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00:01 I'm John Carter in Moscow.
00:02 I'm now in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. 00:04 I'm John Carter in Petra... 00:06 Reporting from India... 00:08 In Columbia... 00:09 I'm John Carter. 00:12 Today, John Carter talks 00:13 to a world famous astrophysicist 00:16 about scientific reasons to believe in God. 00:19 It's not just about faith, 00:21 it's about newly discovered scientific evidence. 00:24 His name is Dr. Hugh Ross. 00:30 Hello, friend, I'm John Carter. 00:33 Welcome today to The Carter Report. 00:35 We have a very special guest with us today, Dr. Hugh Ross. 00:40 Dr. Ross, it's an honor to have you with us today, sir. 00:44 Well, thank you. 00:45 And Dr. Ross comes from Reasons to Believe. 00:48 Today, we're going to talk about 00:50 the mysteries of the universe and lots more. 00:54 Welcome today to The Carter Report. 00:59 Time, it takes only a minute to have eternal life. 01:03 How can you get saved in a minute? 01:04 It's simple. 01:06 First, believe that Jesus was the Son of God. 01:08 Second, accept His free gift of eternal life. 01:11 And then you're saved. 01:13 It's not hard. 01:15 It doesn't take any time. 01:16 You can be saved in a minute right now. 01:19 Pray with me. 01:20 Lord God, I realize that I am a sinner. 01:23 My sin has separated me from You. 01:26 I accept that Your Son, Jesus Christ, died for me. 01:29 I ask Jesus into my heart. 01:31 If you prayed this prayer, you are saved. 01:34 The next thing to do is tell someone, 01:36 fellowship with other followers of Jesus, 01:39 get baptized, read your Bible, and pray. 01:43 Choices, we make them every day all day. 01:46 The most important choice you will make in your life 01:49 is whether to choose eternal life 01:51 or let it pass you by. 01:53 If you would like more information 01:54 about your new life, 01:56 call the number and visit our website. 02:00 The Pew Research Center 02:03 put out a report recently. 02:07 It's quite amazing and is really quite alarming. 02:12 They report that millions of young people 02:15 are leaving the Christian Church. 02:17 Millions are leaving. 02:20 And these are some of the reasons 02:23 that they're giving 02:24 why they're leaving the Christian Church. 02:27 Fifty-one percent question a lot of religious teachings, 02:32 thirty-four percent say 02:34 they don't like religious organizations, 02:37 and thirty-one percent say 02:40 they don't like religious leaders. 02:45 Not too good, is it? 02:49 This is similar to a 2016 Pew report. 02:55 And they came up... 02:58 the young people, when I interviewed them, 02:59 came up with these statements. 03:02 They no longer belong to a religious group 03:05 because they no longer believed it was true. 03:09 They thought the church was teaching hocus-pocus. 03:14 They said, a lot of them had gone 03:16 to a university, college, 03:18 and they had discovered evolution, and therefore, 03:22 they decided they'd give up the Christian faith. 03:25 I say to you, again, my friend, you may not know it, 03:28 but it is true, millions of young people 03:32 are leaving the Christian Church, 03:35 and it's all over science. 03:38 And sadly, most people just shrug their shoulders 03:41 and they're saying, "So what? 03:44 And who cares?" 03:45 I'm glad to tell you some people care. 03:48 Dr. Ross had reasons to believe cares deeply. 03:53 And, Dr. Ross, 03:55 we are honored to have you, sir, 03:56 with us today. 03:58 Well, thank you. 03:59 You have a great organization. 04:00 Why is it called Reasons to Believe? 04:03 Well, we're a group of research scientists 04:05 that are researching 04:06 the frontiers of scientific research 04:08 to demonstrate that the more we learn about the nature, 04:13 the more reasons we have to believe 04:14 in the supernatural handiwork of God. 04:16 So we show people the track record 04:18 that every day, there's new reasons to believe 04:21 in Jesus as Creator Lord and Savior. 04:23 Now you're an astrophysicist? Yes. 04:25 And you're an astronomer? 04:27 Yes. 04:29 How did you become an astronomer? 