Participants:
Series Code: CR
Program Code: CR001917A
|
00:01 Hello, friend, I'm John Carter.
00:03 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:05 Our topic today is Faith and Science. 00:10 Can you believe both? 00:12 My special guest is from Reasons to Believe, 00:15 Dr. Fazale Rana. 00:17 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:24 I'm John Carter in Moscow. 00:27 In Havana, Cuba. 00:29 Now in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. 00:33 I'm John Carter in Petra. 00:36 Right here in Communist China. 00:39 Reporting from India. 00:41 Hi, I'm John Carter in the Solomon Islands. 00:44 I'm John Carter in Soweto. 00:46 From El Salvador. 00:48 I'm John Carter in Sydney, Australia. 00:52 John Carter brings together Faith and Science. 00:59 With us today is Dr. Fazale Rana 01:02 who comes to us 01:03 from that great Christian organization, 01:05 scientific organization, 01:08 Reasons to Believe. 01:11 They believe that faith and science are compatible. 01:16 Would you believe it? 01:17 Dr. Rana, welcome today. 01:19 Thank you so much for having me. 01:21 It's a pleasure to be here. 01:23 It's wonderful to have you with us. 01:26 Our time that we've spent with the people 01:28 from Reasons to Believe 01:30 has been some of the best experiences 01:33 we've ever, ever enjoyed. 01:37 You people believe that faith and science are compatible. 01:40 That's right. 01:42 And it all is based on what Scripture teaches us. 01:45 Because the Bible tells us 01:47 that God has revealed Himself to us 01:49 through the record of nature, 01:51 and if science is the study of nature, 01:54 if it's the study of creation, 01:56 then we would expect to see pointers to our Creator 02:00 in scientific discovery. 02:02 Now, you know, a little about Richard Dawkins, don't you? 02:04 Yeah. 02:05 He's the great British guy from Oxford University, 02:10 who is a great scientist 02:12 and a great atheist. 02:15 He wrote the book, 02:17 "The God Delusion," 02:19 and also the book, 02:21 "The Blind Watchmaker," 02:23 if I got it right, The Blind Watchmaker. 02:25 That's right. 02:27 And he says that everything that appears was made 02:29 by not just by the watchmaker, 02:32 but by the blind watchmaker. 02:35 So everything that we see 02:37 is the product of time plus matter plus chance. 02:42 Have I got it right? That's right. 02:43 Okay. 02:45 Here's a question, doctor. 02:47 You're a Christian and a biochemist. 02:50 So you're a scientist. 02:53 Is faith and science compatible? 02:56 But Dawkins says, "No," The Blind Watchmaker. 02:59 Well, faith and science are compatible. 03:02 And it's not just me who says that, 03:05 as a Christian and a scientist, 03:07 I'm not an oddity, at least not an oddity 03:10 because I believe in science and in the Christian faith. 03:13 At least that's not the reason. 03:15 That's right. 03:16 But, you know, it's interesting. 03:17 There was a pew survey published a few years ago now, 03:21 that showed over 30% of scientists 03:24 in the United States believe in a personal God, 03:27 believe in a Creator. 03:29 How many? What's the percent? 03:30 Over 30%... Over 30%, about a third. 03:32 Yeah. Yeah. 03:33 So that's saying something rather significant... 03:34 Yes, it is. Yes, it is. 03:36 That you can be a person of science 03:38 and a person of faith 03:40 and that your life can harmonize 03:42 around those two ideas. 03:45 Dawkins and, you know, 03:46 he is a quite an aggressive atheist. 03:49 You've heard him, I've heard him and his debates 03:51 with Professor John Lennox. 03:55 He makes some very, very powerful assertions 03:59 and he mocks those people who've got faith. 04:02 He say, you know, you've got faith. 04:04 I've got science. 04:05 But if you ask him the question, 04:07 do you believe in all of these things that you do? 04:09 He says, "Yes, I believe them." 04:12 So that means he's really a very religious man. 04:17 Yes. Would you say that? 04:18 I would. 04:19 I mean, at the end of the day, we all have faith, 04:21 regardless of our worldview. 04:23 Faith in something. Faith in something. 