Participants: Pr. John Carter
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001109
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00:07 >> FROM ARCADIA, CALIFORNIA, "THE CARTER REPORT" PRESENTS 00:10 THE LIVING WORD AROUND THE WORLD. 00:17 >> HELLO, FRIEND. 00:18 I'M JOHN CARTER AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WARMEST WELCOME 00:21 TODAY TO THIS PROGRAM. 00:23 THIS IS A SPECIAL PROGRAM BECAUSE WE HAVE WITH US HERE 00:27 TODAY IN "THE CARTER REPORT" STUDIO, A VERY SPECIAL PERSON, 00:31 AN OLD BUDDY OF MINE, DR. JAMES GILLEY, 00:36 THE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN, WHICH OF COURSE STANDS FOR THREE 00:40 ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK. 00:44 I'M GOING TO ASK DR. GILLEY A NUMBER OF PERTINENT, 00:47 SEARCHING QUESTIONS DURING THIS TELECAST, ONE BEING WHAT 00:52 MAKES 3ABN SO DIFFERENT TO ALL THE OTHER TELEVISION STATIONS? 00:58 AND WHAT IS THIS BUSINESS ABOUT THREE ANGELS PREACHING 01:03 THIS SPECIAL GOSPEL? 01:05 IS IT A SPECIAL GOSPEL? 01:08 AND SO THIS IS WHAT THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE TODAY. 01:10 IT IS GOING TO BE DIRECT AND FORCEFUL, AND YOU ARE GOING 01:14 TO BE BLESSED. 01:18 >> THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT A PASTOR SHOULDN'T DO. 01:22 HE SHOULDN'T TELL LIES AND HE SHOULDN'T RETIRE. 01:27 THAT'S WHY I PLAN TO KEEP ON KEEPING ON WHILE GOD CAN 01:31 STILL USE ME. 01:32 WHILE THESE LUNGS ARE WORKING AND WHILE THIS MOUTH IS TALKING 01:36 AND WHILE JESUS IS STILL ALIVE AND I'M STILL ALIVE, I PLAN 01:40 TO KEEP ON PREACHING THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. 01:44 WILL YOU PRAY FOR ME? 01:45 WILL YOU SUPPORT US IN THIS GREAT WORK? 01:47 LISTEN, WE HAVE RECEIVED AN URGENT INVITATION FROM 01:51 THE CHURCH IN INDIA. 01:53 THEY'RE SAYING, "COME OVER AND HELP US." 01:57 WHAT A CHALLENGE, MY FRIEND. 01:58 DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THE LAND OF INDIA? 02:01 MORE THAN A THOUSAND MILLION PEOPLE. 02:05 AND THE PLACE IS FULL OF DEMONS AND EVIL SPIRITS. 02:09 THEY DON'T WANT THIS CAMPAIGN, THOSE EVIL SPIRITS, BUT I WANT 02:12 YOU TO KNOW JESUS IS STRONGER THAN THE EVIL SPIRITS. 02:17 LAST TIME WE WENT TO INDIA, WE HAD TREMENDOUS OPPOSITION, 02:20 OUR LIVES WERE THREATENED, BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD, WE'RE 02:24 GOING TO GO BACK BECAUSE JESUS HAS CALLED US TO GO. 02:28 WHEN WE WENT THERE LAST TIME, WE SAW THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE 02:31 COMING TO CHRIST. 02:32 ONE NIGHT, 30,000 PEOPLE CAME TO CHRIST, HINDUS AND MUSLIMS. 02:34 WE'RE PRAYING JESUS, 02:39 DO IT AGAIN. 02:40 PLEASE SUPPORT US. 02:42 PLEASE WRITE TO ME, JOHN CARTER 02:44 POST OFFICE BOX 1900 THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA 02:48 91358. 02:49 IN AUSTRALIA, WRITE TO ME, PLEASE, AT BEAUTIFUL TERRIGAL. 02:55 THE ADDRESS IS RIGHT THERE ON THE SCREEN. 02:57 LISTEN, MY FRIEND, I NEED YOUR PRAYERS, I NEED YOUR SUPPORT. 03:02 PLEASE PRAY FOR US. 03:03 I'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU. 03:05 WRITE TODAY AND GOD BLESS YOU. 03:09 [MUSIC] 03:19 >> WELCOME TODAY TO "THE CARTER REPORT," 03:21 THIS VERY SPECIAL PROGRAM WITH A VERY SPECIAL GUEST, 03:24 DR. JIM GILLEY OF 3ABN. 03:28 HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN AND HE'S AN OLD FRIEND. 03:32 PASTOR GILLEY, I AM DELIGHTED TODAY TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR 03:37 SPIRITUAL HOME HERE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, 03:39 IN BEAUTIFUL ARCADIA. 03:41 >> WELL, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE AND I AM CERTAINLY IMPRESSED, 03:44 NOT ONLY WITH THE BUILDINGS AND THE WAY GOD HAS BLESSED 03:48 THIS MINISTRY, BUT ALSO WITH YOUR STAFF 03:51 AND THE VERY WONDERFUL, FRIENDLY RESPONSE THAT 03:55 I RECEIVED WHEN I GOT HERE AND WELCOME THAT THEY GAVE 03:58 TO ME. 03:59 >> YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE TELLS US TO LOVE PEOPLE, BUT IT EVEN 04:03 TELLS YOU--WELL, IT TELLS YOU TO LOVE ALL PEOPLE. 04:06 THAT INCLUDES TO LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. 04:08 BUT I TELL MY CHURCH FOLKS THERE'S SOMETHING EVEN MORE 04:11 IMPORTANT THAN JUST--WELL, MAYBE NOT MORE IMPORTANT, BUT VERY 04:14 IMPORTANT THAN LOVING PEOPLE. 04:16 THAT'S LIKING PEOPLE. 04:18 >> ALL RIGHT. 04:18 >> OKAY? 04:19 >> OKAY. 04:20 >> YOU DON'T LIKE PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE. 04:22 YOU GOT TO LOVE THEM, THOUGH. 04:22 BUT NOT ONLY DO WE LOVE YOU, 04:26 WE LIKE YOU TOO. 04:27 >> WELL, WE LIKE YOU, JOHN. 04:28 AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY FAVORITE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE 04:31 ON 3ABN. 04:32 YOU'VE BEEN WITH 3ABN A LONG TIME. 04:34 >> YEAH, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG? 04:35 >> NO. 04:36 >> I DO. 04:37 >> I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG-- >> TWENTY-FOUR PLUS YEARS. 04:41 ABOUT 24 AND A HALF YEARS. 04:43 >> SO WE WERE ONLY THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AT THE MOST 04:45 WHEN YOU CAME-- >> OH, I DON'T THINK--I MAY 04:49 HAVE--I THINK WE WENT ON 3ABN AT THE END OF '86. 04:55 >> YEAH, OKAY. 04:56 WELL, THAT WAS VERY EARLY IN THE TELECAST HISTORY OF 3ABN. 05:01 >> I USED TO GO UP THERE AND SEE DANNY. 05:04 AND HE'S A SPECIAL PERSON TO US. 05:07 AND YOU ARE A SPECIAL PERSON. 05:08 I FIRST GOT TO KNOW YOU IN SYDNEY, WHEN I WAS THE PASTOR 05:14 OF THE WAHROONGA CHURCH. 05:16 WHAT A NAME, WAHROONGA. 05:18 >> IN FACT, I REMEMBER GOING TO THAT CHURCH AND VISITING YOU. 05:21 AND I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE TITLE THAT DAY. 05:25 >> OH, YOU WERE? 05:26 >> YEAH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS? 05:27 >> YES, I DO. 05:28 >> AND THE TITLE WAS "WHY I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE 05:31 MOTHER TERESA IN HEAVEN." 05:33 AND BOY, I COULDN'T WAIT TO GET THERE TO FIND OUT HOW'S HE GONNA 05:36 GET OUT OF THIS. 05:37 >> YEAH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE REALLY MAD WITH ME BECAUSE 05:40 I HAD A BIG SIGN UP OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. 05:41 >> I SAW. 05:42 THAT'S WHAT I SAW. 05:43 >> AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL TRYING TO GET ALONG WITH 05:44 MOTHER TERESA'S PEOPLE. 05:46 AND THEY SAID, "WHAT'S THIS GUY DOING? 05:47 HE'S PUTTING UP A SIGN, 'WHY I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE 05:50 MOTHER TERESA IN HEAVEN.'" >> YES. 05:52 AND WHAT WAS THE ANSWER? 05:54 >> WELL, IT'S THE STORY OF JOHN WESLEY 05:58 AND GEORGE WHITEFIELD. 06:01 WESLEY WAS AN ARMENIAN, BIT LIKE ADVENTISTS, 06:04 AND WHITEFIELD WAS A CALVINIST LIKE THE PRESBYTERIANS. 06:10 AND THESE TWO GREAT PREACHERS, NOT ORDINARY PREACHERS--I THINK 06:16 PROBABLY GEORGE WHITEFIELD WAS THE GREAT ORATIST SINCE 06:19 THE APOSTLE PAUL. 06:21 AND THEY HAD THEIR THEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES. 06:25 THEOLOGY CAN DIVIDE, BUT PREACHING THE GOSPEL 06:29 UNITES. 06:30 AND THIS IS WHERE THEY WERE UNITED. 06:32 WHAT A TRAGEDY, JIM, THAT PEOPLE ALLOW THEOLOGICAL ISSUES 06:36 TO TURN THEM INTO ENEMIES. 06:40 >> RIGHT. 06:41 >> AND SO GEORGE WHITEFIELD DIED AS A RELATIVELY YOUNG MAN. 06:46 AND AT HIS FUNERAL, JOHN WESLEY, THE REVEREND JOHN WESLEY, WHO 06:52 RAISED UP THE METHODIST CHURCH, MADE THESE REMARKABLY POSITIVE 06:57 REMARKS ABOUT GEORGE WHITEFIELD AND HOW HE WOULD BE SHINING 07:02 THERE IN THE GLORY LAND. 07:05 AND AFTER THE SERMON, A LITTLE, OLD LADY WITH A LONG NOSE CAME 07:08 AND SHE SAID, "MR. WESLEY, YOU DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE WHAT 07:13 YOU WERE SAYING BECAUSE YOU WERE SO MUCH ANTAGONISTIC 07:19 WITH THE THEOLOGY. 07:21 YOU DON'T REALLY BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN?" 07:24 AND HE SAID, "NO, I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE GEORGE WHITEFIELD 07:28 IN HEAVEN." 