Participants: Cheri Peters (Host), Brad Peters
Series Code: CLR
Program Code: CLR00090A
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00:37 It is so fun to be here today.
00:41 Today is really amazing to me because I get to have 00:43 my husband on again, and I had him on last season. 00:45 What was really fun about bringing him back is the last 00:48 season we talked about his personal journey. 00:51 He is a new Christian, new at all that stuff and we have 00:55 been married 22 years so I have been praying for a long 00:58 time for him to figure it out. 01:00 Sorry babe. But I have been praying for a long time 01:04 about that stuff, but man, what is interesting to me 01:08 about man is once you guys get it, you get it. 01:11 I love that but that has been true for Brad over the last 01:14 year so Brad first of all I want to tell you thank you 01:17 so much for being back on the program. 01:19 We are really going to cover some more of your journey. 01:22 That we are and I am really excited about it. 01:24 It's kind of funny, I've had opportunity to see some 01:27 of the people I met last year and it has really been fun. 01:30 Ben, and some other folks. - you're like family here now. 01:33 It's starting to be and that's really cool, but it is fun 01:35 to be able to walk up to someone and say, you know I 01:38 actually believe from last year I'm a different person. 01:40 And to believe that, it is one thing to say it but it is 01:43 another thing to believe it. 01:44 That will be some of the things who were talking about is 01:46 what is different in how did that happen? 01:48 Exactly, so I just want you guys to know that in the café 01:52 we are going to, on the second half really open it up for 01:55 questions because I know that what Brad is going to share 01:58 some of the stuff he really looked at as far as his own 02:01 recovery, and the things that were driving him. 02:04 Not the behavior so much, but the emotions that were 02:07 driving those behaviors. 02:09 If you have any of those, let's talk about some of that 02:12 in the second half, but right now when you say Brad, that 02:15 you are different from last year to this year, first fill 02:19 us in on where you were at last year and what started 02:24 the difference in what is the difference? 02:26 Okay, to me this is really a fun story - and don't lie 02:29 because I am your wife, I'll know. 02:32 Remember a was a Boy Scout, wait that's this one. 02:37 Anyway, so again for the people who may have seen the show 02:40 last year we talked about the fact that I was starting to 02:43 understand what it meant to stand up as the head of the 02:46 household and what God expects from us in terms of spiritual 02:48 covering and some of those things. 02:50 So throughout the course of the year as I started to 02:53 try and do that, I stumbled around, getting one of my model 02:57 weevils, the little toy weevils would wobble but they 02:59 won't fall down, - that was you all year round. 03:02 That was me wobbling around trying to figure out how to do 03:05 this was to start discover that there were times when 03:09 well almost like I'm not feeling something, or trying to 03:12 really feel that an even to the point, there was one point 03:15 this year and I know you will be comfortable talking 03:17 about it as well, well I think you will be comfortable 03:19 talking about this. 03:21 When we actually came to a place, when you look at me 03:24 and were asking for something from me that I wasn't providing. 03:28 What was real interesting was that I had to try 03:31 and assess was I or was I not providing that. 03:33 If I wasn't how come, what was getting in the way of 03:37 all that, in fact what was even getting in my way with 03:40 my walk with God? 03:41 It was like I so want to be this person, and I wanted 03:45 to do that and yet sometimes I think okay, I say that 03:49 in my head but am I feeling it in my heart? 03:51 Right, and let me just say a couple of things that were 03:56 really interesting and one of the things when Brad and 04:00 I started to really work together in ministry, your 04:04 growing as a Christian and I just looked at him and your 04:06 are going to have to get into counseling first because 04:09 we talked about this last time, if we are going to work 04:12 together let's find out how to communicate and those kind 04:14 of things. So we talked about that. 04:16 But in a counseling session they were trying to get me 04:20 to think of an incident that would really talk about the 04:25 fact that I kept saying, he just doesn't hear me. 04:27 They said, what do you mean by that? 04:30 Well for the last 11 years, it's a long time right? 04:35 For the last 11 years he would ask me, Cheri what do 04:40 you want to do for your birthday? 