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00:01 Hello, friend. I'm John Carter.
00:03 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:05 We're talking today about Freedom of the Press 00:08 and Freedom of Religion. 00:10 My special guest is the champion of Americanism 00:14 and freedom, 00:16 Attorney Alan Reinach. 00:18 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:24 I'm John Carter in Moscow. 00:27 In Havana, Cuba. 00:29 Now in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. 00:33 I'm John Carter in Petra. 00:36 Right here in Communist China. 00:39 Reporting from India. 00:41 Hi, I'm John Carter in the Solomon Islands. 00:44 I'm John Carter in Soweto. 00:46 From El Salvador. 00:49 I'm John Carter in Sydney, Australia. 00:52 Pastor Carter explores "Freedom of Religion 00:54 and Freedom of the Press." 00:59 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 01:00 We're talking today about Freedom of Religion 01:03 and Freedom of the Press. 01:05 Should America become a theocracy? 01:09 Alan, tell me about the First Amendment? 01:10 You know, I was brought up in Australia, 01:12 so I don't know much about these things. 01:13 So you're an expert on this. 01:16 Tell me about the First Amendment? 01:18 Well, that's a rather broad question, John. 01:20 Yeah. 01:21 But I daresay most Americans today, 01:23 at least our kids can name more members 01:26 of The Simpsons television family 01:29 than they can the freedoms 01:30 that we have preserve in our First Amendment. 01:32 I use it slightly cynical. 01:35 No, I'm not cynical at all. 01:37 This is just reality. 01:39 So you're been, you're been factual. 01:40 And I daresay, I challenge our listeners, 01:42 how many First Amendment freedoms do you recall? 01:45 Well, that's why I'm asking you because, 01:47 you know, I was brought up in Australia. 01:49 I'm not skilled in these things like you are. 01:52 Freedom of the Press, Freedom of Religion. 01:55 So Freedom of Religion, we have two separate clauses, 01:58 no establishment of religion and free exercise. 02:00 Oh, don't go so fast. 02:02 What does that mean, no establishment of religion? 02:04 Okay. 02:05 Well, this is terminology that is foreign to us today. 02:10 When I was a kid, 02:12 there were some big words that we used to like to say, 02:15 you know, one of them was antidisestablishmentarianism. 02:18 Oh, goodness. 02:20 Now, nobody had any idea what it meant? 02:22 I didn't know until I got to college. 02:23 Did you understand? 02:24 No, I had no idea what it meant. 02:26 Do you understand it now? I do. 02:28 Because, you know, in colonial days, 02:31 it was a big movement to disestablish the church 02:35 because the churches were all established 02:38 in the sense that they were financed 02:41 and supported officially by law, by the government. 02:45 That's a bad idea. 02:46 Well, it is a bad idea. Yeah. 02:50 It's un-American now, isn't it? 02:52 The American way is to completely 02:54 disestablish the church 02:56 to have an independent religious sector 02:58 from the government sector. 03:01 So we have a healthy separation of church and state. 03:06 Should religion be kept out of government altogether? 03:09 No. 03:11 Don't you have a chaplain in the Senate, 03:13 in the Congress, and all this stuff? 03:14 So, you know, 03:16 our practices have not always been entirely consistent 03:20 with the theory of a complete disestablishment. 03:24 So yes, and the military presents 03:27 kind of a unique conundrum 03:29 because we have military chaplains, 03:32 who are not really free to answer only 03:35 to their own conscience and faith 03:38 because they're officers of the military, 03:40 they have to serve the government. 03:42 So it's, you know, 03:44 they're free to minister 03:45 to the spiritual needs of the soldiers. 03:49 But they're not free to advocate, for example, 03:53 a pacifist view of not taking up arms 03:56 and killing people, 03:58 they can't really preach too hard on "Thou shalt not kill." 04:01 No. 04:02 You know, so they're, you know, 04:04 they're in an interesting situation. 