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00:01 I'm John Carter in Moscow.
00:02 And now in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. 00:04 I'm John Carter in Petra. 00:06 Reporting from India. 00:08 In Colombia. 00:09 I'm John Carter. 00:11 Today, John Carter talks 00:13 to a world famous astrophysicist 00:16 about scientific reasons to believe in God. 00:19 It's not just about faith, 00:21 it's about a newly discovered scientific evidence. 00:24 His name is Dr. Hugh Ross. 00:31 Hello, friend, this is John Carter. 00:33 Welcome back to The Carter Report. 00:36 We have a special guest with us today, Dr. Hugh Ross, 00:39 the President of Reasons to Believe. 00:42 Dr. Ross is a first rate scientist. 00:47 He knows all these wonderful things 00:50 about the universe, 00:51 and why the world is as it is, and what is more, 00:56 he believes that there is evidence, 00:59 actual scientific evidence to believe in God. 01:03 Dr. Ross, we're honored, sir, to have you with us today, 01:07 and thank you for joining us. 01:08 Yeah, you're welcome. 01:09 We were talking about what is called by scientists 01:12 the Big Bang. 01:14 That's just a term that they use 01:17 for the moment of creation. 01:20 Did the scientific world always believe 01:23 in a starting point for the universe? 01:26 No, it wasn't until 1925 01:28 that the idea that universe had a beginning 01:31 really became known within the astronomic community 01:34 and astronomers fought it for several decades. 01:37 But by the late 1960s, 01:39 the evidence became overwhelming. 01:41 It really does have a beginning. 01:44 And what's interesting is 01:45 if a fight was for theological reasons. 01:47 They said if there's a... 01:48 Theological reasons. Right. 01:50 "If there's a beginning, there's got to be a beginner, 01:52 we don't like that, so let's see 01:53 if we get rid of this beginning." 01:55 But they couldn't get rid of the beginning. 01:58 Before I asked you the question in the previous segment, 02:03 many Christians hate the word "Big Bang." 02:06 That I think somehow it shows a relationship to evolution. 02:11 Well, also the term "Big Bang" was coined by someone 02:15 who hated the Big Bang, Fred Hoyle. 02:18 Yeah. 02:19 And a lot of people think, 02:21 well, Big Bang means it's like an exploding grenade. 02:24 That's not it at all. 02:25 The expansion of the universe 02:27 is the most exquisitely fine-tuned thing 02:29 we can measure, 02:30 and so it's a very carefully controlled 02:33 expansion of the universe, cosmic beginning. 02:36 I think another reason why some Christians don't like 02:38 the term "Big Bang" is that 02:40 it means that the universe is 14 billion years old 02:43 and they think that might give enough time for evolution. 02:46 But what's interesting 02:48 about the history of Big Bang cosmology, 02:50 it was evolutionists that says, 02:52 "We've got to get rid of this Big Bang, 02:53 it doesn't give us enough time." 02:55 Yes. 02:56 You know, 14 billion years, 02:57 that's only 10 zeros after the one, 02:59 you need way more zeroes 03:00 than that if you're going to save 03:02 a biological evolutionary model. 03:03 Yeah. 03:05 So the idea of the universe coming into being, 03:07 say a 14 billion years ago 03:09 is the death knell of evolution. 03:12 It is, but it's also something that's fine tuned 03:15 for our benefit. 03:16 If we were put here, 03:18 we human beings were put here 03:19 earlier in the history of the universe 03:21 and 14 billion years 03:22 after the cosmic creation event, 03:24 light from that event wouldn't have time 03:26 to travel along the space surface 03:28 and reach our telescopes. 03:30 We wouldn't be able to see that evidence. 03:32 And if God had put us here any later, 03:35 dark energy would be speeding an information away from us 03:37 greater than the velocity of light. 03:39 We're literally here at the only time 03:42 where we can see 03:43 the entire history of the universe. 