04:25 And so if you are a Christian, then you have faith 04:27 that a Creator exist 04:29 and is responsible for the world 04:31 that we see. 04:33 If you are an atheist, you will, you have faith, 04:36 that mechanism, that blind unguided mechanism 04:40 somehow explains the universe and life within the universe. 04:45 And so everybody has faith. 04:47 It's just a question, 04:48 whose faith is best supported by the evidence at hand? 04:52 Say that again, 04:54 whose faith is best supported by the evidence at hand? 04:58 So you believe in a faith that is supported by evidence? 05:02 Yes, I do. 05:03 Did you get this? 05:05 Faith supported, say it again? 05:07 Faith supported by the evidence at hand. 05:10 You know, and to me, you know, 05:14 the biblical view of faith 05:15 is not just blindly believing that God exists. 05:19 Well, some people think it is, though. 05:20 Yes. 05:22 But that's not the biblical concept of faith. 05:23 The biblical concept of faith is that 05:26 there are reasons that undergird 05:28 the leap of faith that we take, 05:30 that faith is an act of trust, 05:32 but we trust because we have reasons to believe, 05:35 we have reasons to think 05:38 that placing our faith in Christ 05:40 or in God's existence has merit. 05:44 Doctor, I was watching a television program, 05:47 a big religious program, 05:49 and it showed a huge gathering here in a big church, 05:52 a super church in North America. 05:54 And the question was postulated, 05:57 why we believe in the resurrection of Christ? 06:00 And they asked this charismatic, 06:02 young American pastor, " 06:04 Why do you believe in the resurrection of Christ?" 06:07 And he got up and he went to the microphone 06:09 and to thunderous applause, he made the statement, 06:13 "I believe in the resurrection of Christ 06:16 because of my faith." 06:18 Everybody... 06:21 I thought part of my saying, 06:22 and I thought that was about the most inappropriate answer 06:24 a person could ever give. 06:26 Yeah. Yeah. 06:27 Because I believe in the resurrection of Christ 06:29 not because of blind faith, 06:32 I believe in the resurrection of Christ because it happened. 06:34 Yeah. 06:36 And I believe that there's evidence that it happened. 06:38 Right. 06:39 We know... 06:41 Hundreds of eyewitnesses. Yeah. 06:43 And some of them wrote it down. 06:45 The evidence is strong as is used in any court today. 06:50 Eyewitness evidence also. 06:53 Other evidence, what happened to the body, 06:55 he was the body and what happened to the body? 07:00 The only solution to that question 07:02 is that the body got resurrected 07:04 and came out of the grave. 07:06 And, you know, many of these arguments. 07:08 Yes. 07:09 But with you and I say 07:10 to the television audience today, 07:12 we do not believe in faith, in faith. 07:17 We don't believe in blind faith, 07:19 we believe in a faith 07:22 that is based upon hard scientific fact. 07:25 That's right. 07:26 And the bottom line is that 07:27 the scientific evidence shows us 07:30 that the universe had a beginning. 07:31 And this is exactly what we see in Genesis 1:1, 07:35 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 07:38 We see design in the universe. 07:40 But tell me the scientific evidence for a beginning? 07:43 Well, for example, there's something called 07:47 the cosmic background radiation. 07:49 Yes. 07:51 And that radiation is the leftover radiation 07:54 from the beginning of the universe, 07:55 from the event that brought the universe 07:57 into existence. 07:59 And so that would be just one example. 08:00 In fact, there's even ripples in that radiation 08:06 that are exactly what you would predict 08:08 if indeed the universe had a beginning. 08:10 So that would be an example of some of the hard evidence 08:12 that indicates the universe had a beginning. 08:14 Or if it had a beginning, 08:16 there must be something outside of universe... 08:17 There must be a beginner. 08:19 That caused that, exactly. 08:21 Or when we look at the universe, 08:22 we see design or when we look in biological systems, 08:25 we see design. 