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00:02 I'm John Carter in Moscow.
00:04 In Havana, Cuba. 00:07 Now in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. 00:10 I'm John Carter in Petra. 00:13 Right here in Communist China. 00:16 Reporting from India. 00:18 Hi, I'm John Carter in the Solomon Islands. 00:21 I'm John Carter in Soweto. 00:24 From El Salvador. 00:26 I'm John Carter in Sydney, Australia. 00:29 John Carter explores, 00:31 Our Liberties Threatened. 00:36 Welcome back to the Carter Report. 00:38 Our guest today is Attorney Alan Reinach. 00:42 And we're talking about religious liberty 00:45 threatened here in the United States of America. 00:49 Thank you for joining us. 00:50 Alan, it's our privilege and our pleasure 00:54 to have you with us today. 00:56 Now, you were talking in our last segment 00:59 about the mark of the beast, 01:01 which is a big threat in the last days. 01:04 Correct. 01:06 Can I just give you 01:07 and the audience a little scenario? 01:11 It's believed by most evangelicals 01:13 that the great time of trouble or the Great Tribulation 01:16 happens after the rapture. 01:19 All the saints go home to glory. 01:20 How convenient. 01:22 I mean... 01:23 Missed all the fireworks. 01:25 I mean, 01:27 it's extremely comforting. 01:30 I can't go along with it though because I can show texts 01:34 in the Bible in Matthew 24, 01:35 where Jesus talks about this Great Tribulation, 01:38 then He says, "After the tribulation 01:41 of those days, the sun's going to be darkened, 01:44 and the moon is not going to give us light, 01:46 the stars are going to fall from heaven, 01:48 then Jesus is going to come." 01:50 And so I believe that there's great time 01:53 of persecution is going to happen 01:56 before the return of Christ. 01:59 So, you know, John, many times 02:02 those of us who work in religious liberty, 02:05 we've been asked, "Why are we working 02:08 for religious liberty when we know persecution 02:10 has to come before Jesus comes?" 02:12 Yes. 02:13 "And after all, don't we want Jesus to come?" 02:15 Yes. 02:17 One of my colleagues, used to be, 02:20 who's from Switzerland, 02:21 he used to be fond of telling people, 02:23 "You know, brother, dear sister, 02:25 if you want the persecution to come before Jesus returns, 02:29 there are many fine countries I can recommend 02:31 to you right now. 02:33 You can have all the persecution you want." 02:36 Most of us don't know about this. 02:37 So we're here in America, 02:39 and we're really far removed from the fact that literally, 02:42 literally 80% of the global population lives 02:47 in nations with little or no religious freedom. 02:50 There is persecution of religious minorities, 02:52 Christians, Muslims, others in most countries of the world. 02:56 Name some of them. 02:58 Well, some of the worst offenders, 02:59 you know, for example, North Korea. 03:02 And Saudi Arabia. 03:04 The all across the Arab world. 03:06 No synagogues in Saudi Arabia. 03:08 Saudi Arabia is a big offender but throughout Pakistan, 03:12 you know, we just got the word 03:15 the Christian lady Asia Bibi was released after years 03:20 of being imprisoned for falsely accused 03:23 of blasphemy against the Prophet. 03:26 Blasphemy laws are a big problem. 03:29 In China, there's a re-education campaign, 03:34 complete with camps for one million weaker Muslims 03:38 in China. 03:40 A million of them? 03:41 And, yes, that's what the reports are. 03:44 And, you know, Chinese Christians 03:46 are being persecuted as well. 03:49 So I mean, talk about the big offenders. 03:54 We could go on and on. 03:55 Now, I've been to Russia 49 times and in Ukraine, 03:59 run lots of campaigns around. 04:01 You don't want to be a Jehovah's Witness 04:02 in Russia right now. 04:04 Tell us about the Jehovah Witnesses in Russia? 04:06 Well, they were literally outlawed 04:09 as an organization. 04:11 Recent reports, they're starting 04:13 to be arrested now. 04:14 They're viciously persecuted. Yes. 04:16 All of their churches or their buildings, 04:18 their kingdom halls illegally seized. 04:22 And many of their leaders thrown into prison 04:24 because they're Jehovah Witnesses. 04:27 Do you believe in the teachings of Jehovah Witnesses? 04:29 I'm not a Jehovah Witness, 04:32 I believe in their right to have their beliefs. 04:34 Absolutely. 04:35 And the right to promote their beliefs, 04:36 I don't have to agree with them. 04:38 Absolutely. 04:39 But in Russia, unfortunately, 04:42 today we see a tendency with Russia is going back 04:47 to the bad old days of the Soviet Union. 04:51 Well, you know, forgive me but President Trump's buddy, 04:56 Mr. Putin there, he is a former KGB Chief. 