04:30 So you are... 04:32 What I'm trying to say 04:33 so that the audience will hear this, 04:35 you're a genuine scientist. 04:37 Yes. 04:38 How did you become a scientist? 04:40 All started when I was seven. 04:41 I wanted to know why the stars were hot. 04:43 Yeah. 04:45 My parents encouraged me to go to the library. 04:47 I then came home 04:48 with five books of astronomy and physics. 04:50 When? How old? 04:51 I was seven. Yeah. 04:52 I was doing that every weekend. 04:54 You must have been a different kid. 04:56 Well, I grew up in an interesting neighborhood 04:58 where a lot of us had already picked out 05:00 our future careers at that early age. 05:02 Amazing. 05:04 Your parents were Christians? 05:05 No, they were not. 05:07 But they encouraged me in my studies of science 05:10 and they encouraged me to look more broadly 05:12 than just astronomy and physics. 05:15 But it was my astronomy and physics 05:17 that eventually persuaded me 05:19 that the universe had a beginning. 05:21 And if there is a beginning, 05:22 I knew there had to be a beginner. 05:25 So as a scientist, you believe there is... 05:30 How can I put this? 05:31 You believe there are good reasons 05:34 to trust in a Creator God? 05:36 Very good reasons, particularly some astronomy. 05:39 Scientific reasons? Yes. 05:40 I mean, the power of astronomy 05:42 is although we have no access to the present, 05:45 we have direct access to the past. 05:47 So for example, 05:49 when we look at the Crab Nebula, 05:50 we don't see it as it is now, 05:52 we see it as it was 6,500 years ago 05:55 'cause that's how long it took the light 05:57 to reach our telescope. 05:59 But we can actually see so far away, 06:01 we can directly watch the universe being created, 06:05 hence our ability to directly witness 06:07 a cosmic creation event that gives us 06:10 the most rigorous compelling scientific evidences. 06:13 There must be a god that started it all. 06:15 And so for the audience that is watching today 06:18 and hopefully they'll be a lot of young people. 06:23 As a scientist, as an astrophysicist, 06:27 you've studied the stars, the universe... 06:30 I've read some of your books. 06:34 I didn't find all of them too easy to read. 06:37 Some are easier to read than others. 06:39 Well, I probably read the easiest ones. 06:40 But no, I've read your Improbable Earth, 06:43 and The Creator and the Cosmos. 06:46 I'm a fan of your books. 06:49 So you believe that 06:50 there are clear rational reasons 06:53 why a thinking person 06:56 can believe in the existence of God? 06:58 I do and I believe that every week that goes by, 07:00 we have even more reasons. 07:02 The evidence gets stronger and stronger 07:05 as we learn more and more about nature. 07:08 That's a big mouthful. 07:09 You actually believe that as time goes by, 07:13 there's more and more evidence to believe in God 07:15 because the agnostic and the atheist says that 07:19 all this religious stuff is bunkum. 07:22 You know, it's just all faith 07:24 and there's no reason to believe at all. 07:27 Once I did a radio debate with the British physicist, 07:30 Paul Davies and... 07:31 He is a famous guy. 07:32 He is. Yeah. 07:34 He was very receptive to what I was saying but he says, 07:36 "You know, I can't handle 07:37 the baggage of the church over." 07:40 Oops. Yeah. 07:41 So it wasn't believing in God that bothered him, it was, 07:44 you know, all the fixings 07:45 of the churches that concerned him. 07:46 Yeah. 07:48 I said, "Well, you know, you can actually believe in God 07:49 and read the Bible and trust the Bible 07:52 and trust in Jesus Christ without all that baggage." 07:55 You know what Nietzsche said on one occasion... 07:59 this famous man said that 08:01 the greatest argument against Christianity, 08:04 and this is a terrible thing to say, he said, 08:07 were the members of the church. 08:09 That's what Nietzsche said. 08:10 Well, he's right about that, 08:12 but he's also missing something else. 08:14 One of the greatest reasons 08:16 to believe in the Christian faith 08:17 is because of the members of the church. 08:20 I mean, what I find fascinating about humans, 08:23 we are wicked beyond what 08:25 any science could possibly explain, 08:27 but we're virtuous beyond 08:29 what any science can possibly explain. 