04:05 Only in America. 04:07 Now what about Freedom of the Press? 04:09 Do you think Freedom of the Press today 04:11 could be something serious? 04:16 Do you think it could be a serious challenge to it? 04:18 There are enormous threats to Freedom of the Press 04:21 because the press is so consistently mocked 04:24 and vilified. 04:25 So the mainstream, look, the mainstream needed... 04:27 Does it deserve it? 04:29 No, it absolutely doesn't. 04:31 It doesn't? No. 04:32 I think it does sometimes? 04:34 Well, the press obviously gets things wrong sometimes. 04:37 Yeah. Of course, they do. 04:39 They're human. Yeah. 04:40 You know, they try and... 04:42 Are they sometimes maliciously so? 04:45 Look, what I am seeing these days in social media 04:49 are that people are simply so propagandized, 04:54 that they dismiss anything the mainstream press 04:58 has to say simply 04:59 because of who the messenger is. 05:01 So it doesn't matter how factual CNN, 05:04 or NBC, or anybody else took parting 05:07 or the New York Times. 05:09 Did you say Fox? 05:10 Well, no, they believe everything that Fox reports, 05:14 you know. 05:15 What side are we talking about here today? 05:16 We have government apply, help apply for Rupert Murdoch. 05:19 Rupert Murdoch owns Fox, and he has... 05:24 Look, he is the one behind Brexit. 05:26 But he's a great Australian. 05:28 Did you know that? 05:30 Did you know that? I'm asking you this. 05:31 I knew he was Australian, 05:32 whether you want to say he's great or not, 05:34 is open to question, but he is very powerful. 05:39 Some people say he's at least the second most powerful man 05:45 in America. 05:46 Yeah, that's... 05:48 They say, he calls to president every day. 05:50 I don't know about a personal relationship... 05:52 Yeah, they talk about cricket, and football, and those things, 05:55 that's what they talk about, I'm sure. 05:56 Look, Fox News has become, in essence, 06:00 the official press organ of the American government, 06:05 of the White House, 06:06 their relationship is so cozy. 06:09 It's kind of like what, 06:10 you know, the Soviet media was during the Soviet Union era. 06:13 Oh, not as bad as that. 06:15 Pretty much the same. 06:17 You know, the Soviet era was a totalitarian system. 06:21 And even though the American system 06:23 may have to the casual viewer, 06:26 one or two slight blemishes, 06:28 it's not nearly as bad as the old Soviet Union, is it? 06:31 Okay. 06:33 But just see the difference here is that 06:34 we do have other media besides Fox. 06:38 Yes, we do. 06:39 Okay, so the comparison between Fox and the Soviet era, 06:43 I think is apropos. 06:45 The fact is, we have left wing media 06:47 and we have mainstream media as well. 06:50 Before I dig a hole too deep, 06:52 let me go to another question here. 06:56 Revelation 13 talks about a coming time of persecution? 07:03 Yes, it does. 07:04 Now, if you don't mind, 07:06 I'm going to read you the text in Revelation 13, 14, and 15. 07:12 And I hope my viewing audience is enjoying the program today. 07:17 And if you've just joined us, this is the Carter Report 07:20 and my guest is great defender of freedom, Alan Reinach. 07:25 Here we go, Alan. 07:27 Let me see if I can get you this text, 07:28 Revelation 13, 14, and 15, 07:30 "And he deceives those who dwell on the earth 07:33 by those signs 07:35 which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast." 07:39 Now, the beast, most people say is the antichrist 07:43 or something like that. 07:45 "Telling those who dwell on the earth 07:47 to make an image to the beast 07:51 who was wounded by the sword and lived. 07:53 He was granted power to give breath 07:55 to the image of the beast, 07:57 that the image of the beast should both speak 07:59 and cause as many as would not worship 08:02 the image of the beast to be killed." 08:04 Now, 08:07 many, many theologians have seen the beast 08:10 as the union of church and state. 08:12 Well, the historic Protestant view is that the beast 08:17 that was wounded by the sword and yet lived 08:20 was the Roman Catholic Church. 