Participants: Pr. John Carter
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001515A
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00:14 The Carter Report presents
00:16 The Living Word around the world. 00:23 Hello, friend. I'm John Carter. 00:25 Welcome today to The Carter Report. 00:28 In Los Angeles, there are about a 100,000 plus gang members. 00:35 There are places where you and I can't go, 00:39 but my guest goes there. 00:42 His name is Pastor Willie Garcia. 00:46 Welcome today to The Carter Report. 00:51 God has His time and His place for everything. 00:56 And the time and the place now is Latin America, 01:01 including Cuba. 01:03 Time magazine talks about 01:05 the second Protestant Reformation 01:08 and describes how hundreds of thousands, 01:12 even millions of Latinos 01:15 are coming to the Gospel of Christ. 01:18 I'm not an armchair theologian. 01:21 I'm speaking according to experience. 01:24 I have seen it with my own eyes. 01:27 Recently, we went down to El Salvador. 01:31 There I spoke in the largest football stadium 01:35 in Central America with the biggest crowd 01:38 that that football stadium had ever, ever seen. 01:41 They came not to see a football match, 01:45 but to hear about the blood of Christ. 01:48 Millions are coming to a knowledge of God 01:51 in Latin America. 01:54 Doors are opening in Cuba. 01:57 Who knows, we may be going to Cuba soon. 02:01 As the doors open by the grace of God, 02:04 we are going to step through those doors. 02:07 And we want you to step through those doors with us 02:11 and be part of our team for such a time as this. 02:16 Please write to me, friend. Don't put it off. 02:19 Write to me, John Carter, post office box 1900, 02:23 Thousand Oaks, California 91358. 02:27 In Australia, 02:29 write to me at Terrigal, New South Wales. 02:33 Be part of the second Reformation. 02:36 Join us and see the miracles of God. 02:41 Amen. 02:52 Welcome back to The Carter Report. 02:54 My special guest today is a great man of God, 02:58 Pastor Willie Garcia, 03:02 who is a pastor to the gangs of Los Angeles. 03:07 Pastor Garcia, welcome today. 03:09 Thank you, Dr. Carter. It's a joy to be here with you. 03:11 It's always a privilege for us to have you 03:14 come with us on our overseas campaigns, 03:18 come to our church to sing. 03:20 You bless us wherever you go. 03:23 And we look upon you as one of God's great saints. 03:27 You were with us in Port Moresby, 03:30 one of the most dangerous cities in the world. 03:33 Remember Port Moresby? 03:35 I certainly do. 03:36 Some say Port Moresby 03:37 is the most dangerous city in the world. 03:40 Do you remember, cast your mind back, 03:44 one night we had a crowd of about 140,000 people, 03:48 and you saw something flying over the audience. 03:53 You were singing. Tell us about it. 03:56 The whole campaign had been exciting. 03:58 I had never experienced anything like it in my life. 04:01 I've see films and I've heard people 04:04 talk about crowds such as this, 04:06 but never stood in the midst of it. 04:09 And throughout the course of the time that we were there, 04:12 it was just wonderful. 04:13 I was singing just before you came out to speak. 04:18 Yeah, I was listening to you. 04:19 And I was singing the song 04:21 'Blessed be the Lord God Almighty', 04:24 and I had my eyes closed and the song transitioned 04:28 from English to Spanish. 04:30 And as soon as I started singing in Spanish, 04:34 I heard this roar from the audience. 04:37 And I thought to myself, 04:39 "My God, they're enjoying the Spanish lyric." 04:43 And when I opened my eyes to look, 04:46 this white dove was coming right at me. 04:49 Amazing. 04:51 And then just flew over my head 04:53 and it was that that the crowd was applauding. 04:56 It seemed to be as if God was telling us, 05:00 "Do not fear, I'm in the midst." 05:02 And I think it happened twice while we were there. 05:06 Yes. 05:07 One time I actually saw it circling the audience, 05:10 flying over the complete audience. 05:12 You did? Yes. 05:14 And then just, just take off. 05:15 And I think that was the first time, 05:17 I don't think a lot of the people 05:18 were aware of it at that point. 05:20 No, somebody, a pastor came to me 05:22 after the first time. 05:23 And he said, 05:25 "My church members want to talk to you." 05:27 I said, "Yes." 05:28 "They declare that they saw a white dove." 05:33 Now I didn't see the dove, it was-- 05:35 You know, the meetings at that stage were in the dark. 05:37 Right. We were showing pictures. 