07:29 "OH," SHE SAID, "I WAS RIGHT. 07:30 YOU DIDN'T LIKE HIM." 07:31 HE SAID, "NO, I DON'T EXPECT HIM TO BE IN HEAVEN BECAUSE HE WILL 07:36 BE SO CLOSE TO THE THRONE OF GOD AND I'LL BE SO FAR BACK THAT 07:40 I DON'T EXPECT THAT I'LL SEE HIM IN HEAVEN." 07:43 >> AND THAT WAS YOUR ANSWER FOR MOTHER TERESA THAT DAY, 07:46 ON THAT OCCASION. 07:47 AND AS I CAME OUT THE DOOR, I SHOOK YOUR HAND 07:50 AND INTRODUCED MYSELF. 07:51 AND THEN LATER, YOU CALLED ME AT THE HOTEL WHERE WE WERE STAYING 07:55 AND TOOK US OUT TO THE COLLEGE. 07:57 WE HAD A WONDERFUL DAY, CAMILLE AND I DID WITH YOU 08:00 THAT DAY. 08:01 AND A FRIENDSHIP BEGAN THAT CONTINUED AND HAS CONTINUED 08:07 TO THIS DAY. 08:07 THAT WAS LIKE 26 YEARS AGO OR MORE. 08:10 >> WELL, I DISCOVERED A KINDRED SPIRIT. 08:14 >> WELL, ABSOLUTELY. 08:15 >> I DISCOVERED A MAN WHO LOVED JESUS, A MAN WHO BELIEVES 08:16 THE TRUE GOSPEL. 08:20 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT GOSPELS. 08:22 THERE'S THE GOSPEL OF ANTINOMIANISM THAT SAYS THAT 08:26 THE LAW OF GOD IS ABOLISHED. 08:28 THERE'S THE GOSPEL OF LEGALISM THAT SAYS THAT IT'S BY YOUR 08:32 ATTAINMENT. 08:34 BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S BY HIS ATONEMENT. 08:36 >> AMEN, ABSOLUTELY. 08:38 >> SO WE GOT ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH AND WE'VE BEEN ON 08:41 THE SAME WAVELENGTH EVER SINCE. 08:43 >> EVER SINCE, THAT'S RIGHT. 08:44 WE GOT BACK TOGETHER AT GENERAL CONFERENCE, 1985, 08:48 IN NEW ORLEANS. 08:49 AND THEN YOU WERE CALLED TO COME TO FORT WORTH AND THE REST 08:54 IS HISTORY. 08:57 >> AND I WANT THE FOLKS WHO ARE LISTENING TODAY AND WATCHING, 08:59 I WANT YOU TO HEAR THIS. 09:01 WHEN I WENT OVER THERE TO TEXAS, WHAT SORT OF STATE? 09:04 GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. 09:08 >> AS BEN LEECH WOULD SAY. 09:09 >> YEAH, THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. 09:11 IN FACT, I TOLD THE--I DID SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, 09:15 IN A METHODOLOGY THAT I SHOULD HAVE OVERCOME YEARS AGO. 09:21 I TOLD THE TEXANS, I SAID, "TEXAS, YOU CAN GET 20 TEXAS' 09:27 AND STICK 'EM INSIDE AUSTRALIA." 09:29 THEY SAID, "THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE." 09:31 THEY SAID, "THERE'S NO COUNTRY AS BIG AS TEXAS." 09:33 [LAUGHING] >> BUT YOU WENT BEFORE ME IN 09:40 TEXAS AND MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME 09:44 THERE. 09:45 >> WELL, WE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU, I GUARANTEE YOU. 09:47 >> OH, YOU DID MORE THAN THAT. 09:49 YOU WERE A BROTHER AND A FRIEND. 09:52 AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M ETERNALLY GRATEFUL. 09:56 >> WELL, WE LOVE THE CARTER FAMILY, AND SAW DAVID HERE 09:59 TODAY. 10:00 AND MY FAMILY HAS SAID, "BE SURE TO TELL PASTOR CARTER 10:05 AND BEVERLY AND DAVID AND THE ENTIRE FAMILY 10:09 HELLO FOR US." 10:10 >> WELL, YOU TELL 'EM THAT GOD LOVES THEM AND WE LOVE THEM TOO. 10:14 >> ALL RIGHT. 10:16 >> HOW DID YOU BECOME PRESIDENT OF 3ABN? 10:19 >> WELL, THAT'S QUITE A STORY. 10:20 AND I HAD INVITED DANNY--I WAS PASTORING IN DALLAS. 10:25 I HAD DECIDED--WAS A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS 10:29 AND WENT TO THE DIVISION AS VICE PRESIDENT-- 10:32 >> VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION. 10:35 >> THAT'S CORRECT. 10:36 AND SO I DECIDED THAT I WANTED TO SORT OF FINISH MY MINISTRY 10:43 AS A PASTOR. 10:43 IN FACT, AS I'VE SAT HERE TODAY IN YOUR CHURCH, I HAVE FELT 10:48 THOSE JUICES, THOSE PASTORAL JUICES, AS A PASTOR/EVANGELIST, 10:53 YOU KNOW, AND FEEL THOSE JUICES FLOWING. 10:57 AND IT'S A GREAT TEMPTATION. 10:59 SO THEY ASKED ME TO GO TO DALLAS. 11:01 >> WOULD YOU LIKE A JOB? 11:05 >> WELL, I WENT TO DALLAS AND WHEN I GOT TO DALLAS, 11:10 THE LORD JUST BLESSED TREMENDOUSLY. 11:12 >> AND IT'S A GREAT CITY. 11:13 >> IT IS. 11:13 AND THAT'S A GREAT CHURCH. 11:14 I HAD BEEN AT CHURCH OF MY YOUTH. 11:17 THEY CALLED ME TO COME THERE. 11:19 I SAID NO AT FIRST. 11:20 THEN THE SECOND TIME THEY CALLED, I FELT THAT WE SHOULD 11:22 REALLY PRAY ABOUT IT. 11:24 WE DID, FELT IMPRESSED, AND WE WENT. 11:26 AND I'M SO GLAD WE DID BECAUSE WE HAD A COUPLE OF FELLOWS 11:30 THERE, A FELLOW BY THE NAME OF MICHAEL SHULA, THAT WANTED ME 11:34 TO DO TELEVISION. 11:36 AND SO HE BROUGHT ALL OF HIS TELEVISION EQUIPMENT, AND HE HAD 11:40 ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF TV EQUIPMENT AT LEAST, 11:44 SET IT UP IN THE CHURCH, AND WE STARTED DOING TELEVISION 11:47 ON LOCAL CHANNEL. 11:49 THAT GAVE ME A LITTLE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I REALLY HAD HAD NO 11:52 TELEVISION EXPERIENCE AT ALL. 11:55 DANNY CAME. 11:56 WE INVITED DANNY SHELTON TO COME FOR A WEEKEND. 11:57 AND, BY THE WAY, I HAD NO IDEA 12:02 HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR 3ABN TO GO FOR A WEEKEND LIKE THAT. 12:05 I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO DO IT NOW TO COME TO MY CHURCH 'CAUSE 12:09 IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLY EXPENSIVE. 12:11 BUT DANNY, BOY, YOU KNOW HOW DANNY IS. 12:13 HE JUST--HE CAME-- >> HE'S A VISIONARY. 12:16 >> HE IS. 12:17 AND WE HAD A TREMENDOUS TIME, SO I SAID, "COME BACK NEXT YEAR." 12:20 I DON'T KNOW IF, AGAIN, IF I'D HAVE JUST KNOWN, I WOULD 12:24 NEVER HAVE HAD THE COURAGE. 12:25 AND THE NEXT YEAR HE DID, HE CAME BACK, HE CAME BACK 12:28 IN AUGUST. 12:29 AND AT THAT TIME, HE SAID TO ME, "YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE LIST 12:34 TO BE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN." 12:36 I SAID, "DANNY, I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 2 YEARS." 12:38 HE SAID, "WELL," HE SAID, "WE NEED A PRESIDENT VERY BADLY." 12:41 HE WAS HAVING A REAL HEALTH CHALLENGE AT THE TIME. 12:45 AND I SAID, "WELL--" HE SAID, "YOU'RE NUMBER THREE 12:48 ON THE LIST." 12:48 I SAID, "WHEW, MAN, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT ONE OF THOSE OTHER 12:53 TWO GUYS WOULD BE SELECTED." 12:56 FACT, NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST WAS SELECTED, BUT HE WANTED TO NOT 13:01 ONLY DO THAT, BUT CONTINUE WITH THE POSITION THAT HE HAD AT 13:04 THE TIME, WHICH WAS OUT HERE ON THE WEST COAST, AND EVERYBODY 13:07 KNEW THAT WOULD NOT WORK. 13:10 AND SO THEY--I THOUGHT, "WELL, GOOD, THAT'S GREAT. 13:15 I MEAN, HE DIDN'T TAKE IT, BUT THE SECOND FELLOW WILL 13:17 FOR SURE TAKE IT." 13:19 I KNEW WHO HE WAS AND I KNEW THAT HE WANTED THE POSITION. 13:22 AND I GET A CALL FROM DANNY. 13:24 THEY HAD SKIPPED OVER NUMBER TWO AND HAD GONE TO ME. 13:28 AND I WAS SHOCKED. 13:30 BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING? 13:31 WE BEGAN TO PRAY. 13:33 GOD BEGAN TO MAKE IT SO ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, JOHN, 13:36 THAT THIS IS WHAT I WAS TO DO. 13:38 AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME ON THIS PROGRAM TO GO THROUGH ALL THE 13:41 DIFFERENT ABSOLUTE, UNBELIEVABLE MIRACLES THAT TOOK PLACE, 13:46 INCLUDING THE SALE OF A HOUSE IMMEDIATELY AT FULL PRICE, WHICH 13:50 WAS NOT HAPPENING IN THAT MARKET AT THAT TIME. 13:54 >> IT HASN'T BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS. 13:55 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 13:56 AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GLAD TO HAVE TAKEN EVEN A LOSS. 14:00 BUT WE PRAYED AND WE SAID, "LORD, IT WAS KIND OF A FLEECE. 14:03 HELP US TO SELL THIS HOUSE SOMEWHERE NEAR FULL PRICE." 14:06 HE GAVE US FULL PRICE AND WITHOUT COMING OFF EVEN A 14:10 DIME OFF THE ASKING PRICE. 14:12 SO THIS--THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS LIKE THIS, JOHN, 14:15 THAT JUST HAPPENED AND WE JUST KNEW THIS IS WHAT THE LORD 14:18 WANTED US TO DO. 14:20 >> YOU'VE SERVED GOD AND THE CHURCH AS A PASTOR, 14:22 AS AN EVANGELIST, 14:27 AS A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT, AS THE VICE PRESIDENT 14:30 OF THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION. 14:34 WHY IS 3ABN DIFFERENT? 