this ash and 11:23 all this wreckage and God gently says to me the biggest 11:28 thing that will bring healing into your life in your 11:31 children's life, is for you to forgive them. 11:33 She said I stood there and just thought, 11:35 God what is He talking about? 11:37 That's what I think is incredible about her testimony 11:40 is the tragedy is horrible but the victory is her 11:45 walk through forgiveness and her walk into her 11:48 relationship with God so strongly that she really 11:50 understands forgiveness. 11:51 When somebody in prison, like she goes to prison, and 11:55 somebody says I'm in here because I raped and murdered 11:57 this little girl, and she says you know God forgives you. 12:02 When she says it because she knows it, 12:04 do you know what I mean? 12:05 Forgiveness is forgiveness and is extended to all of us 12:08 regardless of what we think. 12:11 The only way we are going to know that is getting into 12:13 the word of God and getting out of what I feel about it. 12:16 Do I feel the Strip Club owner should be forgiven, 12:19 absolutely not, you know what I mean! 12:22 But God says I forgive him. 12:25 Do I feel the demoniac should be forgiven, no I think he 12:27 should be slowly tortured, I mean he's cussing at God, he's 12:31 not even coming and asking for forgiveness. 12:33 So just torture him and be done with it, but God says no. 12:36 Get into the word I want to forgive everybody. 12:38 I want to bring everybody into a place where they just 12:41 love life and enjoy taking a breath. 12:43 That they are happy in their own skin. 12:46 That's huge - that's what's so important about this 12:50 show is that it is not theory, it's not philosophy, 12:55 it's actual people living out actual life situations. 12:59 It is not quote reality TV, real life television where 13:03 people have wrestled with the issues of life and through 13:06 the power of God are getting victory over that. 13:10 Huge - we get to see that, we get to walk through 13:12 that experience with them. 13:13 Even one of the programs you just saw a clip of, the guy 13:17 dying of Meth addiction, Shawn. 13:18 His entire family came onto the set to just give a piece 13:22 of what that meant to them. 13:23 The grandmother still locked in her addictions all her 13:26 life is on oxygen because she smoked for ever. 13:28 The daughter who is 13 has already kind of walked out 13:32 and tested drugs a little bit. 13:34 Just being able to watch every single one of them had a 13:38 testimony, and watch all that kind of stuff that God is 13:41 working with every single one of us to bring us in 13:44 a place of recovery - yeah! 13:45 Sometimes when I leave the programs, I walk away from 13:47 the set, I just have to sit with myself and think did I 13:50 just see what just happened? 13:51 That not only am I hearing the testimonies, did I know 13:54 them, as they bring them in I want to share them with you, 13:57 but I watched continued healing happen here as we present it. 14:01 I'm thinking how cool is this program. 14:03 And I hate to say that being the host of the program, 14:06 but I know that it is bigger than that. 14:08 I know that it has nothing to do with me, all it has to 14:10 do with is giving someone the opportunity to show what 14:13 God is doing and then vindicating God in the process, 14:16 because all of us are a wreck. 14:18 The more I get into Ministry I meet the coolest of the 14:21 cool, do you know what I mean? 14:22 I meet people that can quote the Bible back and forth 14:25 and can quote Spirit of Prophecy and can quote all this 14:27 kind of stuff, but I know their struggles too. 14:29 I know that there is not any of us that God is 14:32 constantly on the journey with and let's just put that 14:35 out there to get people courage to stand - yeah! 14:37 You touched on something that, you put a pin in, it is not 14:42 about digging up people's junk, it's giving God the glory. 14:48 Given the knowledge that whatever you're junk is, 14:51 God can handle it. 14:52 Number 1, it doesn't surprise Him, He has seen it before, 14:54 He's dealt with it before, and if you turn it over to 14:56 Him He will take care of it in your life also. 14:59 This show highlights that God can, and it is a God can 15:02 show - He is absolutely crazy about you - yeah! 15:05 He is absolutely, Shawn is dying in that one program, 15:08 Shawn Bridges. 15:09 He is dying, the Meth has poured acid on his brain, he has had 15:14 those heart attacks, he can't even physically speak. 15:16 His last word was, because he had come back to Christ, 15:21 his last words were, you know what, film this 15:23 so somebody knows. 