05:39 And all these people, they said they saw a white dove. 05:42 But it was the night when you saw the dove, 05:45 when we had this vast crowd. 05:47 Some say we had 150,000 plus people. 05:49 I don't doubt it. 05:51 But I discovered only the other day, 05:53 somebody wrote to me, 05:55 a man in Australia by the name of Phil Ward. 05:57 And somebody had contacted him. Now Phil Ward is a journalist. 06:01 Yes. 06:03 The white dove was also seen at the-- 06:05 on the Saturday morning at the baptism at Ela Beach. 06:09 I never saw the white dove there. 06:11 I didn't either. 06:12 But they said tens of thousands saw the white dove 06:15 coming over the sea. 06:17 Amen. 06:18 But on the last night, when the white dove came, 06:22 it seemed to come with power 06:24 and the audience became filled with the spirit of God. 06:28 Yes, yes, yes. 06:29 It was the most exciting thing 06:31 I had ever witnessed in my life. 06:33 I've never experienced anything like that, 06:36 not a manifestation of God's presence 06:38 and power like that. 06:40 What impressed you most, Pastor Garcia, 06:43 about the meetings in Papua New Guinea? 06:45 I think the hunger that I experienced, 06:52 or was able to see in the faces of people, 06:54 and by that I mean the spiritual hunger 06:57 that they seemed to have. 06:58 These people walked for miles 07:01 to come to the Pacific Arena, the stadium. 07:06 And they were the most orderly, polite people 07:10 I have ever seen or met in my life. 07:13 I was actually able to walk amongst them 07:16 in that crowd and not get, you know, pawed all over or-- 07:20 My wife Beverley walked out there, too. 07:22 They were just so amazingly gracious. 07:25 And their faith, 07:27 I know beyond a shadow of a doubt 07:29 God honored their faith night after night 07:33 as they journeyed from miles around, 07:35 from the highlands, from whatever villages 07:39 they might have come from. 07:41 I've seen photographs of people 07:44 hanging off a truck in big numbers. 07:47 And we actually witnessed that on our way back to the hotel 07:50 after the campaign. 07:52 I mean, the streets were full of people. 07:53 Yes, walking for miles. 07:54 Thousands, tens of thousands of people. 07:56 Our hotel I think was eight miles or so, 07:59 eleven miles away from the stadium, 08:02 and we could see people walking all the way 08:05 along our route and beyond. 08:08 I was told something just the other day 08:10 which will interest you. 08:12 They say that down the road there were other stadiums, 08:15 outdoor stadiums, 08:17 and people were footing those stadiums. 08:19 Really? 08:20 Now they couldn't see the screens, 08:21 but they could hear the preaching. 08:23 That's right. 08:24 And they say we had no idea 08:25 how many tens of thousands were standing, 08:28 you know, miles away, 08:30 listening to the preaching of the Word. 08:31 Amen. 08:32 Well, I saw the technicians and your team 08:34 setting up screens and extra PA speakers 08:39 on the side to accommodate that. 08:41 And they mentioned that beyond the stage, 08:44 at the opposite end of the stage, 08:46 there was another small soccer field 08:48 or something that was full of people. 08:50 The parking lots surrounding the stadium-- 08:54 And the streets. 08:55 And the streets were just full of people. 08:57 And I just marvel at God's unconditional love 09:02 and his willingness to do whatever is necessary 09:06 to use people like us to reach these souls. 09:10 Your singing has a way of touching people's hearts. 09:14 I've seldom, if ever seen anybody 09:17 who has the rapport with an audience 09:19 that you have, Pastor Garcia. 09:22 When you sing, the people respond to you. 09:26 And I can remember you came up one night on the stage 09:29 when I was making an altar call. 09:31 Remember that? Yes. 09:32 And I got you to come up, and you talked to the people 09:36 and the Spirit of God was there, 09:38 and people were coming forward 09:39 and giving their lives to Christ. 09:42 This was in what they say 09:45 is the most dangerous city in the world. 09:50 I've got to tell you this, 09:51 haven't had opportunity to tell you this. 09:55 A journalist from Australia 09:56 contacted me recently and he told me, 09:58 "Did you know" he said, 10:01 "thousands of gang members came to the meetings." 