04:59 Yes, he is. 05:00 You know, what do you expect? 05:02 I know, what do you expect? 05:04 Let me read you this passage, Alan. 05:06 Out of the Apocalypse as you said rightly so, 05:10 written by a Jewish gentleman. 05:12 Yes, indeed. 05:13 So now let me read you something here. 05:17 In Revelation 13, you have a symbolic portrayal 05:21 of two beasts, 05:23 or two latter-day world powers. 05:26 The first one we won't go into but the second one says, 05:30 "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, 05:33 he had two horns like a lamb, spoke like a dragon." 05:37 This is a power that comes up very nice, 05:40 like a lamb that ends up speaking like a dragon. 05:44 This is not preached on too much today, Alan, 05:47 because it's too controversial. 05:49 Then it goes on to say, 05:51 "And he exercises all the authority 05:54 of the first beast in his presence." 05:56 The first beast was a union of church and state. 05:59 Yes, it was. 06:01 And a persecuting power. 06:02 Indeed. 06:04 "Causes the earth and those who dwell 06:06 in it to worship the first beast, 06:09 whose deadly wound was healed. 06:11 He performs great signs, 06:14 so that even makes fire come down from heaven 06:17 on the earth, in the sight of men." 06:19 Then it goes on to say this, 06:21 "And he deceives those who dwell on the earth 06:24 by those signs which he was granted to do 06:27 in the sight of the beast, 06:30 telling those who dwell on the earth." 06:32 Here it is, and listen to this, my friend, 06:35 "To make an image to the beast, 06:38 and image to the beast, 06:40 who was wounded by the sword and lived." 06:43 Now if I say to you, Alan, as I said in the first segment, 06:48 your son or your daughter, hey, 06:51 just the image of you, Alan. 06:53 Spitting image. 06:54 What does it mean? 06:56 Means he looks just like me. 06:57 And acts like you, 06:58 that's a scary thought, isn't it? 07:00 It is. 07:01 Listen, one of me is quite enough, 07:04 and one of you too for that matter, John. 07:08 This is why you and I get on so well together. 07:10 Yeah. 07:11 So the image of the beast is the copy... 07:14 The image of the beast is the copy of the beast. 07:19 And the beast was a union of church and state. 07:22 Well, the beast exercised all the authority 07:25 of both civil and religious authority. 07:28 And now the second beast will also become a mirror image 07:33 of the first one by exercising 07:36 not just secular civil authority, 07:38 like all nations do, 07:40 but religious authority as well. 07:42 Now, some of us believe 07:44 who've been studying these prophecies... 07:45 I've been studying these prophecies, 07:47 dare I tell you, for 60 years. 07:51 Now you could never guess that, I know that, Alan, 07:53 but I've been studying these prophecies 07:56 for a lifetime. 07:59 And we believe that this scenario is going 08:02 to happen right here 08:04 in the United States of America, 08:07 the bastion of freedom. 08:09 What was the genius 08:11 of the first amendment, attorney? 08:14 Well, I think it's portrayed symbolically here 08:17 in this passage where it talks about having two horns 08:22 like a lamb. 08:23 The lamb in scripture is a symbol of Jesus. 08:26 Yes. And mild, innocent. 08:29 And horns are a symbol of power. 08:33 So the symbolism of the United States 08:36 coming up as a nation with two horns like a lamb 08:40 is we have in our Constitution, two types of separation. 08:45 We have neither one of them is the phrases 08:49 are not used in the Constitution. 08:50 We don't have a phrase in the constitution 08:53 that says separation of powers. 08:55 But what the Constitution does 08:57 is divide power among Congress, 09:01 and the Supreme Court, and the presidency, 09:04 the executive branch, 09:05 so we have three branches of government. 09:07 We also have a division. 09:09 And it's a great system, isn't it? 09:11 When it works... 09:12 Yes, it's a great system. 09:13 Democracy is the worst form of government known to man, 09:17 except for every other one. 09:18 Saint Churchill. 09:19 Well, Churchill's pretty bright guy, 09:23 even if he was a Brit. 09:24 Yes. 09:26 And, of course, we also have separation between state, 09:29 and local government, and federal government. 09:32 Each has their sphere. 09:34 And the genius was preventing too much accumulation of power. 