14:37 >> 3ABN IS AN UNBELIEVABLE MINISTRY. 14:42 THE OUTREACH THAT IT HAS--YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS AT THE 14:46 DIVISION, I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD AND ACTUALLY THE LEGAL 14:52 PRESIDENT OF ALL THE MEDIA CENTER MINISTRIES. 14:55 AND THAT, AT THAT TIME, I WAS, YOU KNOW, FEELING LIKE, "WOW, 15:02 WE'RE REACHING THE WORLD." 15:03 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ONLY REACHING WITH THOSE PROGRAMS 15:07 1 HOUR OR 30 MINUTES A WEEK, SEE. 15:11 WITH 3ABN, IT'S 24/7. 15:16 IT'S ON 135 STATIONS THAT WE OWN HERE IN THE U.S. 15:20 >> A HUNDRED AND THIRTY-FIVE STATIONS. 15:22 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 15:22 >> THAT YOU OWN. 15:23 >> THAT WE OWN HERE IN THE U.S., PLUS 1200 CABLE OUTLETS 15:28 ON DISH NETWORK. 15:30 AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE WITH VERIZON FIOS, WE'RE WITH AT&T. 15:36 SO PEOPLE CAN GET US IN THESE PACKAGES WHERE THEY GET THEIR 15:39 PHONE AND THEIR SATELLITE TELEVISION AND THEY GET THEIR 15:43 INTERNET. 15:44 AND THEN ON THE INTERNET NOW. 15:46 AND WE HAVE FIVE OF OUR CHANNELS THAT ARE ON THE INTERNET. 15:51 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THE RESULTS OF THAT, IT'S AN IMPACT 15:56 THAT IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. 15:58 AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON NOW FOR--WE'RE IN OUR 26TH YEAR THAT 16:02 THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON. 16:03 >> YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD RAISED UP 3ABN. 16:07 >> I HAVE NO QUESTION ABOUT IT WHATSOEVER. 16:08 IT'S AN ABSOLUTE, TOTAL MIRACLE. 16:11 YOU KNOW, YOU AND I WERE BOTH VERY MUCH ALIVE IN THAT PERIOD. 16:14 >> YES, WE WERE. 16:15 >> I KNEW THE CLIMATE OF THE TIME. 16:17 I HAD GONE TO THE GENERAL CONFERENCE PRESIDENT MYSELF AND 16:22 SLIPPED INTO HIS OFFICE DURING THE NOON HOUR, KNOWING THAT IT 16:25 WAS HIS HABIT TO SIT THERE AND EAT A SANDWICH IN THE DARK 16:29 END OF HIS OFFICE. 16:30 HE'D TURN THE LIGHTS OFF. 16:31 >> ELDER WILSON? 16:32 >> YEAH, WONDERFUL MAN. 16:33 FANTASTIC MAN. 16:35 AND LOVED HIM SO MUCH. 16:37 HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR HIM. 16:39 BUT WHEN I SAID TO HIM, "ELDER, WE HAVE GOT TO BEGIN 16:43 A TELEVISION MINISTRY," HE JUST--HE PUT HIS HAND TO HIS 16:48 HEAD AND HE SAID, "OH, BROTHER GILLEY, 16:51 YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT." 16:54 AND AT THAT TIME, OF COURSE, THE CHALLENGES OF THE CHURCH 16:58 WERE UNBELIEVABLE. 16:59 THEY HAD THE FDR CHALLENGE, FORD, DAVENPORT, AND RAY. 17:03 AND THE CHURCH WAS ROCKED AT THAT TIME. 17:06 AND TO TAKE ON ANOTHER THING--AND THEN A COUPLE OF GUYS 17:10 OUT THERE IN ILLINOIS TOOK IT ON. 17:13 AND THE REST, AS THEY SAY, IS HISTORY. 17:17 >> A COUPLE OF LAYPEOPLE. 17:18 >> YES. 17:19 YEAH, A COUPLE OF GUY-- DANNY SHELTON WAS THE ONE WHO 17:22 RECEIVED THE DREAM. 17:24 HE GOT HIS BROTHER TO WORK WITH HIM. 17:26 BUT DANNY SHELTON IS THE ONE THAT RECEIVED THE DREAM. 17:29 DANNY SHELTON'S THE ONE THAT RESPONDED, AND I WILL TELL YOU 17:33 SOMETHING. 17:35 THIS IS A GUY HAS MORE FAITH THAN, JOHN, I'VE EVER SEEN IN 17:38 ANY HUMAN BEING ON THIS EARTH. 17:40 I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. 17:43 SOMETIMES WE GET JUST ROCKED AND SOCKED AND IT IS 17:45 A DAY BY DAY FAITH VENTURE. 17:49 BUT HE IS ALWAYS THERE. 17:50 HIS FAITH IS ALWAYS STRONG. 17:52 AND I MARVEL AT IT. 17:55 IT'S A GREAT ENCOURAGEMENT TO THOSE OF US THAT WORK WITH HIM. 17:58 >> I KNOW. 17:59 WHAT MAKES 3ABN DIFFERENT, THOUGH? 18:02 >> I THINK IT'S THE MESSAGE. 18:03 SEE, THE MESSAGE IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. 18:05 AND THAT'S WHAT CAME TO DANNY THAT FIRST NIGHT. 18:08 WHAT CAME TO HIM THAT FIRST NIGHT WAS THAT IT HAD TO BE AN 18:12 UNDILUTED THREE ANGELS' MESSAGE. 18:16 >> I CAN HEAR DANNY SAYING IT. 18:17 >> YEAH, THE MESSAGE OF REVELATION 13, 14, THE TRUTH AS 18:21 IT IS IN JESUS. 18:23 AND AT THE TIME, DANNY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT. 18:26 AND HE'LL TELL YOU, "I DID NOT KNOW MY BIBLE WELL ENOUGH TO 18:29 KNOW WHAT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT." 18:32 AND SO HE SAID, "I HAD TO LOOK IT UP TO FIND OUT WHAT IT 18:35 WAS--WHAT IT REALLY MEANT." 18:38 >> I BELIEVE THAT WHEN I LOOK AT 3ABN AND COMPARE 3ABN TO OTHER 18:45 TELEVISION STATIONS IN NORTH AMERICA, IT IS WHAT 18:48 YOU SAY--IT IS TRUE, IT IS THE MESSAGE. 18:52 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. 18:53 >> NOW, THIS MESSAGE OF REVELATION 14 IS NOT GOING TO 18:56 WIN ANY POPULARITY CONTESTS. 18:58 >> NO. 19:00 >> IT'S GOT THE GOSPEL. 19:01 I MEAN, IT STARTS WITH THE GOSPEL, THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL, 19:04 THE GOOD NEWS OF THE LOVE OF GOD, THE GOOD NEWS OF THE 19:07 ATONING SACRIFICE OF JESUS ON THE CROSS, THIS WONDERFUL TRUTH 19:11 THAT WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH ALONE. 19:16 >> ABSOLUTELY. 19:17 >> I LOVE THE RALLYING CRY OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMERS. 19:22 SOLA CHRISTUS, ONLY CHRIST. 19:24 SOLA SCRIPTURA, ONLY SCRIPTURE. 19:27 SOLA GRATIA, ONLY GRACE. 19:30 SOLA FIDE, ONLY FAITH. 19:33 BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT--JIM, YOU KNOW AND I KNOW IT, YOU'VE GOT A 19:36 PACKAGE THERE THAT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO PREACH. 19:40 IT TALKS ABOUT THE BEAST AND THE IMAGE AND THE MARK OF THE BEAST. 19:45 BUT BLESS YOUR HEART, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THE WILL OF GOD, 19:49 WE CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM THAT. 19:50 >> NO. 19:51 GOD GAVE US THE BOOK OF REVELATION. 19:53 JESUS--THIS IS JESUS' BOOK. 19:57 THIS IS HIS MAGNA CARTA. 19:59 THIS IS HIS SPEECH TO THE WORLD. 20:01 THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS, "HEY, I'M COMING BACK. 20:05 THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE. 20:07 IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SHARING THESE THINGS," SEE. 20:11 AND YOU SHARE THEM IN LOVE, BUT YOU SHARE THEM DIRECT. 20:14 I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOLD ME, THEY SAY, "YOU 20:18 KNOW--" YOU SAY JOHN CARTER, SAY, "BOY, HE PREACHES IT 20:21 STRAIGHT." 20:23 >> WOULD THEY LIKE ME TO PREACH IT CROOKED? 20:25 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE ARE 20:28 A LOT OF NETWORKS THAT WOULD NOT PUT YOU ON. 20:31 BUT WE PUT YOU ON BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY 20:36 TO PUT YOU ON BECAUSE YOU ARE PREACHING THE TRUTH. 20:40 AND THE SAME IS TRUE WITH KENNETH COX 20:43 AND WITH DAVID ASSCHERICK AND WITH LYLE ALBRECHT. 20:48 AND THESE ARE GUYS WHO ARE PREACHING THE MESSAGE DIRECT. 20:52 JOHN, I RAN INTO A COUPLE THE OTHER DAY, AND THIS CAN BE 20:56 REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 20:58 THIS WAS A COUPLE OVER IN GEORGIA. 21:01 AND THE GENTLEMAN SAID TO ME, HE SAID, "I WOULD SIT THERE WITH 21:05 MY NOTEBOOK." 21:06 HE SAID, "I WATCHED 3ABN FOR 6 YEARS. 21:08 I WOULD SIT THERE WITH MY NOTEBOOK. 21:10 JOHN CARTER WOULD COME ON, I'D WRITE DOWN EVERY TEXT THAT 21:13 JOHN CARTER WOULD SAY AND I'D LOOK THEM UP TO PROVE 21:16 HIM WRONG." 21:17 AND HE SAID, "I'D DO THE SAME WITH KENNETH COX AND I'D DO 21:19 THE SAME WITH LYLE ALBRECHT AND I WOULD DO IT WITH 21:22 DOUG BATCHELOR." 21:23 AND HE SAID, "FINALLY, I TOLD MY WIFE--" HE SAID, "I HAD 21:26 NOTEBOOKS FULL OF NOTES." 