08:27 Design comes from a designer. 08:30 And so these are just two... 08:32 That's reasonable, isn't it? Yes. 08:33 These are just two broad categories of evidences 08:36 that we could use to say that a Creator is real. 08:39 Is it not true that for many, many, many years, 08:43 the great scientists in the world 08:45 did not believe in a beginning of the universe, 08:48 but that in fact, they believed in the steady-state? 08:51 That's right. 08:52 What was the steady-state theory? 08:54 It was the idea that the universe was eternal. 08:57 That was infinite and extent. Yeah. 09:00 Yeah, and that it had all, it's a brute reality 09:02 it always had been here. 09:04 And Einstein once even believed this... 09:06 Yes. Yes. 09:07 Because he reflected the thinking of virtually 09:10 all of the scientists. 09:11 And interestingly enough, 09:13 Einstein's theory of general relativity indicated 09:16 that the universe must have a beginning. 09:18 But he couldn't believe it. He couldn't believe it. 09:19 So he put in a fudge factor into his equations 09:22 to prevent the universe from having a beginning 09:25 and called it his greatest blunder 09:26 as a scientist 09:28 because Edwin Hubble showed clearly 09:30 that the universe was expanding from a beginning. 09:33 Yes. 09:34 And so for many, many years, the world's great scientists, 09:37 including Albert Einstein believed 09:39 in the steady-state theory 09:40 that the universe had always existed. 09:43 Yep. 09:44 And yet there was an annoying little text over here 09:48 in Genesis that said, 09:50 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 09:54 Why are we certain... 09:57 What is some of the scientific evidence 09:59 to support the idea 10:02 that is called today by every scientist, 10:04 they call it the Big Bang. 10:06 Yeah. 10:07 Now some Christians are turned up 10:09 by the terminology, the Big Bang, 10:10 but they don't need to be worried about that. 10:12 When scientists talk about the Big Bang, 10:13 they're talking about a time 10:15 when there was nothing, then all of a sudden 10:17 there was everything. 10:18 Give me some more of the evidence 10:19 for the Big Bang 10:21 for the point of cosmic creation 10:22 that we believe today? 10:24 Well, the classic evidence 10:25 is that the universe is expanding, 10:27 and that the further an object is away from us, 10:30 the faster it's expanding. 10:31 Now, tell me more about this? 10:33 So and so, well, the idea 10:34 is that if think of the universe 10:36 as if it was like a grenade exploding. 10:38 Yes. 10:40 If a grenade explodes, if you stop that explosion 10:42 at a point in time, 10:43 you would see that the shrapnel was at different distances 10:47 from the point of the explosion, 10:49 or the shrapnel that's the furthest away 10:53 is flying at a faster rate 10:54 than the shrapnel that's closer to the point of the explosion. 10:57 Yeah. 10:59 And this is exactly what the universe looks like, 11:01 the objects that are further away 11:03 are accelerating away from us faster and faster. 11:06 The objects that are closer are moving at a slower rate. 11:11 And so when you run it all the universe 11:12 backward in time, 11:14 you wind up with this point, 11:16 this beginning that suggests the universe wasn't infinite 11:19 and eternal, but it recently came into existence. 11:23 And so this is, again, shocking 11:26 when this was discovered this was shocking 11:28 to the scientific community. 11:31 They said they were afraid of it 11:32 because of the theological implications. 11:34 Yes. Yes. 11:37 That's almost sounded a little bit 11:39 like religious prejudice. 11:40 Yes. 11:42 We can't accept this scientific idea 11:43 because it's against our preconceived ideas. 11:47 All right, the universe had a beginning. 11:48 That is a fact. We know when it took place. 11:51 And we have a ton of evidence to believe it. 11:54 This is not faith. 11:56 We have a ton of evidence to believe it. 11:58 It is scientific, the universe had a beginning. 