09:39 Now, we have had what's known as the imperial presidency 09:43 with too much accumulation of power under both 09:46 Republican and Democratic administration, so. 09:49 So there's enough blame to go around, isn't it? 09:51 It's certainly enough to go. 09:53 But when you talk about these two horns like a lamb, 09:56 it's not just the separation of civil authority, 10:00 it's also the separation of church and state, 10:03 which is not what the First Amendment says. 10:06 It's what the First Amendment does. 10:09 Just like the constitution doesn't say, 10:11 separation of powers but that's what it does. 10:14 So that's the genius of America, isn't it? 10:16 It is. Yes. 10:18 But I wanna point out one more thing, 10:19 this business of speaking like a dragon. 10:21 Yes. 10:23 Many who read this casually think, 10:25 "Oh, well, that's going to be in the future." 10:27 And it certainly will be. 10:29 But the text, 10:30 the tense of this passage, 10:34 in the Greek refers to action that began in the past, 10:38 it's imperfect, which means it was never completed, 10:41 it's continuing into the present 10:43 and on into the future. 10:45 So both the principles of the horns like a lamb 10:49 and the dragon speaking, 10:51 this has been the tension in our nation's history, 10:55 in our national life, 10:56 the tension between our aspirations 10:59 towards freedom are, 11:01 the equality of all human beings 11:05 has been largely aspirational. 11:08 And yet, we also have lots of things we could point to 11:12 that are dragon like in our history. 11:14 Let me ask you 11:15 what could be called a controversial question. 11:20 You'd never ask a controversial question, 11:23 so, got a character for you, John. 11:24 Not to a controversial attorney. 11:28 Do you see the image of the beast 11:33 being set up in America today? 11:34 Absolutely. 11:36 You really do? I do. 11:37 Look, I'm not talking... 11:39 And this is sort of a bombshell, 11:40 the image of the beast because this is the... 11:43 this is one of the last signs before the coming of Christ. 11:47 And it's a scary thing. 11:49 We understand the image of the beast to be a nation 11:53 that is exercising both civil and religious authority. 11:56 Yes. Okay. 11:58 So with the, you know, okay, 12:01 you've seen from this administration, 12:04 persistent criticism of the press, 12:07 of our major newspapers, etcetera... 12:10 Is it dangerous or is it true? And attacking the media. 12:13 Is it true though? 12:15 Doesn't the press deserve a lot of this? 12:17 I don't think so. 12:19 You don't think so? 12:20 The press is the fourth estate, 12:22 it is the institution that is supposed 12:24 to hold elected officials to fire. 12:27 But you and I know that the liberal press 12:29 in this country has done untold damage 12:32 to the Christian course. 12:35 The press is largely reflective of the views of the far left, 12:40 is that so? 12:41 I would not agree with that. 12:43 No, I'm asking you a question. 12:45 The press is secular. 12:47 Most of the reporters are unchurched. 12:51 And so they may not be, 12:53 you know, sympathetic to the church. 12:57 But that doesn't mean 12:58 that they're attacking the church. 12:59 No, no, but they have, 13:01 in my humble opinion shown a bias towards liberal courses. 13:04 I think the press works very hard 13:08 to tell it like it is. 13:10 They should, but they are as you say 13:13 they're being called what? 13:15 Enemies of the people. 13:17 Is that a new term? 13:19 No, it's not. 13:20 We heard the same thing during the 1930s in Germany, 13:25 didn't we? 13:26 I did some study on this last night knowing 13:28 that I'd be interviewing you, Alan. 13:32 And the term the enemy of the people even goes back 13:34 to the days of the French Revolution. 13:38 Not talking so much about the press, 13:40 but anybody who was seen as being in... 13:46 With a different viewpoint to the government. 13:49 And so in the days of the French Revolution, 13:50 anybody who was against the government 13:52 was an enemy of the people. 13:54 It was a term that was used by Hitler, 13:58 and the term that was used by Stalin, 14:01 and the term that was used by Lenin. 14:05 It's a little bit bad, isn't it, 14:07 that connotations? 14:08 If I may hear, 14:09 there is a twisting, when, 14:13 you know, in our Declaration of Independence, 14:17 we talk about... 14:19 Well, in the constitution we talk about we the people 14:22 in order to form a more perfect union. 14:24 You know, Lincoln's phrase government of, 14:27 by and for the people, 14:29 and people having God given inalienable rights, 14:33 and the role of government is to respect and to protect 14:37 the rights of the people, 14:40 then identify the government as the people. 14:45 So that if you are in opposition 14:48 to the government, 14:49 you're opposition to the people. 14:51 That's a complete distortion. 14:53 It is 180 degrees. Yes. 14:55 You know, the people are supposed to hold 14:57 the government to account. 14:59 Yes, not the other way around. Right. 