03:45 So now we're going to try 03:48 to get 10 big reasons to believe in God. 03:50 We've got one so far. 03:53 We've got more evidence 03:54 than we can push into this period of time. 03:58 Tell me about the fine-tuning 03:59 of the expansion of the universe. 04:02 The universe is expanding, isn't it? 04:05 It is. 04:06 And if you expand universe too 04:08 rapidly from the cosmic creation event, 04:11 the only elements that will exist in the universe 04:14 will be hydrogen and helium or only hydrogen. 04:17 You won't have the carbon, oxygen, 04:19 or nitrogen you need for life. 04:21 If it expanded too slowly from the cosmic creation event, 04:24 the first stars convert all the mass of the universe 04:28 and the elements heavier than iron. 04:31 And once again, you're missing the carbon, 04:33 oxygen, and nitrogen that light needs. 04:36 How fast is it expanding? 04:38 Well, where we can... 04:41 It's expanding a little bit 04:44 less than the velocity of light. 04:45 So it's expanding very rapidly from the cosmic creation event. 04:49 And that itself is fine-tuned? It is. 04:52 It has to be expanding a little slower 04:55 in the past than it is today. 04:58 So you need to fine-tune the expansion rate 05:01 at different times throughout cosmic history 05:03 in order to get the right stars and planets. 05:06 How fine is the tuning 05:09 for the expansion of the universe? 05:11 Well, the expansion itself must be fine-tuned 05:13 to one part in 10 to the 56 power but the... 05:17 Now that means nothing to me. 05:19 Well, it's 56 zeros after the one. 05:21 Say it again. That's 56 zeros after the one. 05:24 One with 56 zeros? Right. 05:27 But the parameters mainly dark energy 05:29 and the cosmic mass density that control the expansion, 05:33 there the fine-tuning is one part 05:35 in 10 to the 122nd power. 05:37 How many atoms in the universe? 05:39 Well, let me give you... 05:40 I think I have better comparison. 05:42 We can compare the fine-tuning 05:45 of these two features of the universe 05:47 to get it to expand it just the right rate 05:49 so light can exist with the very best example 05:52 of human engineering inventiveness 05:56 design and creativity, 05:58 which in my opinion is the gravity wave telescope, 06:01 the legal instrument. 06:02 If we compare the ultimate example 06:04 of human fine-tuning design with a fine-tuning design 06:08 we see in dark energy and dark matter, 06:12 our design ranks 10 trillion, 06:15 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, 06:18 trillion times inferior... 06:20 Inferior? 06:21 Inferior to the level of design 06:23 we see in dark energy and dark matter, 06:26 which implies that the one that created our universe 06:28 of matter, energy, space, 06:30 and time at a minimum is 10 trillion, 06:33 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, 06:35 trillion times more intelligent and more knowledgeable 06:39 than the Cal Tech and MIT physicists 06:42 that had invented this amazing instrument 06:44 and at least that many times better funded 06:46 than the US government 06:48 that actually enabled it to be constructed. 06:50 So what we're saying to the audience today, 06:52 we hope there are lots of young people watching, 06:55 there is overwhelming evidence to believe in God, 06:59 not faith evidence, but evidence from science, 07:03 evidence from astronomy. 07:06 And not just any God, 07:07 we're talking the God of the Bible. 07:09 It's the God of the Bible, not a pagan God. 07:12 Not a Hindu God or Buddhist God. 07:14 Yes, mighty God. 07:17 So the universe came into being at the right time. 07:22 Space, time, matter came into being, 07:27 then the universe started to expand, 07:30 and the fine-tuning there 07:31 is one in a trillion, trillion, trillion... 07:33 Whatever, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 07:36 How can a rational person say this just happened by itself? 07:41 Help me out here. 07:42 How can a person be rational and look at this fine-tuning 07:47 in the universe and say, 07:49 "Hey, it does happen by itself"? 