04:41 And I would say, anything but the state fair, because 04:47 he takes me to the state fair every year. 04:49 I don't know about you, and I don't want to rag on the 04:51 state fair, but I hate them if you know what I mean? 04:54 I don't like going, I don't like the rides because I get 04:57 motion sick, the only thing I like to do is looking at 04:59 quilts and stuff, I don't know why I like those things. 05:02 He doesn't like those, so it never works out, 05:05 anything but the state fair. 05:07 And every year he says, you're not going to believe this 05:10 but I just got a paid gig at the state fair on your 05:14 birthday, so that will cover all the costs and we can go. 05:17 Every year, for 11 years and I'm thinking so every year 05:21 I say I don't want to go, and every year you get a job. 05:24 It pays for our entire day at the state fair and every year 05:27 on my birthday I'm there. 05:29 So in counseling we started talking about that and I 05:32 tell the counselor and I look at Brad and he has tears in 05:35 his eyes and he said, you don't like the state fair? 05:39 I said I have been saying that every year for 11 years. 05:42 But it was really interesting, when you say you were 05:45 locked up and didn't hear and didn't feel, we are talking 05:49 really locked up because when you got it you looked right 05:52 at me and said I'm so sorry. 05:55 That is one of the things that we want here today is, 05:59 is looking at some of the underlying things. 06:01 As men we are raised a certain way, or told a certain 06:06 thing and society says you need to conform to these 06:11 certain standards if you're going to be a man. 06:13 We get that from society, we get there from our own 06:17 fathers about that - you got that, definitely. 06:20 I definitely got it in a couple different ways which 06:23 jumping ahead a little bit as Cheri and I were counseled in a 06:28 certain area and decided to get some training in that area. 06:33 We had the opportunity to explore more about 06:35 this process and what goes on in what it really means 06:38 to love someone, that's a part of it. 06:40 What does it really mean to love someone? 06:41 To start to discover that what you think in your head is 06:45 entirely different than what you feel in your heart. 06:48 People may realize this or feel this, but I'm asking 06:52 you to really love me, not realizing that I do not know 06:55 how to receive love. - right, right! 06:57 You're saying I don't I give it, so we were in a mess. 07:01 Weevils, wobbling around trying to figure out how to do it. 07:04 There's a lot of people out there that are in 07:06 relationships and they are saying you know what? 07:08 I hear what you are saying and I know you need something 07:10 from me but I don't really know how to give it. 07:12 When a person starts to give it, if you're really damaged and 07:16 you don't know how to receive it so how stuck are you? 07:19 If you see a diagram of this man and woman, it is not only 07:23 can you be loved, can you get love? 07:27 Can you receive love? - yeah and we were really right 07:29 there. - we were absolutely right there and then it 07:32 was real interesting to have this concept presented to 07:35 you that, in my case, was like well your heart is bound 07:39 up, you know in some capacity that something, and most of 07:42 the time we discover this is not the event itself but 07:46 something happened to where you weren't able to feel 07:50 things to a certain extent and or in doing so not able 07:53 to actually love someone on an emotional basis and to 07:57 connect on that level. 07:58 When you talk about being intimate and that connection, 08:01 that God really intends for us, it's so total, it's body, mind, 08:05 and spirit. - because you could fix things and do things you do 08:08 projects, but to actually love, or be present with someone. 08:11 In my family that is what men did, if you love someone 08:13 you did things for them and so we have Project, Project, 08:16 Project, but the project doesn't really care for the persons 08:20 heart and doesn't necessarily meet their emotional needs. 08:23 So through this exploration process, this is looking at 08:26 a couple different things, and I'm going to bring this in too, 08:29 is how do I do that? What's interfering with my process, 08:33 to love my wife, to love God, to love myself? 08:36 You start running into these things, well I can go here 08:39 but I can't do that because it makes me mad. 08:41 Well okay I'll try this one, well that's stupid, that makes 08:44 me mad too, and after a little while okay wait a minute 08:47 this anger thing keeps popping up. 08:51 How come I get angry? There were times when you would 08:54 get angry with me and I will get angry with you and the 08:57 anger thing comes back up and start looking at that. 08:59 Well, what is the source of that? 09:01 Then again the Bible is real clear about being able to 09:05 communicate with God in cleansing our bodies, cleansing 09:09 our temple in order to be able to communicate. 