21:28 HE SAID, "I FINALLY TOLD MY WIFE, 'I CAN'T PROVE THIS 21:31 MESSAGE WRONG.'" HE SAID, "WE'VE GOT TO FIND 21:34 A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH AND BECOME PART OF IT." 21:38 AND THERE HE WAS. 21:39 >> JIM, I'VE DISCOVERED THIS AND YOU'VE DISCOVERED THIS TOO WHEN 21:42 YOU HAD THAT EXTRAORDINARY SUCCESS IN UKRAINE THAT WE'RE 21:46 GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT. 21:48 I'VE DISCOVERED THIS, THAT WHEN I PREACH THE MESSAGE IN THE LOVE 21:53 OF GOD, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, BUT DON'T HOLD 21:57 BACK, PREACH THE WHOLE MESSAGE, GOD TAKES OVER. 22:04 I'VE SEEN AROUND THE WORLD SOME OF THE BIGGEST CROWDS IN THE 22:07 HISTORY OF THE PUBLIC PREACHING OF THE MESSAGE OF GOD. 22:09 YOU HAVE, TOO. 22:13 >> YES. 22:14 >> WE HAD IN UKRAINE 100,000 PEOPLE NOT AT THE FIRST MEETING, 22:18 BUT TURNED AWAY. 22:21 SO I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE UP DOING WHAT GOD TELLS ME TO DO 22:24 SIMPLY FOR POPULARITY. 22:26 AND SO THE PEOPLE WILL SAY, "BOY, HE'S A NICE GUY. 22:31 HE'S NOT GOING TO EVER EMBARRASS US." 22:35 >> "WE LIKE HIM." 22:36 >> YEAH, "WE LIKE HIM. 22:37 HE'S OUR KIND OF WIMPY GUY." 22:41 >> YEAH, YEAH. 22:42 "HE'S GOT FUNNY STORIES TO TELL." 22:47 >> LET ME HAVE CHRIST. 22:48 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. 22:49 >> LET ME HAVE THE BIBLE. 22:50 >> AMEN. 22:51 >> AND WHEN I READ THE STORIES OF THE GREAT PREACHERS OF TIMES 22:55 PAST LIKE MARTIN LUTHER, JOHN WESLEY, AND JOHN KNOX, 23:00 AND GEORGE WHITEFIELD, I FIND MEN PREACHING A MESSAGE 23:06 THAT COMPLETELY POLARIZED SOCIETY. 23:09 >> OH YEAH. 23:10 >> THEY USED TO COME TO JOHN WESLEY'S MEETINGS 23:12 AND THROW MUD BALLS AT HIM AND THROW STONES AT HIM. 23:17 AND ON SOME OCCASIONS, THEY'D TAKE HIM AND HE HAD A WIG AND A 23:21 CLERGYMAN'S SUIT AND THEY WOULD TAKE HIM AND THROW HIM IN THE 23:24 RIVER. 23:25 >> OH YEAH. 23:27 >> BECAUSE HE WAS PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD. 23:29 THIS MAN HERE WHOM YOU AND I VENERATE, H.M.S RICHARDS-- 23:36 >> HE WAS CUT FROM THAT CLOTH. 23:38 >> YEAH, HE SAID IF YOU DON'T HAVE A REVIVAL, YOU BETTER HAVE 23:42 A REVOLUTION. 23:43 >> THERE YOU GO, YES. 23:44 >> BUT DON'T HAVE NOTHING. 23:47 SO WHY DID YOU BECOME A PASTOR AND MINISTER? 23:51 >> YOU KNOW, THIS MAN HAD SOME INFLUENCE. 23:55 I FIRST MET HIM WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY. 23:59 AND I WAS AT THE TEXAS CAMP MEETING. 24:02 >> IN KEENE? 24:03 >> YES. 24:04 AND I REMEMBER THAT WE WOULD WATCH FOR H.M.S RICHARDS 24:09 AND THE KING'S HERALDS PROBABLY--THEY WERE COMING DOWN 24:13 THE ROAD IN THAT LIMOUSINE. 24:14 SOMEBODY HAD GIVEN THEM A LIMOUSINE. 24:17 AND SO THEY WOULD DRIVE IN IN THAT LIMOUSINE, AND THEY HAD A 24:21 BIG RACK ON TOP OF THAT LIMOUSINE. 24:22 AND WE WOULD WATCH FOR THEM SORT OF LIKE PEOPLE WOULD DO 24:28 ROCK STARS TODAY. 24:29 I MEAN, SERIOUSLY. 24:30 >> YES, I KNOW. 24:31 >> AND WHEN THEY WERE COMING, WE SAW THAT QUARTET. 24:34 NOW, WE LOVED THAT QUARTET, BUT WE ALSO--WE REVERED 24:39 ELDER RICHARDS. 24:40 I REMEMBER ONE DAY OUT UNDER A TREE, I WAS WITH MY BROTHER, 24:43 PAUL, AND MY GOOD FRIEND, DAN BUCKINGHAM, THE THREE 24:47 OF US OUT UNDER A TREE. 24:49 AND IT WAS A HOT TEXAS DAY. 24:52 WE WERE JUST WAITING PROBABLY TO FIND SOME FUN TO GET INTO, 24:55 MAYBE A LITTLE MISCHIEF. 24:57 ELDER RICHARDS IS WALKING ALONG WITH THE CONFERENCE PRESIDENT. 25:00 NOW, HE IS A GOOD 30 FEET AT LEAST OR 40 FEET MAYBE FROM THE 25:04 SIDEWALK, AND HE SEES 3 BOYS UNDER A TREE AND HE VEERS OFF. 25:09 I BELIEVE TO THIS DAY THAT AN ANGEL VEERED HIM OVER THERE. 25:13 HE LEFT THE PRESIDENT AND CAME OVER AND SPOKE TO US. 25:17 HE MUST HAVE THOUGHT THAT HE HAD COME ON TO THREE BOYS WHO WERE 25:22 ABSOLUTELY DUMB BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SAY A WORD. 25:25 OUR MOUTHS WERE OPEN. 25:25 WE COULD NOT BELIEVE--I COULD 25:30 NOT EVEN RESPOND TO HIM. 25:32 I COULDN'T EVEN BE NICE TO HIM. 25:34 AND FINALLY, AFTER SPEAKING TO US, HE SAID, "WELL, GOODBYE, 25:36 BOYS," AND HE LEFT. 25:37 AND HE PROBABLY THOUGHT, "WELL, THOSE KIDS, THEY DIDN'T EVEN 25:40 APPRECIATE MY COMING OVER." 25:41 WE WERE JUST ASTOUNDED THAT HE WOULD COME OVER. 25:45 AND LATER, I WAS ON HIS BOARD OF COUNSELORS AS A YOUNG MAN AND 25:50 WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR, WAS ABLE 25:54 TO GO TO HIS LIBRARY WITH HIM. 25:57 AND CAMILLE AND I WENT THERE. 26:00 JUST ENJOYED SPENDING LOTS OF TIME WITH HIM, AND IT WAS 26:04 A GREAT BLESSING. 26:05 >> THE ONLY SERMON I REMEMBER FROM AVONDALE DAYS, 26:08 I'M TELLING YOU-- >> THAT'S A WHILE, YEAH. 26:12 >> YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WASN'T LAST YEAR, JIM. 26:14 OR THE YEAR BEFORE. 26:17 I'LL SOON BE SAYING THE CENTURY AGO. 26:20 NO, 50 YEARS AGO. 26:22 THE ONLY SERMON I REMEMBER FROM AVONDALE WAS NOT PREACHED BY ANY 26:26 OF THE FACULTY. 26:28 A SERMON PREACHED BY H.M.S RICHARDS. 26:31 I CAN TELL YOU THE SERMON NOW. 26:32 >> I BET YOU CAN. 26:33 >> IT WAS ON THE UNSPARING GOD. 26:35 >> OKAY. 26:37 >> IF GOD SPARED NOT THE ANGELS, IF GOD SPARED NOT THE 26:43 ANTEDILUVIANS, WILL HE SPARE YOU? 26:45 NO, HE'S AN UNSPARING GOD. 26:47 IF SPARED NOT--HE WENT ON TO THE PEOPLE IN SODOM AND GOMORRAH. 26:53 SO GOD IS NOT GOING TO SPARE. 26:54 I'VE PREACHED THE SAME A FEW TIMES. 26:56 GOD CANNOT SPARE US. 26:58 HE WILL NOT SPARE US AS MINISTERS IF WE DO NOT PREACH 27:01 THE WORD OF GOD. 27:04 IF WE'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH OUR FOOLISH POPULARITY THAN WE ARE 27:09 WITH FIDELITY TO GOD AND TO TRUTH, HE WON'T SPARE US. 27:12 SO THIS WAS THE SERMON. 27:14 AND SO WHEN HE HAD TOLD US THAT GOD WAS UTTERLY UNSPARING, THEN 27:18 HE TURNED TO ROMANS 8, "HE THAT SPARED NOT HIS OWN SON." 27:23 THEN HE TOLD THE STORY OF THE CROSS AND TOLD HOW HE BECAME 27:26 A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN. 27:28 YOU KNOW THE STORY. 27:29 YOU'VE HEARD IT. 27:30 >> RIGHT. 27:31 >> NOW, HIS MOTHER SAID, "YOU'VE GOT TO BEAT ME," YOU KNOW, 27:36 BECAUSE SHE'D GIVEN UP ON HIM. 27:39 AND THEN HE TOLD HOW HE WAS TO BEAT HIS MOTHER. 27:43 SHE BARED HER BACK AND SAID, "HAROLD, YOU'LL HAVE TO BEAT 27:47 ME." 27:49 >> I REMEMBER THE SERMON MYSELF. 27:50 NOW YOU'RE TELLING IT. 27:52 YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PREACHING? 27:54 HE SAID, "I CAN'T PREACH A SERMON TILL I'VE PREACHED IT 27:56 60 TIMES." 27:58 NOW, SEE, BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES, 28:01 HE COULD DO THAT. 28:02 >> SIXTY TIMES? 28:03 >> SIXTY TIMES. 28:04 I THINK IT MAY BE IN THIS BOOK, BUT I'VE HEARD HIM SAY IT. 28:07 >> THAT MEANS HE WAS ALSO AN EVANGELIST. 28:08 >> YES. 28:09 OH, HE WAS OUT THERE GOING. 28:10 >> WELL, HE ADDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT, I THINK. 28:12 >> RIGHT. 28:16 >> AND, OF COURSE, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU AND I WOULD NEVER 28:18 DO. 28:19 >> YOU KNOW, THE QUARTET USED TO SAY THAT HE WOULD PREACH THOSE 28:23 SAME SERMONS. 28:24 LIKE THEY WOULD DO A FRIDAY NIGHT, SABBATH MORNING, 28:26 SATURDAY NIGHT. 28:27 HE'D PREACH THE SAME SERMONS, BUT HE SAID--THEY SAID, "WE 28:31 NEVER TIRED OF HEARING THEM BECAUSE HE WOULD ALWAYS THROW IN 28:34 A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR US," THEY SAID. 28:38 >> HE WAS A MAN OF GOD. 28:40 HE TOUCHED MY LIFE. 28:42 AND HE TOUCHED YOURS. 28:43 >> YES, HE DID. 28:43 >> AND NOW HE'S TOUCHING THE MINISTRY OF 3ABN AROUND 28:46 THE WORLD. 28:47 >> YES. 28:48 AND HE TOUCHED DANNY'S LIFE. 28:50 >> HE TOUCHED DANNY'S LIFE? 28:51 >> THROUGH H.M.S RICHARDS JR. 28:53 ESPECIALLY, WHO ALSO WAS A GOOD FRIEND-- 28:55 >> I LOVED HIM. 28:56 >> OF THE THREE OF US, YOU KNOW. 28:58 >> YES, I KNEW HIM WELL. 29:00 NOW JIM, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 29:02 WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE PAUSE FOR A MESSAGE AND WE'RE 29:05 GOING TO COME BACK AND I'M GOING TO GET YOU TO TELL ME THE STORY 29:09 OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU WENT TO UKRAINE BECAUSE THERE WERE 29:14 MIRACLES. 29:15 STAY WITH US. 29:16 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. 29:20 >> HELLO, FRIEND. 