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00:01 Hello friend, I'm John Carter.
00:02 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:04 Our topic is Faith and Science. 00:08 We have with us today a great scientist, 00:11 Dr. Fazale Rana, 00:12 from that great organization in Southern California, 00:16 Reasons to Believe. 00:18 Welcome today to the Carter Report. 00:24 I'm John Carter in Moscow. 00:27 In Havana, Cuba. 00:30 Now in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. 00:33 I'm John Carter in Petra. 00:36 Right here in Communist China. 00:39 Reporting from India. 00:41 Hi, I'm John Carter in the Solomon Islands. 00:44 I'm John Carter in Soweto. 00:46 From El Salvador. 00:49 I'm John Carter in Sydney, Australia. 00:52 John Carter brings together Faith and Science. 00:59 Welcome back. 01:01 We're glad to have you with us today. 01:02 Dr. Rana, we're delighted to have you with us 01:04 from Reasons to Believe. 01:06 Well, thank you for having me. 01:08 I have been tremendously inspired 01:10 by the material that has come out 01:11 of Reasons to Believe. 01:13 Thank you. 01:14 This tremendous stuff 01:15 on the creation of the universe, 01:18 the fine tuning of the universe. 01:19 You know, 01:21 this is heady, powerful stuff, isn't it? 01:23 It is. 01:24 Amazing stuff. 01:25 Now in the first segment entitled Faith and Science, 01:31 he told us about building tiny little computers 01:34 that replicate the cell, 01:37 the DNA. 01:38 This is sort of incredible. 01:40 I want you to tell the audience about it again, please. 01:42 Well, to me, 01:44 this is one of the most mind-boggling things 01:46 I've ever learned about... 01:47 Boggled my mind. 01:49 About biochemistry. 01:50 And that is 01:52 that the machinery inside the cell 01:55 that manipulates DNA, 01:57 and DNA is a large molecule 02:00 that contains the instructions 02:02 that the cell needs to produce all of the protein machines 02:06 that carry out its operations. 02:08 And that instruction is in the form 02:10 or those instructions are in the form 02:12 of digital information. 02:14 And it turns out that those machines 02:17 that manipulate DNA are literally functioning 02:19 like computer systems 02:21 that their very basic mode of operation. 02:26 So much so that 02:27 it's inspired a new area of nanotechnology 02:30 called DNA computing, 02:32 where scientists are building computers 02:34 in the laboratory using DNA, 02:37 and the proteins that manipulate DNA. 02:40 And these computers are in tiny little test tubes 02:42 about this big. 02:44 And they're more powerful 02:46 than the most powerful supercomputer system. 02:48 Say that again, they're more powerful than... 02:51 Than the most powerful supercomputer system 02:54 that we've ever built. 02:55 I find this astounding. 02:58 It is astounding. It's mind-boggling. 03:00 These tiny little things 03:01 that replicate the tiny, tiny little cell, 03:06 the DNA, they're more powerful 03:08 than the most powerful computer system in the world. 03:10 Yes. Yes. 03:13 And this just happened with the cell. 03:14 Yeah. 03:16 Well, to me that we know from experience that 03:19 what it takes to build a computer system. 03:24 It doesn't just happen by itself? 03:27 I mean, because Richard Dawkins says 03:28 it all happened by the blind watchmaker. 03:31 Well, and this is to me 03:32 the power, I think of the evidence 03:34 that we see in biochemistry for Creator's existence. 03:38 And that is the fact that, 03:41 again, your first inclination 03:43 when you see a computer system, 03:45 is that there was a mind 03:47 that was responsible for conceiving it, 03:49 designing it, and building it. 03:51 And why would we conclude otherwise, 03:54 when we realize 03:55 at the core of the cells operations 03:58 are these very elaborate, 03:59 sophisticated computer systems, 04:01 far more sophisticated 04:03 than what we could ever build. 04:04 I just want to say to the television audience, 04:06 I want you to hear this 04:07 because this is totally mind-blowing, 04:11 this is astounding, that inside the cell, 04:14 there are computers 04:16 that are more powerful and complex 04:18 than anything that exists in the world. 