07:51 Well, when I was in the London a few weeks ago, 07:54 I debated the British chemists Peter Atkins and... 07:58 Oh, you did? 08:00 I did. Yes. 08:01 And at the very end, the question that was put to us 08:03 by the moderator, 08:05 "What scientific evidence would cause you 08:07 to change your position?" 08:09 And so I gave several examples. 08:10 I said, if we're to prove the universe 08:12 didn't have a beginning, 08:13 that would be catastrophic to my Christian faith. 08:15 Yes. 08:16 If we were to prove that we human beings 08:18 are really only differ by degree 08:20 and not by kind with the animals, 08:22 that would be catastrophic to my Christian faith. 08:25 The moderator turned to Peter, "What scientific evidences 08:28 would cause you to abandon your atheism?" 08:31 And he said he couldn't think of any. 08:34 So it's like... 08:35 That's a devastating confession, isn't it? 08:37 Well, it means the evidence 08:39 really isn't the factor for him, 08:41 and what I discovered talking to him is that 08:44 he's had some bad experiences with the church. 08:47 Yeah, the baggage. 08:48 That the baggage is what's keeping him, 08:50 not the evidence. 08:51 The nasty people. 08:52 Not the God of the Bible, but the baggage. 08:55 Right. 08:56 Before you talk to me 08:58 about dark energy and... 09:02 Dark matter. Dark matter, yeah, 09:04 you helping me out here a little bit? 09:06 I'm trying. 09:10 What is the percentage of dark matter and dark energy? 09:15 Dark energy adds up to 70.7% 09:18 of all the stuff of the universe. 09:19 And the other stuff? 09:20 The dark energy adds up 09:22 to somewhere between 24%. 09:27 So it's around 99%? 09:28 Ordinary matter, 09:30 the stuff that were made of protons and neutrons, 09:32 that's about 4.5%. 09:33 Yes. 09:35 And so the visible matter 09:37 that we see is only 0.27%. 09:40 So that's... So the dark stuff dominates. 09:43 That's a little over a quarter of one percent. 09:46 Yeah. See, I'm a mathematician too. 09:48 Right. Okay. 09:53 Is there anything about the relationship 09:56 between dark matter and the rest of the universe 10:00 that suggests a grand designer? 10:03 Well, you can have grand design galaxies, 10:06 unless you've got that dark matter 10:09 at the right amount, in the right location, 10:11 with the right distribution. 10:13 What on earth is it? Does anybody know? 10:15 Well, we're trying to discover the particles 10:17 that make up dark matter 10:20 and we know that the particles do not interact with photons, 10:25 which makes an extremely difficult to detect. 10:28 But I wrote in my book The Creator and the Cosmos, 10:31 the fourth edition that came out 10:32 a few months ago... 10:34 Yeah. Yes, I read it. 10:35 That we're on the verge of being able to discover 10:38 these particles. 10:39 I think within the next two, three years, 10:41 we'll be able to identify these particles. 10:44 And so there is an amazing relationship 10:47 between the dark matter, the dark energy, 10:50 and the expansion of the universe? 10:52 Well, the dark matter stabilizes the galaxies. 10:58 So if you want spiral galaxies 11:01 where you got nice symmetrical spiral arms, 11:04 where the arms are just the right distance apart 11:05 to make life possible, 11:07 you're going to need a lot of this exotic dark matter 11:10 and it needs to be in just the right location. 11:12 Is it true that the dark energy 11:15 drives the expansion of the universe 11:17 or has that infect upon it? 11:19 Yeah, it's not the only factor controlling cosmic expansion 11:22 but it is the primary factor. 11:24 And this has got to overcome the force of gravity? 11:26 Yes. 11:28 Yeah, gravity works to slow down 11:29 the cosmic expansion, 11:31 dark energy works to speed it up. 11:33 And there is a relationship, 11:35 how fine-tuned is this cosmic expansion, 11:39 and the dark matter, and all this stuff? 11:41 Well, I said before, 11:43 one part in 10 of the 122nd power 11:46 or a fine-tuning that's 10 to the 97 times greater 11:49 than anything we human beings are able to achieve, 11:53 which implies that the one that created this stuff 11:56 has to be much more intelligent, 11:58 knowledgeable, creative, and powerful, 12:00 and caring than we human beings. 