Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Marcia Armstead
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR00086B
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00:14 Welcome back, we're going to continue our discussion
00:18 on rebellion so if anybody out there is feeling that we 00:21 might be talking about you, we might be talking about you. 00:25 I'm going to ask you because I look at you Marcia, I want 00:28 to say first of all thank you for being on the program. 00:31 Oh you are welcome, it's good to be here Cheri. 00:34 When I first talked to you, we were doing a whole other 00:37 thing, we were talking about me coming into Colorado 00:40 Springs to do an event and I was talking to you about 00:43 that and I had heard a little bit about your journey and 00:45 I said you have to come on the program. 00:48 Today we are talking about rebellion and I'm looking at 00:51 you and thinking you couldn't possibly know anything about 00:55 rebellion, look at you. 00:56 Oh no, I know a lot about that subject, yes I do. 01:01 Isn't it funny? So talk about that. 01:02 Well you know I was born in Jamaica West Indies. 01:06 I had the wonderful privilege of coming here to the 01:09 United States when I was 12, but I was always a very 01:13 well studied student in Sabbath school. 01:16 Loved to study my Sabbath school lesson and know 01:19 how to present at how to answer the questions 01:22 when church time came. 01:25 My teachers would always say you're going to marry 01:29 a preacher someday and I didn't like that. 01:33 Because I'm thinking how adorable is that, you're like 01:36 no it was not. - oh no. 01:39 So that is something you said, I don't want to marry 01:41 a preacher. -. - no I don't want to marry a preacher 01:43 because I saw that as being very restrictive. 01:46 I saw that as if my if I marry a preacher I won't be 01:49 able to do this and I won't be able to do that and so 01:53 I never wanted to marry a preacher. 01:55 The more that my teacher said it the more rebellious 01:59 I became, so I listened to your introduction and I 02:02 thought wow that was me and it started when I was young. 02:06 To be very rebellious. 02:08 What is interesting to me is that the Bible talks about 02:11 fighting against the schemes of the devil. 02:14 Like the devil sets up schemes in your life and it 02:17 sounds like for you the scheme was set really early. 02:20 Let's just put this kind of aversion here and have 02:23 everybody talk about it. 02:25 Hear everybody say you're some day. - some day you're going to 02:29 be a preacher's wife and so I grew up praying actually 02:32 I felt that perhaps it could be true so I started to pray 02:36 and said Lord please help me that I will never marry 02:39 a preacher. So when I did get married, I married when 02:42 I was 21 years old he was not a preacher. 02:46 My husband had just returned from the war in Vietnam 02:49 and he proposed and later we got married. 02:52 He says you know I've been a medic in the service so 02:55 I think I'm going to college and do pre-med. 02:58 So he went into the premed program in college 03:02 and a year later, - I just have to say for you it must have 03:06 been incredible, you're going to marry a Doctor and you 03:09 are really bright so that must have felt perfect. 03:12 A year later he changed his curriculum and said Honey 03:15 I have something to tell you. I said what? 03:18 He said I'm changing to theology. 03:21 And you're like no don't even do it. 03:25 But I never told him through the years of courting and 03:29 dating I never told him that I didn't like preachers or, 03:33 I liked preachers but I just didn't want to marry one. 03:37 So he never knew that, so at the time he told me he was 03:41 going to be a theology major and he wanted to be 03:45 a preacher my heart sunk. 03:48 Did you feel that rebel waking up? - yes. 03:52 Did you feel that rebel? That rebellion sense of - I didn't 03:57 even identify it as rebellion, I really didn't but at the time 04:01 I made decision at that time that what ever a pastors 04:06 wife was supposed to do, whatever a theology student's 04:10 wife was expected to do, I was going to do the opposite. 