04:20 Yes. 04:22 And the cell is so small 04:26 that you got to have 04:28 a sophisticated microscope to see it. 04:31 Yes. Yes, that's right. 04:33 You're a biochemist. 04:35 Where did you do your degree, incidentally? 04:37 At Ohio University. 04:39 Yeah. Which is a great university. 04:40 Yes, I think. 04:42 And then you went out and did what after that? 04:44 Where did you work? 04:45 I did a couple of postdocs at the University of Virginia 04:49 and University of Georgia, 04:51 and then spent not quite a decade 04:54 working in research and development 04:56 for a Fortune 500 company. 04:58 And from there I went 04:59 and joined the Reasons to Believe 05:02 which I've been a part of now for 20 years. 05:04 Which gives Reasons to Believe? 05:05 Yes, I mean, 05:07 the focus of our organization 05:08 is to show how the latest discoveries in science 05:11 provide evidence for God's existence 05:13 and the reliability of Scripture. 05:15 So you believe that faith and science 05:18 can very happily coexist? 05:21 Yes. 05:22 In fact, 05:24 I think not only can they coexist, 05:25 but I think 05:27 scientific discoveries give us 05:29 reasons to believe that 05:31 the Christian faith is true. 05:32 Absolutely. Yeah. 05:33 And so it's not a question 05:36 of achieving some kind of taught or truths, 05:38 but it's really. 05:40 It's the most reasonable conclusion. 05:42 Yes, 05:44 when you look at the scientific evidence, 05:46 it just indicates 05:48 that there is a design to the universe, 05:51 a design to life. 05:53 That to me only makes sense 05:54 if you think about that design 05:55 coming from the mind of a Creator. 05:58 Is it not true, 05:59 and I've read a little bit about this. 06:00 And I've listened to great scientists 06:03 like Hugh Ross and others, 06:05 that the whole universe is fine tune for life. 06:08 Yes. 06:09 This is called the anthropic principle, 06:11 is this right? 06:12 That's right. 06:14 And this again, is a discovery that, 06:16 I think is on par 06:17 with the discovery of DNA computers 06:19 inside the cell. 06:20 I mean it's mind-boggling to think. 06:22 Yeah, it's mind boggling, everything. 06:23 That the way the universe is constructed, 06:27 the fundamental constants and the parameters 06:29 and the characteristics 06:30 have to assume exacting values. 06:33 One part in a trillion trillion trillion trillion. 06:35 Yeah, I mean, 06:36 that the level of exactness is almost incomprehensible. 06:41 And if in any one of them deviates ever so slightly 06:44 from those values, 06:46 life wouldn't be possible in the universe, 06:48 and this suggest 06:50 that the universe is designed. 06:52 But it also suggests that the universe 06:55 has a purpose, its fit for a purpose. 06:57 Yes. 06:58 And that purpose is the advent of humanity. 07:00 Yes. 07:01 And so that it's as Freeman Dyson once said, 07:04 he says, "As if the universe had us in mind, 07:06 from the very beginning," you know, 07:08 that there's something about the universe 07:11 that is structured in a way 07:12 that makes human life possible. 07:15 I just wanna say to the watching audience, 07:18 I personally would find it very, very hard 07:21 to be a rational atheist. 07:24 I find it very hard 07:25 to be a person who thinks rationally, 07:28 and believes that all of this 07:29 the fine tuning of the universe, 07:31 the construction of the cell, 07:35 the replication of the cell 07:36 and these tiny of the DNA 07:39 in these super, super tiny computers. 07:42 I find it hard to believe 07:43 all of this could happen by itself... 07:47 Yeah. 07:48 By a blind watchmaker. Me too. 07:51 I mean, I think if you really are looking at the evidence, 07:53 objectively, at minimum, 07:56 it's rational to think a Creator exists. 07:58 But I think the evidence really, 08:00 if you're open-minded, 08:02 compels you to think that a Creator exists. 08:04 I'm compelled. 08:05 So people who've just tuned into the television program. 