10:05 And they sat way at the back so you couldn't see them. 10:07 But they were sitting in their own groups 10:10 and they weren't mingling, 10:12 because they had been at each other's throats, 10:13 killing each other. 10:15 But in the meetings, 10:17 you had a spirit of peace and tranquility. 10:20 Absolutely. 10:21 Now Beverley, a lady walking out there among the people, 10:26 the multitudes, no reason to be afraid. 10:29 No. No gang activity. 10:32 You know, the greatest antidote 10:34 to gang activity is what you do, 10:37 the preaching of the Gospel. 10:38 Yes. 10:39 Now you came with us to Johannesburg. 10:41 Yes, I did. 10:42 Tell us about that? 10:43 I just loved it. 10:45 I really was impressed by, 10:47 and it was just the unique manner 10:49 in which you captured the audience, 10:53 the way the Lord uses you 10:56 with your background on history and archeology. 11:00 And so that was a different type of audience. 11:03 Completely different, isn't it? 11:04 Yes. 11:05 And then the way you being to align it 11:08 with the scriptures, 11:10 and how responsive the people are, one, 11:12 because, their interest in history and archeology, 11:14 I don't know very many people-- 11:16 People wonder why we do it, Willie. 11:18 And the reason we do it, 11:20 I was brought up in a secular country. 11:22 I wasn't brought up with people saying, 11:25 "Hallelujah! Praise the Lord." 11:27 Australia is a secular country. 11:29 And so we devised a means of reaching secular people 11:34 with biblical archeology and astronomy 11:37 and then leading them to the Bible 11:39 and then leading them to Christ. 11:41 The facts cannot be disputed. 11:43 And the way you presented the Gospel 11:46 through that means was just, it was overwhelming. 11:49 Did you enjoy Johannesburg? 11:51 Absolutely, the people there were just so, so kind to us. 11:54 And you had a fan club there. 11:57 Don't you remember? 11:58 You know, I do remember that. 12:00 And for that I thank God for today's media. 12:04 You know, that people were able to Google me. 12:06 What was your group called? 12:08 Thee Midniters. 12:10 Thee Midniters. 12:11 Yes. 12:12 A famous group around the world. 12:14 And when Pastor Willie G. 12:16 or Little Willie, as I used to call him 12:19 many years ago, when he went to South Africa, 12:22 the people knew him, 12:24 because this man was famous around the world. 12:26 It was amazing to be welcomed in such a manner. 12:30 And then for me to be able to impart to them 12:32 that I wasn't that guy anymore. 12:35 No. 12:36 That something miraculously had happened to me. 12:38 Yeah, He touched you. 12:40 Jesus touched you. 12:41 Yes, He did. 12:42 But as you sang to the people 12:44 in that desperately needy place, Johannesburg, 12:47 the most dangerous city in Africa, 12:51 you could see people responding to the music 12:54 and responding to the preaching of the Word of God. 12:57 So I just want to say to you, Pastor Garcia, 12:59 you've touched my life. 13:01 Praise the Lord. 13:02 You've blessed my team. 13:03 We would go with you anywhere. 13:05 Praise God. 13:06 We would ask you to come with us anywhere. 13:08 We are hoping to go to Cuba. 13:13 We would love you, if the doors open up 13:15 for you to come with us to Cuba. 13:18 I think they'd know you in Cuba. 13:19 Gloria a Dios, yes. 13:21 And we'll back, don't go away, after this break. 13:42 You can have all the silver. 13:46 You can have all the gold 13:50 Just give me Jesus 13:56 You can have all the wisdom 14:00 This Earth can hold 14:04 Just give me Jesus 14:07 Give me Jesus 14:09 When I'm lonely, and I have nowhere to go 14:14 Give me Jesus. 14:15 He's the only one who loves me so, 14:21 Give me Jesus 14:22 Because Jesus is all I need 14:36 You can have all the spotlights. 14:39 You can have all the fame 14:43 Just give me Jesus 14:49 You can have all the success, 14:53 have your well known name 14:57 Just give me Jesus 14:59 Give me Jesus when I'm lonely, 15:03 And I have nowhere to go, 15:06 Give me Jesus. 15:08 He's the only one who loves me so 15:14 Give me Jesus 15:16 Because Jesus is all I need. 15:22 He's been my closest friend when no seemed to care. 15:29 I'm John Carter. 15:30 Welcome back to The Carter Report. 15:32 And my special guest today is Pastor Willie Garcia, 15:36 formerly of the... 15:38 Midniters 15:40 The Midniters. 15:41 They were once quite a group, weren't they? 15:42 Yes, they were. 15:44 Tell me a bit about the Midniters. 