12:03 So it can't just be some kind of... 12:04 And so God doesn't expect an unbeliever, agnostic, 12:08 or an atheist just to take a blind leap of faith. 12:14 There is evidence to take this leap. 12:16 There is evidence. 12:18 And, you know, there's verses in the Bible, 12:20 1 Thessalonians 5:21, 12:22 "Test everything, hold fast to that which is good." 12:26 The Bible is against blind faith. 12:28 It wants us to be... Say that again. 12:30 The Bible's against blind faith. 12:32 Now I want you to hear this, 12:33 the Bible is against blind faith. 12:36 The Bible wants us to build that faith upon evidence. 12:40 Well, the Greek and Hebrew words 12:42 used for faith in the Bible 12:43 mean acting upon established truth. 12:47 So I have a lot of colleagues who know what's true 12:49 but they don't act upon it. 12:50 Yeah, sure, you've got to act on it. 12:52 Two components, you've got to act 12:53 on what you've now established to be true. 12:55 And we're going to try to find some great big reasons 12:59 why the universe tells us to believe in God. 13:02 What else? 13:03 Well, what fascinates me is that the laws of physics 13:06 not only are designed to make possible 13:09 the existence of us human beings, 13:12 they're designed to deliver us from evil and suffering. 13:15 So and you actually see this how thermodynamics, 13:19 gravity, and electromagnetism 13:21 work in such a way that the more evil 13:23 we humans commit, the more time we waste, 13:27 the more pain we experience, 13:29 and the more work we have to do 13:30 to undo the damage of the sin and evil we commit, 13:34 and that's because of the way 13:35 God structured the laws of physics, 13:37 it guarantees that as we depart from virtue and pursue evil, 13:42 we will suffer those consequences. 13:44 Now... 13:46 And I can't think of any better physical laws 13:48 to make that happen 13:49 than what we see in the universe. 13:51 You're an outstanding astronomer. 13:56 But you've done a little bit of dabbling 13:58 in biology, haven't you? 14:00 Oh, I have. 14:01 That's where you get a lot more evidence. 14:03 Yeah, I've read some of your stuff on this. 14:05 How complex... 14:07 Now this is the very opposite of these great galaxies. 14:10 How complex is a cell? 14:14 Far more complicated than anything 14:16 we astronomers measure in the universe. 14:18 I mean, if you look inside... 14:20 Are you kidding? I'm not kidding. 14:21 A cell. 14:22 A single cell, if you look at it in detail, 14:25 you'll see that it's more complex 14:27 than a large city. 14:29 It's got highways, 14:30 it's got machines, you got factories. 14:32 This is not poetic language. Not at all. 14:35 So tell me about the cell? 14:38 Well, it's loaded with these very complicated machines. 14:42 For example, every machine, we humans have ever invented, 14:45 we can find analogies 14:47 to those machines inside the cell. 14:49 Distant engines, your rotary engines. 14:53 Boats. 14:54 Little boats? 14:55 Well, you actually see little transportation vehicles 14:59 that ride along these microtubules 15:01 to remove waste from the cell and bring in the resources 15:06 that these different factories and cells need, 15:08 and it's all organized in a beautiful way. 15:11 And you can't see it with the naked eye? 15:13 Well, with electron microscope 15:14 we can see all the stuff going on inside the cell. 15:18 What I'm trying to say is tiny. 15:20 It's very tiny. 15:21 So you've got all this incredible machinery 15:23 and all of this stuff packed inside this cell? 15:28 And you really can't make it any smaller 15:30 than what we see inside the cells 15:32 at the very minute 15:33 that the laws of physics will permit. 15:35 The other thing we noticed is 15:37 the machines that are inside the cell, 15:39 they're like our machines, only they're more efficient. 15:42 Now our friends, the evolutionists say, 15:46 that the cell basically started by chance. 