29:22 DO YOU EVER WONDER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT? 29:24 HOW CAN WE EVER GET THE IMAGES OF JAPAN OUT OF OUR MINDS? 29:28 THINK OF THIS TREMENDOUS TSUNAMI. 29:30 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. 29:32 I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT GOD IS SENDING A WAKEUP CALL 29:37 TO THE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD. 29:37 THAT MESSAGE IS GET READY 29:41 BECAUSE CHRIST IS COMING SOON. 29:43 I BELIEVE THAT CHRIST IS ALSO SENDING A WAKEUP CALL TO THE 29:47 CHURCH. 29:49 I WANT YOU TO KNOW TODAY THIS CANNOT BE BUSINESS AS USUAL. 29:54 WE HAVE A WORK TO DO. 29:56 AND THE BIBLE TELLS ME WE ARE CALLED TO GO INTO ALL THE WORLD 30:00 AND TO PREACH THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL, THE GOOD NEWS 30:03 OF JESUS CHRIST, THE LORD. 30:06 I WANT YOU TO JOIN ME, MY FRIEND, IN THE GREAT NATIONS OF 30:09 THE WORLD IN WORLD EVANGELISM. 30:13 WE'RE WORKING IN CHINA. 30:14 JOIN US. 30:15 I WANT YOU TO JOIN US IN INDIA. 30:17 WE'VE GOT A TELEVISION PROGRAM IN INDIA. 30:20 IT IS A LAND OF MORE THAN A BILLION SOULS. 30:23 JOIN US IN INDIA. 30:25 I WANT YOU TO JOIN US IN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE AND HERE IN THE 30:28 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN AUSTRALIA, ALL AROUND THE WORLD 30:33 WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST. 30:39 I SAY THIS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A FIRE IN MY SOUL. 30:43 JESUS IS COMING SOON, AND YOU AND I HAVE GOT A WORK TO DO. 30:49 PLEASE WRITE TO ME TODAY, JOHN CARTER 30:52 POST OFFICE BOX 1900 THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA 30:56 91358. 30:58 IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC, WRITE TO ME AT BEAUTIFUL TERRIGAL. 31:03 THE ADDRESS IS NOW APPEARING ON THE SCREEN. 31:06 LISTEN, MY FRIEND. 31:08 JESUS IS COMING SOON. 31:11 WE MUST WORK WHILE IT IS DAY BECAUSE THE NIGHT IS COMING. 31:22 >> WELCOME BACK. 31:23 MY SPECIAL GUEST TODAY IS DR. JAMES GILLEY, THE PRESIDENT 31:27 OF THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK. 31:30 WELCOME BACK, JIM. 31:31 >> WELL, THANK YOU, JOHN. 31:32 IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE. 31:34 >> NOW TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN 31:38 YOUR LIFE. 31:40 >> WELL, SHE REALLY IS. 31:41 CAMILLE AND I MET WHEN WE WERE IN COLLEGE. 31:45 >> THAT WAS, WHAT, 20 YEARS AGO? 31:46 FIFTEEN? 31:48 MAYBE A LITTLE MORE. 31:49 >> AT LEAST THAT MANY. 31:50 WE HAVE CHILDREN IN THEIR 40s, SO-- 31:52 >> OH, YOU DO? 31:53 >> OH, YES. 31:54 AND NINE GRANDCHILDREN. 31:56 SO WE'VE BEEN MARRIED A LONG TIME. 31:59 AND WE WERE MARRIED AT THE END OF 2 YEARS OF COLLEGE. 32:03 >> AND DOESN'T SHE LOOK GREAT? 32:04 >> SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE JUST GRADUATED. 32:07 IT'S AMAZING. 32:08 AS DOES BEVERLY. 32:09 THOSE TWO HAVE REALLY DONE WELL. 32:11 AND WE CAN BOTH BE PROUD OF OUR WIVES. 32:15 WE REALLY CAN. 32:16 BUT JOHN, YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO MONTANA FOR A YEAR AND TAUGHT 32:20 SCHOOL TO GET A LITTLE MONEY TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL. 32:22 WENT BACK TO ANDREWS. 32:23 LATER RECEIVED A CALL INTO THE MINISTRY OUT IN SOUTHERN 32:25 NEW ENGLAND CONFERENCE. 32:30 AND MURRO MILLS CALLED US OUT THERE, WONDERFUL MAN. 32:34 LATER GOT TO WORK ALSO WITH LOWELL BACH. 32:38 AFTER 1 YEAR OF PASTORAL WORK, THEY MADE ME THE CONFERENCE 32:41 EVANGELIST OF ALL THINGS, AND I WORKED THERE AS A CONFERENCE 32:46 EVANGELIST UNTIL I MOVED TO TEXAS. 32:48 >> HOW MANY CAMPAIGNS A YEAR? 32:50 >> WELL, IN THOSE DAYS, I WAS DOING TEN A YEAR. 32:53 >> TEN A YEAR. 32:54 >> AND IT JUST ABOUT DESTROYED ME. 32:57 IT REALLY DID. 32:58 WHEN I LEFT THERE, I WAS PRETTY WELL BURNED OUT. 33:00 >> EACH CAMPAIGN 3 WEEKS. 33:02 >> FOUR WEEKS IN THOSE--I WAS DOING A 4-WEEK CAMPAIGN 33:05 IN NEW ENGLAND. 33:06 >> NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT IS LIKE. 33:08 >> NO, AND I WOULD FINISH IT ON SABBATH AND START THE NEXT ONE 33:13 SOMETIMES THE NEXT NIGHT ON SUNDAY NIGHT. 33:16 AT THE MOST, I HAD TO START IT THE NEXT WEEKEND, THE NEXT 33:19 FRIDAY NIGHT. 33:21 >> LORD HAVE MERCY. 33:21 >> THAT WAS THE MOST TIME I HAD BETWEEN MEETINGS AT THAT TIME. 33:25 >> YOU WENT BACK THEN TO TEXAS? 33:26 >> WENT BACK TO TEXAS AND HAD A DREAM FOR A SELF-SUPPORTING-- 33:31 >> YOU'RE A TEXAN? 33:32 >> YES, I AM. 33:33 >> YOU WENT DOWN TO TEXAS. 33:34 >> I WENT DOWN THERE WITH A DREAM OF BEING IN BUSINESS 33:37 BECAUSE I HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS. 33:39 MY FATHER WAS IN BUSINESS, I KIND OF HAD THAT IN MY BLOOD. 33:43 AND I HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS IN COLLEGE. 33:45 I HAD A DREAM OF BEING IN BUSINESS AS AN ASI BUSINESS AND 33:49 THEN HAVING A MINISTRY AT THE SAME TIME, AN EVANGELISTIC 33:53 MINISTRY. 33:54 IT TOOK ME A LITTLE WHILE TO REALLY GET THAT GOING. 33:57 BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING, JOHN, I CAN REMEMBER TRAVELING OUT 34:01 AND MY FAMILY GOING WITH ME, MY KIDS, JIMMY AND MARYANN 34:06 AND JOHN AND AMY, AND MY WIFE, CAMILLE, WE WOULD GO OUT IN A 34:12 VAN. 34:13 WE GO, DRIVE MANY MILES TO A PLACE WHERE WE WERE HOLDING 34:17 EVANGELISTIC MEETING, HOLD A MEETING AND THOSE KIDS WOULD BE 34:20 ASLEEP WHILE I WOULD DRIVE BACK AT NIGHT. 34:22 THEY GET UP AND GO TO SCHOOL THE NEXT MORNING. 34:24 >> I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. 34:25 >> YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. 34:26 AND SOMETIMES THOSE MEETINGS WERE VERY SMALL. 34:30 AND SOMETIMES I WOULD DRIVE ALONG AND THE LORD AND I WOULD 34:32 JUST BE TALKING AND I'D SAY, "LORD, WHY AM I DOING THIS?" 34:37 AND YOU KNOW-- >> AND CAN YOU BUILD UP THE 34:39 AUDIENCE A LITTLE? 34:40 >> YEAH, RIGHT. 34:41 BUT THE ANSWER CAME BACK TO ME CLEARLY. 34:44 HE SAID, "JIM, KEEP DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE STAYING SHARP. 34:50 I'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU ONE OF THESE DAYS." 34:52 AND WHEN I GOT TO UKRAINE, I FOUND OUT WHAT IT WAS. 34:55 >> TELL US WHAT HAPPENED IN UKRAINE. 34:57 >> WELL, IN UKRAINE, IT WAS ALL THE HOLY SPIRIT. 34:59 I JUST GOT TO WATCH WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS DOING. 35:02 AND IT WAS SO AMAZING AND I JUST USED TO THANK GOD AND SAY, 35:05 "THANK YOU, LORD, FOR LETTING ME SEE THIS." 35:08 >> YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE 35:11 MORE THAT COULD BE ADDED. 35:14 THERE COMES A TIME WHEN GOD NEEDS A MAN. 35:19 THERE WAS A MAN SENT FROM GOD, YOU KNOW? 35:22 JOHN 1. 35:23 >> YEAH. 35:24 >> YOU WERE THERE AT THE RIGHT TIME, IN THE RIGHT PLACE. 35:28 >> 1991. 35:30 COMMUNISM HADN'T FALLEN YET. 35:31 >> NO, NO. 35:32 I WAS IN MOSCOW IN 1991. 35:34 BUT GOD PREPARED YOU FOR THAT PRECIOUS MOMENT IN HISTORY. 35:38 >> EXACTLY, HE DID. 35:40 >> YOU WERE A PART OF HISTORY THERE, JIM. 35:42 >> IT WAS AMAZING. 35:43 NOW DNEPROPETROVSK IS--WAS WHERE MY FIRST MEETING WAS. 35:47 >> YEAH, I KNOW THE CITY. 35:48 >> AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO KIEV, I WAS TOLD I WAS GOING TO 35:51 KIEV FIRST. 35:52 AND THEN I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I COULD SAY 35:55 KIEV AND I CAN--STILL NOT PRONOUNCE DNEPROPETROVSK-- 35:58 >> YOU DO IT PRETTY WELL. 35:59 >> EXACTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. 36:01 AND I COULDN'T FIND IT ON THE MAP. 36:04 I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A TWO AND A HALF MILLION 36:07 POPULATION CITY BECAUSE I COULDN'T EVEN FIND--IT WAS 36:11 ONE OF THOSE CLOSED CITIES, ONE OF THOSE HIDDEN CITIES. 36:14 PEOPLE COULD NOT GO IN AND OUT OF THERE FREELY. 36:17 UP UNTIL 2 YEARS BEFORE THE MEETINGS, A BAPTISM WAS ILLEGAL 36:22 AND PEOPLE COULD GO TO JAIL FOR 6 MONTHS FIRST OFFENSE, UP TO 36:25 3 YEARS SECOND OFFENSE. 