08:31 There's two extremes in humanity, 08:33 a wickedness that has no explanation 08:35 naturalistically and virtuous 08:38 no explanation naturalistically. 08:40 I just wish Nietzsche would actually look 08:41 not just at the wickedness, but at the virtue. 08:43 Yeah. 08:44 And this man who gave up on God 08:46 had a very unpleasant end, didn't he? 08:48 He did. Yeah. 08:49 And his life was filled with torments. 08:52 Today, we're going to try 08:54 to do something quite extraordinary. 08:57 I say we're going to try to, 08:58 but I think you're going to be the person 09:00 who is going to do it. 09:02 I'm suggesting we discover 09:05 top 10 reasons to believe in God. 09:08 All right. The top... 09:10 Now maybe we'll go beyond that. 09:12 But I think if we can... 09:14 If, today, we can concentrate 09:16 and think of top 10 scientific reasons 09:21 why a person who like some of these young people 09:25 giving up on God, why they can believe in God 09:28 and still be honest with themselves. 09:31 I think Richard Dawkins said talking to one young person, 09:36 this young person said, 09:38 "I loved my faith but I can't believe... 09:41 I know that my faith is wrong and, therefore, 09:44 I'm just going to keep believing blindly." 09:48 And Dawkins said, and rightly so, he said, 09:49 "That's a tragedy when you've got to give up 09:52 your intellect to believe in God." 09:55 But as a famous scientist, 09:57 you believe that there's plenty of evidence 10:00 why thinking people can believe in God 10:03 and even believe in Jesus. 10:07 You haven't always believed... 10:09 Your parents were not believers, 10:13 you certainly believe in science. 10:17 Where were you educated? You? 10:20 I was educated in Canada. 10:21 I mean, I was born in Canada 10:23 and I got all my degrees in Canada. 10:24 Yes. 10:26 And then I went to Caltech to do post-doctoral research. 10:29 Tell me about your doctorate in astronomy. 10:32 Why did you decide 10:34 that you wanted to be an astronomer 10:36 and not a biochemist or something else? 10:40 Well, I knew from the age of eight onward 10:42 that my future career would be in astronomy and physics. 10:45 The seven books you took home. 10:47 They were. 10:48 I mean, I was just so fascinated 10:49 about the fact that in astronomy, 10:51 you're really asking the big questions. 10:54 Why is the universe the way it is? 10:56 Yes. 10:57 I wanted to actually explore those deep questions, 11:00 and so I thought, "Well, you know, 11:02 the best way to do that 11:03 is actually look at the galaxies and quasars 11:05 that are farthest away, actually, 11:08 explore what's going on near the creation even." 11:10 Now in some surveys, Caltech is coming as easily 11:15 one of the best universities in the world. 11:17 Well, especially for astronomy and physics. 11:19 Yeah. 11:20 I think with MIT came in a survey, 11:24 I saw that the same. 11:26 On other surveys, it's come in as number one. 11:29 Yeah, it's number one for physics and astronomy. 11:31 That's why I chose to go there. 11:33 Also, I wanted to use their telescopes. 11:36 At the time, they had the only telescope array, 11:39 a radio telescope array in a high-altitude desert. 11:43 So I just wanted to go there. 11:44 I also appreciate 11:46 the egalitarian spirit of Caltech 11:49 how everyone's kind of on the same level, professors, 11:52 grad students, postdocs, undergrads, 11:54 there is a high respect. 11:56 It's not hierarchical like the European universities. 11:59 Or the church. 12:01 Or the church for that matter. Yeah, right. 12:04 And I like the comment by young people. 12:06 And so there is a desire to discover truth. 12:08 There is, and frankly, 12:10 I'm optimistic about the younger generation 12:12 because they really want to dive in, 12:14 they want to debate, they want to dialogue. 12:17 I found the reason why they are turned off 12:19 by the church, 12:20 they don't have the chance to ask questions, 12:22 they don't have the chance to engage. 12:23 The church is not answering 12:26 many of the questions they have. 12:27 Or it is not even willing to entertain the questions. 