Participants: Pr. John Carter (Host), Don Johnson
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001503A
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00:09 "The Carter Report" presents
00:10 the living word around the world. 00:16 Hi, friend, I'm John Carter, 00:18 welcome today to "The Carter Report." 00:20 Our topic today is "The Death of Darwinism." 00:25 Listen to this tape and from believe it or not, 00:27 the Australian weekend review, 00:29 "We are as significant 00:31 as the eighth billionth grain of sand 00:34 beyond the final palm tree 00:36 in the most distant oasis in the Sahara." 00:40 My guest today is a distinguished scientist. 00:45 Dr. Don Johnson has two doctorates, 00:49 a PhD in chemistry from Michigan State University 00:53 and a PhD in computer and information sciences 00:59 from the University of Minnesota. 01:02 The topic today is "The Death of Darwinism." 01:07 Thank you for joining us. 01:11 Hi, I'm John Carter. 01:13 My wife Beverley and I 01:14 were watching television the other night 01:15 watching the News, American News. 01:18 They told us that the church in North America 01:21 is actually shrinking. 01:23 They said that atheism 01:24 is the fastest growing religious movement today 01:26 in North America and people are saying, 01:29 "What on earth can we do to save the church?" 01:32 Well, of course, Christ died for the church, 01:34 he saved the church. 01:35 But what they mean is, how can we keep the church 01:38 as a vibrant force in the world today, in Australia, 01:41 in America and in Europe and in the rest of the world? 01:44 Let me tell you a little story. 01:46 John Wesley was one of the greatest preachers 01:48 that the English speaking world has ever heard. 01:51 John Wesley came upon the scene of the church in England 01:55 a few hundred years ago when the church was dying. 01:58 Like the church today, it was a shrinking church, 02:01 but the people in the church were in a state of denial. 02:04 They refused to accept the reality 02:06 that the church was dying. 02:08 John Wesley did something 02:10 that other people said couldn't be done. 02:12 He revived the church through public evangelism. 02:16 Did you hear that? 02:17 He started to preach Christ, he preached the Bible, 02:20 and he preached out of doors and indoors. 02:23 And the church was saved. 02:25 Not only did he save a lot of souls, the souls of sinners, 02:29 he saved the souls of the saints. 02:33 Please join me, my friend, in evangelism, 02:38 it's what Jesus did. 02:40 Write to me, John Carter, Post Office Box 1900, 02:45 Thousand Oaks, California. 02:46 In Australia, write to me at the address on the screen 02:50 at Terrigal in New South Wales. 02:53 Join me, my friend, in preaching Christ. 02:57 Join me in public evangelism around the world. 03:02 Thank you in Jesus' name. 03:11 Welcome today to "The Carter Report," 03:13 our topic is "The Death of Darwinism" 03:16 and my special guest is Dr. Don Johnson. 03:20 Dr. Johnson, welcome here today. 03:22 Thank you. 03:23 We are delighted to have you here today. 03:26 You would probably know that many evolutionists say 03:31 that all scientists in the world believe in evolution. 03:35 Uh, but the very fact that you are here today with two PhDs 03:39 from two great American universities shows that 03:43 that statement is absolutely false. 03:46 But you'd expect that from people who believe in evolution 03:49 because evolution is a religion. 03:53 Tell me this, doctor, you're an authority on this, 03:58 a world authority. 03:59 What exactly is evolution? 04:02 Well, evolution has different meanings. 04:05 Theoretically it means change over time, 04:07 and that can be related to lots of different scenarios. 04:11 There's cosmological evolution, how the supposed big bang 04:16 created everything and formed planets and everything else. 04:19 By itself? 04:20 By itself, all by itself, yup. 04:22 And that formed chemicals and chemical evolution 04:27 ultimately got more and more complex 04:30 to develop into the first living organism, supposedly. 04:34 And that first living organism 04:35 is what all biological life comes from. 04:38 And then we get into biological evolution. 04:40 You've told us what evolution is. 04:42 What is microevolution and what is macroevolution? 04:48 Microevolution is the modification, 04:52 adaptation within a species. 04:55 So a species can adapt itself to changing environment, 04:58 that's microevolution. 05:00 That is not denied by anybody that I know of. 05:03 So you believe in microevolution? 05:04 Oh, yeah, I believe in microevolution. 05:05 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 05:06 Macroevolution, that is the original life form, uh, 05:13 developed through... 05:15 Everything descended from that ultimately. 05:17 From the original life form to mammals, ultimately to man, 05:24 through the... 05:26 From... From the goo, to the zoo, to you. 05:33 Say that again. From the zoo... 05:35 From the goo, to zoo, to you, basically. 