36:27 AND SO THAT HOLDS DOWN BAPTISMS QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW. 36:31 AND IN 1946, A LADY BY THE NAME OF DORYA HAD HAD A DREAM THAT 36:38 SOMEDAY A MAN FROM AMERICA WOULD COME TO DNEPROPETROVSK, THAT HE 36:43 WOULD HOLD AN EVANGELISTIC--THAT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WOULD COME, 36:46 THAT HUNDREDS WOULD BE BAPTIZED. 36:48 >> MORE THAN HUNDREDS. 36:49 >> AND THAT THAT LITTLE CHURCH WOULD JUST BLOSSOM INTO MANY 36:53 CHURCHES. 36:55 AND THAT LADY WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN I HELD MY MEETING THERE. 36:59 SHE WAS SICK, LYING AT HOME. 37:01 BUT THEY WOULD TAKE A RECORDER TO HER, 'CAUSE I TOOK A LOT OF 37:04 TAPE RECORDERS WITH ME, AND I GAVE AWAY ONE EVERY NIGHT WITH A 37:08 SET OF TAPES. 37:09 AND THEY WOULD TAKE THE TAPES AND THE RECORDER AND PLAY HER 37:13 THE MESSAGE WHICH SHE COULD HEAR IT IN ENGLISH BUT SHE HEARD THE 37:17 TRANSLATOR AS WELL. 37:19 AND THIS LADY, WITH TEARS FLOWING DOWN HER CHEEKS, BECAUSE 37:22 SHE'D HAD THIS DREAM AND SHE HAD SHARED THE DREAM AND ANOTHER 37:26 LADY HAD HAD THE EXACT SAME DREAM. 37:28 AND THROUGHOUT THE SOVIET UNION, THEY HAD ENCOURAGED THEMSELVES 37:32 THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN SOMEDAY. 37:34 LOOK AT THE MIRACLE, CLOSED CITY, AMERICA COULD 37:38 NOT EVEN GO IN THE CITY. 37:39 AMERICANS COULD CERTAINLY NOT PREACH OR ANYBODY ELSE PREACH 37:43 THE GOSPEL. 37:45 THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF THIS WAS COMPLETE AND TOTAL IMPOSSIBILITY 37:51 WITHOUT GOD'S INTERVENTION. 37:54 >> TELL ME ABOUT THE CROWDS. 37:55 >> WELL THE FIRST NIGHT, IN FACT IT WAS SO AMAZING, THE MAN THAT 38:00 RENTED THE THEATER, IT WAS AN OUTDOOR THEATER BUT IT WAS 38:04 TOTALLY TIGHTLY ENCLOSED, THAT FIRST THEATER I WENT INTO LATER. 38:08 WENT INTO THE SPORTS ARENA AND THE LORD GAVE US OVER 1200 38:11 BAPTISMS IN THAT MEETING. 38:13 >> WAS THAT THE PALACE OF SPORT? 38:14 >> YEAH, THAT'S THE PLACE THERE. 38:17 AND WE--THAT WAS OUR SECOND MEETING. 38:20 BUT IN THAT FIRST MEETING, THEY RENTED A LITTLE PLACE SEATED 38:22 MAYBE 2,000 PEOPLE. 38:25 YOU COULD STAND ANOTHER 1,000; 2,000 IN THE AISLES. 38:29 WHEN WE GOT TO THAT FIRST MEETING THAT NIGHT, AND BY THE 38:33 WAY, SOME OF THE SEATS IN THE BACK, OUTDOOR THEATER, IN THE 38:37 PARK THERE, THEY HAD MOVIES AT NIGHT THERE IN THE SUMMER. 38:42 AND WHEN THEY RENTED IT, THEY SAID, "YOU NEED TO FIX THESE 38:48 SEATS." 38:49 AND THE MAN WHO RAN THE PLACE LAUGHED AND HE SAID, "YOU'LL 38:52 NEVER FILL THIS PLACE. 38:53 NOBODY'S GONNA COME HERE, A RELIGIOUS MEETING." 38:56 >> HAVEN'T WE HEARD THIS? 38:57 >> YEAH, AND THEN HE--THEN HIS STATEMENT WAS, "I'LL TELL YOU 39:01 WHAT. 39:02 IF YOU FILL THE SEAT, I'LL TAKE THE LAST SEAT AND SIT IN IT 39:04 MYSELF." 39:06 AND BEHOLD, HE WAS THERE, SITTING IN THE LAST SEAT 39:10 HIMSELF. 39:11 HE DID FINALLY FIX THOSE SEATS THAT WERE BROKEN IN THE BACK. 39:15 THAT NIGHT, TOTALLY PACKED OUT, PEOPLE STANDING IN ALL THE 39:19 AISLES. 39:20 WE HAD TO GO TWO SESSIONS. 39:22 >> AND YOU COULD SENSE THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT. 39:24 >> OH, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. 39:25 >> YOU COULD FEEL THE POWER THERE. 39:28 >> THERE WERE HEALINGS THAT TOOK PLACE. 39:30 IT WAS PENTECOST. 39:31 THERE WAS--I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING OR FELT ANYTHING LIKE 39:35 THIS IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. 39:37 >> YOU AND I HAVE MANY THINGS IN COMMON. 39:39 >> YES. 39:40 >> WE HAVE SEEN THE LATTER RAIN. 39:42 >> YES, WE HAVE. 39:43 >> I'VE MET PEOPLE WHO SAY, "YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO COME IN THE 39:46 FUTURE." 39:46 YEAH, IT IS. 39:47 IT IS. 39:48 BUT WE HAVE SEEN IT ALSO. 39:49 >> YES, WE HAVE. 39:50 >> WE'VE SEEN THE MIGHTY OUTPOURING OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD. 39:54 >> THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. 39:55 AND YOU KNOW, THE LORD DID SOME MIRACLES THERE BECAUSE 70 YEARS 39:59 THE GOSPEL HADN'T BEEN PREACHED. 40:01 AND THEY BROUGHT IN ALL OF THE PREACHERS, 120 PREACHERS OUT IN 40:04 A FIELD SCHOOL EVERY MORNING. 40:07 AND THEN WE WOULD GATHER FOR AN HOUR AND PRAY OVER EVERY ONE OF 40:12 THOSE REQUESTS THAT CAME IN, EVERY INTEREST THAT WAS THERE. 40:17 WE PRAYED FOR THOSE PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE MORNING. 40:21 AND THE MIRACLES THAT WE SAW AND HEALINGS THAT HAPPENED AND JUST 40:26 ABSOLUTE MIRACLES THAT WERE--SOME OF THEM THAT WERE 40:30 VERIFIED BY X-RAYS, FOR INSTANCE. 40:35 CANCERS THAT WERE GONE, THAT NO LONGER SHOWED UP ON X-RAYS. 40:39 THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 40:41 >> HE'S ALIVE. 40:42 >> HE IS. 40:42 I'M JUST--THANK GOD HE LET ME SEE WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO. 40:46 >> I WANT TO TELL THE PEOPLE, HE'S ALIVE. 40:47 >> YES, HE IS. 40:48 >> YOU SHOULD NEVER BE DISCOURAGED BECAUSE JESUS IS 40:51 ALIVE. 40:53 WHEN WE WERE IN DNEPROPETROVSK, WE CAME TO WORK ON FOUNDATIONS 40:55 THAT YOU HAD SO WONDERFULLY 41:00 ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE POWER OF GOD. 41:02 WE SAW HEALINGS. 41:03 >> YES. 41:04 >> PEOPLE SAY, "WELL, THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN ANYMORE." 41:06 >> OH, YES THEY DO. 41:07 >> WE SAW A LADY WHO WAS DYING OF CANCER. 41:10 WE ANOINTED HER IN THE NAME OF THE LORD BETWEEN TWO SESSIONS. 41:14 AND WHEN I WENT BACK THE FOLLOWING WINTER TO GREET THE 41:16 PEOPLE, I WALKED UP ON THE STAGE, VAST CROWD OF PEOPLE 41:20 THERE, AND THE LADY WHO WELCOMED 41:25 ME BROUGHT A BIG BOUQUET OF FLOWERS. 41:29 SHE SAID, "YOU DON'T REMEMBER ME." 41:31 SHE SAID, "I WAS THE LADY THEY WERE GOING TO BURY." 41:35 SHE SAID, "I WAS COMPLETELY HEALED OF CANCER." 41:40 SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WILL OF GOD IS FOR EVERY SPECIFIC 41:44 SITUATION, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT GOD IS MORE THAN ABLE TO TAKE 41:49 CARE OF THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE. 41:50 >> YOU KNOW, JOHN, IN THAT MEETING, WE ONLY WENT 3 WEEKS 41:53 AND ONLY DID 1 BAPTISM. 41:56 AND THEY HAD NEVER HAD A BAPTISM OF MORE THAN A FEW PEOPLE IN 42:00 UKRAINE AT THAT TIME. 42:02 AND THERE WERE 480 IN THAT BAPTISM. 42:06 AND THE PEOPLE SAID, "NO MORE, NO, THERE CANNOT BE ANYMORE." 42:10 THEY COULD NOT HANDLE--THE PASTORS COULDN'T THINK THAT THAT 42:14 MANY PEOPLE COULD BE READY, EXCEPT JESUS. 42:17 >> SOME PEOPLE, WE'LL LET THEM REMAIN ANONYMOUS, SENT ME A 42:20 MESSAGE DURING THE KIEV CAMPAIGN. 42:23 WE SAW THOUSANDS BAPTIZED. 42:25 THEY TOLD ME A MESSAGE, "GET BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG, 42:28 GET BACK TO AMERICA. 42:30 WE DON'T WANT YOU PREACHING OVER THERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE 42:33 THAT THESE PEOPLE COULD BE READY." 42:35 >> YEAH, BUT WHEN I WENT TO KIEV, I WAS LOOKING--THEY HAD 42:39 PUT OUT NO ADVERTISING WHEN I WENT. 42:42 I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, WE HAD PAID TO HAVE SOME THINGS PRINTED. 42:45 WE HAD PAID TO HAVE THE POSTERS. 42:47 AND I'M DRIVING ALONG AND I KNOW HOW TO GET A FEEL FOR IT. 42:51 AND I SAID, "THESE POSTERS HAVE NOT BEEN PUT OUT." 42:55 AND THEY SAID, "OH, YES, THEY'VE BEEN PUT OUT." 42:57 I SAID, "NO, THEY HAVEN'T. 42:58 I WOULD KNOW." 42:59 THAT NIGHT, THEY WENT AND TACKED UP POSTERS BETWEEN WHERE I WAS 43:04 STAYING AND THE THEATER AND SAID, "SEE, THERE'S A POSTER." 43:08 I SAID, "THOSE HAVE JUST BEEN TACKED UP OVERNIGHT." 43:10 >> AND THESE ARE OUR FRIENDS. 43:11 >> THESE WERE--YOU KNOW WHAT? 43:12 THE PRESIDENT OF THAT PARTICULAR CONFERENCE AT THAT PARTICULAR 43:15 TIME, HE WAS NO LONGER PRESIDENT. 43:17 BUT HE SAID, "WE CAN'T HANDLE THE BAPTISMS." 43:21 >> I KNOW. 43:21 >> WE DON'T HAVE THE PASTORS, WE DON'T HAVE THE CHURCH. 43:24 WE JUST KIND OF WANTED A LITTLE REVIVAL. 43:27 AND SO THIS WAS THE KIND OF THING YOU SOMETIMES HAD TO 43:30 BATTLE AGAINST, JOHN. 43:32 >> OH, OFTEN. 