12:30 Absolutely. 12:31 And I think that the church is often so close-minded 12:36 that it's pushing people with minds out. 12:40 Well, I am encouraged that the younger generations 12:42 are wanting to go to Starbucks and talk theology. 12:46 I mean, they love the opportunity to engage... 12:49 they especially like the opportunity to engage 12:51 with older people like us who have done a lot of study. 12:54 Well, they did like engaging with you. 12:56 Well, I think they love engaging with you, too. 12:58 I find that they really respect people 13:01 that have had a lot of experience 13:03 and a lot of education. 13:05 And it's amazing to me how the young people 13:07 want to hang around. 13:08 Well, we respect you here tremendously. 13:11 We respect what you believe, 13:14 we respect your mind and your ethics. 13:18 Now I know enough about astronomy 13:21 after reading your books to be just slightly dangerous. 13:25 So I just want you to be a little kind to me today. 13:28 Sure. 13:29 If I say some really dumb things 13:31 that you'll just sort of cover it up for me. 13:35 The anthropic principle. 13:37 Now I want you folks to listen to this, 13:40 put your thinking caps on, the anthropic principle. 13:43 Got it? 13:44 What's the anthropic principle? 13:46 Well, it's basically the evidence 13:48 for a fine-tuning design that we see in the universe 13:51 that makes life possible and human beings possible. 13:54 Why is it called anthropic? 13:56 Well, anthropos is the Greek word for man. 13:58 Yes. Yeah. 14:00 So it's the idea that the universe 14:02 has been designed to provide a home for humanity, 14:05 but I'd argue it's much more than that. 14:07 It's actually designed to make possible 14:10 the redemption of billions of human beings. 14:12 You know, this is a... 14:15 Last point there... 14:16 I've read some of your books on this. 14:18 This is quite an amazing concept. 14:20 But tell me now and I want everybody out there 14:24 to listen to this 14:26 because you're probably not going to hear this 14:27 anywhere else, 14:29 the fine-tuning of the universe, 14:32 anthropic principle. 14:34 The universe is designed for the human race. 14:38 Tell me about the fine tuning. 14:39 Give me some examples, please. 14:42 Well, for example, all the laws of physics 14:45 are fine-tuned to make possible the existence of physical life. 14:49 I mean, for example, if you were to halter 14:51 the force of gravity 14:52 relative to the force of electromagnetism 14:55 as little as 1 part in 10,000 trillion, trillion, trillion, 14:59 you're not going to have stable stars. 15:01 I got a feeling that sort of slipped... 15:03 I got a feeling that sort of slipped 15:04 through my mind a little abruptly. 15:09 Say that again. 15:11 The laws of physics... 15:13 The laws of physics... 15:14 Are exquisitely fine-tuned... 15:15 All of them? 15:17 All of them are. Yeah. 15:19 And the gross features of the universe, 15:21 the age of the universe, the size of the universe, 15:23 the mass of the universe... 15:24 Tell me this thing you told me about, what was it? 15:27 You said it's fine-tuned and you gave an illustration. 15:29 Yeah. 15:31 There are four forces of physics. 15:33 Yeah. 15:34 And the force of gravity is much weaker 15:36 than the force of electromagnetism. 15:38 It must be much weaker in order for stable stars 15:42 to exist in the universe. 15:44 In fact, you have to fine-tune 15:46 the ratio of the gravitational force 15:49 to the electromagnetic force to better than one part 15:52 in 10,000 trillion, trillion, trillion, 15:56 otherwise stars will instantly explode 15:59 or they'll never form in the first place, 16:01 and the stars you need to make physical life possible 16:04 will never exist in universe. 16:06 On one other occasion, in Arcadia, 16:08 I had the privilege of interviewing you. 16:11 And you held up a dime, 16:13 I'm sure you don't remember this. 16:15 Oh, I remember that. 16:16 Ah, you remember... 16:17 And you said if the mass of the universe 16:22 wear out by the weight of a dime... 16:25 Relative to the weigh of the rest of the universe. 