15:01 I've just discovered a statement here. 15:03 I forgot and I had it. 15:05 Lenin said, 15:06 "All leaders of the Constitutional 15:09 Democratic Party..." 15:11 This was not the same as a democratic party in America, 15:14 I should point to that. Yes. 15:16 "All leaders of the Constitutional 15:18 Democratic Party, 15:21 a party filled with enemies of the people, 15:27 are hereby to be considered outlaws." 15:31 So the very term is an obnoxious term, 15:35 is it not? 15:36 And it's a dangerous term. 15:39 And what the people did there, Stalin did and Lenin did, 15:43 they imprisoned, and they executed people 15:47 who were the enemies of the people. 15:49 They were dissidents. 15:51 They were good people. 15:53 But you were asking me about the image of the beast. 15:56 Yes. 15:57 And where I was going with this was to suggest that 16:03 the danger is when the government starts 16:07 to assume to itself the right to choose among religions, 16:13 to favor one and to disfavor others. 16:17 Now, in our country, 16:20 we have decided that we will disfavor the Islamic religion 16:26 and we will restrict the rights of people of the Muslim faith 16:31 who want to come to this country, 16:33 even if they're married to American citizens. 16:37 And there have been number of them. 16:38 So that's really unconstitutional, isn't it? 16:41 Well, the courts are gonna have to ultimately decide on, 16:45 you know, that. 16:46 But it certainly, 16:47 I mean, we might as well cut off the head 16:49 of the Statue of Liberty 16:50 or send the whole thing back to France 16:52 because we've really changed our whole view 16:57 of what our nation is about, 16:59 instead of being a nation welcoming 17:02 the oppressed peoples of the world. 17:04 We're now saying, "No, we don't want you, 17:07 you're from toilet bowl countries, 17:09 and you don't have the same religion 17:11 or the same skin color that we do. 17:13 Go home." 17:14 Do you think it is 17:16 because of ignorance of what America stands for? 17:19 Do you think people have forgotten 17:20 about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights? 17:23 Do you think they've forgotten about persecution? 17:27 Because Americans were born and bred 17:30 in the concept of freedom of religion 17:33 because America came, America became America 17:36 to escape the first beast, the union of church and state. 17:40 There's always been a tension, John, in our country, 17:43 between the two principles, the freedom to believe as I do, 17:48 and the freedom to believe as you do. 17:50 Yes. 17:51 Now, the genius of our country 17:53 is extending freedom to everyone 17:55 to believe differently from one another, 17:58 but too many Americans... 18:01 Really, the dominant view of religious liberty 18:03 in this country is simply the freedom to believe as I do, 18:05 which is to say, "As long as you agree with me, 18:09 you know, I'll defend your right to be free. 18:12 But if you disagree with me, we don't want you here, 18:14 you know, we don't like your kind around here." 18:16 Now, I want to say to the great audience, 18:20 who is watching today, what Alan is saying, 18:24 is old fashioned American patriotism, in my opinion. 18:29 Thank you. 18:30 I think you're an American patriot. 18:32 I've been called worse. 18:36 Is it by me? No. 18:38 No, you're an American patriot. 18:42 Do you find yourself lonely these days? 18:46 Well, of course. 18:47 Of course? Yeah. 18:49 But you belong to a church that believes in these things 18:52 in the separation of church and state. 18:55 You belong to a church that says 18:57 that the church ought to stay out of the state, 18:59 and vice versa. 19:00 Separation of church and state in America 19:02 is a fundamentally Protestant idea. 19:05 It was championed by all of the Protestant churches 19:08 until segregation was removed by the Supreme Court. 19:15 And all of a sudden, 19:17 separation of church and state was attacked 19:20 because the churches started establishing private schools. 19:26 And instead of, you know, 19:27 wanting to deny public funding to the Catholic schools, 19:30 now, they wanted public funding for their own schools. 19:34 And that's because they're in, 19:36 they needed to have their own 19:37 segregated schools to be all white, 19:40 and they wanted government funds, 19:42 and so they started attacking the separation 19:45 of church and state. 19:46 It's been a radical transformation 19:48 of the Protestant ethos, 19:50 so that religious Christian conservatives today 19:53 have been fed a steady diet of propaganda 19:57 attacking the separation of church and state 20:00 for 30 or 40 years. 20:02 This is amazing, isn't it? 20:03 I mean, this is quite incredible. 