15:45 Well, it's a group 15:46 that I started with in high school, 15:48 back in 1960. 15:50 In Los Angeles? 15:51 In Los Angeles, East Lost Angeles. 15:53 I grew up in South Central Los Angeles. 15:56 That's a rough area, isn't it? 15:57 It's a rough area. 15:58 It was a rough area growing up, as well. 16:01 Very notorious gang called 38th Street, 16:05 movies and Broadway musicals 16:08 have been written about the 38th Street gang. 16:10 Tell me about Thee Midniters. 16:12 Thee Midniters is a group of individuals that I met 16:16 when I started going to high school. 16:18 Some of them were in the music program 16:20 and some of the others were just working-class kids 16:24 there in East L.A., and I joined up with them. 16:27 We weren't Thee Midniters in the beginning. 16:30 The first name that we had for the band was The Gentiles. 16:33 The Gentiles. 16:35 And The Gentiles. 16:36 The Gentiles. 16:38 We didn't even know what it meant. 16:39 No. 16:40 But we had a drummer, his name was Jerry Ainsworth, 16:42 and his father was a Russian Orthodox Jew 16:46 and he was actually a Rabbi. 16:48 And Jerry's dad would yell at us every Wednesday. 16:52 Not so much at us, but he was yelling at Jerry, 16:54 "What are you doing with those Gentiles?" 16:58 They're unclean. 16:59 So you were called the Gentiles. 17:01 So we, as a dig to his dad, we called ourselves-- 17:04 we called the band The Gentiles. 17:06 So he had to see that 17:08 as he walked around Boyle Heights 17:11 on a daily basis, because we used play a lot 17:13 at the Carpenters' Hall, the Paramount Ballroom. 17:17 He would see our name on the posters, 'The Gentiles'. 17:19 But then you became the Midniters. 17:21 We became the Midniters because The Gentiles 17:23 wasn't as glamorous as some of the other bands, 17:26 the names that the bands had. 17:27 Now, the Midniters became quite famous. 17:29 We did. We did. 17:30 We had our first hit record in 1964. 17:35 I just graduated from high school. 17:37 I just turned 18-years-old, 17:40 and we recorded a song called 'Land of a Thousand Dances' 17:44 at a live rock and roll show at East L.A. college. 17:48 And so this was big thing for a young man, wasn't it? 17:51 Oh, absolutely, absolutely. 17:53 I never dreamed that, 17:56 that success would find me at such a young age 17:59 or that I would ever experience 18:01 the dimension of success that we had. 18:03 But Thee Midniters became one of the most popular, 18:07 one of the most famous groups 18:09 in the United States of America. 18:11 Yes, we did. 18:12 And you were called Little Willie. 18:13 Little Willie G. Yeah. 18:16 Now tell me, how did you come from Thee Midniters 18:20 to become what you are, a Christian? 18:23 Well, I would say all the basics 18:26 were there growing up. 18:27 I grew up in a godly home. 18:29 My parents loved God. 18:30 Praying mom-- 18:32 Oh, you were blessed. I was blessed. 18:33 I knew you a lot of kids who didn't have both parents 18:36 or were raised by their grandparents, 18:39 and so I was blessed growing up, 18:41 you know, a good work ethic, we went to church, 18:44 I grew up traditionally in Catholicism. 18:48 So-- Spanish background, of course. 18:50 Spanish background, it was there. 18:51 But we learned a healthy respect 18:54 for people, for property-- 18:56 And for God. And for God. 18:58 And the Church. And the Church. 18:59 And I believe we possessed 19:01 a lot of the characteristics of a Christian. 19:03 Absolutely, you did. 19:04 But we did not have Christ. 19:07 And so throughout the course of my young life, 19:12 I always thought, you know, because my parents had, 19:15 we went through the rituals of the church 19:18 I thought I was a shoe in the heaven. 19:21 Of course, saved by works. 19:23 Yeah. Who needs grace? 19:25 But over the course of the years, 19:28 after traveling the world with the band 19:32 and experiencing success, 19:34 I had everything that a young man could ever want. 19:37 I had reputation, I had money, I had possessions. 19:40 And you had fame. 19:42 I had fame, but there was something missing in my life. 19:47 And I believe with all my heart, Dr. Carter, 19:49 that when God created us, 19:52 He created us intentionally to be miserable without him. 19:55 Did you know? 19:56 You as a Catholic, you know Saint Augustine. 19:59 Yes. Augustine. 20:01 He made a tremendous statement. 