12:00 Genesis 1:1, is absolutely true, 12:03 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 12:05 Dawkins says, Doctor, 12:09 "That you can't believe in God today 12:11 because of recent scientific discoveries." 12:15 To me I would say that 12:18 recent scientific discoveries make disbelief in God 12:21 impossible not make belief in God impossible. 12:25 So to me that the scientific evidence screams 12:28 that there must be a Creator. 12:31 And to me that I think the most compelling evidence 12:36 and I'm biased, of course, because I'm a biochemist 12:38 comes from the arena of biochemistry. 12:40 Yes. 12:41 You know, the molecules that make up living systems, 12:43 the molecules that are found inside the cell, 12:46 those systems to me, 12:48 just scream design, 12:50 scream the handiwork of a Creator. 12:53 I want you to talk to me about this 12:54 because, you know, I've read some of your books, 12:57 and I've been blessed by your books, 12:59 and I greatly appreciate the work of reasons to believe 13:03 because they're bringing forth scientific evidence 13:07 so that a thinking honest person 13:09 can believe in God. 13:12 You folks don't say to people, 13:14 we want you to take 13:15 the existential leap of faith and just believe. 13:18 You're saying, here we got the real, 13:20 here we got the evidence. 13:23 Tell me some of the evidence from the world of biochemistry, 13:29 from the world of biology, 13:32 you know, I don't know anything about this. 13:34 And I think some of the folks who are watching the program 13:36 won't know much about it either at right now, 13:38 but they're going to know a lot about it 13:40 after listening to you. 13:41 Yeah. Yeah. 13:43 And tell us about the world 13:44 of the cell and all of this stuff? 13:45 Well, I mean, yeah, the one way to think 13:47 about the cell is like, it's like a very large city 13:50 where there's all kinds of activities 13:52 taking place inside the cell. 13:54 How big is the cell? 13:56 Well, it depends on the type of cell that you're looking at, 13:59 the smallest cells would be on the order 14:01 of about one micron, 14:03 that would be about one millionth of a meter. 14:06 And some larger cells would be 14:09 on the order of 100 microns or so. 14:12 So you can't see them with the naked eye? 14:14 No, no, you have to have a microscope to see them. 14:17 And you've seen them tons of times? 14:19 Yes, I have. 14:20 But to me, it's not the cell itself 14:23 that's interesting. 14:25 It's all the stuff going on inside the cell. 14:27 So you get this tiny, itsy-bitsy little thing 14:30 that you can't see with your eye. 14:32 But each cell is like a little city or a big city. 14:35 It's like a massive city, like the city of Los Angeles. 14:38 There's all kinds of activity going on. 14:41 Even in the simpler cell, it's staggering, 14:44 it's almost impossible to fully grasp, 14:47 even as a biochemist. 14:48 Does Dawkins know how complex the cell is? 14:51 Yeah, of course, he does. 14:52 He knows that for well, 14:54 but it's not just simply that the cell is complex. 14:58 It's the nature of the complexity 15:00 that to me is mind boggling. 15:02 You know, there's an elegance, there's a sophistication to it 15:07 but there's also an eeriness to that complexity in that. 15:11 When we look at the cell, 15:13 we see systems that look just like the types of systems 15:17 that we would build as designers. 15:19 You know, every city needs energy 15:21 to run its operations, 15:22 well, the cell is no different. 15:24 And in fact, it has these little power plants 15:26 called mitochondria 15:28 that are producing energy for the cell. 15:30 And integral to that energy production... 15:32 And they're really little powerhouses? 15:34 They literally are powerhouse. 15:35 They really are? Yes. 15:37 And you've seen them? 15:38 I've seen them and I've studied them, 15:41 you know, and one of the protein complexes 15:44 that's in this powerhouse is called ATP synthase. 