16:28 Yes. 16:29 So tell me that again because I said to you, 16:31 "Who else believes. 16:32 Does anybody else believe? 16:34 Who else believes this?" 16:35 And you basically said, "Every educated person." 16:38 Well, it's been slightly refined. 16:40 I mean, that statement I made in Arcadia 16:43 was presuming that we didn't have dark energy. 16:46 Oh! 16:47 We now know that the universe is dominated by dark energy. 16:50 Yeah. 16:51 What's the proportion, dark energy? 16:53 Seventy-one percent of all the stuff 16:55 of the universe is dark energy. 16:57 That doesn't include dark matter? 16:59 Oh, the dark matter is 23%. 17:01 Okay. 17:02 And the ordinary matter is about 4.5%. 17:04 So it's over 90% 17:06 which is dark matter and dark energy? 17:08 Well, we add up the dark stuff, 17:10 all of dark matter and the dark energy, 17:14 it adds up to 99.73% 17:17 of all the stuff of the universe. 17:18 And so when we look at the universe, at the stars, 17:21 and everything, we're seeing... 17:24 A quarter of a percent. 17:25 A quarter of one percent. 17:27 And that's not because 17:29 the telescopes are not big enough? 17:30 Oh, no. 17:32 We can see plenty far enough away, 17:33 but the reason... 17:35 But the stuff, we can't see it. 17:36 Well, you have to fine-tune that quantity of dark stuff 17:40 to better than 1 part to 10 to the 122nd power 17:45 or you will not get physical life in the universe. 17:48 And that's fine-tuning far greater 17:49 than that dime illustration, way greater. 17:52 So I won't be using the dime anymore. 17:55 Well, it's still a good illustration, 17:56 but the fine-tuning is even more impressive. 17:58 I've got pictures 17:59 and I've got graphs on the dime. 18:00 I was so impressed. 18:02 I talked about this in Russia and wherever I went. 18:05 I don't know how many people understood it, 18:07 but I was certainly impressed. 18:11 So now the fine-tuning is tied in with gravity 18:17 and dark energy? 18:20 Every feature 18:21 that we can measure of the universe 18:23 and every feature of the laws of physics 18:26 shows us incredible high degree of fine-tuning design 18:30 to make life possible. 18:32 The other thing we noticed is the fine-tuning goes up 18:35 when you start about, 18:37 okay, what do we need to get a bacterium? 18:39 What do we need to get bacteria that last long enough 18:42 to make plants and animals possible? 18:43 Yeah. 18:44 If you're talking about animals, 18:46 the fine-tuning goes up orders of magnitude more, 18:48 and then for humans, 18:50 it exponentially increases the fine-tuning 18:53 you need to get human beings. 18:54 But the greatest increase of all 18:57 is if you want a universe with humans 18:59 or humans can retain their free will 19:02 and be permanently delivered from sin and evil. 19:05 That's the greatest fine-tuning of all. 19:07 And what impresses me about the study, 19:09 the universe, and the earth, 19:11 everything in the universe has been designed 19:14 to make possible the redemption of human beings. 19:18 These are amazing concepts 19:20 because when I read the Pew Research report, 19:26 the young people who are leaving the church 19:28 by drove say, 19:29 because they haven't been taught these things 19:31 and the church hasn't been teaching these things, 19:36 they say there is no evidence. 19:39 Well, obviously they just don't know, do they? 19:41 No one's presented the evidence for them, no. 19:45 And I speak on university campuses, 19:47 I discovered these young people 19:48 are really eager to hear about the evidence. 19:50 Great audience. Yeah. 19:52 How many university campuses have you been to? 19:55 About 350. 19:57 That's basically here in the USA? 20:00 No, it's including those around the world. 20:02 All right. 20:03 And you've been to Loma Linda and other places? 20:06 Then you tell me you went to a great college 20:09 down in the Caribbean. 20:11 It was the University of the Southern Caribbean. 20:14 So I've been to all three USCs, 20:16 University of Southern California, 20:18 University of South Carolina, 20:19 and the University of the Southern Caribbean. 20:22 And so on these campuses, 20:24 you find young people who are searching for answers, 20:29 looking for ultimate reality. 