09:11 Okay so now I'm eating healthier food, fine that's good. 09:14 I get mad at the people that don't. 09:19 It's really funny because when you have anger issues, 09:22 if anybody can relate to this, just think about that? 09:25 When you have anger issues, everything brings those up. 09:29 So like you did start eating healthier, driving healthier, 09:32 being healthier and studying the Bible and now everybody 09:36 that is not doing that is wrong and I can express my anger 09:40 at, so we went into a counseling in session one time, 09:43 we were talking to this guy and he said, what kind of 09:47 things make you angry? And Brad and I just busted up. 09:51 So finally Brad said,- you mean besides everything? - everything 09:55 And it sounds like we're fighting all the time, that's 09:59 not the case, the underlying stuff that kept coming up 10:02 was this hostility, this defiance. 10:05 So for me, and it was a curious thing because it was like how 10:08 come when Cheri would do something on that rare occasion 10:11 she would happen to do something that would cause me to 10:14 get irritated, a rare occasion. 10:17 - Just once in a while. - How come all the sudden my reaction 10:20 is anger? How come I don't laugh uncontrollably? 10:22 Or how come I don't start crying or whatever? 10:24 Or how come I just can't brush it off? 10:26 Or would someone cut me off in traffic I would get angry? 10:29 So all of a sudden it was like I think I have an issue 10:32 here and as we processed through that, and by God's grace 10:36 He put someone in front of us that was absolutely the 10:39 perfect person to help process through that. 10:40 We went through exactly the same thing. - exactly! 10:43 It helped me to take a look at that, and as I was able 10:46 to really shed myself of the anger, I was able to look 10:49 at some of these other issues that were binding up my 10:53 heart and preventing me from loving you, and loving God. 10:56 That was real cool. The imagery, at one point we went 10:59 through some imagery and it was like is God there? 11:03 Can you see Jesus? I was like yeah but I can't feel Him, 11:06 He can't touch me because I can't feel. I can't feel. 11:10 That was a crazy place. 11:11 Being at a point, and what I really love about recovery, 11:15 about any kind of recovery work, I'm just going to talk 11:18 really open to you just because I can, you're my husband. 11:21 If I had somebody here that I didn't know, I would worry 11:24 about talking this open. 11:26 But what's interesting to me about the anger you felt, 11:31 or you couldn't feel, I mean couldn't feel is that when 11:36 you get to the point where you can say, I see it. 11:40 I'm not sure why I can't do it, but I actually see that 11:43 it's locked up, I see that I'm blocked, I see that I have 11:47 a problem here, then you can take that to Jesus. 11:49 You can take that to God and say, God, what's that about? 11:53 What's really interesting to me is when you took that 11:57 to God Brad, is that immediately Jesus gives you a sense 12:02 of you being locked up your whole life. 12:05 Your dad's an alcoholic, a functional alcoholic, nobody 12:08 could see it, an engineer and worked for the government. 12:12 He did all that stuff, a research scientist very matter 12:14 a fact but didn't know how to teach you about how to 12:17 express emotions and when you saw it and took it to God 12:22 I watched, literally watched your whole face just softened 12:26 and almost softened right into the arms of Jesus. 12:29 It's been an amazing journey and at some point I hope 12:33 I can tell about the experience on the spin bike. 12:37 It's to start to discover is that whole thing about getting 12:40 locked up at an early age and discovering that. 12:43 People get locked up for all kinds of things, again at 12:46 this particular seminar we learned about that you can 12:48 get locked up due to hostility, due to rebellion and 12:51 rejection or neglect, molest, moral stuff can cause you to 12:57 have a locked up heart. 12:58 When I go shopping I just don't always buy one kind of 13:01 food, so I chose to have some hostility, defiance, 13:04 rejection, some moral and some intellectual and some 13:07 judgmental too, I like to have a lot of stuff in my soup. 13:11 So starting to work through those different issues and 13:13 then you are able to go, where did that come from? 13:16 I had parents, I love my parents - me too, I love your parents. 13:20 - by all standards I had an amazing life. 13:24 We did all these cool things and all that stuff, yet 13:28 through it somehow I wound up to be this person that 13:31 couldn't feel and so how did that happen? 13:33 You know when we did cool projects and went on camping 13:36 trips and stuff but discovered certain things where there 13:39 were high expectations from me, high expectations to 13:43 perform, the fact that my parents even though 13:45 they were very functional, were alcoholics. 13:47 You know want to stay with that for a lot of people that 13:50 have been raised in a household with high expectations, 13:53 and those expectations were laid on you too young. 