08:23 That's the Protestant view. 08:24 And we're not talking today about anybody living today 08:27 right now but... 08:28 Correct. 08:30 But the beast power, they said, was the coalition of church 08:33 and state in the Dark Ages... 08:35 Correct. 08:36 Which persecuted millions of people. 08:38 It did. Yeah. 08:39 Many believe and I believe 08:41 that the image of the beast is the copy of that system 08:44 that existed in the Dark Ages, 08:46 where you have a theocracy today. 08:48 So what it's describing is really a revival 08:51 of something like the Inquisition, 08:54 which was the instrument of persecution 08:57 of religious dissenters. 09:00 Do you think everybody knows about the Inquisition? 09:03 Do you know about the Inquisition, my friend, 09:04 watching the Carter Report? 09:06 What's the Inquisition? 09:07 I hope so. Well... 09:09 Not by personal experience, I hope, Alan. 09:10 No, no, no, no. 09:12 But the Inquisition 09:14 was an instrument of the church 09:16 during the Dark Ages to essentially 09:20 try to convert heretics by force. 09:23 Yes. 09:24 The theory was that 09:25 it was okay to destroy the body 09:27 in the hopes of saving the soul. 09:29 And there were instruments of torture used 09:32 to try to coerce people to faith in the church. 09:38 You and I may have possibly been victims 09:41 of the Inquisition. 09:43 Alan, if we lived 500 years ago? 09:45 Well, you know, I'm not likely to conform 09:48 to any majority if you're... 09:50 I've noticed this. 09:51 You are a very strong willed young man. 09:53 Young, I like the sound of that. 09:55 Yes, yes. 09:56 We're trying to give compliments out here today, 09:58 if anybody calls me a young man, I kiss him. 10:00 Now... 10:02 I'll be sure not to do so, John. 10:03 Do you see unsettling events happening in the world today 10:09 that could bring about this 10:11 diabolical religious union of church and state? 10:15 Well, of course. 10:16 And, you know, as I've said... Of course. 10:18 Look, the greatest threats to religious freedom 10:22 are fundamentalism and nationalism. 10:25 And you have both of those impulses raging 10:29 in the United States today. 10:31 Both fundamentalism and nationalism. 10:33 Do you think you do or is this you... 10:37 Pardon my saying because 10:40 you're a distinguished attorney, 10:42 and you know more about religious liberty 10:44 than just about anybody I want, more than anybody I know. 10:48 And I watch a bit of television, 10:50 I don't see anybody who knows as much as you do on this. 10:53 Do you really think 10:54 we have a flourishing of fundamentalism, 10:58 right-wing religion? 10:59 Yes, we certainly do. 11:01 It's not the fundamentalism of a century ago 11:07 which was much more orthodox, 11:11 if I can use that terminology in its theology, 11:14 because today's brand of religious enthusiasm 11:19 is littered with heresy. 11:22 And ignorance. Yes, it is. 11:24 This is true, ignorance. 11:26 Yes. Yeah. 11:27 You know, for example. 11:28 The less you know, the louder you shout. 11:30 We had an economic collapse in this country a decade ago. 11:33 Yes. 11:34 And a lot of fingers were pointed at greed 11:36 on Wall Street and appropriately so. 11:38 Yes, appropriately so. Absolutely. 11:40 But what we missed was the fact that, 11:42 you know, somebody was taking out these ridiculous mortgages 11:47 that led to the packaging of mortgages 11:51 and the collapse of the economy. 11:53 And they were egged on by preachers 11:55 in mega churches around the country... 11:58 Astounding. 11:59 Teaching people that 12:01 it was God's will for them to be rich. 12:03 And if they only had faith, 12:05 they would have bigger houses and nicer cars... 12:08 The prosperity gospel. 12:09 Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. 12:11 Right. 12:13 Which, you know, sounds great 12:14 except that the flip side of it is if you're struggling, 12:18 if you're sick, if you have cancer, 12:21 it's because God's not blessing you 12:24 and your eternal destiny is at risk. 12:28 The prosperity gospel is the very opposite 12:31 of the true Gospel of Christ. 