04:14 But I didn't want to call it rebellion. - yes. 04:17 I thought this was normal because God, You have 04:20 disappointed me, You know that I didn't want to 04:23 marry a Pastor, - yeah. 04:25 I have prayed to You, what are You doing? Did You fall 04:30 asleep up there? To me I really love the fact that when 04:34 that rebellion sets in, it sets in. I will not do it. 04:38 I love what you're saying, I'm going to do the opposite, 04:41 not only am I going to do it, I'm going to do the opposite. 04:46 That seed is set and all of a sudden the devil, I believe 04:50 the devil himself loves that because he knows I have your 04:55 heart. - it was a silent rebellion. 04:58 My husband is now deceased but we were married for 23 05:02 years and for 17 of those 23 years he was a Pastor. 05:06 I was a very dutiful pastors wife and I use the word 05:10 dutiful because I did do the things that were expected 05:13 from his congregants, I did do the right things as far as 05:17 the church was concerned, but that silent rebellion 05:21 was always inside of me. 05:24 I love to type I can do wonderful church bulletins, and 05:29 a lot of things like letter writing and things like that. 05:33 My husband knew that, but every time we went to a new 05:38 church I would say to him, honey please do not ask me 05:42 to type the bulletins for your church. I will not do it. 05:46 But I always ended up doing it because he always asked me 05:50 to do it so I was dutiful and I responded to that, but the 05:53 rebellion was still there. 05:55 So Marcia one of the things that I want to ask you, 05:58 if you could share with us, is that I know for someone 06:02 who is locked in rebellion one of things I noticed as 06:05 we counsel as we work with people from all walks of life, 06:10 is their joy and their ability to give and receive love 06:13 starts to diminish. Did you feel that through the years? 06:18 Did you feel kind of? - oh no, no I gave love, I gave 06:22 what ever was expected of me, but sometimes I felt it 06:26 was pretentious because in my heart I didn't want to be 06:31 in that arena, I didn't want to do those things. 06:35 I would go to camp meetings and the older woman or the 06:39 pastors wives would say are you going to be here for the 06:43 full 10 days? I would say no I will be working. 06:46 I'm only here for today, this is the Sabbath and I'm here 06:50 for today. Then I get to go home and felt satisfied that 06:53 I was being rebellious but here's something I can choose 06:57 to do, I don't have to be at camp meeting for 10 days. 07:01 And that rebellion continued to build, I could see it was 07:06 building, I never had any psychological help with it 07:10 because it was so silent, so no one knew 07:12 I was going through that. 07:13 It was even a blind spot for you - yes, yes definitely. 07:18 So tell me looking back on it now, what did it look like, 07:22 if you know what I mean that you know you said it looked 07:26 a little bit in the fact that I did it because I knew 07:30 I was supposed to do this, I'm supposed to be loving, 07:34 I'm supposed to be caring, I'm supposed to slow down 07:37 enough to take care of you right now. 07:39 Now looking back on it I sort of regret it, 07:43 that I was rebellious. 07:45 One of the things I didn't do as a pastors wife, I did 07:48 not go with my husband to visit the sick, I did not go with him 07:52 to cheer up a family, I would always say honey you just need 07:56 to ask the deacons to go with you because I'm not going. 07:59 - it's not my job. - it's not my job, yeah and the 08:04 regret was that when my husband was dying, he died a few 08:08 years ago, - he had leukemia? - he had leukemia yes. 08:12 So he died from that but the day before he died at the 08:17 hospital where he was I called the Pastor because we were 08:20 in another town it wasn't our town because he had gone 08:24 there for his surgery. 08:25 I said to the Pastor my husband doesn't appear to have 08:30 a lot of time left would you come? 08:33 The Pastors said you know I'm in a school board meeting but 08:39 I will wrap it up and get their just as soon as I can. 08:42 As I was sitting and waiting for him I was watching 08:46 the elevator and when the elevator door opened his wife 08:50 came out of the elevator. 08:52 I said what are you doing here and she said my husband 08:57 called me and stated that he was needed but he is delayed 09:01 and so I came and she touched my hand and said 09:05 Marcia it's going to be all right. 09:08 Then she hugged my mother-in-law who was waiting in the 09:10 hallway and then she moved very cautiously into my 09:14 husband's room and she stood and prayed with him until 09:19 her husband arrived, the Pastor. 