Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), C A Murray
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR00057A
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00:10 Welcome to Celebrating Life in Recovery.
00:13 Today we are going to give you a little bit of an idea 00:14 what the next season holds. 00:16 You are going to see clips on every program. 00:18 You are going to be blessed so stay with us. 00:48 Welcome to season number five of what is one of 00:52 the most relevant and important programs we believe 00:54 in all of television. 00:55 You talk about reality TV. 00:57 This is our foray into reality television. 01:02 Season number five Celebrating Life In Recovery. 01:05 Cheri, it is good to have you here again. 01:06 Thank you and you know what, season five, I can not 01:08 believe we have been doing this, this long. 01:09 But one of the things that I kept coming up with as 01:12 we were doing recovery steps and what to do next. 01:15 How do I step into recovery? 01:16 Someone was talking to me and this guy was a Vietnam vet. 01:20 He had literally killed somebody at 17 and instead of 01:24 going to prison they sent him to Vietnam. 01:26 I don't even understand what that is all about. 01:28 That they sent him to Vietnam and he ends up going in 01:30 there and gets into a drug addiction, gets into rage 01:32 disorder, comes back out marries this nice Christian girl 01:36 that is very co-dependent. 01:37 But he goes into recovery and he has really worked with us. 01:41 In fact on season one he and his wife was on the show. 01:44 But now I see him and you know what, I feel like I have 01:48 done it, but I keep messing up. 01:51 So what is it that people forget to do in recovery? 01:56 I thought about that, what is that we need to know about 01:59 recovery that is really important? 02:00 I looked at a number of different things and came up 02:03 with in AA they call it, if anybody is going to stumble 02:09 around if anybody is not going to make it, it is 02:11 because they forget this step. 02:13 Even in AA they call up the forgotten steps, 02:17 and that is step 6 and 7. 02:19 I want to go over that because the whole season is going to be 02:23 on this, it is amazing. 02:24 And we need to make that point that this season is 02:27 really the forgotten steps, those steps that are crucial and 02:30 sometimes left out they can send you right back 02:32 down the hill that you have been trying 02:34 to climb all this time. 02:35 Exactly, and people if you are trying to do it, if you 02:39 are saying why is it so hard? 02:41 Why can't I do this? 02:43 Why can't I get over this one thing? 02:44 Why am I plateauing right here? 02:47 And it usually is that you forgot this. 02:48 There are a lot people that say you know what, 02:51 I am not into this step thing. 02:54 I don't blame you, I didn't like the step thing, I had 02:57 just jumped into church and was loved by the body of Christ. 02:59 I had gotten into the word of God, but the word of God 03:02 says it's a forgotten step. 03:03 Even in Galatians 3, I love this, Galatians 3:1, it says, 03:08 "oh foolish Galatians, who has bewitched that you 03:12 shouldn't even obey the truth?" 03:13 So somewhere in Galatians they started out well and did 03:17 really good and all of a sudden they are in trouble. 03:19 This is the one thing that people forget, 03:22 and the one thing they forget is in a step program 03:25 it is really clear. 03:27 Step number six in NARAA it says, "at this point we are 03:30 entirely ready to have God remove all our 03:33 defects of character. " 03:34 So we have looked at that and have done an inventory. 03:37 We know where we have messed up, you know we are in 03:40 porn addiction, drug addiction, we have eating disorders, 03:43 religious addictions, whatever, we have all that kind of stuff. 03:45 But now what do I do with that? 03:47 Yeah, yeah! 03:48 Who cares about all that, I have all this junk. 03:50 Well now you give it to God, but what most people do 03:53 at that time is they look at all that, they figure it 03:56 out, I know that I lie and manipulate, I know that I 03:59 am using, that I am cheating folks, so I'm going to 04:02 set up and do a program. 04:04 I'm going to start doing the right thing. 04:05 And they try to behaviorally change. 04:07 You can't do it, you have to give to God. 04:10 So to do it any other way, you are going to trip yourself up. 04:13 So this entire season is about how and what is that step. 04:18 What does it mean to give it to God? 04:20 To rely on Him? 04:21 That's exciting because when I was teaching recovery in 04:23 New York City, what I told people was that you have 04:26 to step outside yourself because some days, 04:28 Cheri you know this, you're stronger than yourself. 