Participants: Pr. John Carter
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Program Code: CR001502A
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00:08 The Carter Report presents
00:10 "The Living Word" around the world. 00:16 Hello friend, I'm John Carter. 00:19 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:22 My guest today is an American attorney, Alan Reinach, 00:27 who is a great champion of religious liberty 00:30 and civil freedoms. 00:33 He believes and I believe it too that freedom here 00:36 in the United States is under attack. 00:39 Gonna talk about it today. 00:42 Welcome to this special edition of "The Carter Report." 00:49 Hi, I'm John Carter. 00:51 I guess the toughest place that I've ever been to, 00:54 as far as preaching of the gospel 00:56 is concerned, is India. 00:59 Home to more than a billion souls. 01:03 And I guess, hundreds of million of different Gods. 01:08 It almost overwhelms the senses. 01:11 What can we do? 01:12 Well, we've been to India, we've run outdoor meetings. 01:16 We've had thousands and thousands of people, 01:18 Hindus, Muslims at our meetings coming forth in altar calls. 01:24 But we're going to try to do something else as well. 01:26 We're gonna start small. 01:29 We're starting with a program called 01:31 "Touching the Untouchables." 01:34 And we're going to start with a little untouchable goals. 01:38 We're doing this now. 01:40 We're getting them food, because they're so hungry. 01:43 Hard to come to Jesus, when you're hungry 01:46 and so we're getting them food 01:48 and we will be sending them to school. 01:51 We're trying to feed 01:53 their souls and fill their bellies. 01:56 In India, home to more than a billion souls 02:01 and hundreds of million of Gods, 02:05 controlled by evil spirits. 02:07 Please help us in this work. Please help us. 02:10 Write to me, John Carter, post office box 1900, 02:13 Thousand Oaks, California, 91358 02:17 or write to me at Terrigal in Australia. 02:20 We have an Australian office as we have an Indian office, 02:24 with somebody there working full time 02:27 trying to touch the untouchables 02:31 with the love of Jesus. 02:33 Please write to me today. 02:35 And Jesus said, "I've come to seek 02:39 and to save that which was lost." 02:49 Welcome to the Carter Report. 02:51 And Alan, a super welcome to you. 02:54 It's great to be back with you, Carter. 02:55 You're a great guest and we're blessed 02:58 by your contributions to these discussions. 03:01 Thank you, John. 03:02 Now we're talking about freedom 03:03 and we believe that freedom is based up on the Bible. 03:06 We do. 03:07 We believe that it's based up on Protestantism 03:10 that we come from the very hand of God 03:13 and every person is important and therefore 03:15 every person has a right to freedom. 03:18 Tell me about post-modernism, please. 03:22 Well, it's true John, that America has been 03:27 a beacon of freedom to the world 03:29 because of our Protestant foundation. 03:31 Not everybody understands that or believes that. 03:34 And that doesn't mean that everyone 03:36 in the founding of our country were believers, 03:38 were born again, were saved were Christians. 03:41 But there was a Protestant culture that respected 03:45 the rights of the individual. 03:47 The culture. 03:48 And it came out of the Protestant doctrines 03:51 about the necessity of a personal relationship 03:55 with Jesus Christ through faith. 03:57 Now, for a long time 03:59 there was this kind of philosophical contest 04:02 between Christianity and the enlightenment, 04:06 which was rational, it was secular 04:09 and there was this idea 04:11 of the inavailability of human progress. 04:14 But really with the collapse of the twin towers, 04:18 the enlightenment idea of human progress collapsed with it. 04:25 And the terrorist activities did more to destroy 04:29 the enlightenment than two centuries 04:32 of debate with Christianity. 04:34 This is absolutely astounding what you're saying. 04:36 But in the mean time, out of the cultural revolutions 04:41 of the '60s and the '70s we had the new age movement 04:45 which morphed into what we call post-modernism. 04:48 And modernism by contrast, was you know, 04:53 the enlightenment was rationalism, was logical, 04:56 was based on reason, humanism, was part of the enlightenment. 05:01 And the notion that the human brain, 05:04 we could reason, we could think, 05:06 we could develop for ourselves. 