43:32 >> YEAH. 43:33 >> HOW WAS THIS PAID FOR? 43:35 >> WELL, WE JUST MOSTLY PAID FOR IT OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET AND 43:38 SOME OF OUR FRIENDS. 43:39 I NEVER HAD MORE THAN $15,000 FOR ANY BUDGET THAT WE HELD. 43:44 AND THE LORD GAVE US--WHEN WE BACK TO DNEPROPETROVSK, WE GOT 43:47 400 THERE AND THEN WE GOT ANOTHER 200 THAT CAME OUT 43:51 EVENTUALLY. 43:52 WE WENT BACK AND GOT 1200 PLUS AND THEN OTHERS AND-- 43:57 >> YEAH, THOUSANDS. 43:57 >> YEAH, WE WENT TO ODESSA, WE HAD BASICALLY THE SAME TYPE OF 44:01 SITUATION, A TOTAL OF 2,000 THERE OVER THE 2 MEETINGS. 44:05 AND THEN, JOHN, WHEN THEY ADDED 'EM ALL UP, THEY SAID THAT THE 44:09 LORD HAD GIVEN US OVER 10,000 BAPTISMS JUST IN KIEV--JUST IN 44:14 THE UKRAINE. 44:15 WELL, WE LOVE THOSE PEOPLE, WE LOVE THOSE PEOPLE. 44:18 >> BUT WE DO THIS FOR-- >> BUT REMEMBER, THIS WAS GOD'S 44:20 DOING. 44:21 HE--I JUST THANKED HIM, HE LET US SEE IT. 44:23 WE TAKE NO CREDIT FOR IT WHATSOEVER. 44:25 >> WE CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT IS HIS 44:27 WORK. 44:28 BUT THERE WAS A MAN SENT FROM GOD AND YOU WERE THAT MAN, JIM. 44:32 >> WELL, IT WAS GOD'S DOING AND IT WAS JUST A THRILL THAT HE LET 44:36 US DO IT. 44:37 >> NOW LATER ON YOU BECAME A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT. 44:40 >> YEAH, THEN THE SOUL WINNING STOPPED. 44:45 I'M SORRY, NOT REALLY. 44:47 BUT YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION-- 44:49 >> YOU AND I SHOULDN'T GET TOGETHER TOO MUCH. 44:52 >> I LOVED BEING A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE 44:55 TO WORK WITH ADMINISTERS AND SUPPORT THOSE GUYS AND ENCOURAGE 44:59 THEM. 44:59 >> WHEN YOU BECAME A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT, FOR HOW LONG DID YOU 45:03 STAY? 45:04 >> SEVEN YEARS. 45:05 >> NO, BUT WASN'T THERE A LITTLE INTERLUDE OR SOMETHING? 45:08 >> OH, YOU KNOW, I WAS-- >> SHOULD I NOT BE TALKING ABOUT 45:11 THIS? 45:11 I MEAN, IT'S IN YOUR BOOK, IT'S IN ONE OF YOUR BOOKS. 45:14 >> IT'S IN THE "KEEP ON KEEPING ON"-- 45:15 >> WELL, I THINK IT'S THIS ONE, "GOD WITH US," WHICH IS A 45:17 MARVELOUS BOOK. 45:18 AND THEN THERE'S "KEEP ON--" >> GOD FOR US, "KEEP ON KEEPING 45:21 ON" TELLS THE REAL TRUE STORY OF A LOT OF THINGS. 45:25 I THOUGHT THAT I WAS GONNA RETIRE AFTER THAT, 45:28 THEN I DECIDED, "WHY RETIRE? 45:31 I'M GONNA PREACHING ANYWAYS, SO WHY--" 45:33 >> RETIRE IS A NICE WORD. 45:34 >> IT'S--I DON'T THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD WORD. 45:37 >> WELL, IT'S BETTER THAN BEING SACKED. 45:40 >> I HAD SOMEBODY TELL ME THE OTHER DAY, THEY SAID, 45:42 "YOU ARE NOT A VERY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR RETIREMENT." 45:45 >> NO, YOU'RE NOT. 45:46 >> SO I THOUGHT IF I'M NOT GONNA BE GOOD AT IT, WHY DO IT? 45:49 >> YOU KNOW WHAT H.M.S RICHARDS SAID? 45:51 >> YEAH, HE SAID TWO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE. 45:53 >> AND WHAT ARE THOSE TWO THINGS THAT A MINISTER CAN'T DO. 45:55 >> RETIRE-- >> AND TELL LIES. 45:57 >> YEAH. 45:59 >> AND THAT'S THE TRUTH. 46:01 THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN A MINISTER OR A PERSON WHO 46:05 PROFESSES THE NAME OF JESUS WHO TELLS LIES. 46:09 >> YOU KNOW, I HEARD-- >> THEY'RE TWO-FACED. 46:10 >> I HEARD RICHARDS ONE TIME SAY, "THERE ARE TWO THINGS NOT 46:13 IN THE BIBLE. 46:14 ONE'S RETIREMENT, THE OTHER'S SUNDAY-KEEPING." 46:17 HE SAID, "YOU CAN'T PROVE EITHER ONE FROM THE BIBLE." 46:19 >> YEAH, AND HE'S RIGHT. 46:20 >> YEAH. 46:21 >> SO YOU WERE A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT. 46:22 >> YES. 46:24 >> AND THEN YOU GOT TIED UP WITH THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION, 46:28 WHICH BASICALLY FUNDS THE REST OF THE WORLD. 46:31 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CALL TO GO TO ADVENTIST WORLD RADIO 46:35 AS VICE PRESIDENT AND THEY SAID, "YOU WILL BE THE NEXT 46:39 PRESIDENT." 46:40 AND SO I TURNED IT DOWN. 46:43 THEY CALLED AGAIN AND I TURNED IT DOWN. 46:46 THEN THE--OUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR CAUGHT HIS HOUSE ON FIRE AND IT 46:50 BURNED OUR HOUSE AND THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BURNED ALL THREE 46:53 OF US DOWN. 46:54 >> AND THAT'S HOW YOU LOST YOUR BOOTS. 46:55 >> YEAH, IT'S EXACTLY--SO AFTER THAT-- 46:58 >> THAT'S WORSE THAN A RECESSION. 46:59 >> DON SCHNEIDER CALLED AND ASKED ME TO COME 47:02 AS VICE PRESIDENT. 47:04 I SAID, "DON, I'M A CHEAP MOVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE 47:07 ANYTHING TO MOVE EXCEPT A FEW CLOTHES." 47:10 AND SO I SAID, "YOU KNOW, I'M AFRAID TO SAY NO. 47:14 I'VE SAID NO TWICE TO A CALL TO WASHINGTON AND I THINK THAT I'D 47:20 BETTER SAY YES." 47:21 WORKING WITH DON SCHNEIDER WAS A REAL PRIVILEGE. 47:26 THIS IS A MAN OF GOD. 47:28 HE IS FORWARD THINKING, HE IS A TRUE, LOYAL FRIEND. 47:33 AND I WILL TELL YOU-- >> IN OTHER WORDS, HE'S A 47:34 CHRISTIAN. 47:35 >> HE IS EVERY BIT OF CHRISTIAN. 47:37 >> AND HE'S GENUINE. 47:38 >> HE--YOU KNOW, WE USED TO CALL HIM THE KING OF CARE BECAUSE 47:42 PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THE WAY THAT DON WAS--SOMETIMES, HE WOULD 47:46 HAVE A SABBATH WHEN WE'D SAY, "WOW, THIS GREAT, DON'S GONNA 47:50 GET TO REST." 47:51 AND THEN WE'D FIND OUT HE'D GET IN HIS CAR, DRIVE SEVERAL 47:54 HUNDRED MILES TO ENCOURAGE SOME POOR, DOWN AND OUT PREACHER THAT 47:59 WAS MAYBE SICK OR SOMEBODY HE HAD HEARD ABOUT, AND GO OUT 48:03 THERE AND JUST LOVE 'EM AND PRAY WITH 'EM AND WEAR HIMSELF OUT IN 48:08 THE PROCESS. 48:10 BUT HE GAVE OF HIMSELF, HE AND MARTI ARE--THEY LOVE THE LORD, 48:14 THEY REALLY DO. 48:15 AND BY THE WAY, THE SAME KIND OF THING WITH THE NEW PRESIDENT, 48:19 DAN JACKSON AND HIS WIFE, THESE ARE COMMITTED CHRISTIAN PEOPLE. 48:24 OH, FANTASTIC PEOPLE. 48:26 I KNEW DAN WHEN HE WAS--WE WERE CONFERENCE PRESIDENTS TOGETHER 48:29 AND THEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH IN CANADA WHICH IS 48:33 THE CANADIAN UNION. 48:34 >> IS HE A CANADIAN? 48:35 >> YES, HE IS. 48:36 AND-- >> PART OF THE BRITISH 48:38 COMMONWEALTH, REMIND YOU, JIM. 48:40 >> YEAH, BUT HE AND DON SCHNEIDER HAVE MANY 48:44 SIMILARITIES AND BEING FRIENDLY PEOPLE, ENJOY HUMOR, BUT READY 48:51 TO TACKLE THINGS AND BRING SOLUTIONS. 48:55 AND I--WE HAVE GREAT HOPE FOR JACKSON. 48:57 AND BY THE WAY, DON IS STILL MINISTERING. 48:59 HE'S PASTORING RIGHT NOW IN DENVER, COLORADO, DENVER SOUTH. 49:04 >> GOD BLESS HIM. 49:05 >> OH, YEAH. 49:07 >> THEN YOU BECAME MORE RECENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN. 49:10 >> MM-HMM. 49:11 >> THIS IS A RATHER DIFFICULT QUESTION. 49:14 NOT FOR ME TO ASK. 49:18 WHY DOES 3ABN GET SO MUCH OPPOSITION FROM PEOPLE WHO OUGHT 49:23 TO BE SUPPORTING? 49:24 >> WELL, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. 49:26 IF YOU WERE THE DEVIL. 49:27 >> MM-HMM. 49:28 >> AND THAT'S NOT HARD TO IMAGINE--I'M JUST TEASING, JOHN. 49:34 I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE, "I CAN IMAGINE MYSELF--" 49:37 >> IT'S A BLESSING. 49:38 >> IF I WERE THE DEVIL--LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, IF I WERE THE 49:40 DEVIL, I WOULD NOT BE ATTACKING PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T DOING 49:44 ANYTHING. 49:44 I WOULD ATTACK A MINISTRY THAT WAS EFFECTIVE, I REALLY WOULD. 49:50 AND 3ABN IS SO EFFECTIVE. 49:53 I WAS JUST, A FEW WEEKS AGO, WITH PASTOR MARVIN WRAY UP IN 49:58 NAPA, CALIFORNIA. 49:59 HE WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING A MOTORCYCLE TRIP. 50:01 IN FACT, I BOUGHT HIS BOOK, IT TELLS ABOUT THAT, IT'S A GREAT 50:03 BOOK. 50:04 AND I-- >> HE'S TAKING--GONNA RIDE A 50:07 MOTORBIKE? 50:08 >> HE RODE IT ALL AROUND THE UNITED STATES, 12,000 MILES 50:11 OR SO, AND WOULD STOP AND VISIT A LOT-- 50:13 >> HOW OLD IS HE? 50:14 >> A LOT OF CHURCHES. 50:15 WELL, I DON'T KNOW, HE'S-- >> OLD ENOUGH. 