20:31 Is this true? 20:32 I find that young people are more spiritually searching 20:35 than the older generations. 20:36 And their minds are not so closed. 20:39 Well, they're eager to dialogue, 20:40 they do not want to hear sermons. 20:42 No. They don't want to. 20:44 They want to be able to engage you. 20:46 And so what we do is 20:48 we go on these university campuses 20:49 with a relatively short message and a long time with Q&A, 20:53 and then we follow that 20:55 with informal one-on-one dialogue. 20:57 So they don't want someone pontificating to them? 21:00 They don't. They want to engage you. 21:02 They want to, you know, 21:03 take you down the path they want to go. 21:06 And I find they will hang around 21:07 till midnight talking to you, 21:09 that's how hungry they are, find out about the stuff. 21:10 And they are receptive? 21:11 Very receptive. 21:13 And they don't have closed minds? 21:14 They don't have closed minds. 21:15 And I think the churches needs to realize 21:17 this is a different generation. 21:19 They want dialogue. 21:20 They want engagement. 21:22 And they want us to deal with the really hard questions. 21:24 And so Jesus, I think, 21:26 would have got on very well with them. 21:27 Oh, sure. 21:29 One thing I often do in university campuses, 21:31 we're going to go into Q&A, but we got a rule, 21:34 no softball questions, 21:35 we only want hardball questions. 21:37 And that's what the young people want to do. 21:39 They want to be able to engage you 21:40 with really challenging questions. 21:43 Now this is not going to be easy 21:46 because I probably won't be the best interviewer 21:49 that's ever lived on the face of the earth. 21:52 We're going to try to get... 21:55 Well, you're going to get them, top 10 reasons. 21:59 I can do that for you. Okay. 22:00 Now you've given us one on... 22:02 What are we going to call the first one? 22:04 I'd say you want to start off 22:06 with the origin of the universe, 22:08 then we look at the universe 22:09 all the observational evidence... 22:11 So we're going to put this up. 22:14 Number 1, top 10. 22:16 We've already given lots of stuff, 22:18 but we're going to sort of get... 22:19 I'm going to get a little more organized now. 22:22 And the first top 10 reason is going to be 22:25 the origin of the universe. 22:27 Right. 22:28 What is the origin of the universe suggests 22:31 that there is a Creator God such as described in the Bible? 22:36 Well, we now have 22:38 a huge amount of observational evidence 22:40 about the history of the universe, 22:42 100% of that observational evidence screams at us 22:45 that the universe has a beginning. 22:47 And this is beyond controversy. 22:49 It's beyond controversy. 22:51 And we're not just talking beginning of matter and energy, 22:54 we're talking of beginning of space and time itself. 22:58 Based on these observations, theoretical astrophysicists 23:01 have developed over 30 spacetime theorems, 23:05 which basically prove 23:06 that the universe not only has a beginning 23:09 but that's when space and time were created, 23:12 which implies there must be an agent beyond space and time 23:15 that created our universe, 23:17 matter, energy, space, and time. 23:19 And what I find interesting about that, 23:22 the Eastern religions claim that God creates 23:24 within space and time that eternally exists. 23:27 And this goes around in circles, doesn't it? 23:30 Well, some of them are circular, 23:31 and there's a variety of models within the Eastern religions. 23:35 But what they all have in common 23:36 is that God or gods create within space and time. 23:40 The God of the Bible is different. 23:42 He creates independent of space and time. 23:44 So He makes space and time? 23:46 He creates space and time and He creates the universe, 23:49 and now we can prove that 23:50 with the rigor of observations and theorems. 23:53 So this is not... 23:55 this not just talk? 23:56 It's not just talk. Now this is... 23:58 I say to some of my Christian friends, 24:01 don't be afraid when we talk about these things. 