15:25 But God loved him, absolutely loved him even though 15:29 He allowed him to rest - yeah - just rest. 15:31 Because your addiction will take you out and I'm just 15:33 going to give you a break from that till I raise you. 15:35 That is kind of a mind blowing thing that you can 15:38 destroy your life, but as long as there is some brain 15:42 function you can say Lord take me now, and boom! 15:45 Got it he's gone so come judgment day when we are 15:49 ascending and look over he's going to be ascending too. 15:52 That's an incredibly - in his right brain, in his right 15:57 mind - precisely yeah! 15:58 You know what I want to say is that if there is any 16:00 body out there that just heard that and thinks that you 16:02 can just play around until the last minute and say God. 16:05 I know that people say that, I've heard them say that 16:09 and their logic is good because they're going from 16:11 this kind of carnal reasoning, but I'm telling you sometimes 16:15 when you get to the last breath, you get to the last day 16:18 you won't have the right mind to say it. 16:20 So today is the day of salvation. 16:23 I just buried my father, and my father I love him but 16:26 they told him he can have all the morphine he wanted 16:28 because he is dying. 16:29 He's like yeah-ho did you just hear that! 16:31 I wanted to say goodbye and he's drug seeking. 16:34 So don't lie to yourself, don't lie to yourself because 16:36 God says I have a plan now and you may get to a place 16:40 where you can't make that right decision. 16:41 Right, the pastor in me just jumps up to Galatians 6:7, 16:43 "Be not deceive God is not mocked. " 16:45 You can't play games with Him and you don't want to get 16:47 into that death-bed kind of thing. 16:49 You do not want to do that. 16:50 Today's if you hear His voice harden not your heart. 16:53 When you step up and stand up, Jesus is standing up with you. 16:57 We see that over and over and over again in these 16:59 stories and it is refreshing and affirming and life- 17:03 changing to know that the same God that did it for Cheri 17:06 can do it for me, can do it for you! 17:08 We are going to have another roll in. 17:10 I want to share with you 3 people that are brought on 17:14 the sets, a couple people brought on the set this time 17:16 that really are experts in their field. 17:19 One of them is an expert in health and 17:22 his name is Nyce Collins. 17:24 Incredible guy, Nyce Life Ministries and just really 17:26 works food and healing. 17:28 So I brought him in and then the other guy, Dr. Doug Weiss. 17:30 Dr. Doug Weiss, I mean he is just the real deal as far 17:34 as healing, I did a lot of my healing through stuff that 17:37 he has put out there. 17:38 He was born out of wedlock, he was abandoned as a child, 17:42 he was put in Foster cares, he was molested a number of times 17:45 and all that kind of stuff. 17:46 So he came out of that and God so brought this guy into 17:49 healing that he sits next to you, you just want to say 17:52 what can I do now? 17:53 You know that he has the answer and you know that he has 17:56 lived it, so we are going to show you a little bit about 17:58 what they presented. 17:59 Oh man, on the set behind the scenes we were all healing 18:03 like crazy, like crazy with these guys. 18:09 That is one aspect, so of course we have trust in God. 18:12 It is the most important thing then we went out and got 18:15 some fresh air and exercise and we're following a 18:16 schedule, but now after we did all that we come back 18:19 home and we popped a certain donut company. 18:23 I can't say any names, but we're poping donuts - you know 18:25 what he is talking about - you know what I mean a 18:26 nice sweet ones. 18:27 Oh man I used to love them so much they burn my teeth 18:30 and I would still eat more. 18:31 Will pop that and then take some coffee and wash 18:34 that down too. 18:35 It's almost like the law, you mess up on one 18:39 you mess up on them all. 18:40 We have to except God first that He is going to give us 18:43 the strength to abstain from those past addictions, but 18:46 then - I'm not going to shoot heroine, I'm not going to 18:48 be smoking cigarettes - of course - I'm not drinking 18:50 coffee - but it the same time that is not the only addiction. 18:53 There are other addictions and many times, as we have 18:56 talked about earlier, we transition from these big bad 18:58 addictions and that we come to the nice little cute ones 19:01 that are really still undermining our progress. 19:04 And our road through recovery - that's what we were 19:07 talking about ice cream and all that stuff. 19:09 Actually when I came to the Lord I was in Bible school, 19:11 I came 3 days later, I was in Bible school and in my 19:14 dorm room and I'm saying God if you are going to use me, 19:16 like couldn't you have chosen a different path? 19:18 You know like you make decent parents, give me the Bible 19:21 when I was 6 years old, and do all this kind of stuff. 19:24 Why did I have to go through all this abuse, 19:25 abandonment, and neglect? 