04:30 You can through the exercise of your will, 04:33 put that cigarette down. 04:34 Then there are other days when you are weaker than 04:36 yourself, and that is when you defeat yourself because 04:38 that day you cannot by the force of will, 04:41 put that cigarette down. 04:42 Your lower nature, if I can use that term, jumps up and 04:44 that cigarette is in your mouth and you are puffing away. 04:46 Then you say why am I doing this? 04:47 Well because today you defeated yourself because you were 04:51 drawing from yourself for strength. 04:52 You got to step outside yourself that is such an important step. 04:55 I like the idea that we have dealt with pulling yourself 04:59 up by the bootstrap, we have dealt with all these kind of 05:01 things and we now we are getting to the core this year. 05:03 We need God. 05:04 Long-term success presupposes that we put it in God's hands. 05:08 It is really tough, because we want to do something. 05:11 Right, right! 05:13 If the glass is a my way let me move it out of the way. 05:14 Right, I can do this, I can do this I have a brain. 05:17 And God says you know what. 05:19 In most 12 step groups, most recovery groups will say the 05:22 best of what you can do got you right here. 05:26 Right, right, right! That's your best so if you want to 05:29 get further you have to go someplace else. 05:31 So now how do I do that? 05:33 What does that look like exactly? 05:35 It's God trustworthy? 05:37 I looked, and you know we have a book every season, 05:39 I looked and I looked and said, oh man we need to know 05:42 about God, know if He is trustworthy, 05:45 what book do we get? 05:46 And I thought oh this book is good, oh no wait now this 05:50 book is good, no this book is good, and do you know what 05:53 I finally came up with? 05:54 This book is good, do you know what I mean? 05:59 So this season we are actually going to suggest that you 06:03 get a Bible, and if you don't have one you can call us. 06:07 You can call the 800 number and we will have one up there. 06:10 Get a Bible, but one book that really helped me coming to 06:15 Christ and figuring out who God was, is a book called 06:17 The Desire of Ages. 06:18 It is a book about Christ that unfolds who He is, 06:23 the fact that He loves us. 06:24 What is He offering us? 06:26 What does the Holy Spirit mean? 06:27 What does His righteousness mean? 06:29 What are the victories He has already given me? 06:31 We are going to offer these two books because I can't 06:34 think of any other place that you will get a good 06:36 picture of God. 06:37 On this step I have to have a picture of God because 06:41 I have to turn it over to Him. 06:42 Moving into righteousness by faith, and something 06:46 occurred to me many years ago. 06:47 The text I'm going to use, I will pull it out of context 06:50 a little bit, but it doesn't do violence to the text. 06:52 It's Romans 14:23, summing it up it says that which is 06:58 not a faith is sin. 07:00 That which is not a faith is sin. 07:02 So even if you get the victory on something, say, 07:04 let's just say drinking alcohol. 07:06 That is a sin. 07:07 Say you stop drinking alcohol by the force of your 07:13 will, you still do not get any credit for that. 07:15 First off your righteousness as filthy rags and if it 07:18 is not something that you surrender to the Lord, 07:21 it is just stopping a biological activity. 07:24 It is not a faith based activity so is it not a salvific 07:27 activity, you just stopped drinking. 07:29 But you still haven't gotten, because you don't get 07:32 into heaven because you stopped drinking. 07:33 You did to heaven because you give your life to Christ. 07:36 If you give your life to Christ you will stop drinking. 07:38 So you do not get points for not drinking, you get 07:41 points for coming to Jesus. 07:42 And that people are like I don't know what that means, the guy 07:48 with the Vietnam vet, so he says I am not 07:52 raging at people anymore. 07:53 I don't even grab them by the throat when they 07:55 really make me angry. 07:57 He's not breaking any holes in the walls yet. 08:02 But all that anger, all that stuff, 08:04 everything that's started that rage is still right there. 08:08 So how do I get that out? 08:11 And somebody says well learn how to not be angry. 