05:38 That's basically... 05:39 That's basically macroevolution, 05:40 and that's what people think of when they think of evolution. 05:43 And so when Darwin came up with the theory, which it is, 05:46 or the religion of evolution, it was the idea that things 05:52 started from something that was of tiny apparent consequence, 05:58 a very simple thing, and that became, uh, 06:03 an animal and that became a hominid 06:07 and that became a human being. 06:09 Is that what evolution is? 06:10 That's what evolution basically states 06:12 and evolutionists don't... 06:15 they try to say we don't know what caused the first life. 06:20 And they don't know. 06:21 They don't know, that there is no way to know. 06:23 But anyway that then once it started, 06:26 everything developed from it. 06:27 Well, that's the big problem, isn't it? 06:29 Yes. 06:30 I was listening to Professor Richard Dawkins the other night 06:34 and he had the honesty of course to say that 06:38 "We have no idea," he said, "how life began." 06:41 He said we are here and therefore it is proof 06:45 that life did begin and he even believes in the idea, 06:49 as you would know, of panspermia. 06:52 Yes, panspermia was developed by Francis Crick among others 06:56 and, uh, Fred Hoyle and others that believe that, 07:00 or we were seeded 07:02 from some other distant place in the universe. 07:04 Now why would they say this? 07:06 Why do they have to have panspermia? 07:07 Because that pushes off the problem to some place 07:11 that we can't look at. 07:12 It doesn't eliminate the problem. 07:14 It doesn't eliminate the problem, 07:15 but it does push it back to where it won't be examined 07:18 and the... 07:20 "Well, it must have happened that way because we're here." 07:23 And also there's not enough time 07:26 according to their time scales 07:28 for evolution to work on this planet. 07:31 So after the Hades period 07:34 they have I believe about 100 million years 07:37 for it to go from goo, to zoo, to you. 07:42 Or rather, at least to go from the goo to a simple cell. 07:46 Right. 07:47 And it is generally considered that's not enough time 07:50 and therefore life had to come from another planet. 07:53 Is that true? 07:54 That is basically true, yes. 07:55 The problem is information kills that 08:00 because everything in life is controlled by information. 08:04 And we're going to talk about this. 08:05 Yes, we will. The great information highway. 08:07 Doctor, tell me about yourself. 08:09 Well, I became very, very interested in science at age 8. 08:14 I started reading science books, 08:15 I would be consuming popcorn 08:19 and eating science books every night. 08:22 And whenever I'd bring my questions about science 08:26 and how it related to Christianity 08:27 to my parents or teachers, 08:30 they wouldn't be able to answer my concerns 08:33 and I became a staunch evolutionist by age 10. 08:37 Where were you brought up in America? 08:39 You are an American? I'm an American. 08:41 In the Midwest, Wisconsin. 08:44 That's a great place. Oh, yeah, I like it, yeah. 08:46 And what about your parents? 08:48 My parents are Christians. 08:49 They were, uh, my farm-- 08:52 They were farmers and my dad was a machinist as well. 08:55 They were the people who built this great country. 08:57 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 08:58 That's the heart of America, the Midwest. 09:00 Yes. Hardworking farmers. 09:03 And so you're an evolutionist, a person who believes in 09:07 Neo-Darwinism by the age of 10. 09:10 That's correct. 09:11 And then, what happens after that? 09:14 Well, my Christian faith thankfully started at age 12. 09:19 Well, I was taught in a Christian home 09:22 but I accepted Jesus the savior at age 12. 09:26 But for another 18 years after that, 09:29 I continued to believe, teach and defend Darwinism 09:32 because evolution was always taught in science... 09:35 And I was interested in science. 09:37 Were you doing your PhDs during that time? 09:39 Yes, and sometimes I was thankful 09:42 that I did believe in evolution 09:44 because I could answer the questions 09:47 in a manner that was compatible with evolution, 09:51 because I thought it was true. 09:52 Did you know this, doctor, 09:54 that 95% of young people from evangelical Christian homes 10:01 who go to secular universities like you did, 10:04 and they're taught the theory of evolution, 10:07 95% of them give up their faith and they become unbelievers. 10:11 I believe that is true, 10:12 I read that, I think was last year. 10:15 And what was really also interesting, 10:18 there was a survey of scientists 10:21 that was given last year, 10:23 and it surprised me because in this survey 10:27 72% of the scientists in the United States 10:31 professed to be born again Christians. 10:34 Amazing. And that surprised me. 10:36 But that's not in the universities. 