24:04 Jesus said, "You'll know the truth 24:07 and the truth will make you free." 24:09 So listen to the truth. 24:12 Many Christians, 24:13 including members of my own church, 24:16 are terrified by the term the Big Bang. 24:21 They shouldn't be. 24:22 They think it's evolution. 24:25 Well, the Big Bang is the most highly fine-tuned thing 24:28 we can observe in all of science. 24:30 And it's got nothing to do with evolution? 24:32 In fact, it's the opposite. 24:34 The opposite of evolution. 24:36 Well, for example, 24:38 you're already part of the 20th century. 24:39 There is a debate on the astronomical community, 24:42 is the universe quadrillions of years old 24:45 with enough time for biological evolution? 24:47 Quadrillions of years old. 24:49 Quadrillions or is it only billions. 24:51 And now we have the evidence that the universe is young. 24:54 It's only billions years of old. 24:55 Now quadrillion is very, very old, isn't it? 24:58 Well, that's... 25:01 That's, you know, billion, trillion, million years, so... 25:05 And that's about the time that, I think, would be needed 25:09 for the evolutionary process to work. 25:11 What's with astronomers who are saying the early 1920s, 25:14 we want save the biological evolutionary model. 25:18 We need a minimum of 1,000 trillion years 25:21 or quadrillion years. 25:22 So how old? 25:24 A thousand trillion? 25:25 At least to thousand trillion. 25:27 I would argue today, 25:28 we need a lot more time than that. 25:29 But back then, that's what they were saying. 25:31 That's for Darwinism to work. 25:32 That's for Darwinism or the modern, 25:35 you know, evolutionary models. 25:36 Yes. Yes. 25:38 But astronomers said, "No, there is not enough time, 25:41 it's only 14 billion years." 25:43 Now, Dr. Ross, I know the Bible a little bit 25:47 and you know it very well I'm sure. 25:51 The Bible doesn't set out to tell us 25:54 when the universe was created. 25:56 It doesn't. 25:58 But you know what shocked me when I first inspected Bible 26:00 at the age 17 is that all the fundamental principles, 26:06 a Big Bang cosmology were stated in the Bible. 26:09 I'm sure. Thousands of years. 26:10 I'm sure. 26:12 Like this expansion of the universe. 26:13 Yes. 26:14 That's, you know, six different... 26:16 Yeah, I read all of this stuff. Yeah. 26:17 Now tell me if I'm right or if I'm wrong, 26:21 but I understand from astronomy, 26:26 looking through the telescopes, all other sorts of things, 26:31 it can be defined quite precisely. 26:34 And we're not talking about this world, 26:35 we're not talking about human beings, 26:37 but the cosmos, space, 26:40 time came into being about 13.8 billion years ago. 26:46 Right, 13.79, they cut out the 4 places now. 26:49 They've changed it a little bit. 26:51 Just a tiny bit. 26:52 It was 13.82, wasn't it? No? 26:55 Well, one measurement says 13.81, 26:57 another measurement says 13.877, 27:00 the average of two is 13.79. 27:03 Okay. I'll try to remember that. 27:04 So if you're ever in my audience, I won't, 27:07 you know, make a faux pas. 27:10 So the point of the matter is though, 27:12 and I want everybody to hear this 27:14 and we're going to talk about this 27:15 more in the next interview, 27:17 that the Bible teaches the beginning of all things. 27:22 And astronomy proves that the Bible was right. 27:26 Correct. 27:28 The Bible stated that God created space and time 27:31 when He created the universe. 27:32 We can now prove that with the rigor of astrophysics. 27:36 The Bible thousands of years ago 27:37 said the universe is expanding. 27:40 Astronomers had no idea of that until the 1920s. 27:44 And now we got evidence 27:45 and the Bible got that part right, 27:46 the Bible also... 27:48 the laws of physics don't change. 27:50 We can measure the laws of physics 27:51 all the way back to the cosmic creation event, 27:54 we see no change in the laws of physics, 27:56 exactly what the Bible said thousands of years ago. 27:59 I'm talking to Dr. Hugh Ross who is a famous astrophysicist. 28:05 And we'll be back after this break. 28:20 For a copy of today's program, 28:22 please contact us at P.O. 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