15:50 They do which is why my colleague Fazale Rana... 15:52 Yes. 15:54 Biochemist wrote a book called "Creating Life in the Lab." 15:56 Yes. 15:57 And he talks about how biochemists 16:01 with a lot of technology and funding 16:03 are trying to find ways that they can duplicate 16:06 the manufacture we see inside the cell, 16:09 and basically all they can do is 16:11 trade parts that are already there. 16:13 They're not able to build life from scratch. 16:16 And even if they could, it would simply prove 16:19 that the one that created the cell at first place 16:22 was a lot better funded with more technology 16:25 and a lot more power into like than they have. 16:27 So when you turn on PBS or some other station 16:31 here in the US, or the history channel, 16:33 and someone says rather confidently, 16:36 "Well, we believe that 16:40 life originated from non-life in the cell 16:44 simply came into being." 16:46 All these are people who don't attend 16:48 origin of life research. 16:49 That's the dreamers, aren't they? 16:51 You know, we attend these meetings, 16:53 and when we attend the meetings, 16:54 you discover there's a real spirit 16:56 of depression and despondency there 16:58 because of the fact that we are... 17:00 The origin of life. 17:01 Right. Yeah. 17:03 I mean, we attended a conference 17:05 just this past July in the origin of life 17:07 and the highlight was if five of the 17:09 world's leading origin of life researchers 17:11 address the question, 17:13 do we understand where the building blocks 17:15 of life molecules come from? 17:18 All five said no, in fact, 17:19 all five said we don't even know 17:21 where the building blocks 17:22 or the building blocks come from. 17:24 And we astronomers 17:26 are actually looking for these building blocks 17:28 in interstellar molecular clouds, 17:30 the best place to find them, and we're not finding. 17:33 And so when a person says confidently 17:37 that life generated itself. 17:40 He's really saying a super statement of faith. 17:43 Well, moreover, it's testable. 17:45 I mean, if you're going to say that 17:46 these amino acids came together and made proteins... 17:48 Yes. 17:50 Well, where are all of these amino acids. 17:52 It seems to me like a massive pipe dream. 17:56 Well... Why would you say... 17:58 I mean, you're saying stuff, not you, 18:00 but a person who says 18:02 that life invented itself. 18:07 It's a dream. 18:08 Well, it's a dream in a sense we can't even find a source 18:11 for the simplest of the building blocks, 18:14 the amino acids, the ribose sugars, 18:16 the nuclear bases, that's missing. 18:19 And a question that should be asked... 18:21 I mean, how can you build life 18:22 if we don't have the component parts? 18:24 Absolutely. 18:25 And the dreamer should be asked, 18:26 "Where did the dream come from?" 18:28 Where did the dream come from? 18:29 Moreover to put these pieces of molecules together, 18:31 they all have to have the same configuration, 18:35 they all have to be left handed in terms of the proteins 18:38 and right handed for the nucleic. 18:39 You don't have, I like these, you know, 18:41 one chance in a billion, trillion, dillion, you don't... 18:45 What's the possibility of this happening? 18:48 Well, even the leading naturalistic origin of life 18:52 researchers admit 18:53 that the possibilities are extremely remote. 18:57 I mean, and the idea that, for example, 19:00 they've been trying to find a way, okay, 19:01 we need to put these molecules together, 19:04 they all have to have the same handedness, 19:06 they've done experiments in the lab 19:08 where they try to get them all the same handedness. 19:10 In order to do that what you do is 19:12 you destroy the right handed ones 19:14 more rapidly than the left handed ones, 19:17 but long before we get to 100% left handed, 19:19 you've got no sample left. 19:21 You destroy everything. 19:23 And so there is no naturalistic solution 19:26 for how you can get all the molecules 19:28 oriented in the right direction that you can put them together, 19:31 let alone be able to put them together. 19:33 I get a feeling we're not going to get to 10. 