13:58 I can't even, I can't even process them, I don't even 14:03 know as a little kid what skills I have yet, yet I know this 14:06 project is right in front of me and I don't know how to do it. 14:10 So that's usually what happens with kids when they 14:13 locked down, I'm too young and I don't understand it. 14:16 I know you are disappointed with me, I don't know why 14:19 and that tends to happen. 14:22 Your dad was very much in research and he was 14:25 brilliant, but you were a little guy. 14:28 So it was interesting to take a look and start to discover that 14:31 one, where does it come from? 14:34 And then what does it do to you and how early 14:36 some of that stuff was? 14:38 And discovering - and just for any woman that is around, 14:41 what do you think his expectations were as far on me? 14:45 Oh man, I come into his life and initially he was very 14:48 easy with me with very little expectations, loved me 14:52 and he was star struck and it was so fun. 14:55 I felt really loved by you, but when we got into 14:58 relationship his expectation to me was everything he 15:03 wanted a wife or a woman to be, and if you're not there, 15:06 I'm going to allow my anger to push you into that spot. 15:10 So your anger, you used it to push yourself but then 15:15 you used it to push me for my own good. 15:17 And then I saw him use it to push our daughter for 15:21 her own good and so the anger and the high expectations 15:24 generationally was there and man was it there in our family. 15:28 And when you would say to Brad, I would say to you, Hon 15:32 and because you were so locked down it was like I don't 15:35 know what you are talking about, I'm just asking you 15:37 to do the right thing. I'm just asking you to do better. 15:40 Remember how that felt? - That for me and again, from 15:44 one of my issues and probably a good chunk of my issues, 15:47 was intellectually locked down. 15:49 It is real easy, part of the thing is when you do 15:52 counseling you may or may not as you start doing the 15:55 pain words, have you ever felt this or that? 15:57 They give you a sheet of like 300 words. 15:59 I would check off like three of them, I never felt that, 16:02 - and he thinks he's exaggerating. 16:04 It's like no I never feel any of that stuff. 16:07 And the person who is doing this particular seminar 16:09 started listing the things about an intellectually locked 16:12 heart, and man out of the 15 I could have checked 16:14 off 13 of those items. 16:16 He said one of them is when you comes the pain words 16:19 you don't think you feel any of those and the fact is 16:22 it's not that I didn't have them in my life, 16:24 I couldn't feel them. 16:26 Just for example, Brad and I do counseling a lot. 16:31 I wouldn't call it counseling, mentoring or coaching 16:35 or whatever, we do that a lot. 16:36 We were talking with this guy the other day and what was 16:39 really interesting was that he talked about three 16:41 marriages, he has kids from different marriages, 16:43 and they don't talk to him anymore. 16:45 He was in ministry but now he is not, he got fired from 16:49 that and did all that stuff. 16:51 Then you ask him, what issues do you have? 16:54 He seriously looks at us like I don't think I have any 16:57 issues, and I'm like really? 17:00 But that is somebody that is locked up and you feel that 17:03 and what is really sad about that is there are a lot of 17:06 people both men and women that walk around with I don't 17:09 think I have them, is that you know that somewhere you 17:13 shutdown because you can't have that much wreckage 17:16 following you without having some anger, some stuff in 17:19 your life and so you were there. 17:22 I want to know Brad, how you broke through that? 17:28 What was interesting to me was it was actually by the 17:33 power of God for that's exactly what it was. 17:35 It was getting to a place where I had decided I don't 17:40 want this anymore, I was able to see it. 17:42 And I am powerless here. - oh yeah! 17:44 I could not do it and I heard some people talking earlier 17:46 about being a broken man. 17:48 I've really reached the breaking point with where this 17:51 has got to get fixed in some capacity or another. 17:54 So through, I would call a coaching and a healing prayer 17:58 process really was to be able to take it to Jesus and let Him 18:03 deal with it. - to say here, take this. 18:06 You can have it. It's an interesting thing about taking 18:09 ownership for your own emotions, you have to own them. 18:11 - and the pain you have caused. 18:13 The pain I have caused to myself and others and it's 18:16 you get into this legal concept that I had to have full 18:19 ownership in order to give it away. 18:21 If I leave something out there, well-yeah, this-but it's 18:24 so-and-so's fault, there is still a hook in there that 18:29 Satan has, that you haven't taken full ownership, it's 18:33 not really yours to give away. 18:34 Someone still has part ownership of that particular 18:36 emotional thing or the baggage that you are carrying 18:39 around, so you own it. - I take full responsibility 18:41 for my anger. - exactly! 