08:09 Tell me more about the cell? 08:12 How big the cell is? 08:13 What goes on inside the cell? 08:15 How we now trying to replicate 08:17 the computers 08:19 that are working inside the cell? 08:21 The way I like to think of the cell is that 08:23 it's like a microscopic molecular scale city 08:27 where, you know, 08:29 the smallest bacterium 08:30 is probably about a micron or so in size, 08:33 it's about one millionth of a meter. 08:35 And a large cell might be 08:37 a couple hundred microns in size. 08:38 Yeah, it's huge. 08:40 But the operations 08:41 that are taking place in the cell 08:44 are incredibly complex, 08:45 incredibly mind, you know, 08:47 mind-boggling in terms of the complexity, 08:50 but there's a sophistication and ingenuity. 08:53 But it's all coordinated, it's all integrated, 08:56 and working seamlessly together, 08:57 just like a well run city. 08:59 So tell me some of the functions 09:02 and some of the operations inside the cell? 09:04 Well, you know, 09:06 another biochemical system that intrigues me is 09:10 the process of protein production 09:13 in it literally is like a well run assembly line. 09:16 Where, inside the cell? 09:18 Yeah, where you have the set of instructions 09:20 in the DNA molecule. 09:22 And when it's time to make a particular protein 09:25 because the cell needs that operation, 09:27 that protein carries out. 09:29 That information is copied by an elaborate set of machines 09:33 that, in fact, are a computer operation. 09:36 And then that copy is escorted 09:39 to a structure called ribosome. 09:43 It's like a protein assembly line, 09:45 that bit by bit assembled. 09:46 And this actually happens? Yes. 09:48 Can you see this? 09:50 We know what happens 09:51 from a whole host of biochemical evidence. 09:53 So the ribosome... 09:54 Because it's so small. 09:56 It's so small, you can't really see it now. 09:57 Goodness. 09:59 But you're inferring it from all the chemical data 10:01 that you've collected 10:03 in terms of how the cell operates. 10:04 But literally, a protein is 10:07 a chain of smaller molecules called amino acids 10:10 that are linked together. 10:12 And they're brought one amino acid at a time 10:14 to the ribosome 10:16 and it's assembled in a precise exacting manner. 10:19 And throughout that whole process, 10:21 there are all these quality control checkpoints 10:23 that are making sure 10:24 that this process happens without any error, 10:27 or without any mistake. 10:28 It's all exquisitely optimized. 10:32 Well, to a reasonable mind, 10:34 this would be evidence for designer. 10:39 Is this a rational statement? 10:41 It is. 10:42 And to me this brings to mind 10:44 the old watchmaker argument of William Paley that, 10:48 you know, that if you see a watch, 10:50 this was Paley's argument on the side of the road 10:53 you would conclude that there was a mind 10:55 that made it because 10:56 that watch has certain properties that reflect 10:59 what human beings do when we design things. 11:02 And the same properties are found 11:04 in every biochemical system, 11:08 those same properties, 11:10 you know, and so it revitalizes 11:12 that old watchmaker argument. 11:14 All right, then, doctor, 11:17 you came up and brought up in a home 11:19 that was somewhat antagonistic towards Christianity? 11:21 Yes. 11:23 When you go to university, 11:24 did science play a part at all in your conversion 11:28 to Christ and Christianity? 11:30 It played perhaps the central role. 11:33 When I was an undergraduate student, 11:35 I embraced the evolutionary paradigm, 11:38 I was an agnostic, 11:39 I would have cheered on the likes of Richard Dawkins, 11:42 and would have agreed with him. 11:44 And yet when I was a graduate student, 11:46 it was discoveries, like we're talking about now, 11:49 that gave me some very serious pause for thought. 11:52 And so I asked, 11:54 "Can the blind watchmaker mechanism 11:56 produce this design?" 11:58 What made you ask those questions? 11:59 Because the way that biochemical systems operate 12:04 is so sophisticated and ingenious 12:07 and elegant, 12:10 that it's not like the types of chemical systems 12:13 that we cobbled together in the laboratory. 