19:35 Well, that's okay. 19:37 Now we got into three or four. 19:39 I mean, I'm very quickly I can summarize this for you. 19:41 There's the origin of humanity. Yes. 19:44 The exceptionalism of humans, 19:46 the fact that we're distinct from all of the life forms. 19:48 Yes, we're not animals. 19:49 We're not animals. And we're not machines. 19:51 But if you look at the soulish animals, 19:53 the birds and mammals... 19:54 Yes. 19:56 They're also distinct from all other life 19:57 and they're distinct in the sense they are designed 20:00 to form relationships with human beings, 20:03 which tells us that likewise we are designed 20:06 to form relationships with a higher being. 20:08 It was Job that said, look to these animals, 20:11 they will teach you spiritual lessons. 20:12 So we believe in a personal Creator God 20:16 who made us in His own image and who loves us. 20:20 Now tell me a little bit 20:24 about our place in the universe 20:27 and why very place in the universe 20:29 is quite extraordinary? 20:32 Well, you heard me talk about how we're the only time 20:34 where we can measure everything in the universe. 20:37 We're also at the only light conceivable location 20:40 where we can measure everything, 20:42 which tells me that there must be a being 20:45 who wants us to have the capacity 20:47 to read the book of nature. 20:49 So I'm going to say this back to you so that I get it. 20:53 We're at the only place in the universe 20:56 which is vast, isn't it? 20:58 It is. 20:59 How many billion galaxies? 21:01 We're talking 200 billion galaxies, 21:03 50 billion trillion stars. 21:05 And we happen to be orbiting the one star 21:08 where we can actually see the whole story of creation. 21:11 Did you get that? 21:12 Just think about that. 21:14 We're at the only place in the universe 21:16 where we can look back into time. 21:19 Oh, people want to actually see the evidence 21:21 for that Reasons.org/Ross, 21:24 we're giving away a free chapter 21:26 of why the universe is the way it is. 21:28 Now let's put that up on the screen. 21:29 Yeah. 21:30 Well, I think we get lots of free chapters 21:32 of our books just by doing that, 21:34 which kind of gets you into the top 10 21:36 because we've written a book and every one of the top 10. 21:40 All I can say is it's astounding. 21:42 It is indeed. It's just. 21:44 I think God wants to blow our mind 21:46 with all the wonder that He's done on our behalf, 21:49 the whole universe exists. 21:50 And people don't know this, do they? 21:53 A lot of people... 21:54 A lot of people don't know this. 21:55 A lot of these young people 21:57 who've left the church have never heard this stuff, 22:00 have gone to college or university 22:04 and they've been told that neo-Darwinism 22:07 is an established fact. 22:09 That's what they are taught, aren't they? 22:10 Well, it is a fact that life has been here a long time 22:13 and is now more complex than it used to be, 22:16 that's a simple definition of biological evolution. 22:19 And I think it, what they're being taught is 22:22 it all happened by natural processes. 22:24 Yes, yes, yes, so... 22:25 And the top researchers 22:26 admit that they can't prove that. 22:28 No. 22:29 Long way from being able to just do that. 22:31 The Bible teaches that man was made in the image of God. 22:35 Right. 22:37 And He was a new and distinct creation. 22:40 We're not just an animal. 22:41 No, we're not animals. 22:43 I used to tell the Russians this, 22:45 huge audiences and they love to hear this, 22:47 because I've been told Marxism is no god, 22:50 you're not an animal and you're not a machine. 22:53 And this is just a little aside when people think that 22:57 if you escape from God, and from the Bible, 22:59 it's going to be so good, 23:01 look at the Russian experiment... 23:03 Right. Of atheism. 23:06 The tens of millions who were put to death, 23:08 people don't like to talk about that. 23:09 Right. 23:11 But the tens of millions who were put to death 23:12 were people who'd given up on God and the Bible, 23:16 that in itself is a reason 23:17 to believe in God and the Bible. 