05:09 Post-modernism, on the other hand, 05:12 essential supplants experience in place of logic and reason. 05:18 Alan, it is believed today by millions 05:22 that we are the product of time plus matter plus chance. 05:28 This of course is neo-Darwinism. 05:31 Man is the product of time plus matter plus chance 05:34 therefore you don't need the Bible. 05:37 And if you don't need the Bible, 05:38 the concept of freedom, 05:40 personal freedom is an antiquated notion. 05:43 You know, all we have to do is go back 05:45 and look at the later part of the 19th century, 05:49 when we had, what was known 05:50 as social-Darwinism, survival of the fittest. 05:53 Yes, yes. 05:54 It was a very brutal time in the early 05:57 part of the industrializing of America. 05:59 And Alan, the 20th century, the greatest wars 06:02 in the history of human race. 06:04 And the greatest destruction of human life, 06:07 systematically by the government. 06:10 You know, but Nietzsche, don't you? 06:12 Yes. 06:13 Nietzsche was the great philosopher who said, 06:15 there is no God and therefore if there's no God, 06:17 the death of God always leads to the death of man. 06:20 Hitler slept with a copy of Friedrich Nietzsche, 06:24 the German philosopher, under his pillow. 06:27 Look, if man is not, does not have an inherent dignity 06:32 because he's created in Gods image. 06:34 Yes. 06:35 Then why should we care about protecting human rights? 06:39 And this is the very, very heart of the matter 06:42 and we want the audience to understand this, 06:45 the very heart of this matter is human dignity and freedom. 06:50 Let's talk about your right to practice your sexuality 06:55 and my rights to practice my religion. 06:59 They're in conflict, John. 07:01 And this is really the main issue facing religious freedom 07:07 in America today is, how do we achieve 07:11 a live and let live politically, legally 07:14 that respects the rights of the LGBT community to-- 07:19 And we should respect those rights. 07:21 Of course. 07:22 We don't believe in that philosophy, 07:24 but we need to respect those rights. 07:27 Everyone has in America, are genius of our system 07:32 is respecting everyone's right to live 07:34 according to their own vision, their own values, 07:37 their own lifestyle, their own religious beliefs. 07:40 The problem is, right now it seems to be a zero-some game, 07:44 where there is this culture war 07:46 between the LGBT community on the one hand 07:49 and liberal, secular, civil rights community versus 07:53 the religious right, that's very anti-gay 07:57 and anti-gay rights and so there's this clash 08:00 and the left ones to see religious freedom as the enemy 08:04 and the right ones to see gay rights is the enemy 08:07 and very few on either side are willing to find 08:10 some sort of middle ground, some sort of compromise. 08:14 The old intolerance. 08:15 Alan, I want to make a statement, 08:17 in fact I'm going to read it. 08:20 I want everybody to hear this statement. 08:21 I want them to listen up 08:23 and hear what we believe on homosexuality. 08:27 "I believe that a homosexual 08:30 has the God given right to be a homosexual." 08:33 Amen. 08:34 Well said, yeah. 08:35 "I may not agree or disagree with homosexuality," 08:39 That's not the point. 08:41 "But I believe we should defend 08:43 the rights of all men and women. 08:45 As Christians, we are called to show unconditional love." 08:51 Please comment, Alan. 08:53 The culture war has taught, the homosexuals taught 08:58 the gay person that God hates facts. 09:01 This is disgusting. This is dreadful 09:04 This is not my language, 09:05 this is the language that we hear. 09:07 Okay? And so- 09:09 And that's so unchristian. 09:10 We have the language in the church about 09:13 loving the sinner and hating the sin. 09:15 But frankly, the sinner all they hear 09:18 and feel is the hatred. 09:19 Yes. 09:20 And you know, beyond the political 09:22 and legal issues for Christians, 09:25 the main event is gospel of Jesus Christ 09:29 that Christ died for everyone. 09:31 Yes. 09:32 For gays, for straight people, for blacks, for whites, 09:35 for people of all faith, every human being, 09:38 there's a great leveling, the gospel is a great leveler. 09:42 We are all sinners and we are all loved by God 09:46 and Christ died for each one of us. 09:48 Now, of course, we're going to get letters and phone calls 09:52 from people who are going to object to your sentiments 09:56 and object to my ideas. 