08:14 Sometimes we are so damaged, God says trust me on this, 08:18 you are so damaged that you are not going to learn 08:21 how not to be angry, you are going to let Me abide in you, 08:24 live in you, come in you, teach you. 08:25 Which is victory, it is not just being angry, you need to 08:29 get the victory over anger. 08:30 I am changed. Precisely I've changed. 08:33 First roll-in I'm going to show you and this is going to 08:35 be fun to just introduce you to these programs. 08:37 The first roll-in, you are going to see three. 08:40 One is a Deliah Brown, she was in a horrible accident, 08:46 just coming back from that, how do I come back from that 08:49 and totally understand who God is? 08:51 Then Jerry Morrison really started to deal with the 08:54 power of prayer, and that man stepped into a Ministry 08:57 which is amazing. 08:58 Melissa and Joe Bates which was really funny to me was 09:01 when she finally surrenders to God and gives it all to God, 09:04 God tells her to wash her dishes. 09:06 That cracked me up. 09:07 So you never know where God is going to start. 09:10 We think He's going to start with our heroine addiction, 09:12 or a rage, or whatever, and He is like no, 09:14 no just go clean your sink. 09:16 So watch this and enjoy this, you will have fun. 09:18 Deliah, mommies here, and she love you whole time, 09:25 and you are not going away leave me. 09:28 And the church's stand up and say, and she say, she 09:32 not hear, and I say yes, yes she is hearing. 09:35 Deliah, I love you, I love you. 09:37 When you walked in what did you see? 09:39 Because it was a serious accident. 09:41 She was covered in blood all over. 09:44 One side there was a Bobcat that fell on her car, 09:51 her car got out of control and go over the other side. 09:53 There was a truck there with a Bobcat that fell on her car. 09:56 They had to cut her out. 09:58 Even when I was at my worst, I was dancing on tables 10:01 for fun, not because I needed the money, in a strip 10:05 club because it was part of our entertainment. 10:08 Doing drugs, and even one I was at my worst I had told 10:12 my mother what I was doing. 10:14 She still prayed for me, she still loved me. 10:16 People told my mother that was my daughter 10:18 I would disown her. 10:19 If that was your daughter I would to, but that is 10:22 my daughter, that is my daughter and God said that is 10:25 my child, that is my child she is my child. 10:28 God had people pray for me when 10:30 I couldn't pray for myself. 10:32 There were some real issues come up, some root issues 10:35 come up, so as you are shining your sink did any of 10:40 those root issues come up to you? 10:42 Yeah because I hate doing my dishes, that is one of 10:45 the things I just hated doing. 10:48 You now, and laundry that was another big thing for me, 10:51 is I just hate those two things. 10:53 So I really have put myself, my wants aside and say 10:58 I'm going to do this. 11:00 I'm going to do it for, because I know it is good for me, 11:04 but also because I know it will be 11:06 a blessing to my family. 11:07 And one of the things my lady says is housework done 11:10 incorrectly still blesses your family. 11:12 And that is what I wanted. 11:14 You know those three programs were fun to do. 11:20 I love the fact that somebody can get hit like Deliah 11:26 and actually stand back up and get her life back together. 11:29 Whole family whole community. 11:31 Gerri going out blessing people, but my favorite program, 11:35 I hate to have favorites because I don't want to offend 11:37 anyone, but it is the fact that when God started to work 11:41 with me 20 something years into recovery when He actually 11:44 starting to get my attention, He told me simple stuff. 11:47 Go wash the dishes, go clean your sink, put some laundry 11:50 in, do this and every day things. 11:53 I used to think of those things as punishment, and He 11:55 said no those everyday things keep you grounded. 11:58 That is life affirming stuff. 11:59 And it returns you to a sense of normalcy, because you're 12:03 normal routine has been craziness. 12:06 So now you are getting too real normalcy. 12:08 You know what? It is really weird, if you go to my house 12:11 most the time, my sink is so shiny and I love it. 12:14 It never was that way, I always had dishes stacked up, 12:17 you know all that kind of stuff and now I really pay 12:20 attention and God was really clear with me. 12:22 Let's just do simple stuff in recovery. 