18:43 - 100%, it's nobody else's fault. 18:45 It's my fault, the incident, the bully may have hit me 18:48 but my resentment to the bully that's mine. 18:51 I have been walking around with it for years, it's mine. 18:54 Even what is interesting about when you decide to take 18:56 full responsibility for your anger and your resentment 18:59 or your junk is being able to say I take full responsibility 19:03 for the junk that is caused by someone else, 100% caused 19:07 by someone else, you know what I'm talking about. 19:09 That person is not capable of doing anything to fix it for 19:14 you, is I take responsibility even for a cause that 19:18 they have had in my life, for the pain and the bitterness 19:22 that they have caused me, I'm going to take that because 19:26 I don't know that they can right now. 19:28 I'll take it, once it is all in my hands 19:31 - now I can surrender it, because I have the legal right 19:34 to give it up, I'm done with it. 19:36 It is really cool, we have done that process even to the 19:38 point, I can't remember if I talked about this the last 19:41 time we were processing that, we're you're able to 19:43 surrender stuff and physically I almost felt this holding 19:46 it in my hands and being able to give it to God and get 19:49 rid of it so it is not a part of our lives. 19:51 With the anger what was really interesting to me Brad, was when 19:55 you saw the anger, because for a lot of people that are 19:58 locked up intellectually is one they don't see the emotion. 20:02 They could be angry and have all that, I have just got to 20:04 give you another example of his anger because it's so 20:07 funny, just close your ears for this one. 20:11 We are going to Disney World with my daughter and her 20:16 friend, and so Brad decides because he is so locked up 20:20 I have so much control issues, and we will 20:22 talk about those next. 20:23 This locked up and having those control issues and we 20:26 are going to Disney World and only got a limited time. 20:31 So we have a day and so he wants to see all six parks in a 20:34 day, well anybody who has been you know you can't do that. 20:38 But in Brad's mind you can and he didn't even ask anybody 20:42 else would you have fun doing that? 20:44 Because we would have said no, that's crazy. 20:48 But anyhow, now he has three girls just complaining 20:51 the whole time that this is not fun. 20:53 So now he's what? Angry! We deal with that for the 20:58 entire day and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I love 21:03 this man, I know he's not an angry person, yet why is 21:08 anger coming up all the time? 21:10 What was interesting to me is as you finally saw it, 21:14 and took it to Jesus I am watching changes thinking 21:17 I wanted to weep the whole time thinking God, you know 21:21 what? It was almost like, and what I said to Brad 21:25 when he started dealing with it, in the Bible when it 21:28 talks about Lazarus, and Lazarus died. 21:30 Jesus rose him from the dead and he comes out of the tomb 21:34 with these grave clothes on. 21:35 I almost felt like I watched Brad stand up and come out of 21:39 that tomb of anger, still having burial clothes on but 21:44 giving us permission to take them off. 21:46 It was that much of a transformation to me watching 21:50 you and watching Jesus say, you will not have this 21:53 in your life again. 21:55 It has been for me, it really has been remarkable. 21:58 On a whole bunch of different levels, one which was cool 22:02 I'm not going to pretend it is all gone. 22:04 If you have a room that is filled with stuff and we won't 22:08 going to the fact that the men in my family we like to hoard 22:11 stuff, that's a whole other story. 22:12 That's a whole other program. - that's another program. 22:15 But if you come in and I've got all the stuff out. 22:17 - I cleaned it out. - I've cleaned it out pretty 22:19 good, but man the floor is, still dirt in this corner, 22:23 I miss that thing here so, you'll be going along and 22:26 all of a sudden something will pop back up. 22:27 What is really cool is that I can feel it just like I can 22:30 feel this class or in this table, physically feel and all 22:33 of the sudden boom, there is anger. - there it is again. 22:35 Ah this toxic ball of stuff that I just don't want. 22:39 I'm not going to pick it up which is really cool. 22:43 - I like the fact that you have a choice now, you really 22:46 do have a choice which is awesome. 22:48 Tools to use to make sure that it doesn't get in the way. 22:51 These tools you can use them for all kinds of stuff. 