09:21 It was that day that I realized the effectiveness of a 09:26 pastors wife, the efficacy, what it could have been for 09:31 me, the satisfaction that I could have brought to 09:35 families, to other families all those years and 09:39 I didn't and that truly touched my heart. 09:42 Yes, so that would be my only regret now because 09:46 I did everything that a pastors wife seemingly should 09:49 have done, but my heart it wasn't there fully. 09:54 I love you saying that because one of the things that 09:58 we are looking at this season is the fact that 10:01 we are robbed by our stuff - yes a wonderful experience. 10:05 Exactly and I think all of heaven just says please trust 10:09 Me on this and surrender this because the joy you will 10:13 feel standing in your giftings, because it really is your 10:16 giftings. - yes, I'm enjoying that now and I took a 10:21 complete turnaround when God, when I surrender that God. 10:24 So talk about that turnaround. 10:27 Because your husband didn't survive. 10:29 - Right he didn't survive but prior to his illness he 10:33 survived for six months after he was diagnosed God gave 10:36 me a ministry of my own. 10:39 One day He just said, I think He said to Himself, 10:44 I'm going to have to wake her up and stop being rebellious 10:48 and I have to do something. 10:50 Okay let me just say because we can't be fully used 10:55 with our junk. God says I want to pour all of heaven 10:59 into you, however I can't because that rebellion 11:04 and you won't let Me. 11:06 I want to know because this is terrible I want to know 11:09 every detail, I want to know how He got through because 11:13 rebellion is hard to get through, we have a heart of 11:16 stone almost and do not know what but God has to bring 11:20 in, like the Bible says a heart of flesh. 11:22 I'm going to give you a heart of flesh - out of stone. 11:25 So how did that look and don't leave anything out. 11:29 Okay, I may have to leave one or two things out. 11:32 But what happened to me was after many, many years living 11:38 that silent rebellious life I took ill with insomnia. 11:43 I could not sleep naturally for eight months. 11:46 - 8 months? Eight months and I thought I would die. 11:50 Because people don't realize you are sad and crazy 11:54 and tired, I mean you were robbed totally 11:59 when you can't sleep. 12:00 Well of course, I always say the three things that are 12:03 most precious to me are my friendships, my sleep, and my 12:06 ministry, so sleep was a very important thing in my life. 12:10 For that to be taken away from me, it was one of the 12:14 hardest things I had ever been through. 12:16 So I just couldn't sleep, I worked in a high-tech job for 12:20 the federal government and I was required to be alert and 12:25 knowledgeable and I was I never was sleepy day or night. 12:30 I drove 60 miles to work each day. 12:33 So after about seven months I went to a Doctor and he put 12:39 me on some sleeping pills and that was not helpful at all. 12:44 Because you really don't sleep, you may be out for 12:47 a little while but you are not really sleeping that 12:49 satisfying rest. 12:51 You go through stages of sleep. - yes, yes. 12:53 So one day I went to sleep clinic at the hospital and 12:58 they connected me with those things that they put all 13:02 in your head and I slept in the hospital that night. 13:07 The next morning the results were that you slept fine, 13:12 you slept for five hours without any drugs and as 13:18 we monitored you, you were sleeping fine. 13:20 So can I move in? 13:24 So that day they dismissed me from the hospital and as 13:28 I stood outside the hospital Cheri I actually felt the 13:32 organs of my body all in an uproar like they were unhappy. 13:37 I could feel my kidneys, liver, all the parts just 13:41 rumbling inside and I stood and looked up to the sky and 13:45 said my God I'm either going to live or die, but if You 13:50 let me live I will serve You for the rest of my life. 13:54 And I was delivered and I started sleeping after that 13:59 prayer I went home and started sleeping like a baby. 14:05 Is that the sense that all of a sudden I'm giving or 14:09 surrendering the whole rebellion and I will do what 14:13 ever You ask me to do. - what ever You asked me to do. 14:17 I want to say that people talk about willpower, actually 14:22 it is our will and God's power and we always say He will 14:26 give us the power. 