15:48 That's a mouthful, 15:50 but it's literally 15:51 an electrically powered rotary motor, 15:53 where there's an electrical current 15:56 that flows through a motor component 15:59 that's embedded in a membrane, 16:01 and as that positively charged proton 16:03 makes its way through the channel, 16:05 it rotates that motor. 16:07 And as it rotates, it causes a rotor 16:10 to rotate this extending from the surface of the motor. 16:12 Can this be seen? Yes. 16:13 And people have produced animations of this. 16:16 It's amazing. It's literally a machine. 16:19 And there's a cam at a right angle. 16:21 There's a turbine, and that cam hits the turbine 16:24 and it causes this mechanical movement 16:26 that then that energy is used to form a compound called ATP, 16:31 that is like the gasoline inside the cell. 16:34 Yeah. 16:35 But this is an electrically powered rotary motor 16:37 that operates at almost 100% efficiency. 16:40 It's a frictionless motor. 16:43 And in fact, there are scientists. 16:44 It's better than a Tesla. 16:46 It's much better than a Tesla. 16:48 But it is one of the most remarkable protein complexes 16:52 in nature. 16:54 But here at the powerhouse, you have this in effect, 16:58 this electrically powered turbine 17:00 that is generating the energy that the cell uses. 17:03 And this is just one example. 17:06 But this happened by itself. 17:09 Well... It happened... 17:12 Doctor, we got to be scientific now. 17:15 Dr. Dawkins would tell me. 17:18 It was made by a blind watchmaker. 17:20 And nobody knows where the watchmaker came from, 17:24 but somehow a watchmaker came along. 17:27 And all of this, it just happened. 17:30 It was a product of time, plus matter, plus chance. 17:35 But I mean, think of it this way, 17:37 if you opened up the hood of your automobile engine. 17:40 Yeah. 17:41 Would you say a blind watchmaker 17:42 produced that engine? 17:44 Or would you say that there was a mind 17:47 that conceived that design 17:49 and then took deliberate steps to implement that design? 17:53 And when you see the same thing in the cell, 17:57 the natural inclination would be 17:59 that this is really the product of a mind 18:02 to say that this is a blind watchmaker to me 18:05 is where the leap of faith is coming in. 18:07 Yeah. 18:08 Now something else says... 18:09 So Richard Dawkins is really a very religious man. 18:13 Yeah. 18:14 He has a tremendous amount of faith. 18:16 He does. 18:17 And he's got a big cult following. 18:18 He does. 18:20 And they have a church they call 18:21 the church of the first atheist. 18:23 Yes. 18:24 This is true, isn't it? It is. 18:25 I'm not trying to be funny, but this is absolutely true. 18:27 It is true. 18:28 Atheists say, we've got facts we believe in science. 18:30 No, no, no, you believe in faith. 18:32 Tell me more about this, 18:34 this tiny little thing, this cell thing? 18:36 Now, something that keeps me awake 18:38 at night in a good way is the fact that DNA 18:43 which is the set of instructions in the cell 18:46 that actually tells the cell 18:48 how to make all these different protein machines 18:51 that we're talking about is 18:53 it contains digital information, 18:55 the information in DNA is digitized. 18:58 Tell me about DNA? 19:00 DNA is the... 19:02 Like I said, the set of instructions 19:04 inside the cell. 19:05 What's it stand for? Deoxyribonucleic acid. 19:09 Okay, I'll remember. 19:13 But it's essentially, you can think of it 19:15 as just a string of digital data. 19:18 And it's tiny? 19:20 It's extremely tiny. 19:21 But... 19:23 You can't see any of this stuff? 19:24 No, but there's massive amounts of it too inside the cell. 19:26 And it's inside the cell 19:28 that is so tiny that you can't see the cell. 19:30 Right, but what's interesting is that 19:31 there are these protein machines 19:33 that manipulate DNA. 19:35 And people have recognized recently 19:38 that those machines that are manipulating 19:40 that digital information 19:41 are literally operating like a computer system. 19:45 It's literally a computer system 19:47 that is taking place inside the cell. 19:50 It's incredible all of this, isn't it? 19:51 In fact, 19:53 the way the cell manipulates DNA 19:55 is so much like a computer, 19:57 that it's given birth to a whole new area 19:59 of nanotechnology called DNA computing. 