12:24 So on this particular season I want to tell people, 12:28 you know what, keep it simple stupid, no. 12:32 That's like a 12 step thing, keep it simple stupid, 12:36 but it is actually just keep it simple because God, 12:39 not that He is simple, but He is just saying let's 12:42 do a relational thing right now. 12:43 Which is to the everyday stuff and let Me teach you 12:47 to live outside of whatever the addiction is. 12:51 What ever the junk is, He's so amazing at that! 12:54 It is so fantastic, you do not have to go out and 12:57 write a book or get on a lecture tour, 12:59 for now just establish a routine, 13:02 some normalcy in your life. 13:03 Just settle down and deal with becoming you and becoming whole. 13:07 And that is a great step. 13:09 And let God teach you who you are in Christ. 13:11 Sure, sure! 13:12 There is a study, because that sounds so simple, 13:15 but there is a study that says, and we did this 13:18 on the first season talking about the Vesicular-retroflex 13:22 nerve, and it goes from the base of your brain to the 13:25 frontal lobe and it is just one, you have millions 13:27 of other nerves in your head but this is just one. 13:29 This nerve gets damaged with addiction. 13:32 It's like a go kart track, it is this one track that 13:35 takes the information from the animal instincts to the 13:37 part of your brain, to the frontal lobe which 13:39 is the higher reasoning. 13:40 When at track gets damaged you do not get that exchange. 13:44 You do a lot of things out of no self control, 13:47 out of your addiction and all that. 13:49 They found out that that nerve gets repaired in about 13:54 15 months of just simple discipline behavior. 13:58 I'm like, God how funny are You? 14:00 How funny are you? 14:01 Get up clean the sink and do it every day. 14:04 Keep it simple. 14:05 So the next roll-in we are going to talk about, 14:07 which is fun, these programs were fun to do. 14:11 The next one I am going to introduce you to some 14:14 folks that people have seen on 3ABN a lot, 14:16 is Dwight and Debbie Hall they have Remnant Publishing. 14:20 But most people don't know where they came from. 14:23 Where they came from is some pretty intense places. 14:26 Alcoholic, and I never would've thought he was an 14:29 alcoholic, which is really funny. 14:31 His wife said finally, they were very poor starting out. 14:34 And she say can I just have your beer cans and I will 14:37 trade them in and buy stuff with them? 14:39 He still in Ministry, so he's like thinking I don't have 14:42 enough beer cans for you to trade them in. 14:44 She is buying new outfits, and he's like, 14:46 where did you get that outfit? 14:47 From your beer cans! 14:49 So I mean she literally, it is kind of fun to listen to 14:52 where people come from and the fact that God will work 14:55 with you wherever you are at. 14:56 And a lot of times I have to tell people, if you are 14:59 watching this program and are in Ministry and 15:01 still acting out, God is not tired of you. 15:03 He still works with us, which cracks me up, but turn it over 15:08 to Him, don't try to do it on your own, let Him in. 15:12 We are going to be talking to another group, a young 15:16 gang member for New Jersey. 15:17 Incredible story, and he is just such a cool kid. 15:21 Now he is going back and talking with gang members, 15:25 coming back in to the church and 15:26 doing stuff in the church. 15:27 Then a friend of mine, Craig DeMartino, who fell 9 stories, 15:32 9 stories off of a Cliff and landed on his feet. 15:36 So enjoy these. 15:39 I had gone back to public school, but some of my friends 15:42 got kicked out with me, they went to another academy. 15:45 So I begged my mother and father, please let me go. 15:47 I will be good this time and so they finally let me go at 15:50 the beginning of the semester and it wasn't but 9 weeks 15:52 and I was kicked out that academy also. 15:54 Same reasons? 15:55 Taking drugs that time, I was taking drugs and at 15:58 that point in time, I will never forget this and 16:01 I thank God for mothers that care for you 16:03 because I ran away. 16:05 I packed some stuff in my suit case. 16:08 There was this town student that he went to school in 16:11 the dorm and I opened the window up because they were 16:15 going to take me to the hospital just take a urine sample. 16:17 I didn't want to do that. 16:19 So I said listen, can you get me out of this place? 16:21 He said yeah man come on down, so I ran out the 16:24 fire escape and took off. 16:26 I thought I better let my mom know. 16:27 Back then they had the pay phones, it was a little town, 16:30 I got on the payphone and said mom, I'm not coming home. 16:33 She was just crying and she would not let me off that 16:35 phone, she said Dwight I love you, we all make mistakes. 