14:28 He doesn't give us the power, He is the power and 14:31 you have got to give your will to Him and He will 14:34 in turn fix it for you. 14:36 And that's such a, you know that is such a joy in that 14:40 kind of surrender because I'm not trying to muster up 14:45 it within myself something. 14:47 Am I am saying, God I recognize Your power and I know 14:51 You can do this. 14:53 So I know this answer, but I want to hear your take on it. 14:59 What feelings did you feel when you are able to let that 15:06 rebellion go? - oh what happened is that God changed 15:11 my entire life and I became a new woman that day. 15:16 He started by changing the music I listen to in my car. 15:20 Traveling long distances back and forth to work I was 15:24 listening to classic, I love country and western music 15:27 which was not healthy for me because I love the lyrics. 15:31 Those were not good at all and after that day, that full 15:36 surrender to God those types of music were distasteful 15:40 to me and I began playing hymns in my car. 15:44 Old-time gospel music in my car, because I was brought up 15:48 on old-time gospel back in the islands. 15:51 It was a real connection with God. Isn't it funny that even 15:54 with country music there is a lot of rebellion in country 15:57 and for a lot of us especially with a rebellious nature we are 16:02 drawn towards music that, like I remember my favorite song 16:08 growing up was a song called my life, it's my life, 16:10 you can do whatever you want but this is my life and 16:13 I'll do what I want to do kind of thing. 16:15 So we are drawn to music that really talks on our 16:18 rebellion and you said that God pulled you to music that 16:21 talks about your surrender and His love for you. 16:24 Yes, and I started getting more serious about reading the 16:27 Bible, reading inspirational literature, reading my 16:31 devotional thoughts and God opened up a whole new world 16:34 for me. - what did you find in there? 16:36 Well I found I was getting closer to God and I was 16:40 listening to His voice, He was actually speaking to me. 16:44 Before my husband's illness and his death He had showed 16:48 it to me in a vision so I was so close to God that 16:52 He started now telling me how my life was going to be. 16:55 As He showed me that vision about my husband's death, 16:59 I did not see death I thought it was a wonderful thing 17:02 that was going to happen to our family, but I did not 17:05 know it was his dying. 17:07 But God was so good to me, He prepared me for 17:10 my husband's death and He led me through it and then 17:13 He opened up a Ministry for me. 17:15 What is the ministry? Because you have talked about 17:16 that a couple times. 17:17 Yes, the complete woman/man seminars is what we have been 17:21 doing now for almost 18 years. 17:24 It is the ministry I love and we started doing group 17:27 seminars. 17:28 - but what is it? - oh we call ourselves a 17:32 consulting service and we talk to people around the 17:35 country and the world if we could get to the world, but we 17:40 do on our Internet about self esteem and letting them know 17:44 that there is no self esteem without Christ esteemed. 17:48 He has to be the most important person in your life. 17:51 So tell me why, did you get in the ministry because of 17:55 what you went through with your own journey? 17:59 Oh no, I did not get into ministry but it got into me. 18:03 After my full surrender to God I was on my way to work 18:07 one morning, and this was three weeks after 18:10 I was fully healed from the insomnia. 18:12 The Holy Spirit came to me in my car and said you said 18:15 you would serve God for the rest of your life here 18:19 is what I want you to do. 18:20 The name of the seminar the complete woman, that is 18:24 how we started was impressed in my mind and I grabbed a 18:28 pad of paper I had my car and a pen and I wrote it down. 18:32 On the way to work, when I finally got to my place of 18:36 employment I had the ministry on paper. 