20:02 That's to copy it. 20:03 Yes, where scientists 20:05 are literally building computers in the lab now 20:07 using DNA and the protein machines 20:10 that manipulate DNA 20:11 and they're held in these little tiny test tubes 20:13 that are that big. 20:15 And they're more powerful 20:16 than the most powerful supercomputer system 20:19 we've ever built as a human being. 20:22 I find this almost incomprehensible. 20:24 You're saying they're building tiny little computers today... 20:28 Yes. Replicating the DNA in a cell. 20:31 Yep. 20:32 And these tiny things are more powerful than... 20:35 Yes. 20:37 My iPhone? 20:38 Yes. Yes. 20:40 And so to me, you know, back to this idea, 20:44 if you saw an iPhone in the beach, 20:46 you know, sitting on the ground, 20:48 what would you conclude? 20:50 That was... 20:52 It just happened by itself, nobody made it. 20:54 That's right. Yeah. 20:56 No, of course, we would conclude, 20:58 that this is the product of a mind. 21:00 Yes. 21:01 Because I mean, at the end of the day 21:03 cell phones are computers. 21:04 Of course, they are. 21:05 You know, and you could argue 21:07 a computer is the pinnacle 21:08 of our engineering accomplishment. 21:10 Now, this is new to me. 21:11 Tell me about 21:12 how they're building these tiny, tiny, powerful computers? 21:15 Well, I mean, they're basically throwing the DNA 21:18 into a test tube with, along with the proteins 21:21 and by playing around 21:22 with the digital data in the DNA, 21:25 and by adding the right proteins 21:27 at the right time, 21:29 they can carry out very complex computer operations. 21:32 And these are a tiny, tiny, tiny, 21:34 how tiny are these computers? 21:36 Well, I mean, these are essentially 21:38 at the molecular scale. 21:40 But I mean, in the lab, 21:42 the best you can do is manipulate them 21:44 in a little tube like this. 21:45 But even in a sense in that little test tube, 21:49 there are millions and millions and millions 21:52 of DNA computers all working simultaneously 21:55 or operating systems all working simultaneously 21:59 inside that test tube 22:01 to carry out these complex operations. 22:03 Now, my television audience is going to say this, 22:07 I hope, I hope you're going to say this. 22:10 If everything you telling us today is true, 22:13 and I've got no doubt 22:14 that it is true. 22:16 Why are there atheists? 22:18 Why is Richard Dawkins an atheist? 22:21 How does he handle this information? 22:24 Why does he say it was caused 22:25 by a blind watchmaker? 22:27 And I say this with hopefully some measure of caution, 22:32 in respect, but I don't think people are atheists 22:36 because of the lack of evidence 22:38 for God's existence. 22:40 Say that again. 22:41 You don't think they're atheists 22:42 because of the lack of evidence. 22:44 Yeah. 22:45 I think at the end of the day, 22:47 it boils down to they simply don't want God to exist, 22:51 and appealing to evolution 22:53 and the blind watchmaker is just a convenient way 22:57 to sidestep the reality of a Creator. 23:01 And could it possibly be true that some atheists 23:05 have been terribly treated by so called Christians. 23:11 Children have been abused 23:13 by members of our other religious order. 23:16 And these people have got so much pain and hurt 23:22 and maybe hate in their heart. 23:25 And they direct this towards the God of the Bible 23:28 and therefore they become abusive of that God. 23:31 Yeah. 23:32 But is it not true, doctor, 23:34 that people who've done these horrendous acts 23:38 in history in the Inquisition and the pedophiles. 23:41 They're the very, very, very opposite of Christ. 23:44 Yes, exactly. 23:45 I mean, people can carry out horrific acts 23:49 in the name of the Christian faith. 23:50 Yes, the priests in the Inquisition. 23:53 But it doesn't mean that they are operating 23:56 in a way that would be pleasing to Christ... 23:58 No, no, no. 24:00 Or that they're following genuinely following 24:01 the teachings of Christ. 24:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 24:04 And so I think we have to separate 24:05 Christ from Christians. 24:07 Yes. 24:08 You know, because at the end of the day 24:10 Christians are human beings 24:11 and we all sadly, we all hurt one another, 24:13 even with the best of intentions. 24:15 But some do it much more effectively than others. 24:17 Yes, it's true. 24:19 Some have done things that are a part 24:21 of the antichrist system. 24:23 Yeah. 24:24 And the system of pedophilia 24:26 that has existed in some churches 24:29 is indeed something which is evil. 24:31 It's satanic. Yes. Yes. 24:33 And atheists have got to realize 24:34 that this has got nothing to do with Christ at all. 24:37 Let me ask you this. 24:38 I can see you're a strong Christian. 24:41 Obviously, you were brought up in a Christian home. 24:44 No, I wasn't actually. 24:47 In fact, 24:48 my father was a nuclear physicist, 24:50 a college professor. 24:52 My mom was a science and math teacher 24:54 in high school and junior high 24:57 so I lived in a house 24:58 where science was part of our day-to-day lives. 25:02 And my mom was a non-practicing Catholic. 25:05 My father was a Muslim. 25:07 And so we all... Was he practicing? 25:09 Yes, he was very devout. 25:11 And so I grew up in a home 25:13 where our view of Christianity was actually rather negative. 25:18 And so I didn't have any kind of Christian influence, 25:21 or any orientation towards Christianity. 25:24 And by the time I went to college, 25:26 I was an agnostic. 25:28 I didn't know if God existed or not, 25:29 and I probably in college would have cheered Dawkins on. 25:33 Believe it or not, I would have said, 25:35 "The origin of life, 25:36 the design of life, 25:38 it all can be explained 25:39 by the blind watchmaker of evolution." 25:41 But it was in graduate school 25:44 when I really came face-to-face 25:46 with the complexity of biochemical systems 25:49 that I recognize there had to be a mind behind this. 25:53 There had to be a mind that was responsible for life. 25:56 We're talking today to Dr. Fazale Rana 25:59 from Reasons to Believe. 26:02 And we've got tons and tons of amazing scientific evidence 26:07 to share with you next time. 26:10 I'm John Carter, and I'll be back. 26:28 Hello, friend. I'm John Carter. 26:30 Behind me is the great city of Manila, 26:34 the capital of the Philippines. 26:37 Did you know, this is quite amazing. 26:39 There are more people living in this area 26:41 than in New York City. 26:43 And Christ died for these people. 26:45 We came here, oh, long time ago back in 1984. 26:52 What's that, 34, 35 years ago, 26:54 and we came here with a team of young people 26:57 and we came to the PICC. 27:00 It is our intent to come here, 27:02 hire the biggest hall that's available, 27:05 the greatest outdoor stadium, whatever it takes. 27:09 You've got more than 20 million souls out here. 27:14 And I say it again. 27:15 These are people for whom Christ died. 27:18 I'm asking you to pray 27:19 for the people of the Philippines. 27:22 Please pray for the people here in Metro Manila. 27:25 And please write to me John Carter, 27:28 P.O. Box 1900, Thousand Oaks, California 91358. 27:33 In Australia, write to me at Terrigal, at the address 27:37 that is now showing on the screen. 27:41 We're back in Manila, 27:43 and we're back with a message from God, 27:46 that message is, Christ died for you. 27:51 And Christ is coming again soon. 27:57 Please support us. 27:58 Write to me today, P.O. Box 1900, 28:01 Thousand Oaks, California. 28:03 And also write to me at Terrigal in Australia. 28:07 Thank you for your support. 28:10 And God bless you. 28:26 For a copy of today's program, please contact us 28:29 at P.O. Box 1900, Thousand Oaks, 28:32 California 91358. 28:36 Or in Australia, 28:37 contact us at P.O. Box 861, 28:41 Terrigal, New South Wales 2260. 28:45 This program is made possible through the generous support 28:48 of viewers like you. 28:50 We thank you for your continued support. 28:53 May God richly bless you. |
Revised 2019-06-28