50:17 >> YOUNGER THAN YOU AND I, BUT HE'S OLDER THAN MOST PEOPLE. 50:20 >> HE'S OLD ENOUGH TO GET A LICENSE. 50:21 >> HE'S OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE A LICENSE. 50:22 AND SO HE--WHEN HE GOT TO LAS VEGAS AND HE WENT TO THE 50:27 MOUNTAIN VIEW CHURCH, HE TOLD ME, HE SAID, "I WAS AMAZED THAT 50:32 THE PASTOR TOLD ME THAT HIS BIGGEST NUMBER OF BAPTISMS COME 50:36 FROM 3ABN." 50:38 AND HE SAID, "THE MOUNTAIN VIEW CHURCH IS THOUGHT OF AS SORT OF 50:42 A LIBERAL CHURCH." 50:43 >> THIS IS LAS VEGAS? 50:44 >> YEAH. 50:45 >> WE BAPTIZED A PERSON IN THIS CHURCH FROM LAS VEGAS 50:47 BECAUSE OF 3ABN. 50:48 >> ABSOLUTELY. 50:49 AND PARADISE CHURCH DOES THE SAME. 50:51 IN FACT, OVER 300 PEOPLE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE WALKED 50:57 INTO CHURCHES IN THE LAS VEGAS AREA, THERE ARE 13 CHURCHES IN 51:01 THE GREATER AREA. 51:02 >> YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE. 51:03 >> AND BEEN BAPTIZED DIRECTLY AS A RESULT OF WATCHING THE TV 51:08 CHANNEL THAT WE HAVE THERE IN LAS VEGAS. 51:12 AND IT'S AMAZING THE IMPACT THAT 3ABN HAS. 51:17 AND SO IF I WERE THE DEVIL, I'D BE ATTACKING THIS, I'D DO MY 51:21 BEST TO TRY TO GET THIS. 51:22 I WOULD USE GOOD PEOPLE TO ATTACK THEM, I WOULD USE BAD 51:24 PEOPLE TO ATTACK THEM, I WOULD 51:27 USE ANYTHING THAT I COULD IF I WERE THE DEVIL. 51:30 >> BUT THOSE PEOPLE OUGHT TO REALIZE THIS, IT'S A DANGEROUS 51:34 THING TO ATTACK THE WORK OF GOD. 51:36 >> YES, IT IS. 51:37 >> AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE MOTIVES BEHIND THESE ATTACKS, 51:40 I SEEM TO THINK, ARE LESS THAN RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY. 51:45 3ABN HAS BEEN USED BY GOD, BLESSED BY GOD, IT CONTINUES TO 51:50 BE SO. 51:51 MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE JEALOUSY SOMEWHERE THERE. 51:54 >> YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE RECEIVE ANY KIND OF ATTACK, WE SEARCH 51:58 OUR HEARTS. 51:59 >> YES. 52:00 >> AND WE SAY, "LORD, IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT WE NEED TO 52:04 LEARN FROM THIS?" 52:06 WE GO TO OUR KNEES AND WE PRAY AND WE PRAY OUR WAY THROUGH THE 52:11 ATTACKS AND WE SAY, "LORD, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE'RE NOT 52:15 PERFECT." 52:15 IN FACT, THE PROPHET TELLS US THAT THIS WORK IS GONNA BE 52:19 FINISHED BY WEAK, ERRING PEOPLE. 52:22 >> YEAH, WELL, HE'S GOT A COUPLE HERE. 52:24 >> I'M QUALIFIED. 52:25 >> YEAH, I'M QUALIFIED TOO. 52:26 >> IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE, I'M DEFINITELY QUALIFIED. 52:29 >> I WANT TO SAY TO YOU, FRIEND, WATCHING, DON'T NEED TO BE 52:31 DISCOURAGED. 52:32 THE LORD IS GOING TO USE PEOPLE LIKE JIM AND ME. 52:35 AND IF HE CAN USE US, I THINK HE CAN JUST ABOUT USE ANYBODY. 52:39 >> WELL, I BELIEVE THAT. 52:41 AND WE NEVER TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED. 52:43 WE KNOW THAT HE CAN REPLACE US JUST LIKE THAT. 52:47 >> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BIG PROJECTS OF 3ABN? 52:49 >> OH, MAN, THE MOST EXCITING THING THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON 52:52 RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE GOT A NEW CHANNEL CALLED, "DARE TO DREAM." 52:56 THIS IS FOR THE URBAN PEOPLE AND FOR MINORITIES. 53:02 AND DR. YVONNE LEWIS IS THE ONE WHO'S HEADING THAT UP. 53:07 LATINO IS GROWING LEAPS AND BOUNDS, 3ABN LATINO. 53:12 WE JUST SIGNED UP LAST--RECENTLY, IT WAS MORE THAN 53:16 A WEEK AGO NOW, BUT-- >> AND THESE WERE WARM PEOPLE. 53:19 >> YES, THEY ARE. 53:20 WE SIGNED UP, ON ONE DAY, SEVENTY-SEVEN NEW CABLE OUTLETS. 53:26 >> SEVENTY-SEVEN. 53:27 >> ONE DAY. 53:28 AND THEY JUST KEEP COMING IN FOR LATINO. 53:32 WE HAVE 3ABN PROCLAIM. 53:35 AND THIS IS PREACHING, NOTHING BUT PREACHING, 24/7, ONE SERMON 53:40 AFTER ANOTHER. 53:42 IF SOMEONE WANTS PREACHING, THEY CAN GET IT THERE. 53:45 WE HAVE 3ABN RUSSIAN. 53:46 NOW ALL OF THESE ARE AVAILABLE IN THE INTERNET. 53:48 >> YEAH, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 53:50 >> YEAH, 3ABN RUSSIAN, AND YOU KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THAT. 53:53 AND THEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR 3ABN, WHICH IS ON 1200 DIFFERENT 54:00 CABLE OUTLETS. 54:01 AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S ON DISH NETWORK AND-- 54:07 >> THIS IS WHY THE DEVIL'S POPPING MAD. 54:09 >> YEAH, AND IT IS TRUE. 54:10 >> AND HE SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF ASSISTANCE. 54:13 >> YEAH. 54:14 WELL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THAT 54:20 GOD'S WORK'S GONNA BE ATTACKED. 54:22 THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IS UNDER ATTACK, PERIOD. 54:25 >> HE SAID, "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH ON THIS ROCK. 54:28 THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST THIS CHURCH." 54:32 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 54:33 >> SOME PEOPLE OF COURSE HAVE A VERY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING AT 54:36 WHAT CONSTITUTES THE CHURCH. 54:38 >> YES. 54:39 >> BUT THE CHURCH IS MADE UP OF THE FAITHFUL IN CHRIST JESUS. 54:42 TELL ME THIS, JIM. 54:43 THIS IS IMPORTANT, ALL RIGHT. 54:44 I WANT YOU TO TELL ME. 54:47 HOW IS 3ABN DOING FINANCIALLY? 54:50 BECAUSE TIMES ARE TOUGH. 54:51 DOES 3ABN NEED SOME HELP AT THIS TIME? 54:54 >> WE ALWAYS NEED HELP. 54:55 THERE ARE ALWAYS MORE PROJECTS--BY THE WAY, WE KEEP 54:59 SPENDING MORE AND MORE MONEY. 55:01 AND I HAD A MAN THE OTHER DAY WHO WROTE ME A LETTER, I WISH 55:05 HE'D SIGNED 'CAUSE I'D LOVE TO CALL HIM AND THANKED HIM FOR THE 55:08 LETTER. 55:09 HE HAD A LOT OF GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS IN IT. 55:12 >> EXCEPT HE COULDN'T SIGN HIS OWN NAME. 55:14 >> EXCEPT HE COULDN'T SIGN IT, HE COULDN'T SIGN IT. 55:16 AND I WISH HE HAD. 55:17 BUT HE MADE A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT IS SO TRUE, HE SAID, 55:21 "I BELIEVE--" HE WAS GIVING ME A HARD TIME FOR TALKING ABOUT 55:23 MONEY. 55:24 HE SAID, "I BELIEVE THAT IF SOMEBODY GAVE 3ABN A BILLION 55:29 DOLLARS THAT YOU'D BE ASKING FOR MONEY AGAIN VERY SOON." 55:33 >> THAT'S CORRECT. 55:34 >> AND I SAID, "HE'S RIGHT. 55:35 WE WOULD SPEND IT TO PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL." 55:39 JOHN, WE DO NOT WANT $1 IN THE BANK WHEN CHRIST COMES. 55:43 >> YOU ARE CORRECT. 55:44 >> IF WE WERE HOARDING MONEY AND NOT PREACHING THIS MESSAGE, THEN 55:49 WE ARE NOT TRUE TO WHAT GOD HAS ASKED US TO DO IN PROCLAIMING 55:54 THE GOSPEL. 55:55 I DON'T WANT TO BE FOUND WITH $2 OR $3 MILLION. 55:57 NOW LOOK, WE HAVE TWO BANK ACCOUNTS, OUR TRUST IS 56:01 DIFFERENT. 56:02 THE TRUST DEPARTMENT, THAT'S NOT OUR MONEY. 56:05 THAT'S FOR THE BANK OF CALIFORNIA, THAT'S INVESTED WITH 56:08 PROFESSIONALS, THAT IS GUARDED LIKE FORT KNOX. 56:12 OUR MONEY IS THE MONEY THAT PEOPLE SEND IN AND THAT'S THE 56:16 ONLY THING WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO CHURCH OR DENOMINATIONAL 56:19 AFFILIATION OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. 56:21 NOBODY'S BACK THERE WITH A BIG CHECKBOOK. 56:24 >> NOW JIM, I WANT TO GIVE A MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE. 56:27 >> ALL RIGHT. 56:28 >> 'CAUSE YOU AND I HAVE GOT ONE GIFT, THE GIFT OF TALKING. 56:32 >> YEAH. 56:33 >> WE BELIEVE IN THE MINISTRY OF 3ABN. 56:35 GOD RAISED UP THIS MINISTRY, STAND BY THEM IN THIS TREMENDOUS 56:40 HOUR. 56:42 AND MY DEAR BROTHER, JIM. 56:43 >> YOU'RE VERY KIND, JOHN. 56:44 >> NO, NO, NO, IT'S MY JOY. 56:47 IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO KNOW YOU SO LONG. 56:49 >> WELL, IT'S OUR PRIVILEGE. 56:51 >> YOU'RE A DEAR FRIEND. 56:52 >> OUR PRIVILEGE. 56:53 >> GOD BLESS YOU, JIM. 56:53 AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 56:55 GOD BLESS YOU. 56:59 CC BY ABERDEEN CAPTIONING 1-800-688-6621 WWW.ABERCAP.COM 57:02 [MUSIC] 57:26 [MUSIC] |
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