10:37 In the universities, in science professors, less than 2%... 10:43 Yes. 10:44 ...were evangelical Christians. 10:46 And so we're here today with Dr. Johnson 10:49 at "The Carter Report" program. 10:51 If you're a young person going to a secular university, 10:54 we want you to hear this material today, 10:57 because we're talking scientifically 11:00 about the death of Darwinism. 11:02 Doctor, tell me this. 11:04 Yeah. 11:05 Darwin predicted that an innumerable number of 11:09 transitional life forms will be found in the geological column, 11:13 the so called "missing links," after 150 years 11:20 and the cataloguing of millions of species. 11:23 What is the real situation in the geological column? 11:27 So far, nothing of a true transitional form 11:32 has been located, although several have been claimed, 11:35 but of the millions of fossils that have been found... 11:40 Millions? Literally billions of fossils-- 11:42 Yes. 11:43 In not only in scientific explorations but in deep mining 11:47 insp... diggings and tunneling and so forth. 11:50 You know, there have been billions of fossils 11:55 and what the fossil record actually shows is stasis. 12:02 Yes, stasis. 12:03 When a fossil appears in the fossil record 12:08 it stays the same until it either goes extinct 12:12 or exists the same today. 12:13 It arrives, endures and disappears. 12:17 Right. 12:18 Let me read you this statement 12:19 and I'll ask your comment on this. 12:21 Steven Jay Gould, you know about him, 12:24 one of the greatest evolution... 12:26 one of the greatest scientists. 12:27 He said this, "In any local area, 12:31 a species does not arise gradually 12:33 by the steady transformation of its ancestors, 12:37 it appears all at once and fully formed." 12:41 That's in his book, The Panda's Thumb. 12:44 Give me your comments. 12:45 He's a proponent of punctuated equilibrium. 12:48 And a famous one. 12:51 Where everything that the evidence shows, 12:54 everything appeared suddenly without any ancestors. 12:59 And that's what the fossil record actually shows. 13:02 The biggest event is in the Cambrian rock, 13:06 the very lowest level that contains any fossils at all. 13:10 Basically all bodily forms, 13:15 more than 70% of them that exist today, 13:17 suddenly appeared without any predecessors at all. 13:21 Even Richard Dawkins said it's as though the invertebrates 13:24 were just planted there without any evolutionary history. 13:27 He even used the word once, Professor Dawkins, he said, 13:30 it appears as though they were created. 13:33 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 13:34 An amazing thing. 13:36 My friend, you're listening and watching "The Carter Report." 13:39 We have with us today Dr. Johnson, 13:42 a gentleman with two PhDs in the sciences. 13:45 We are talking about "The Death of Darwinism," 13:50 the death of evolution that I personally believe 13:55 is the greatest hoax in the history of the human race. 14:00 Don't leave us, we're going to have a little break now, 14:02 but we will be back. 14:06 God has his time and his place for everything, 14:12 and the time and the place now 14:14 is Latin America, including Cuba. 14:19 Time magazine talks about 14:21 the second Protestant reformation 14:24 and describes how hundreds of thousands, 14:28 even millions of Latinos are coming to the Gospel of Christ. 14:34 I'm not a amateur theologian, 14:37 I'm speaking according to experience. 14:39 I've seen it with my own eyes. 14:42 Recently we went down to El Salvador. 14:47 There I spoke 14:48 in the largest football stadium in Central America 14:52 with the biggest crowd that that football stadium 14:55 had ever, ever seen. 14:57 They came not to see a football match 15:00 but to hear about the blood of Christ. 15:03 Millions are coming to our knowledge of God 15:07 in Latin America. 15:09 Doors are opening in Cuba. 15:12 Who knows, we may be going to Cuba soon 15:17 as the doors open by the grace of God. 15:20 We are going to step through those doors 15:23 and we want you to step through those doors with us 15:27 and be part of our team, for such a time as this. 15:31 Please write to me, friend, don't put it off. 15:35 Write to me, John Carter, Post Office Box 1900, 15:39 Thousand Oaks, California 91358. 15:43 In Australia, write to me at Terrigal, New South Wales. 15:48 Be part of the second reformation. 15:52 Join us and see the miracles of God. 15:57 Amen. 16:07 Welcome back to "The Carter Report." 16:09 This is a great program with Dr. Dr. Don Johnson, 16:14 a scientist with two PhDs, 16:17 and he does not believe in evolution. 16:21 Our topic today is "The Death of Darwinism." 16:26 Now, doctor, I've read it from Darwin over and over 16:32 where he has said, in his day, 16:35 they had not found the missing link, 16:36 they hadn't found any transitional species. 