18:39 If I say to you what am I going to gain, what are you 18:42 going to teach me, what is going to be different about 18:45 me with what you share with me? 18:47 It's a ministry where we go in and talk with someone who is 18:53 having low self-esteem problems, who's having 18:56 rebellion problems, they usually come out not the same 19:02 person that they were before we came in. 19:05 What God showed me was you cannot use books, you cannot 19:10 use ideas from psychologists. I need you to go to My word 19:14 and show men and women how to develop the inner beauty that 19:18 I want them to exemplify and God took us to 19:21 the Beatitudes, Matthew Chapter 5. 19:24 From the Beatitudes we developed an inner beauty 19:29 program to show men and women how to be different people and 19:33 how to relate to one another, how to develop tolerance levels, 19:38 how to create good interpersonal relationships. 19:40 You will have to come to a seminar 19:43 so can get all the teachings. 19:45 As you talk or think about that I know that in our 19:49 rebellion, in our whether is rebellion or low self- 19:54 esteem or whatever it is that if I am responding to the 19:58 world from all that, I am never going to fully connect 20:01 with the people around me and so it sounds like even in 20:05 your own healing is that as you let that go, is 20:09 I can really developed into the total woman, a woman God 20:12 has created me to be. 20:14 I have to be able to drop my, for one my anger, my bitterness, 20:21 my unforgiveness, my disappointments. 20:25 That is what the Beatitudes talks about, I am able to read 20:28 that God has allowed me to be able to go into His word 20:33 and read the King James version and develop a contemporary 20:38 presentation based on the teachings from the Bible. 20:42 I've been into secular environments and done those 20:45 seminars, at the end someone would say, I know you got that 20:49 from the Bible. You see we going to places where they don't 20:53 want us to talk about the Bible, but they do know that we 20:56 are a Christian organization. - that's cool - yeah. 20:59 It's wonderful what God does. 21:02 So now that you are in ministry it's almost like you have 21:07 come full circle in that not only did you marry a Pastor, 21:12 but now you are a teacher with pastoral gifts more than 21:15 likely. - yeah, because I've been a hospital chaplain 21:19 for seven years and the friends who knew me when I was 21:22 married said I thought you didn't go to hospitals, 21:26 how did you become a chaplain? 21:28 But that is what God has done, completely turned my life 21:31 around to do those things I should have done but now 21:34 I am doing them, I didn't do them when He wanted me to. 21:37 But now that He has taken my rebellious spirit I am 21:40 able to serve Him and serve Him in a way that pleases Him. 21:44 I didn't know you were a chaplain how did that come about 21:49 I was bored in Sabbath school one morning and I said Lord 21:53 I have been listening to these wonderful messages from 21:57 Your word and I'm not sharing it, could You tell me what 22:01 to do, I'm not having a very successful outreach program. 22:05 The Holy Spirit said get up get in your car and I started 22:09 driving around the city of Colorado Springs and I landed 22:12 at the parking lot at one of the hospitals. 22:16 I just went in and I said to the charge nurse I'm here to 22:21 visit patients, are there any patients that have 22:25 no family members, no one visiting them that I could 22:29 go in and pray with? 22:31 The charge nurse said on the top three floors allowed me 22:36 to do it and when I got to the third floor the 22:39 charge nurse said you cannot visit patients in this 22:42 hospital, this is a high profile hospital 22:45 and you need an ID. 22:47 So I pulled out my Colorado Springs drivers license. 22:51 She said no you need an ID from the hospital that 22:55 you are to see my patients. 22:57 I felt very rejected and insulted and when I went home 23:01 the Holy Spirit showed me that it was the best thing she 23:04 could have ever done for me, it protected me and so that 23:08 Monday morning I went into the chaplain's office and 23:11 asked how I could be a volunteer chaplain. 23:13 Through outside training, through training from the 23:17 hospital I became a hospital chaplain and that 23:20 is a marvelous story. 