12:33 Jesus said, "Blessed are the poor in spirit." 12:34 Yes. 12:36 He didn't say, blessed are the wealthy. 12:38 Let me move on to this. 12:40 And so you do see thunder clouds, 12:44 you do hear the flashes of, 12:48 you see the flashes of the lightning. 12:49 Religious intolerance is dominant 12:53 throughout both the Western world 12:55 and the rest of the world. 12:56 And it's getting worse, isn't it? 12:58 It is getting worse. 12:59 You know, everyone recognizes how polarized our nation is. 13:02 And we see this in all these terrible killings, 13:05 these killings in synagogues, and mosques, 13:09 and even churches. 13:10 But, you know, to be fair, John, 13:11 it's often been said that the Pharisees and Sadducees 13:15 representing the right and the left of their day 13:18 agreed on little else 13:19 than the necessity of crucifying Christ. 13:21 Yes. 13:23 Well, the same is likely to be repeated 13:25 in the prophecy that you read, 13:27 where the religious intolerance 13:29 that forms an image of the beast 13:30 and causes all who do not worship 13:33 the beast to be killed, 13:34 is likely to be endorsed 13:36 by both the right and the left. 13:39 It is my conviction 13:40 as an old pastor and preacher of the gospel 13:43 for almost 60 years 13:46 that the greatest threat to freedom 13:48 is old fashioned ignorance. 13:52 As somebody said, 13:53 "Don't impute malice, 13:55 when old fashioned stupidity will do." 13:58 And a lot of folks 14:00 just don't have any idea of history 14:02 or of Bible prophecy. 14:04 They don't know what's going on. 14:06 Now, we're not saying, 14:08 we're not suggesting there's a parallel 14:10 between what happened in Nazi Germany 14:13 and anything that's happening today in the world. 14:18 But you are a Jewish brother from New York City? 14:21 I am. 14:23 And you happen to believe in Jesus? 14:25 Yes, I do. Yes. 14:27 What happened in Germany during the 1930s, 14:32 and then the 1940s 14:34 with the rise of the Third Reich? 14:37 What happened to the Jewish people? 14:39 Well, they were sent to camps and gassed by the millions. 14:42 How many? 14:44 Six million. Six million. 14:46 Some people deny that today. 14:48 You know, when you go to the Holocaust Museum 14:51 in Washington, DC. 14:53 One of the exhibits there, 14:56 that really was so emotionally moving for me 15:02 was to see hair. 15:05 Dreadful. 15:06 Human hair that was bundled into bales, 15:11 like bales of hay 15:13 and used for commercial purposes. 15:15 They were harvesting hair... 15:18 Can you believe it? For commerce. 15:20 Yeah. Can you believe it? 15:22 And this is what human beings. 15:25 This is how inhumane they had become 15:29 in their conduct to regard... 15:31 Why did Hitler become so popular though? 15:33 You know, there are lessons for today 15:37 because we have the growing rise of intolerance 15:42 around the world. 15:44 And there's a certain sort of sequence 15:48 that we witnessed in Germany, 15:50 it didn't start with the camps and with the gas chambers. 15:55 It started with demonizing and scapegoating Jews 15:59 for the economic troubles and the social troubles. 16:03 You know, Germany in the 20s was, 16:06 you know, Berlin was a place of great decadence. 16:09 Yes, it was. It was the Jazz era. 16:11 And, you know, homosexuality was very public in Berlin. 16:16 And so Hitler... 16:17 And we're not against homosexuals. 16:19 Jesus died to save everybody. Absolutely. Yes, He did. 16:22 So let's just be clear on this, 16:24 regardless of what we believe about, 16:28 you know, what is proper sexual conduct? 16:31 Jesus died to save every human being, 16:34 that's the gospel, right? 16:36 So the sequence began with scapegoating the Jews 16:42 and blaming them for the immorality, 16:45 and the decadence, 16:46 and the economic and social troubles of the nation. 16:50 And today, 16:52 we see a lot of demonizing of immigrants 16:55 and Muslims in America. 16:57 Well, scapegoating and demonizing has led 17:00 to attacks here and there, 17:03 such as in Christ church, New Zealand. 17:05 Yes, outrageous, it's terrible. 