16:39 But he said that was because they hadn't had time 16:42 to check them out. 16:44 Uh, But he said, "In coming time, 16:46 my theory will be demonstrated to be true." 16:50 150 years have gone by 16:53 and scientists have discovered, paleontologists, 16:55 as they've gone into the rocks of the earth, 16:59 they have discovered millions of different species. 17:03 And Steven Jay Gould, perhaps the greatest paleontologist 17:08 of the 20th century said, 17:10 "There are no transitional life forms 17:14 in the geological species." 17:17 If this is so, this is the death knell of Darwinism. 17:22 Please comment. 17:24 Many transitional forms supposedly have been found, 17:29 like the PBS program had a 2-hour thing 17:34 "What Darwin Never Knew" 17:36 and they had about a 20-minute excerpt of that was devoted 17:40 to the Tiktaalik fish that supposedly had fins 17:45 that could've been limbs 17:47 and therefore this was touted as the transitional form. 17:51 The missing link. 17:52 The missing link between fish and tetrapods, 17:56 four-limbed creatures, which would have been... 17:59 Well, and that's what they taught for several minutes 18:02 in this video. 18:03 But what they could've said and... 18:07 What, about 2 years later they discovered 18:11 a completely formed tetrapod that was dated 18:16 at 100 million years older than the Tiktaalik. 18:21 How embarrassing. 18:22 So they really couldn't do anything about that, 18:25 but they should take down that video. 18:28 Of course they should. But they don't. 18:29 No, because Darwinism has become, doctor, 18:33 not just a science, not a so-called science, 18:35 it's a pseudoscience, it is a religion. 18:39 And all religions, well, let's say, 18:42 virtually all religions make these stipends of faith 18:49 and they have dogmatism and everything else. 18:52 And these people are very slow 18:54 to take back what they have said. 18:56 Now, you know of course about Professor Leakey and Lucy. 19:00 Mm-hmm. 19:01 He said that Lucy was the ancestor of the human race 19:07 and she was a hominid and this came on PBS. 19:11 You were talking about PBS a moment ago. 19:13 And so it came on PBS, Professor Leakey, 19:18 we're descended from Lucy. 19:20 Before his death, the great Professor Leakey said, 19:24 I made... He was an honest man. 19:26 He said, "I made a tremendous blunder. 19:28 We did not come from Lucy." 19:30 He said the amazing thing 19:32 is that the human race emerges quickly 19:34 apparently without any ancestors and no missing links. 19:39 That's what the fossil record shows, 19:41 that's what other things show as well. 19:43 Now you've got a PhD 19:46 in computer science and information. 19:50 You know the text in the bible John 1:1, 19:53 "In the beginning was the word," or the "Logos." 19:57 So the bible says, 19:58 in the beginning you have information. 20:03 Darwin says, no, not in the beginning 20:05 do you have information, you have chaos. 20:07 Please comment. 20:09 I certainly believe that information is preceding life 20:16 because life is totally around information and its processing. 20:23 The thing that biology is not a physical science 20:28 like chemistry and physics, 20:29 biology is really an information science 20:33 because everything that makes it biology 20:36 is controlled by the digital processing of information. 20:40 I don't think too many people understand that, 20:41 so would you say it again? 20:42 Sure. 20:44 This is not important, this is super important. 20:46 If you're a university student, 20:47 you've given up on God because of the Darwinian hoax, 20:52 please listen to the statement by the doctor here 20:54 on information. 20:56 Doctor, say it again. 20:57 Information is the thing 21:01 that controls all of the metabolic 21:05 and reproduction and everything else 21:08 that is involved with life. 21:09 All the manufacturing of proteins, 21:12 everything about life is controlled 21:15 by the processing of digital information 21:18 by biological computers. 21:21 And every cell of the 100 trillion cells of your body 21:25 has literally millions of real computers 21:28 and real computer programs in it. 21:29 How many cells? 21:30 Over 100 trillion cells in your body, 21:34 a human being and every one of them is controlled by the... 21:40 every cell has millions of real computers 21:43 and real computer programs in it. 21:45 This is quite astounding, 21:47 this is the death knell of Darwinism. 21:49 How complex... 21:52 You're an authority on this. 21:54 Information, how complex is the human genome? 22:00 More complex than we are even... 22:02 we can even tell at this point. 22:04 Of the six billion nucleotides 22:09 along the DNA strand, 22:12 one molecule of DNA is about 6 feet long 22:17 and it weighs only about a trillionth of a gram. 22:20 And in that DNA strand 22:24 are all these nucleotides, 22:27 or sort of the letters along the DNA, 22:30 the ACGT abbreviations. 22:34 Every one of them, that's digital 22:36 and as we know from the big switch to digital TV, 22:41 digital is better. 