09:58 Let me read it again, Alan. 10:00 "I believe that a homosexual 10:02 has the God given right to be a homosexual. 10:05 I may not agree or disagree with homosexuality," 10:08 That's not the point. 10:10 "But I believe we should defend 10:12 the rights of all men and women. 10:14 As Christians, we are called to show unconditional love." 10:19 You know, I'm reminded John, that in the book 10:22 "The Keys of This Blood, a Roman-Catholic stalwart -- 10:24 Yes, the Malachi Martin. 10:27 And insightful guide-- 10:29 Yeah, adjudge, you would. 10:30 He characterized Seventh-day Adventist 10:33 of which I am one of believing 10:36 that everyone has the right to be wrong. 10:38 Of course. 10:39 Now, you're what you believe to be wrong 10:42 is gonna be different 10:43 from what somebody else believes to be wrong. 10:46 And you know, Malachi Martin will have a different view 10:49 on what's wrong in religion than I do. 10:52 Yes. 10:53 So, I think he was right. Absolutely right. 10:55 We believe that people have 10:57 the right to disagree to be different. 10:59 Well of course, in the great-- America was founded 11:03 on that principle, of Protestantism. 11:05 But in the Roman-Catholic countries, for thousand years, 11:09 people had the right, to be right. 11:12 Well, this is it. 11:14 I didn't have the right to be-- I have the right to be wrong. 11:15 Yeah, no-- the Pope said 11:18 you don't have the right to be a heretic-- 11:20 you don't have the right to teach heresy. 11:22 Error has no rights. 11:24 That was the philosophy. 11:25 But we believe in the right to be wrong. 11:27 Well,-- Of course-- 11:29 See the problem is, 11:30 if you don't have the right to be wrong 11:32 then who has the right to define what is right? 11:35 And whoever has that right 11:36 has the power then to oppress people who disagree. 11:40 And we believe that the concept of persecution 11:43 is the very heart and essence of anti-Christ. 11:47 Correct. 11:48 Now, Alan, here it is. Wait for it. 11:54 "Should a Christian be forced by the government 11:57 to participate in so called same sex marriage, 12:02 when his religion says, it is wrong?" 12:05 I'm thinking particularly of the pizza people, 12:08 who wouldn't go along to a wedding 12:11 and they got a big fine. 12:13 I don't remember the pizza ones, 12:14 there's a florist, there's a baker, 12:17 there's you know several that have been fined. 12:20 Then the florist would do, and the baker will be okay. 12:21 You know, one of one-- and I won't quote who it is, 12:24 but one of the Republican candidates for the president, 12:28 I thought, one interviewed by NPR, 12:31 made a very good distinction. 12:33 He said, look nobody has the right 12:36 in their businesses to-- 12:38 should have the right in their businesses, 12:40 to discriminate against gays and not so-- 12:42 And he's right, he's right. 12:43 And I agree with that. Yes. 12:44 I support laws that outlaw discrimination against gays. 12:48 Yes. 12:49 But he said, when it comes to same sex weddings, 12:52 the issue was not discriminating against people. 12:54 It's abstaining from participating in an event 12:59 that they don't agree with, that they can't participate in. 13:03 And that's called Christian charity intolerance, isn't it? 13:06 Well, I think it is. 13:08 It's certainly not intolerant to say, 13:11 I'll be happy to provide you with services, 13:13 but don't ask me to participate in an event 13:16 that I can't consensually agree with. 13:19 The President of the United States 13:21 said recently that Christians 13:23 have been guilty of gross intolerance. 13:27 Historically that's true. 13:28 That's true. 13:29 But we're going to talk about this when we come back. 13:32 You're watching the Carter Report. 13:34 I'm John Carter. This is attorney Alan Reinach. 13:38 We're glad that you joined us today. 13:40 This is a great program on freedom. 13:44 We're talking about how our freedoms 13:46 are being undermined and attacked. 13:50 We're gonna take a little pause now, and we'll be back. 13:56 God has His time and His place for everything. 14:01 And the time and the place now 14:04 is Latin America, including Cuba. 14:09 Time Magazine talks about 14:10 the second Protestant reformation 14:13 and describes how hundreds of thousands 14:17 even millions of Latinos 14:20 are coming to the gospel of Christ. 14:23 I'm not an armchair theologians, 14:26 I'm speeding according to experience. 