16:37 I said that I had made too many, I have already got 16:39 kicked out twice, I have failed you, 16:41 and I am never coming home again. 16:43 Coming from where you came from, what does that mean? 16:44 What does love mean? 16:45 I can't describe it, I mean it with the exact opposite 16:50 of what I had believed all my life. 16:53 I have lived all my life it was the complete anti- 16:58 street life that I had been accustomed to, 17:03 but somebody would lay down, someone from a high position, 17:07 speaking down to earth from a high position, 17:12 will come down to my level, and die for someone who 17:16 completely doesn't care about them, and do that? 17:19 And it didn't make sense to me, I tossed it, 17:23 I said what is this garbage? 17:25 I can't believe this. 17:26 I see Jesus this is pathetic, why would He do this? 17:30 I look at Him as weak and impotent, and what is this? 17:34 But then it really clicked in my mind when I walked away, 17:37 I said is this love? 17:40 I never understood it, is this really what love is? 17:44 I've never seen this. 17:47 I fell 96 feet and landed standing. 17:50 I shattered, I mean just name it and I broke it. 17:54 I should be a paraplegic I should be dead. 17:57 I should be at a paraplegic, quadriplegic, multiple, 17:59 multiple things. 18:00 But I am not, I am walking, I fully intended on going 18:02 back to the life I had. 18:03 I'm going to climb again, I want to bike again, 18:05 I want to ski again, and I want to be my kids dad. 18:08 I want all those things and I just can't do with this 18:10 body right now, so this is going to help me. 18:12 If they healed me, and I put pants on nobody would 18:16 know anything was different about me. 18:18 If I was walking down the street they wouldn't know. 18:20 What you and God did during that whole rehab time was 18:23 absolutely huge. 18:24 What you are saying it is, I know that He had His hand 18:28 on all of this. 18:29 Right, but I do not know if I would have had the 18:31 courage to step out and go talk to someone and say, 18:33 let me tell you what happened to me, 18:35 Let tell you how God moved in my life. 18:37 I do not know if I would have had that courage. 18:39 You know all you can say Cheri is, Wow! 18:41 You fall 100 feet and you resurrect your life. 18:46 Powerful stuff, you know powerful stuff. 18:49 Dwight, of course I have known Dwight, 18:51 that I did not know. 18:53 And everybody that watched that segment said, we had no 18:56 idea, they were loving on him, and all of a sudden he 19:00 went from being this Ministry leader to this man of God 19:03 who had been saved. 19:05 Again it affirms that God can take anybody at any 19:10 time and in any stage of their life and resurrect them, 19:13 Cheri, can change them. 19:15 That's why over and over again this program is so necessary. 19:19 So life-affirming because there are no disposable people. 19:24 I love that. 19:25 Even when you give up on yourself, 19:27 God does not give up on you. 19:29 He can take what Dwight was to what Dwight now is. 19:32 That is fantastic and life affirming. 19:34 What is really interesting to me, Damien, the young 19:37 gang member, is that this is this young gangster that 19:42 his uncle used to take him in a back room and hit him 19:46 in the face as hard as he could. 19:48 He beat him so that he would be able to survive the 19:51 streets, it was an act of love, it wasn't an act of aggression. 19:55 For him it's like you know you are one skinny dude. 19:57 You are never going to make it. 19:58 So then when somebody like that you step up and start 20:03 to get a sense of recovery as, maybe he even who God is, 20:07 you have no idea who you are. 20:09 So this segment is like, the whole season is like to get 20:13 a sense of that, I do not know who I am, but God does. 20:17 Is He just trying to dress up the flesh? 20:20 Is He just trying to take Cheri and all the stuff I came 20:23 from and just dress it up, or is He literally going to 20:27 re-create in me a child of God, a woman of God. 20:30 Somebody that loves life and can laugh out loud. 20:33 My belief from going through the Bible and meeting God, 20:37 is that He is going to pour His Holy Spirit into me. 20:40 He's going to clothe me to the point that I can actually 20:43 be who He sees me to be. 20:45 I may never have been one day in my life that. 20:48 That is the bright light in this thing. 