23:22 That is incredible, it is an incredible journey that God 23:24 says I know who you are, I know who you are since 23:27 you were a little girl, I saw you in Sabbath school, 23:30 I saw the rebellion kick in, I saw all that stuff and 23:34 even bringing you to the point where I love the fact 23:37 that the elevator door opened and the pastors wife came 23:41 out and you said, I could have been doing this and 23:45 now you are doing that. 23:47 When you talk about your role in your ministry, 23:51 especially the ministry as a chaplain, talk about 23:55 some of the ways God blesses you in that work? 23:58 I'll tell you I was an on-call chaplain for a while 24:03 and one Sunday morning I woke up I was on call from 24:08 7 a.m. Sunday to 4 p.m. that afternoon. 24:11 My phone rang at 7 a.m. and right then I realized that 24:15 there was something undone either by the shift before me 24:18 or something they couldn't do, or something was undone. 24:22 - right because it was so quick. 24:23 Because that was called at exactly 7 o'clock and 24:25 they said there was a project for you. 24:26 So when she called me she said Marcia, though she said 24:30 chaplain Marcia are you still at home and I said yes. 24:34 She said we need you right away at the hospital. 24:36 I said I will be there in 20 minutes. 24:38 On the way to the hospital I said now Lord I'm not 24:41 equipped for whatever it is I'm going to see but 24:44 I want You to guide me and show me what I can do 24:47 to solve this problem. 24:49 So when I went to the desk I said to the charge nurse 24:53 what is the problem? 24:55 She said that this gentleman's wife has died and 24:59 he will not release her body to the mortuary. 25:03 He was sitting there by his deceased wife just looking at 25:07 her and she said chaplain I don't know what you can do. 25:11 I didn't know either but I went into the room and made 25:16 my introduction I said to the widower, 25:19 what is happening with you today? 25:21 He said chaplain my brother died two weeks ago and 25:26 everyone has told me he is in hell. 25:30 I said how did he die? He said he died from an overdose. 25:35 He was OD and committed suicide and he said I will not let 25:40 my wife go until someone tells me that 25:44 she's not going to hell. 25:46 And sooner than right now, faster than immediately the 25:51 Holy Spirit said tell him that I do not judge the act 25:56 I judge the motive and he will never know whether his 26:01 brother is in heaven or hell unless he plans 26:05 to go to heaven. 26:07 And as the Spirit gave me those words I relayed them to 26:10 him and he then took the sheet and he pulled it over 26:14 his wife's face. 26:16 That's just one example. - that he was comforted by 26:20 the truth. - yes and he said to me chaplain 26:24 why couldn't anyone have told me that before? 26:28 So I know that God is pleased with my work, I know that 26:31 when you surrender and give it all to Him He will 26:34 change your life around. 26:38 We're going to open up the discussion to include those in 26:43 the café because I know that you have a friend that has 26:47 known you for a long time, Greta. 26:49 I know that you guys have known each other for a long 26:52 time and that you met while she was doing ministry and 26:55 I would like first of all for you to tell us a little 26:59 about yourself and then how did you guys meet and what 27:02 was that relationship about? 27:03 Hi Cheri my name is Greta Hamilton and I have known Marcia 27:07 for 11 years, we have known each other for quite a long 27:12 time. I retired from the military 20 years ago and that 27:17 is where I met Marcia in a less part of my retirement, 27:22 getting close to my retirement. 27:24 It's funny because you say you retired from the military, 27:26 I would guess you were a model not military. 27:29 That is funny. - no I was in the military for 20 years. 27:33 It was the last part of my career that I met Marcia, and I 27:36 think that was probably one of the lowest points 27:38 professionally and personally in my life and the way we met 27:42 I believe God orchestrates everything because I have been 27:46 running from God for so long. 27:48 I had really been in rebellion from Him because He really 27:51 wanted to bring me in and I had been raised as a 27:54 Christian all my life but like my mother said, I was 27:57 straddling the fence and she said you have to decide if 28:01 you're going to serve man or God. 28:03 The Lord broke me and He orchestrated my surrender to the 28:08 point - can I say that when you talk about in rebellion, 28:11 what did your rebellion look like because we have talked 28:15 about rebellion this whole program? 