17:08 If it keeps going, 17:11 the sequence becomes violence 17:13 and increasing violence 17:15 and even organized violence. 17:17 And what about hate speech? 17:18 Is there more hate speech today? 17:21 Hate speech is definitely a problem. 17:23 But remember, we protect speech in this country, 17:26 we don't punish people 17:27 for expressing hateful thoughts. 17:30 It may be protected, but it's not right, is it? 17:32 No, it's... 17:34 Well, there's a difference between what's legal 17:35 and what's moral. 17:36 Of course. 17:38 Now back in the days of Germany, 17:41 when the Jews were being persecuted, 17:44 and other minority groups were being persecuted. 17:49 Of course, all the Christians 17:50 ran to the side of the Jews, didn't they? 17:53 All the Christians turned against Hitler, 17:56 and they opposed him. 17:57 You know, that would be a very nice 18:00 alternative view of history. 18:01 There was a TV show that had a version of, 18:05 you know, the outcome of the war 18:07 where Germany won and conquered America. 18:09 That was very, very interesting show, 18:12 but no, 80% of Lutherans in Germany 18:17 supported the Nazi regime. 18:19 I'm told and your figures would probably be 18:22 more accurate than mine. 18:23 But I'm told that in Germany 18:27 95% of the people supported Hitler, 18:31 95% went along with Hitler, 18:33 only a very tiny minority opposed Hitler. 18:36 I don't know the percentages, 18:38 but the vast majority of Roman Catholics, 18:41 and Lutherans, 18:43 and other Protestants shouted Sieg Heil 18:46 and turned against the Jews. 18:48 This is true. 18:49 The majority of the Lutherans 18:51 who were professed believers in the Gospel of Christ. 18:56 Why did they do this? 18:58 Why would people do this? 19:01 Hitler promised to make Germany great again. 19:06 They had gone through a time of hyperinflation, 19:10 and terrible ills. 19:12 They suffered a huge blow 19:16 to the national pride by losing the World War I. 19:19 Terrible things happen to them. 19:21 And so the promise to make Germany great again, 19:24 to deal with the decadence 19:27 and restore Germany's greatness 19:30 that had considerable appeal. 19:33 Alan, what is scary to me is this. 19:36 That here you had the most educated people 19:38 probably on the face of the earth. 19:40 They gave us the great theologians 19:42 and the great philosophers. 19:44 Theologians helped us, 19:45 the philosophers didn't help the world. 19:48 But Germany had great music, 19:50 great school, great medicine... 19:54 A great Christian civilization. 19:57 Probably, 19:59 if you leave Great Britain out of it, 20:03 at least in Europe, 20:04 the two greatest powers were Britain and Germany. 20:08 Okay. 20:09 And some would say that Germany was ahead 20:11 with the philosophers and all the rest of it. 20:15 So you have all these people who are intensely educated, 20:20 they're smart people, 20:23 they're cultured people. 20:27 And they committed the crime of the millennium, 20:32 you know, the century of our millennium. 20:35 And they marched teams in step and they shouted Sieg Heil, 20:39 and they gave the disgusting salute. 20:42 And they turn their backs and they left 6 million Jews 20:46 go to the gas chambers in worst places. 20:49 Well, they didn't just let, they... 20:51 They did it. They did it. 20:52 They did it. Yeah. Yeah. 20:55 And I would suggest to the people 20:56 who are watching this program, 20:58 that one of the biggest problems 21:00 was their ignorance. 21:03 They seem to be ignorant on what they were doing even. 21:08 And so I think that ignorance is one of the greatest blights 21:13 in the world. 21:14 And I think we have 21:15 a tremendous amount of ignorance today 21:19 in the Western world, including America, 21:22 as far as liberty and freedom, 21:24 and all these things are concerned. 21:26 The intolerance that was displayed 21:29 in Germany certainly 21:30 can be chalked up to a nationalistic fervor. 21:35 Yes, nationalism. 21:36 And nationalism is certainly a very powerful force 21:40 in America today. 21:42 They sang a hymn, 21:44 they sang the national anthem, 21:45 which was set to the tune of a hymn, 21:48 it were Germany overall. 