20:51 We are not talking about, I guess we could call that 20:54 cosmetology, we are not talking about makeup, make over. 20:57 This is not a spiritual Botox. 20:59 I love that. 21:01 This is re-creation from the inside out. 21:03 It is righteousness by faith. 21:05 A faith relationship in the Lord does result in a 21:08 righteous life, so it is from the inside out, 21:12 not from the outside in. 21:13 A used to think even a righteous life sounded really 21:15 lame to me, and I don't mean to say that because I 21:18 don't want to offend anyone. 21:19 Coming from where I came from, 21:20 I'm thinking, man do I even want that? 21:23 I didn't realize for God, I righteous life means 21:27 you get to laugh out loud and like being 21:29 in your own skin. 21:30 People around you, they feel cool being around you. 21:33 Because it is so amazing, it is not behaviorally you 21:35 are doing all the right things and crossing all your 21:38 t's and dotting your I's, or whatever, we think it's that 21:41 God said, no, no, no, if you go back to Isaiah 58. 21:44 Righteousness from God is like you are loving on people. 21:47 You are doing something, involved in the community, 21:49 and your family, and your life. 21:51 It even says in Isaiah 58 and love goes on further and it says 21:55 you will become like a watered garden. 21:57 It would be healthy to be around you. 21:58 So I'm thinking when I first came to Christ, 22:01 and I know you have heard me say this before, 22:03 I thought I want to be like the Church Lady 22:06 from Saturday Night Live. 22:07 With my hair in a bun and got the Bible and 22:10 beating people up with it. 22:11 I think our vision of what it means to be a Christian 22:15 and God's vision is two different things. 22:17 God's vision says I delight in your recovery. 22:19 I want you to feel good in your own skin. 22:22 It's not, Okay, today I will be righteous. 22:25 It is more today I am going to walk with Jesus. 22:29 Righteousness is the natural outgrowth of that walk. 22:32 If you are with Jesus, this stuff is coming, victory 22:36 is coming, and breaking the chains of addiction is coming. 22:38 But it starts with, today I am going to focus on Christ. 22:41 That other stuff just is part of that. 22:43 And asking God who am I? 22:45 Show me who I am today? 22:47 You know what the funny thing is to me? 22:48 It is when He starts to show me and tell me a joke 22:51 with that, and I'm thinking did You just tell me a joke? 22:53 Because that was way funny. 22:55 So I think that this season if I can do anything is to 22:59 get people hooked up to a personal relationship with God 23:03 as a friend, as a husband, as a father, what ever you 23:07 need Him to be in your recovery. 23:10 Trust Him with it, I don't know anything. 23:13 I am not going to trust myself with any of this anymore. 23:16 I'm going to ask You, who am I today? 23:18 And when He tells you to just go wash your sink, 23:20 go wash your sink! 23:22 Okay the next roll-in. 23:24 The next roll-in I think it's amazing too. 23:28 I met, I do some Indian reservations and I love 23:32 American Indians as far as to work with them. 23:35 They have a lot of addiction stuff. 23:37 There is a lot of history with that. 23:39 So there was a couple that I met at 23:41 Holbrook Indian School that talk about their recovery 23:44 and their whole families recovery. 23:46 So one of the programs is Duane and Dr. Janet Claymore, 23:50 amazing, amazing folks. 23:52 The Holbrook Indian school came in, there are some kids 23:55 that did all the testimonies. 23:56 You talk about God stepping in, not only does He step 24:02 in and have to deal with their recovery, 24:04 generationally that recovery. 24:06 I am so proud of Him for that. 24:08 The last one on that particular series cracks me up. 24:12 Oh no, those are the only two on this roll-in. 24:15 So be blessed, incredible ministry, incredible folks. 24:21 We both have priorities that said you half to do this 24:25 if I am going to marry you, you have to do this if 24:28 I'm going to marry you. 24:30 And one of the things that was his priority, 24:32 I had to go to treatment. 24:33 I had to stop my drug use and... 24:40 Wouldn't it be good if we love each other enough that 24:43 when we made friends or fell in love that we said, 24:47 you know I love you too much to watch you destroy 24:50 yourself in this way. 24:51 For you to say that, as I know I cannot have you in 24:56 my life with you relying on these drugs, 24:59 even if they are prescription, 25:01 you have to deal with it. 25:02 Right and so I quit, he had told me his story. 