12:14 So did you sit down sometime and say, 12:17 how does this happen? 12:18 I did. 12:20 And so I literally began to study 12:22 the origin of life question, 12:25 in addition to all my other responsibilities. 12:26 And the atheist has got no answer to this, has it? 12:28 No. The origin of life. 12:30 Within about a month of serious study, 12:33 I said, there's no way 12:35 that chemistry and physics on its own 12:37 can produce these kind of systems that 12:40 there has to be a mind. 12:42 And that then leads to two very important questions. 12:47 Who is that creator? 12:48 And do I relate to that creator and if so, how? 12:51 And I felt that the best answer to that was 12:54 in the person of Christ and in the gospel itself. 12:57 How did you hear about Christ and the gospel? 12:59 Well, he was a pastor who was going to... 13:04 He married my wife and I, 13:05 but as we were sitting down 13:06 to talk about 13:08 what that marriage would look like. 13:10 He challenged me as a non-believer, 13:13 he challenged me to get a copy of the Bible 13:16 and read it for myself. 13:17 He asked me, "Have you ever read the Bible?" 13:19 And my answer was no, 13:21 I was 23 years old at the time, 13:22 I never picked up the Bible. 13:24 And so he said, 13:25 "How do you know it's not true?" 13:27 And so as I read through the Gospel of Matthew, 13:30 in the Sermon on the Mount, 13:32 I encountered the person of Christ 13:34 in the pages of scripture 13:35 and had this overwhelming conviction 13:38 that this indeed was true. 13:40 And then later on, of course, 13:42 I learned of all the very powerful evidence 13:45 that we have for the reliability 13:47 of the Old and the New Testament 13:48 and the powerful historical arguments 13:50 we could make for Christ. 13:52 But I would say 13:53 I had a religious experience 13:55 engaging the Sermon on the Mount 13:57 as a non-believer, 14:00 but somebody who was open to the gospel 14:03 because I was comfortable with the idea 14:05 that there was a Creator. 14:06 And when you gave your life to Christ, 14:09 this makes some people feel a little uncomfortable. 14:16 But we're talking about something which is real. 14:19 It's as real as anything scientific. 14:22 When you gave your life to Christ, 14:25 what happened to you? 14:27 How would you explain this? 14:28 Well, I felt like I finally understood 14:32 what my place was. 14:34 Where you came from? Yeah, where I came from. 14:35 Why you're here? 14:37 Yeah, what was the purpose or the meaning of my existence, 14:40 and to me that meaning and purpose 14:42 is in the relationship with our Creator. 14:45 And I also realize that 14:49 I had this opportunity to know that Creator 14:52 who made the entire universe. 14:53 I know this is a mind-boggling concept. 14:55 And I could know that Creator through the person of Christ 14:59 and His sacrifice on the Cross 15:01 so that I could be reconciled to the Creator 15:03 so that my sins would be forgiven 15:05 that which was keeping me from the Creator, 15:08 that is maybe even more mind-blowing than... 15:12 Of course, it is. 15:13 They're thinking about elegant design 15:15 that you see in biochemical systems. 15:17 That the Creator of the universe 15:19 is interested in you and me. 15:22 But I also came to realize that as a scientist, 15:26 I didn't need to apologize for being a Christian. 15:29 Because the worldview that Christianity represents, 15:34 is actually foundational for doing science itself. 15:37 Yes. Tell us about this? 15:39 Well, I mean, to do science, 15:40 we're making certain assumptions. 15:42 What are these assumptions? 15:43 Well, we assume that the universe is real, 15:46 that it's worth studying. 15:47 Yeah. 15:48 There's values. There are laws. 15:50 Yeah, there are laws, 15:51 there's a regularity to the universe, 15:52 that the universe is intelligible. 15:54 And that we have a mental apparatus 15:56 that's trustworthy enough to study the universe. 15:59 Well, those assumptions 16:02 flow right out of the Christian worldview. 16:04 Of course. 