14:29 I've seen it with my own eyes. 14:32 Recently we went down to El Salvador, 14:36 there I spoke in the largest football stadium 14:40 in Central America with the biggest crowd that, 14:43 that football stadium had ever, ever seen. 14:47 They came not to see a football match 14:49 but to hear about the Blood of Christ. 14:53 Millions are coming to a knowledge 14:55 of God in Latin America. 14:59 Doors are opening in Cuba. 15:02 Who knows we may be going to Cuba soon. 15:06 As the doors open by the grace of God 15:09 we are going to step through those doors 15:12 and we want you to step through those doors with us 15:17 and be part of a team for such a time as this. 15:21 Please write to me friend, don't put it off. 15:24 Write to me, John Carter, 1900, 15:28 Thousand Oaks California 91358. 15:32 In Australia, write to me at Terrigal, New South Wales. 15:38 Be part of the second reformation, 15:41 join us and see the miracles of God. 15:46 Amen. 15:57 Welcome back to Carter Report. 15:58 We have a great program today, because we have a great guest. 16:02 Alan Reinach, attorney, we're privileged 16:05 to have you on our program today. 16:06 The privilege and joy is mine, John. 16:08 Now, Alan, this question is so good, 16:11 I'm going to read it so I don't sort of mess it up. 16:16 "Cannot Christians and other persons of faith," 16:20 like us "agree to respect the rights of homosexuals 16:26 and cannot homosexuals agree to respect 16:29 the rights of religious people?" 16:32 Like you and me. 16:33 I call that live and let live. 16:35 And I think that-- Is that Biblical? 16:37 That's exactly what we need to achieve in America. 16:41 Yes, a system of laws and a culture 16:45 that allows all of us to live together. 16:47 The Church has the right to have our schools, 16:51 to have our institutions to serve the community 16:54 according to our own values, 16:56 which from any religions do not respect same sex marriage, 17:00 but those who believe in same sex marriage 17:03 and want to participate in it, 17:05 they should also have 17:07 their rights and their lifestyle respected. 17:10 As you said before, the man who wrote 17:13 "The Keys of This Blood," Malachi Martin said, 17:16 people have the right to be wrong. 17:19 Well, he was to writing Seventh-day Adventist 17:22 having that possession. 17:23 Catholics-- 17:24 Oh, he didn't agree with that possession? 17:26 No, I don't believe he did. 17:28 So while, since I've read the book. 17:29 Yeah, it's been about 20 years, since it was published. 17:33 Yeah, yeah, and that book was a bombshell. 17:35 President Neal Wilson said to me that 17:39 it was like "Great Controversy" 17:41 written by Ellen White, from the other side. 17:45 Okay. 17:46 It was the inside look, from the other side. 17:50 And what Malachi Martin said, if he was to writing Adventist, 17:53 well we take that as a compliment. 17:55 Well, I think it's an accurate description. 17:58 Yes. 17:59 He said, we believe the law 18:01 should not sit in judgment as to-- 18:03 No, no, the right to be wrong. 18:06 If you go back to the early days of reformation, 18:09 the Anabaptist those who are baptizing grown up 18:12 people they were being persecuted 18:15 and drowned by the state, for their heresy. 18:18 They were. 18:19 And they said, you know, they came up 18:21 with a notion that well, may be the state shouldn't be solving 18:25 theological disputes over, 18:27 you know, when to baptize people. 18:28 And this-- isn't this true 18:30 with the Supreme Court pontificating on sexuality? 18:36 Well, I don't know what the court is gonna do. 18:38 The Seventh-day Adventist church 18:40 urged the court to be mindful of religious freedom 18:44 in its decision of same sex marriage. 18:46 Yes. 18:47 Are we seeing intolerance on the rise in America? 18:52 Well, I think we're seeing intolerance 18:54 from both the left and the right, 18:56 mutually they're acted at one another. 18:58 They said, you cease in the Pharisees. 19:00 So to speak, yes. 19:01 You know all about that. 19:03 You know, I know about that too. 19:04 Yeah. 19:05 The left wing and the right wing, 19:06 in the movement of Judaism. 19:08 Right. 19:09 And we have it today in North America. 19:12 But in the Christian church it every where. 19:14 And let us say this, atheists like to think 19:18 that they're very tolerant people. 19:20 Some of the most intolerable people 19:22 in the history of the world have been atheists. 19:24 Look at Pol Pot, look at Stalin and Lenin 19:28 and these unspeakable monsters and their genocides. 