22:43 Life knew that from the very beginning, 22:45 because it is digital. 22:46 So it is digital? It is digital. 22:48 It's not analogue? 22:49 It's not analogue, it's digital. 22:50 And there are multiple codes within life, for translation, 22:56 for communication more than 20 different arbitrary codes. 23:02 Coded information is very important, 23:04 like for example, a zip code. 23:07 There is nothing magical about a 5 digit number 23:10 that would specify a particular post office, 23:13 but yet it is arbitrary as to what five digits 23:18 are attributed to a particular post office. 23:21 So that when you send mail, if you put the zip code, 23:24 it'll get there and that's purely arbitrary. 23:27 In the same arbitrariness, 23:29 there is nothing physical dinary, 23:31 there is nothing from physical laws 23:33 or chemistry laws or anything else 23:35 that makes these codes. 23:37 A coded message is something that requires 23:40 the sender of the code and the receiver of the code 23:43 to both agree as to what its meaning will be. 23:46 If you don't have that, 23:48 you don't have information transferred. 23:50 And life has more then 20 of those coded information. 23:54 In fact even further than that. 23:57 They have decoded some of the coded messages 24:00 that are sent and inside of a coded message 24:04 is another encoded message. 24:06 You're talking about the human body? 24:07 Yeah. 24:08 You're talking about the human genome. 24:10 In the genome... 24:12 When it sends the message from one place to another, 24:15 it's done through using codes 24:18 and those codes are purely arbitrary. 24:21 The most familiar one is the codes 24:23 that specify the further construction of proteins 24:27 from the amino acids. 24:29 That's the most familiar one, 24:31 and you have 20 different amino acids 24:33 that are used and there is a... 24:37 three nucleotides will specify which amino acid 24:40 is going to be put into the protein 24:42 for every protein construction. 24:44 But that's a computer program that is processed 24:49 during the construction of a protein. 24:51 And your body uses over 100,000 proteins. 24:56 Each one is manufactured by that same process. 25:00 The neo-Darwinists like Professor Dawkins 25:04 will tell me we are the product of time 25:08 plus matter plus chance. 25:10 That's what it comes down to, 25:12 and that out of chaos came information. 25:16 Let me ask you this, doctor, does it take more faith 25:21 to believe in evolution than it does to believe 25:24 in the scriptures that say, 25:26 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth? 25:29 I believe it does, because there's-- there's no-- 25:33 no evidence from science that would support the claim 25:38 that chaos or random processes can create information. 25:42 Information, as far as we know, 25:45 only comes from some activity of intelligence. 25:51 It cannot arise by any other means 25:55 other than the type of information 25:58 that would be called chance contingency. 26:02 Like when you roll a dice, for example. 26:05 Yeah, yes, chance contingency. 26:06 Well, you don't know what, 26:09 which one of six numbers are going to come up. 26:11 And this is what evolution is based upon. 26:13 Chance contingency, yeah. Yes. 26:16 But there is... 26:17 That can produce data, but it cannot produce 26:22 meaningful functional information. 26:24 And you're sure of this? 26:26 I am sure of that as an information scientist 26:28 that it cannot produce meaningful information. 26:32 Tell me again because, you know, 26:34 you're the expert here. 26:37 How much information is stored in human DNA? 26:42 In DNA, it's about 12 gigabits of information. 26:45 And what does that mean? In the DNA itself. 26:48 That means if you had, for example... 26:52 DNA is the most information 26:54 rich substance rich substance known on this planet. 26:58 Amazing. 26:59 If you had one strand of DNA 27:03 from every person who has ever lived... 27:09 All of that information would fit into a teaspoon that DNA. 27:15 This has the information to make billions of people. 27:19 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 27:21 And if you could encode other information 27:26 using the same process that DNA uses 27:31 to encode information, 27:33 that same teaspoon that holds all the DNA 27:37 from every person that has ever lived, 27:39 would also hold all of the books 27:42 that have ever been written. 27:44 We're going to be back in the next program 27:47 with Dr. Johnson, 27:49 but you're watching "The Carter Report" 27:51 and we're talking about "The Death of Darwinism." 27:54 Please write to me, John Carter, 27:56 there's the address on the screen 27:57 in Australia, in America. 28:01 We believe in the bible 28:03 and we don't believe in the bible, 28:05 my friend, because of blind faith. 28:08 We believe in the bible because of the overwhelming evidence. 28:12 Thank you for joining us today. 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