21:51 Let me ask you this. 21:54 Your answers, of course, are completely accurate. 21:57 And they're right, what you're saying is right. 22:00 And people say, I don't like hearing this, 22:02 well, then they need to think through their, 22:04 their thought processes, 22:06 and say, am I prepared to follow the truth 22:10 that Jesus said, you'll know the truth, 22:12 and the truth will make you free. 22:13 So we need to put aside our preconceived ideas, 22:16 and by the grace of God, believe in the truth. 22:20 This is a tough one. 22:22 I think the left wing movement, 22:24 the extreme left wing movement in America, 22:29 I was going to say was a curse. 22:30 And I don't think it's too strong. 22:34 Intolerance, 22:35 throwing out American values, 22:38 throwing out Christian values, 22:40 persecuting those that think differently to them. 22:45 But the right-wing, it seems to this pilgrim, 22:49 the extreme right-wing in America 22:52 is just as bad as the extreme left-wing. 22:57 And my question is this. 22:58 Are right-wing Christians today 23:02 the betraying the Gospel of Christ, 23:05 have they lost their spiritual authority, 23:08 because of their involvement, their immersion in politics? 23:13 Let me answer that question with a reference to Jesus 23:17 final discussion with the disciples 23:20 before His ascension to heaven. 23:23 They asked Him, 23:24 "Lord, is it this time 23:26 that You will establish the kingdom?" 23:29 And Jesus understood that 23:31 what they were really asking was, 23:32 hey, do I get to sit on your right hand 23:34 and your left hand now? 23:36 And, you know, we're just dying for power. 23:39 And Jesus said, 23:42 "The authority to rule belongs to the Father. 23:46 That's not for you." Yeah. 23:48 He said, "But you will receive a different kind of power, 23:52 said you will receive power 23:53 when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. 23:56 And you'll be my witnesses in Judea, Samaria, 23:58 and to the uttermost parts the world." 24:00 The problem that we have 24:01 in the American church today, John, 24:03 is that there is the pursuit of political power, 24:07 in the Greek it's the exousia 24:09 and the forsaking of the dunamis, 24:12 the dynamite power of the Holy Spirit. 24:14 Which is the setting up of the image of the beast? 24:16 Right. 24:18 The church is not to pursue spiritual goals 24:22 through seeking political power. 24:23 That's a formula for persecution. 24:26 It cannot end well. 24:27 But we've got very, very bad memories. 24:30 And we don't remember the Dark Ages 24:32 or any of those things. 24:35 It is my personal belief 24:37 that a minister of the gospel needs to stay out of politics 24:40 and preach the Gospel of Christ. 24:44 Countries are turned upwards 24:47 when they're turned towards God. 24:50 We don't accomplish a great deal 24:53 by trying to enforce morality 24:56 through laws and legislation. 24:59 Let me ask you this 25:00 because we're coming to a close of this program. 25:03 And I am glad that you've joined us 25:05 and it's been a privilege for you to have with us. 25:08 If you were to have, 25:11 and you're going to have it. 25:12 If you're going to have a final word of advice 25:16 to Christians today, 25:17 what would you say to them? 25:19 I would say, 25:20 seek the power of the Holy Spirit, 25:23 not the power of government, 25:25 and learn the lesson of Jesus judgment parable 25:29 in Matthew 25, 25:31 to see in the least of these my brothers and sisters, 25:34 to see Jesus. 25:36 To learn to see Jesus instead of demonizing 25:39 and make and seeing people as enemies, 25:42 see them as Jesus. 25:44 And, of course, 25:45 that is the Christian viewpoint. 25:47 That is the biblical viewpoint. 25:51 And it's mine too. 25:52 And I thank you so much, Alan. 25:54 It's been my privilege and honor 25:55 to have you with us today at the Carter Report. 25:58 And it's been our privilege to have you join us today. 26:01 Please write to me, John Carter, P.O. 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