23:21 Okay, we're not going too bad, Dr. Ross, you and I. 23:26 What's another big reason in the universe 23:31 that points to a Creator? 23:32 Let me give you one that's on planet earth. 23:35 We have to be living on a planet 23:36 during an ice age cycle, 23:38 where ice on the planet goes from 10% coverage 23:42 to about 23% coverage. 23:44 I wrote a book Improbable Planet saying, 23:46 that's the only kind of planet... 23:48 I wrote a little thing for it. 23:49 You did? Yeah. 23:51 Grateful for that. Yeah, great book. 23:53 Which was the only way 23:54 you can have billions of people on one planet, 23:57 and it's the only way those billions 23:58 can have the technology 24:00 where you can actually hear all this evidence 24:02 respond to this evidence, 24:04 and develop a relationship with the one 24:06 that did it all in the first place. 24:08 I want people to hear this from your lips. 24:12 What would you say to a young person 24:13 who's watching this program, 24:17 who's going to a place where the Bible is to write it, 24:21 what would you say to that young person 24:23 who feels like giving up his faith? 24:26 There's evidence out there, 24:28 and I know you want to ask questions. 24:31 We're here to answer your questions. 24:33 I actually answer all the questions 24:35 I get in Facebook and Twitter, 24:36 they can contact at reasons.org. 24:38 Yeah. 24:40 There are books, we're giving away 24:41 free chapters of our books at Reasons.org/Ross. 24:45 We want to start a relationship with you. 24:47 And, you know, 24:49 I was not raised in a Christian home, 24:50 and was science that brought me 24:52 to faith in Christ. 24:53 Fazale Rana was raised in an Islamic home, 24:56 but it was a study of the origin of life 24:58 that brought him to faith in Christ, 24:59 there is scientific evidences out there. 25:02 And, you know, you owe it to yourself 25:04 to check out the evidence. 25:08 Dr. Ross, you're one in a million, 25:11 or a billion, 25:12 we like these big figures, you know. 25:16 God has used you, we admire you, 25:19 and we respect you. 25:21 And we thank you today for coming 25:23 and sharing scientific reasons. 25:27 Why a thinking person can believe in God. 25:30 We thank you for coming today, 25:32 and we thank you for joining us today. 25:35 Please write to me and my name is John Carter, 25:39 The Carter Report and you can see our details 25:43 up here on the screen. 25:45 Also, contact Dr. Ross at Reasons to Believe, 25:50 and believe this. 25:52 You know, what Jesus said, believe this. 25:54 Jesus said, "You will know the truth 25:58 and the truth will make you free." 26:01 And so until next time, thank you for joining us, 26:04 and may God richly bless you and thank you. 26:09 You're welcome. 26:13 There is only one thing 26:15 that really counts in this lifetime, 26:17 your relationship to Christ. 26:20 And then if you have 26:21 a right relationship with Christ, 26:24 you want to tell people about Christ. 26:26 That's why Jesus said, "Go into all the world 26:29 and preach the gospel to every creature." 26:33 By the grace of God, we're going to do that. 26:36 We are doing that. 26:38 That is why we're going back to Cuba, 26:40 to this communist land, to preach Christ. 26:45 We're accepting an invitation 26:47 to go to the vast and huge city of Manila, 26:52 the capital of the Philippines been there before, 26:55 but by the grace of God, we're going back. 26:58 Please support us, please stand with us 27:02 in the preaching of the everlasting gospel. 27:05 You say, "How do you do it, who pays the bills?" 27:08 We do. 27:10 "Do you get any help, 27:11 financial help from the church?" 27:13 No, my friend, we don't, 27:15 but we get a lot of help from God and from His children. 27:19 Please support us in the preaching 27:22 of the everlasting gospel. 27:24 It's the most important work in all the world. 27:27 Everything else is almost trivia. 27:30 So would you please write to me, 27:34 John Carter, P.O. 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