19:33 Look, you know, several years ago 19:36 there were court cases about the phrase under God, 19:40 and the pledge of allegiance whether that violated 19:42 the establishment cause of the American constitution. 19:46 I think it's incredibly important 19:50 that all elected officials, all government officials 19:54 understand that they answer to a higher power. 19:57 Yes, but most of them 19:58 don't seem to realize this any longer. 20:00 They cannot exercise power with impunity that regardless 20:05 of what they may get away with here on earth 20:08 but there's a judgment day. 20:09 Absolutely. 20:10 And I think the concept of being under God, 20:12 of exercising power, on behalf of the people, 20:16 as steward of the people and under the judgments of God 20:20 this is what can preserve democracy. 20:23 The President of the United States said very recently, 20:27 that the Christian church has been in history, 20:30 a very intolerant organization. 20:35 That's a pretty transparently obvious statement. 20:38 Yes, anybody who has read. 20:41 Yes, anybody who knows anything at all. 20:44 He is right, but so have the Muslims and the Hindus, 20:49 the Jews and the atheists. 20:52 And the reason is Alan, it's because, 20:55 it's a part of that fallen sinful human nature. 20:58 That's just what I was gonna say, 20:59 it's a part of human nature. 21:02 And of course it was the context 21:04 that he was criticized for because we're dealing 21:07 with a research and militant Islam 21:11 that has been prosecuting a people with different faith-- 21:14 The Jews and Christians. Christians, the Yazidis, Jews. 21:16 Yes, burning the churches. 21:19 And other Muslims, burning mosques even. 21:23 We've been just terribly upset 21:27 by the images of the Christians in Egypt-- 21:29 Yeah, dreadful, dreadful. 21:30 Being kneeling and hooded and being their heads cut-off. 21:35 It's horrible. 21:36 They certainly don't believe 21:37 in the right to be wrong, do they? 21:39 No, they don't. No. 21:41 And that's ultimately a good idea of where that leads us. 21:44 Yes, yes. 21:45 Intolerance ultimately leads us to what ISIS is doing. 21:49 Which is a demonic organization. 21:52 The Muslims built a Mosque near ground zero in New York. 21:58 And lots of people were horrified. 22:03 Did these Muslims have the right to build 22:08 a Mosque on American soil in good old New York?" 22:14 You're asking a New Yorker about what to do in New York. 22:17 I'm talking to a New Yorker, 22:18 I'm going to get a plain answer? 22:20 You know, they brought property. 22:23 And they had every right to do with their property 22:27 whatever they wanted to do. 22:29 To tell them, that you can do anything 22:31 but practice your religion on your property, 22:35 how does that fit with the American idea? 22:37 The biggest problem with the ground zero Mosque, 22:40 John, is that it wasn't. 22:43 It was blocked several blocks away from ground zero 22:46 and nobody whoever went to ground zero 22:48 would ever have a clue 22:50 that there was Mosque in the neighborhood. 22:51 Well there was a little bit-- 22:52 It was all hype. 22:54 And a little bit of intolerance. 22:55 Of course. Good old fashion intolerance. 22:58 It was several blocks away. 22:59 You know, anything that's around the corner in New York, 23:01 you don't even know it's there. 23:03 No, of course not. 23:05 Now, it is true, is it not my attorney friend, 23:10 that people today in this land of freedom 23:13 and prosperity lose their jobs, 23:17 because of their religious convictions 23:19 or else if they had to lose their jobs 23:21 they don't even get a chance of getting a job? 23:23 That is the bread and butter of our work, 23:25 John, is representing people 23:27 who suffer religious discrimination at work. 23:30 And-- Is it common? 23:32 Its all too common, we're kept extremely busy 23:35 representing folks like this, intervening with employers, 23:39 trying to help people keep jobs 23:41 and perhaps the biggest problem 23:44 is that job applications ask about 23:46 are you available seven days? 23:47 Yes. 23:49 And people who are not available 23:51 because may be they say, 23:52 well, I go to church every Sunday morning, 23:55 I'm not available on Sunday morning 23:57 or I observe the seventh-day Sabbath, 24:00 I'm not available someday on Friday, 24:02 someday on Saturday or may be I just attend 24:04 a prayer meeting or a choir practice every week 24:06 and I'm not available Wednesday evenings or Tuesday evenings. 