19:26 But I didn't know he had a ministry for me to set 19:27 captives free, so I had to be a captive to set captives free. 19:30 Amen - that was His design for me. 19:32 Some of us look at our scars and don't realize they are 19:34 His scars for us - wow! 19:37 So we can release scars for others, instead of being a 19:40 baby about it, say, listen these are my scars, now 19:44 you use them for Your glory, use them for Your kingdom 19:46 and I will open them up and let You heal them so that 19:50 You can heal through them. 19:51 To see what I'm saying - yes! 19:52 Some of us want to get into, no I want to hide my scars, 19:54 and you block the Ministry of the Spirit of God when you 19:57 block your scars - Amen! 19:59 He's not looking for perfect people, He is looking for 20:01 screwed up people and you might qualify. 20:02 I qualify - I'm saying in general we qualify. 20:06 He is looking for those flawed people that will say that 20:09 I am flawed and loved. 20:10 I'm going to say something that you met not get, but men 20:12 do not understand that because the way that they are 20:16 made they think physical relationship, the ribbed abs, 20:19 slick hair and a nice shirt, that their woman is going to be 20:22 attracted to them. 20:23 Totally off - it really is, how funny is that - 20:26 because we like the package thing and that works for us 20:29 the visual thing - that works for us. 20:30 But for women they are all roused and enamored by us 20:33 by emotional proximity, how close am I to your heart? 20:37 Now you see most guys don't know how to get a woman's 20:39 heart closer to them so they struggle their whole marriage. 20:41 The Ten Minute Marriage gets a guy to have his wife's heart 20:44 get closer to him all the time. 20:46 Well then she is enamored by you and hence there is more 20:50 activity in that area of your life without all the stress, 20:53 Do you see what I'm saying? - Exactly 20:54 It's like guys you put the oil in the engine the engine 20:57 runs smoother, oil-engine, oil-engine, simple concept. 21:01 Okay and guys get it. 21:05 You know is really funny to me with have Nyce Collins 21:08 and Dr. Weiss on is that Nyce and I tried to do a 21:10 cooking show together, and I'm in the kitchen, on the set 21:13 of 3ABN, and we don't usually do that. 21:15 I'm like man I want to call somebody up, 21:17 I'm like cooking at 3ABN, on their set. 21:21 All of a sudden I think that and I look at the counter 21:26 where you guys do the cooking show, and we're in the kitchen. 21:28 Usually when people do the cooking shows everything is 21:31 neat and I had stuff everywhere. 21:34 We were trying to make granola and it was on the floor, 21:36 it was on the counter and I thought 21:38 I shouldn't even be on this set. 21:40 But it was really fun and Dr. Weiss is, it was really 21:44 incredibly cool because he talked about marriage and 21:47 relationships and getting a grip on the stuff that controls you. 21:51 Trying to get control of that and how do 21:53 you do that through the word? 21:54 It was so powerful - yeah and as far as education is 21:58 concerned one of the things that I learned is that if 22:02 you are in recovery, there are certain kinds of foods, 22:05 certain kinds of combinations that you need to stay away from. 22:08 There is actually food that can help you get a grip on 22:11 your life - exactly. 22:12 That is powerful - and there's food that will stimulate 22:14 all that craving and stuff and then pretty soon you're using 22:18 and you don't realize that you literally set yourself up. 22:21 Yeah, because once you ate - exactly. 22:22 I so want to do that show and I am praying that we will 22:27 be able have that segment there a lot, because when somebody is 22:31 changing their whole lifestyle, our chemistry is out of 22:34 whack, our livers clogged up, our blood vessels are 22:39 clogged up and like how do you clear all that stuff out? 22:41 I was going to say our were whole intestinal tract but you 22:44 know that's kind of gross, but it is clogged up, I'm serious. 22:46 So it's like were be enabled to say if I'm going to do 22:50 recovery, let me do it the most honest. 22:51 Even drinking water, addicts will say I just can't 22:55 handle water, but they can down tequila. 22:57 You know what I mean, I thinking if you can get a taste 23:01 for tequila you can get a taste for water. 23:03 So now I want to show one more roll in. 23:05 The other when it's I have a couple friends, Mark 23:09 Thorton is a football player, has this incredible story. 23:12 A great friend of mine and I got to have him come on the 23:16 show and do a program doing his testimony. 23:18 And you would just get blessed by this. 23:23 And the other one is the Otto family, and what is funny 23:25 about that is, they weren't even scheduled for the show. 23:27 They were walking by the studio and I heard their 23:30 testimony and I literally asked everybody can we do a 23:33 program and I was told yes. 23:35 I think people are afraid say no to me because they just 23:37 love me, so they said yes. 23:39 So the Otto family said, well when are we going to do that? 23:43 I said, oh! right now - right now. 23:45 And one of the kids looked at me, so cute, he's said you 23:47 know I feel a little geeky right now, can I change? 