20:03 He said, "Our souls were made for God, 20:07 and they cannot rest until they rest in Him." 20:11 Can you comment on that? Oh, yes, absolutely. 20:13 That was it. I was restless. 20:16 I knew that there was something missing in my life, 20:19 and I tried to fill it. 20:20 My first addiction was success. 20:23 It wasn't alcohol, it wasn't immorality, it wasn't drugs. 20:26 My first addiction was success. 20:27 So you're telling me that you can have fame, 20:30 you can have lots of money, 20:31 you can have lots of popularity, 20:33 but you're not going to have peace 20:35 if you don't have Christ. 20:37 That's right. Until you rest in Him and with Him. 20:40 I was restless. 20:41 I tried filling that place in my heart 20:45 that rightfully belongs to God with success, 20:48 with drugs, with alcohol, 20:49 with immorality, with possessions. 20:53 Paul says, "We're always learning, 20:56 but we're never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 20:59 And that was me. 21:00 So here you are, 21:02 you're very successful with Thee Midniters. 21:05 You've got plenty of money, you've got fame, 21:07 you've got fortune, you've got cars. 21:09 You've got what the human heart desires, 21:11 but you don't have peace. 21:13 I don't have peace. How do you find Christ? 21:14 Or how does Christ come to you, a young man in Los Angeles? 21:19 My dad was a student of Proverbs, 21:21 of the book of Proverbs. 21:23 He was? Yes. 21:24 And we just thought dad was witty, you know. 21:28 But you discovered later it wasn't original. 21:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 21:33 But my dad was always, you know, 21:35 giving us these witticisms, right? 21:37 So we'd say, "Wow, that's cool." 21:39 You know, and in the hopes that we would apply it to our lives. 21:42 Yes. 21:43 When I had my first hit record, 21:45 my dad spotted something in me. 21:48 Shortly after, I guess, 21:50 you know, success will change you. 21:52 Yes. It will change you. 21:53 It'll change the people that hang around with you as well. 21:58 And my dad, he told me something one day. 22:01 He said, "Proverbs 16:3." That's all he said. 22:05 Usually he would quote the scripture. 22:07 It took me 21 years to go look that scripture. 22:12 What does it say? 22:14 It says, "Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 22:16 and all your plans will succeed." 22:19 My dad spotted 22:21 that I was becoming addicted to success. 22:23 Yes. 22:24 And he knew that the kind of success 22:26 I was experiencing would never fill. 22:28 It doesn't last, and it doesn't fill the void in the soul. 22:30 It doesn't last, no. 22:32 So, but tell me how did you find Christ? 22:35 How did your life turn around? 22:37 Because now, you are a minister of the Gospel, 22:40 ministering to the gangs of Los Angeles. 22:43 Buy the grace of God, 22:44 I had moved back to Los Angeles 22:46 after living in San Francisco several years. 22:49 I loved San Francisco, 22:50 because if you enjoy sin, 22:53 San Francisco was the place to live. 22:54 That's the place to go. 22:55 In the '60s and the early '70s. 22:57 And right now too. 22:58 Yeah, and my dad called one day. 23:02 He said, "When are you coming home?" 23:03 And I said, "Well, I'll be down to visit you and mom, 23:05 you know, shortly." 23:06 He says, "No, no, not for a visit. 23:08 I need you to come home." 23:10 I said, "Well, are you all right?" 23:11 I got concerned that maybe they were ill. 23:13 And he says, "No, I'm gonna retire 23:15 and I need you to come and watch the house. 23:18 You don't have to live in it, 23:20 just find someone decent enough to take it over, 23:22 rent it to them and then you can go back 23:25 about your life." 23:26 And I moved back down to Los Angeles to, 23:29 you know, fulfill my parents' expectation. 23:34 When I came back to Los Angeles, 23:36 I started doing things that I said I would never do. 23:39 I mean, I was already experimenting, 23:41 doing hallucinogenics and smoking weed, 23:45 and a lot of cocaine. 23:47 There was a lot of cocaine in our life, 23:49 at that point of my career. 23:52 But I started doing heroin. 23:54 I came back to L.A. 23:55 That's one of the worst, isn't it? 23:56 One of the worst. And I started doing that. 24:00 I started doing something I said I would never do, 24:03 because coming back to L.A., 24:05 a place that I had worked so hard to get out of, 24:09 I went through a period of depression. 