16:05 If God is the Creator, and He's revealed Himself 16:07 through the creation, 16:08 and the creation is good 16:10 because the Creator made it. 16:11 Well, it's worth studying. 16:13 Creator's a God of order, 16:16 there's a regularity to the universe 16:17 because the Creator instituted that. 16:19 And as humans made in God's image, 16:22 we have that ability to understand the universe. 16:25 Is it not true? 16:26 And this kept Darwin up at night. 16:29 He said, 16:30 "If this mind has come from the very lowest, 16:35 and it's happened by a blind chance, 16:38 how can I trust its processes? 16:40 How can I believe in anything?" 16:42 So if you don't believe in God, 16:45 how can you believe in laws 16:47 by which we can interpret the universe? 16:49 Yes. 16:51 This is a question. Yeah. 16:52 Because I mean, the fact that there's even laws 16:54 that dictate the way the universe 16:56 operates suggests 16:57 there had to be a mind 16:59 that generated those laws that produce those laws, 17:02 or how to be a law giver. 17:04 So it's not just that the fact 17:06 that the universe has a beginning 17:07 that points to a Creator, or the design. 17:10 It's the fact that everything is operating, 17:13 according to a regularity, 17:14 where do those laws come from if not from a Creator? 17:18 Is it not true 17:19 that the great scientific research was made possible 17:24 because of the Christian faith? 17:26 Well, it's no accident that modern science with birth 17:30 and flourished in Christian Europe. 17:32 And in fact, the scientists 17:35 who were instrumental in establishing 17:37 the different disciplines of science 17:39 were all men and women of God, 17:42 who were studying science 17:44 as a way to gain deeper insight 17:47 into the Creator. 17:48 It was an act of worship for them. 17:50 I want the television audience to think about this. 17:55 The great atheist, Richard Dawkins, 17:57 and every atheist says this. 17:59 The man is the product of time, think about this, 18:02 time plus matter plus chance. 18:06 It's true, isn't it? Yes. 18:07 That's atheism. 18:09 Well, if we're the product of time 18:10 plus matter plus chance, 18:12 then how can you believe in anything? 18:14 How can you trust your senses? 18:16 That's an incredibly powerful point. 18:20 Because if our mind is cobbled together 18:23 by evolutionary processes, 18:26 it functions just good enough for us to survive, 18:29 there's no guarantee that what we think 18:31 or perceive is true or reflects reality. 18:34 And so the atheist without being hard on him 18:37 because we love the atheist, 18:40 but the atheist has to take an immense leap of faith. 18:43 Yes. 18:44 He's the person 18:46 who's the most religious of all. 18:47 Richard Dawkins is the most religious person in England, 18:50 and the most zealous in many ways. 18:54 I'm being a little facetious. 18:56 Now Darwin, the great Englishman, 18:59 Charles Darwin, 19:01 sought up the idea of evolution. 19:03 Yeah. 19:06 Of course, he was very familiar 19:08 with the marvelous workings of the cell, wasn't he? 19:11 I mean, he had great microscopes. 19:15 He knew everything that you know, didn't he? 19:19 Actually, what's interesting is 19:21 almost everything that we know 19:23 about biology was discovered 19:25 after Darwin's theory of evolution. 19:27 Yes. 19:29 You know, and so Darwin had no concept 19:31 of the complexity of the cell, he thought it was just... 19:33 A blob. A blob of jelly. 19:35 Yes. 19:36 And so it's easy to think how a little blob of jelly 19:39 might emerge in a warm little pond. 19:42 Yes. 19:44 But it's hard to envision how a molecular scale system 19:49 that is more complex than a city 19:51 could emerge through. 19:53 I think most unbelievers don't think this through, 19:56 I don't think they think through 19:58 to the logical conclusions. 20:01 That here you've got a cell 20:02 and you got trillions of them inside you. 20:04 And each cell is more complex 20:06 than a big city like Los Angeles. 20:08 And scientists today 20:10 are taking some of those intricate 20:12 workings of that cell 20:14 and they're making super-duper computers. 