22:54 I know we have talked about fearsome moral inventory and 22:56 that is something I have worked on also really hard. 22:58 Occasionally a little thing will crop up in it is like 23:01 Man, I can process it and give it to God and be done with 23:03 it so it doesn't creep up. 23:04 What is really interesting is that I know one of the 23:09 things in getting rid of the anger, suddenly my ability 23:14 to communicate with people is very different. 23:16 - with his wife. - and more importantly my ability 23:20 to hear God has totally changed. 23:22 So through the process is almost like what do you mean 23:25 I am locked up? I can't feel? 23:28 Until I was able to get rid of the anger I wasn't able to 23:31 start and identify some of the issues that were there binding 23:35 my heart and keeping me from loving people. 23:37 So then being able to do that and go through those things 23:41 without judging myself nor judging other people and 23:44 putting in impositions all my life is... 23:46 - Because you had high expectations on everyone. 23:48 On everyone and it's good to excel and it's good to 23:51 achieve and you should strive for excellence. 23:52 So talk about, with that thing for some people that are locked 23:57 down and driven with anger, driven with high expectations 24:01 is a rationalization when you start to hear yourself saying, 24:06 well I'm just asking for someone to do their best, to justify 24:11 the anger and the feelings underneath it, is there is a 24:15 part truth in that but most of it is rationalize the 24:18 amount of anger that is coming out. 24:19 It really was interesting - justified - justified 24:22 perhaps and again we have talked about this in my first program 24:26 was the concept of generational blessings and cursing's. 24:29 Looking at those different things that many of us 24:32 inherit stuff that we are not even aware of. 24:34 Is it okay to say how old I am? Can I say that in public? 24:39 Just as long as you say I am much younger. 24:41 And to my incredibly younger wife, gorgeous and 24:45 incredibly younger wife, I'm 54 and it only started two 24:49 years ago that I started to find out what were the 24:52 generational cursing's I had inherited with no knowledge 24:55 whatsoever up to that point in time. 24:57 I started to understand what those were and it allowed 25:00 me to say okay I really don't want to keep hauling these 25:03 around and I am ready to start to break them. 25:06 Some of them I didn't under stand until I got rid of the 25:08 anger which was interfering with my ability to communicate 25:11 with people around me and with God. 25:13 The clarity for all this stuff comes from the Holy Spirit. 25:18 So it's like what you do first? How do you figure it out? 25:23 In your wobbling around but having the courage I guess, 25:27 and the willingness to say okay as a man I am willing 25:31 to be vulnerable and I am willing to go through some pain. 25:34 The process is not necessarily a really pleasant one. 25:37 But the benefit is absolutely huge. 25:41 It is one of those things I'm going to use as we were 25:44 running around today, is that it gives you to a place 25:48 where you are able to let happen what God wants for you, 25:52 and allows you to provide what women want from you 25:56 as a man. - Amen, say that again. 25:59 Okay, God wants certain things for me as a man. 26:03 He wants me to provide spiritual leadership for the 26:06 household. - and to be able to love and be loved. 26:09 A person that's compassionate, understanding through 26:12 strength but compassionate and understanding. 26:14 - not anger. - that's right but that's what you want from me 26:18 is that leadership, compassion and understanding and 26:22 guidance but done through love and caring and not out of 26:25 high expectations and demanding. - right! 26:28 Because the other way the people in your life run from 26:31 you, in this way people in your life run to you. 26:34 And the other side of that is a relationship is two people 26:38 and so I had these issues with my heart that were bound up 26:42 and I love you baby but there was a few issues. 26:45 No stop, it cannot be. 26:48 So let's take a break before he gets into those. 26:51 We're going to take a break and come back and we are 26:54 going to talk about in a few more of those and open it up 26:57 for questions but I want you to know the most amazing 26:59 thing we are talking about step four during this 27:02 season, the most amazing thing is as soon as you turn 27:06 it over and say to God I'm willing to do this step four 27:09 I'm willing to look at what the core things are. 27:13 God is faithful, He will say I will show you what they are and 27:17 I will do it gentle but some of them are not at all what 27:20 you think, they are things that are generational given, 27:23 they are the anger that drives all the other behavioral stuff 27:28 and all the other addictions, the high expectations, 27:31 the fact that we locked down all that stuff and God says 27:35 by the time we are done you're going to be free and that 27:38 is the coolest thing. 27:39 We will be right back, stay with us! |
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