25:07 I thought wow, this is really cool. 25:12 Somebody, really, with this background can quit drinking? 25:16 By the time you get to school you are just full of 25:20 anger, waiting for anyone to say anything? 25:22 Yes, and I was pretty easy too because people there in 25:29 my school weren't the friendliest people. 25:33 What is cutting? What do you mean by that? 25:34 It's like some way to self injury. 25:41 That is pretty much it and every since I was 12 that's when 25:46 I didn't care what my parents think and actually 25:50 blamed everything on myself. 25:52 That if you are good enough they would've left? 25:55 Yeah! 25:57 You know working with the Holbrook Indians school, 26:00 what surprised me about that is that I did a week of 26:02 prayer over there. 26:03 So I am listening to all these kids testimonies and 26:06 some of that you will hear on the program. 26:08 But I am listening to the testimonies and their parents 26:11 are strung out, they are alcoholics, going through court 26:15 battles, and people are due in custody things. 26:17 Some the kids say you do not even know, my parents are 26:21 not even there totally and so that you have God coming in, 26:24 spiritually touching their lives and you can see a change. 26:28 These kids are fabulous. 26:30 So now it is a matter of now God being able to show them that 26:34 they are fabulous. 26:35 Generationally they have been fabulous and if it wasn't 26:37 for their addictions and all that stuff coming into their 26:39 lives, they would have been able to see 26:43 that about themselves. 26:44 Now God is going to have to re-create in them who they are. 26:47 And Cheri as you well know, this has been a community 26:50 that has been particularly hard hit, buy drugs, alcohol, 26:53 unemployment, prostitution, and all that surrounds that stuff. 26:56 They have been knocked out by that. 26:58 For us we are outsiders looking in, but these are people 27:01 who have come out of it and are giving back to it. 27:04 That is really powerful. 27:05 When you stepped in, when I stepped in, 27:07 what was real interesting was that some of the kids 27:09 that you heard from, maybe even in the clip, 27:11 is the fact that they can't even walk to school 27:14 without getting someone tempting them to use. 27:17 So they leave the Holbrook Indian school and they go 27:20 back to the reservation and they have to stay in their 27:23 house or they have to be so protective of themselves 27:26 because they do not want to use again. 27:27 So to make God really has a work. 27:30 But when He wakes them up and shows them who they are, 27:33 they can do things like you said, they will never be 27:36 able to do in that community. 27:38 I get more, more proud of God and what He is capable 27:44 of doing in our lives. 27:46 Because sometimes I look at ourselves when we do our 27:49 recovery, I tried 21 years to do my recovery the best I could. 27:53 I never even hit the regular issue, I hit all, I'm going to 27:57 try to stop lying, stop think in the way I do, 28:00 it is still really difficult. 28:03 I'm going to stop doing heroine. 28:05 I'm going to stop drinking. 28:06 I'm going to stop doing this and I had this 28:07 whole behavioral list. 28:08 Finally after 21 years into my recovery, 28:11 He said you know what Hon! 28:12 You have never let anyone love you. 28:15 You have never trusted anyone in your life. 28:17 He said can we look at that? 28:19 My Palm's started to sweat, 28:21 I'm what are you talking about? 28:23 I don't know. 28:24 I remember all the sudden for Him to, 28:27 it took Him a long time, months, to get me to 28:29 finally start looking at that. 28:30 I realized that that was the issue. 28:33 Because I had never learned to love or be loved. 28:35 He said let's start there. 28:36 When I finally realized that that was the issue, 28:39 He kind of made a joke and said, now you are at step one. 28:41 And I thought about what about these 21 years? 28:44 He said I never went any of those directions. 28:46 So this season we are looking at, can you trust God and 28:50 let Him take the you where He knows you need to start? 28:53 Start here, don't run off in all these different 28:57 directions, let's start here. 28:58 We are going to take a break and come back and show you 29:01 some more roll-ins and tell you what the season is about. 29:03 This is absolutely, and I don't want to say it's the 29:07 coolest season, but it is good. 29:08 We will be right back! |
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