23:49 I'm like absolutely you got five minutes, go change and 23:51 get back on the set. 23:52 We did and I was so thrilled to present young people, to 23:58 me it doesn't matter if you are young and love God, 24:01 get a hold of me. 24:03 I want to put you on the set because we need to know 24:05 that it doesn't matter our age. 24:07 So watch this you will be blessed. 24:11 And then I got arrested right after that and so delivery 24:16 of a controlled substance in Idaho is punishable 24:19 up to life in prison. 24:20 And this would be my third felony at this point. 24:25 When they came to arrest me, I'm like I have not 24:28 delivered anything, and this is how arrogant that I was. 24:31 The policemen came into my place of business, into my Pub and 24:34 Deli, I'm cooking lunch, he comes in and we have a 24:36 warrant for your arrest. 24:37 I'm like warrant for what, I haven't done anything. 24:40 Well we don't know and I'm like well if you're going to 24:43 arrest me you need to call and find out what 24:46 I have a warrant for. 24:47 And so was the grace of God but they obliged me and went 24:50 along with the thing. 24:51 Delivery of a controlled substance, I'm thinking I have 24:55 not delivered anything, I'm like no you have got the wrong person 24:58 They are like we are going to take you to jail. 24:59 I'm like what's the bond, we don't know, I'm like well 25:03 you're going to have to call find out what the bond is 25:04 because I'm not going with you. 25:06 Now mind you these people have guns 25:08 I'm thinking who would do that? 25:11 You see I, um, met a little boy in Mozambique last year. 25:15 And every time I stepped out of the house to go about 25:18 like missionary work, this little boy would just drop 25:20 everything he was doing and fasten his eyes on me. 25:23 He spoke Portuguese so I could respond to him all I 25:26 could do was stare back into the eyes of this little boy. 25:29 And time would pass and he would just keep looking, just 25:31 this big smile on his face, and I was wondering what was 25:34 going on and later I found out that this 25:36 boy didn't have a father. 25:38 He just had a mom that looked after him in a big brother. 25:41 This is what he said to the other children in the 25:44 village, he said I do not have a dad but if I did have a 25:47 dad I want him to be Jonas. 25:49 That is what he called me is Jonas, it is like 25:52 Portuguese, I want him to be Jonas - wow! 25:55 This little boy I realized, I look back at those scenes 25:58 of him just staring and realizing that 26:00 he was finding value. 26:02 He was feeling like he was worth something, and so he 26:04 said I don't want you to just be my friend, I don't want 26:07 you to be my big brother, I want you to be my father. 26:09 Although I had gone to church all my life, churched just 26:14 seems so irrelevant to me because I'm feeling these 26:19 feelings of kind of depression. 26:20 These anxieties I am having as a little kid. 26:24 I'm getting all of this information from our church 26:27 members, and from my pastors, but it is just so much 26:30 intellectual and so much information. 26:31 I could not relate to that, because I am insecure, 26:34 I'm struggling for my identity. 26:38 You know of course we had a chance to talk and meet with 26:41 Mark, that is a consecrated young man. 26:44 I say that young man that he has grown children, 26:45 high school age children. 26:47 An incredible guy - incredible guy! 26:48 You know that Otto family, their testimony reminds me of 26:51 a Bible study I used to do in New York City. 26:53 With show people that would meet on Friday night, this 26:55 one young lady who singing in a disco group and every 26:58 week her testimony would be the same. 26:59 I went sleep with somebody woke up and did know who his name 27:01 and I need you to pray for me. 27:02 After a while the group said will you cut that out. 27:05 We'll you just stop it? Please find the Lord. 27:08 Go to bed with Jesus and stay with Him and that kind 27:11 of thing, just stop it. 27:12 I am so glad to see that God is reaching into that 27:15 industry, and bringing out people. 27:17 Just going down grabbing those lives and pulling them 27:20 out of the fire for His kingdom. 27:22 You know we are going to go on break but I just have to 27:25 say is when I see somebody coming out of that industry, 27:28 I want to grab them and say can you work with me because 27:31 I'm going to LA and I want you to meet so-and-so. 27:33 And I can think of all kinds of folks so want them to 27:36 talk to, so the fact that we put them on the program 27:38 and got to say this out loud is incredible. 27:42 It's incredible and that is what this whole 27:44 program has been about. 27:45 Right come right back so stay with us, and I'm praying 27:48 that you have been blessed. |
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