28:16 My rebellion in specifics really is not fully serving God. 28:22 Not being in a unhealthy relationships that I knew God 28:27 didn't want me to be in, that weren't uplifting Him and 28:32 definitely was dragging me down. 28:34 So what the Lord did was He caused a separation. 28:38 He denied me a promotion which I thought was probably 28:41 the most devastating thing in my life, but it turned out 28:44 to be probably the most positive thing. 28:47 Because even those negative things He allows to bring 28:51 you closer - to wake you up - oh He woke me up, I was 28:55 devastated, I was so devastated. 28:56 A friend was going to a retreat and I remember her telling 29:02 me in order to get over this you have to seek God. 29:06 You have to keep seeking Him. 29:07 So I beg to go with her to this retreat and we went. 29:11 I happened to notice that Marcia was there, I didn't 29:14 realize she was the speaker. 29:15 I'm a very shy person and I saw her sitting there and 29:22 something said go talk to her, go talk to her. 29:26 My first hesitancy was that I didn't want to go talk to 29:29 her, but she was sitting there so inviting and I went. 29:33 I sat and I talked with her, I was talking to her about 29:36 myself and about how God was dealing with me and how 29:39 I was feeling like I know He wants me to do something 29:43 but I don't want to do it. 29:45 I fought God, I fought God is to be in into any kind 29:49 of ministry but she listened more so than anything else. 29:52 It's self, you have got to move self. 29:56 As I listened to that and those around her because I was 30:00 not a Seventh-day Adventist when I met her, and she never 30:03 came out and said I was a Seventh-day Adventist but the 30:07 way she lived her life, when she talked about that she 30:09 was in rebellion I would have never have seen that. 30:12 I would never have saw it because she was a godly woman. 30:16 She never pushed anything at me, but I watched the way 30:19 she lived her life and I started going with her to church. 30:23 It was such a silent evangelism that she had that it 30:29 drew me to the faith. 30:31 I love that whole thing and I love the fact that what 30:35 you're saying is that you didn't see the rebellion in 30:39 her at all so God had brought you to a point to where 30:42 people around you, they are saying rebellion are you 30:46 kidding me, she is a godly woman. 30:48 But there is something else that Greta said that 30:50 I would like you to address if you could Marcia. 30:53 That's where she talked about the self, that little 30:56 self that pops up and really wants our way, and wants 30:59 what we want, and we want it now and all that stuff. 31:02 Part of giving up the rebellion is to deal with self. 31:07 What it is, is that we think what life is about us. 31:10 It is not all about us. - excuse me can I write that 31:16 down? Life is the journey, the path that God has put 31:20 you on for this journey that He wants you to fulfill. 31:24 He is the major part of that journey. 31:29 He wants you to do what He would like for you to do. 31:33 He knows what your desires are, because what is really 31:37 interesting to me is what I found out is that there is 31:41 a place in Matthew, the message Bible says in Matthew 7 31:44 that when you fully see God you fully see yourself. 31:48 That behind our full vision of God is actually who 31:51 He knows we are and all the giftings that we have. 31:54 I think that we run thinking we know what we are running 31:57 to and God says oh Hon, you're running the wrong way. 32:01 Yes, and we really don't see clearly what God has for us 32:05 but the Scripture says in Matthew 6:33, "seek ye first 32:09 "the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these 32:13 "things shall be added unto you." 32:15 The question comes what things? 32:17 You will never know what things until you seek Him first. 32:20 That's amazing - that is what I encourage men and women 32:23 to do. - that is amazing. 32:26 I want to say thank you so much for being on the program. 32:29 I had a blast and I love watching how God works with 32:33 people and I love how He works with you in your rebellion. 32:36 Yes it was a pleasure and I'm glad I was able to come. 32:39 Thank you for everything. 32:41 Okay I hope to see you again, we are going to go ahead 32:44 and take a break and come back for the close so do not 32:47 go anywhere, stay with this we will be right back! |
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