24:10 They get screened out. 24:12 They don't even get their foot in the door. 24:13 But we have a young man who works for us, Alan De Leon. 24:16 He's a fine young fellow. 24:19 Let-- 24:20 Named like Alan, he must be. Pardon. 24:22 Named like Alan, he must be. 24:23 Oh you got to be all right. He's got to be all right. 24:26 So, Alan was working in a hotel in Pasadena. 24:30 And the time came when the Sabbath issue 24:33 came along and he said I can't violate my conscience, 24:37 and so they said, fired, out the door. 24:41 But the good news is, he has a better job 24:43 because now he's working for the Carter Report. 24:46 Alan, tell me what you'd do to defend 24:51 the religious rights of minorities 24:54 who are losing their jobs 24:55 because of their religious convictions? 24:58 You know, we're very proud John, 25:00 of the fact that we represent people of all faiths. 25:03 That's right, I never knew that. 25:04 It's a Seventh-day Adventist organization, 25:06 we have lots of Adventists who suffer discrimination 25:09 because of Sabbath observance. 25:10 And that's how we got our start, 25:12 that's how we got our experience. 25:14 But we've been recognized as experts 25:16 in the field of religious discrimination. 25:18 Yeah, that's terrific. 25:19 And we get referrals for Muslim clients, 25:23 Mormons, Catholics, Sunday keeping Christians, 25:26 Jews all kinds of issues where people are suffering 25:31 discrimination at the work place. 25:33 And so you go to court for them? 25:34 We do. 25:35 Who pays the bills? If necessary. 25:36 Who pays the money? 25:37 The organization is foots to build 25:39 and we provide our service. 25:40 That's the Adventist Church. 25:41 Yes, it is. So we defend Mormons? 25:43 We do defend people of any faith-- 25:45 And Muslims? 25:46 Who suffer discrimination. Yes. 25:49 Because we believe, in the right to be wrong. 25:52 We believe that everyone has to stand before God 25:57 and give an answer for themselves. 25:59 They don't answer to you, John, and they don't answer to me. 26:02 Or to the General Conference. 26:04 They answer to God. Yes. 26:05 And so we're not responsible for what they believe 26:08 but we are responsible for how we live 26:10 the love of Jesus Christ and live that love 26:13 and show that love to every person. 26:16 This is another reason why we like you so much, Alan. 26:18 Yeah. 26:20 Because you're defending the rights of Mormons 26:22 and Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims 26:24 and everybody else. 26:25 How much success are you having? 26:28 the Lord is good, and He, you know, 26:32 He steps in when we're weak 26:36 and He has blessed our ministry tremendously. 26:38 But you're saving, you're saving people 26:40 so they can keep their jobs and get jobs? 26:44 Sometimes we help people get their jobs back, 26:47 often times, it'll be some kind of financial settlement 26:51 and they move on with their lives. 26:53 But we're holding companies to account, 26:55 and what we find is that once companies 26:58 are being held to account, at least some of them 26:59 get the message and they do differently 27:03 in the future and that's the goal. 27:05 This is the last question Alan, its got to be a quick answer. 27:08 What should concern Christians do to defend freedom? 27:13 Well, I think, first of all you need to be informed, 27:16 pay attention to what's going on 27:18 and be prepared to get involved, 27:20 make your voice count on the issues of the day. 27:24 Be prepared to contact your Congressmen, 27:27 your state representatives, find organizations 27:30 that you can support that you can work with. 27:33 Stand up for the truth. Thank you for joining us today. 27:36 This has been a great program with Alan Reinach. 27:39 We hope you have enjoyed it. 27:41 Please write to me, 27:42 John Carter, Post Office Box 1900, 27:44 you can see it on the screen. 27:46 Write to me in Australia at Terrigal. 27:48 Write to Alan Reinach, 27:50 at the Pacific Union Conference, 27:52 where he is a defender of the rights of all people, 27:56 Muslims, Jews, Gentiles, Catholics, John Carters, 28:01 to defend the right of freedom. 28:04 So please write to him 28:06 and support him and support us too 28:08 in the preaching of Word of God around the world. 28:11 This is been great to have you with us today, Alan. 28:14 Great to have you with us today. 28:16 Till next time, thank you. God bless you. |
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