24:12 And so for four years, 24:14 I not only did heroin, I not only shot heroin, 24:18 but I became a import-exporter of heroin. 24:22 I would go down to Mexico 24:24 and we would smuggle drugs into the country, 24:27 and I became a distributor of heroin. 24:30 And it was during this time in my life 24:33 that my marriage was going nowhere, 24:37 my wife, by the grace of God 24:39 and her love for me, she stayed with me. 24:41 We had two young daughters. 24:43 And I began to look at my life. 24:45 The devil just had me in his grips. 24:48 My wife had a great job working for Capital Records. 24:51 She used to work for Kenny Rogers, 24:53 and she had great job. 24:56 But I wasn't doing very much 24:57 except living off of my reputation 25:00 as that of Willie G., 25:01 the lead singer of Thee Midniters. 25:04 I took her to work one morning. 25:05 I came home 25:07 and I couldn't get in the house. 25:09 I opened to door, 25:11 but there was like an invisible barrier 25:13 preventing me from walking into my home. 25:16 And I looked around, 25:18 and all I could see was the things 25:20 that you gather over the years 25:22 that say you're important, 25:24 that you've accomplished something. 25:25 Stuff. 25:26 All the awards and stuff 25:28 that you put on the walls to remind yourself 25:29 that you're great, you know. 25:31 And I heard this voice in my head, 25:34 as if I had on headphones. 25:36 It said, "See, Willie, you've had it all. 25:39 Everything you've desired to do, 25:41 everything you set out to do, you've accomplished. 25:44 The only thing left for you to experience is death." 25:47 I didn't know it was the devil. 25:50 But, you know, when you're, when you're, 25:51 you know, you dance with the devil, 25:53 you're gonna get stepped on. 25:54 Yeah, you are. 25:56 As soon as those words 25:59 were repeated in my mind, 26:01 I was released and I walked in the house. 26:04 And without thinking, 26:05 I just went over to where I kept my stash. 26:07 My stash is my drugs. Yeah. 26:09 And so I gathered them, and I went to the family room 26:12 and I sat it on a tray, 26:13 and I sat there trying to get the courage 26:16 to cook up 4 grams of heroin and inject it into my body 26:19 and end my life. 26:21 Goodness. 26:22 And as I sat there, 26:24 Doctor, I became to discover 26:25 that I really didn't want to die. 26:27 Nobody wants to die. No. 26:29 And I started thinking 26:30 there must have been something in my life 26:32 that I did good, that I did well, 26:35 all the telethons for Jerry Lewis, 26:37 and the March of Dimes. 26:38 And there must have been something 26:40 that I had done in my life 26:42 that was worthwhile and good 26:43 that I can at least go on living by. 26:47 And the devil just had me in his grips. 26:50 But during that darkest moment of my life, 26:53 the telephone rang, 26:54 and I answered that phone reluctantly. 26:58 I didn't want to answer it because it was distracting me 27:01 from what I was trying to do. 27:03 At the other end of the line 27:04 was a young man named Tony Garcia, 27:06 no relation, but he's someone I went to school with. 27:08 No relation. 27:10 No relation family wise, but I went to school with him. 27:13 I played in bands with him. 27:14 I always knew there was something different about Tony. 27:16 I just never knew what it was. 27:18 Well, that day on the telephone, 27:20 he was excited that he found me home. 27:22 And to make a short story longer, 27:27 he invited me to hear a band that he was playing in, 27:31 and that they were recording television programs 27:34 that we're being aired 27:35 in Mexico Central and South America. 27:38 And opportunist that I was, I agreed to go. 27:41 And I ended up 27:43 at another local television station 27:47 called KTBN, Channel 40. 27:50 And it was there 27:51 that I was exposed to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 27:54 Now we're going to take a little pause. 27:56 And we're gonna be back in just a moment or two, 28:00 and Pastor Garcia is going to tell you 28:02 how he escaped the world of drugs 28:05 and became a minister of the Gospel, 28:09 so that now he preaches the Gospel 28:11 to the gangs of Los Angeles. 28:13 Don't go away, we'll be back. 28:25 Who was is, and is to come 28:30 Blessed be the Lord God Almighty 28:37 Who reigns forever more 28:46 Evermore 28:50 Hallelujah! 28:54 Glory to God |
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