20:05 Because when I was a boy growing up in Australia, 20:08 I was taught over and over again, 20:10 that America stood for the separation 20:12 of church and state. 20:13 We did. 20:15 You know, 20:16 and then we had the Bill of Rights, 20:18 which I memorized and the First Amendment, 20:20 and let me tell you something funny. 20:22 I've asked big congregations, 20:24 "Tell me about the First Amendment? 20:27 Is anybody here can say the First Amendment?" 20:31 In my congregations, 20:33 I couldn't find a single person. 20:35 High school students that have already had 20:38 some kind of government class, 20:40 they could tell me all the members 20:42 of The Simpsons family from the cartoon show on TV, 20:46 but they couldn't tell me what rights were protected 20:48 under the First Amendment. 20:50 And this is the great tragedy, isn't it? 20:51 It is. It is the tragedy of ignorance. 20:55 But I'm appealing today to the audience. 20:58 And I'm appealing to every person watching the program, 21:01 to stand up for America for what America used to stand for. 21:06 Our principles that we have all aspired to, 21:09 principles of freedom for all are powerful, 21:13 and they've been a beacon of light 21:15 to the nations of the world. 21:17 Yes. Are they so today? 21:20 Well, it's much more difficult, 21:22 as I've talked to human rights and religious freedom advocates 21:26 who work overseas. 21:29 When we have in America first foreign policy, 21:33 and when the rhetoric coming out of our country 21:36 is attacking other countries, 21:38 attacking people of other faiths, 21:40 attacking immigrants, 21:42 you know, it's simply inconsistent 21:44 with our advocacy of human rights and religious freedom. 21:47 It undermines our effectiveness. 21:48 I sometimes feel a very lonely person, Alan, 21:51 because I'm not on the left, and I'm not on the right. 21:55 I'm accused of being one or the other, but no, I'm not. 21:58 I'm accused of all sorts of things. 22:00 I don't belong to any political party. 22:02 Nor do I. 22:04 And I've been accused of this, no, you... 22:05 I was accused this weekend, you've got to take your stand, 22:09 and you've got to stand with these people. 22:12 I've said, "Well, I stand with Jesus. 22:15 I'm an independent, 22:17 I plan to staying independent." 22:20 I don't want to offend you, my dear friend, 22:23 and supporter of the Carter Report. 22:25 But I've got to be honest with you, 22:27 I don't want other people thinking for me. 22:31 I don't want to belong to a party 22:33 then I'm forced into this little groove. 22:35 And they tell you what to think and how to... 22:38 I reserve the right to sing for myself, 22:42 and to follow Christ, and not in that order. 22:46 And to follow Christ, and Jesus said, 22:48 didn't He say, "You will know the truth." 22:50 "And the truth shall set you free." 22:52 Yeah, a lot of people today are not free. 22:54 Lot of people are tied up, 22:55 and they can't think for themselves, 22:57 and they're simply thinking other people's thoughts, 23:01 and they're getting brainwashed. 23:03 And this is what concerns me. 23:06 Now it says here, 23:09 "He was granted power to give breath 23:11 to the image of the beast..." 23:12 It's the copy of church and state. 23:16 "That the image of the beast should both speak 23:18 and cause as many as would not" listening, 23:21 "would not worship 23:23 the image of the beast to be killed." 23:26 It says intolerance is going to become so strong in America 23:30 that people are going to be put to death 23:32 over the issue of the separation 23:34 of church and state, 23:35 and to whom is your allegiance? 23:38 Those who belong to God, who received the seal of God... 23:41 Yes. 23:43 And who do not worship the beast, 23:45 who are not in allegiance to the nation, 23:49 they're the ones who are going to be on the outs. 23:51 It says here, absolutely, Alan. 23:53 It says, "He causes all, both small and great, 23:56 rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark 24:00 on their right hand or on the foreheads, 24:03 and that no one may buy or sell except one 24:05 who has the mark of the beast." 24:09 So they're going to be a very big group of people, 24:12 aren't they? 24:13 Because they conformists, they go along with the crowd, 24:17 they go along, to get along. 24:20 Now, Alan, we're running out of time 24:23 and this has been a great program. 24:25 What you've said is, I think is tremendous. 24:28 And I urge the viewers 24:31 to think about what you've heard here today, 24:32 and to think for yourself. 24:36 Don't be a slave to any system. 24:39 Please write to me, John Carter, 24:41 P.O. 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