20:17 Well, you know, something else that's also interesting is, 20:20 there's an area in technology called synthetic biology. 20:25 And the goal there is to try to marry engineering 20:29 and biology. 20:30 And so scientists are trying to engineer new life forms. 20:33 And as part of that, 20:35 they're now scientists trying to create cells 20:37 in the laboratory from scratch. 20:39 Make life. 20:40 Yeah, these are called protocells. 20:42 And when you look at the work that's done, 20:45 it's science at its very best. 20:48 But what has been produced is laughable 20:51 compared to the complexity of even the most simple cell. 20:54 It's laughable? 20:55 Yeah, I mean, these are... 20:57 I want as a biochemist, I look at this work, 20:59 and I am very impressed 21:01 because you have the best minds in the world 21:03 producing the systems, 21:05 but they so are so far removed 21:08 from what we see in the simplest life form 21:12 that they're leaps and leaps and leaps away 21:15 from ever accomplishing, 21:16 truly creating life in the lab. 21:19 But what's interesting to me is that 21:20 when you look at this work, 21:22 you have the best minds in the world 21:24 that are relying on centuries of scientific knowledge. 21:27 Little creators. 21:29 Yes, they are little creators. Yeah. 21:31 And they are developing these very sophisticated strategies 21:35 and laboratory schemes. 21:37 And then you have highly trained scientists 21:39 that are doing careful manipulations 21:41 under highly controlled conditions in the lab. 21:44 And they're using instrumentation that 21:46 in and of itself is brilliantly designed 21:49 and they're producing a really crude facsimile of the cell. 21:55 But what this is showing you is 21:57 how much intelligence it takes 21:59 to turn chemicals into the simple cell. 22:02 Well, this is evidence for the Creator, isn't it? 22:04 Yes. 22:05 And to me, this complements 22:07 the idea that we see design in biochemical systems. 22:11 Because what this is showing is that empirically, 22:13 in the lab, we know, 22:15 intelligent agency is needed to make life. 22:18 And then when we look at living systems, 22:20 we see the telltale signature of design. 22:24 So when you couple that together, 22:25 I think you have a very powerful set of reasons 22:28 to think that there really is a Creator responsible for life. 22:32 Now we've talked about this, 22:33 but I just want to go through this again. 22:36 Tell me of the relationship between faith and evidence, 22:40 as far as you're concerned? 22:41 Well, to me, I think it's wrong to think that 22:46 as Christians our faith is a blind faith. 22:48 Yes. 22:50 Our faith is anything but blind. 22:51 It's based on evidence, 22:53 there's scientific evidence for a Creator, 22:56 for the reliability of scripture. 22:57 There's archaeological evidence for the reliability 23:00 of the Old and the New Testament. 23:02 There is indeed. 23:03 There's historical arguments 23:04 we can make for the life, death, 23:06 and resurrection of Christ. 23:07 Yes. 23:08 You know, we all have experienced, 23:11 I think, the religious experiences 23:13 that we have as Christians, 23:15 where we experienced God is also evidence 23:17 for why there must be a Creator and why Christianity is true. 23:22 If somebody is just tuning in today, doctor, 23:28 and they're on the verge of becoming a person of faith 23:32 and becoming a Christian. 23:34 What would you say to that person 23:36 from your own experience 23:38 because you've come from a situation of unbelief? 23:41 Yeah. 23:43 Well, to me, 23:44 I made this point, but I'll make it again. 23:46 It's beyond imagination 23:49 to think that the Creator 23:51 that brought everything into existence 23:54 is made it possible for us 23:55 to be in a relationship with Him. 23:58 And that, what keeps us from that Holy God 24:01 is our sinful nature, 24:03 and yet it's through the person of Christ 24:05 and the sacrifice on the cross 24:07 that we are reconciled to our Creator. 24:10 And in that relationship is meaning and purpose. 24:14 It's our hope, it's our destiny. 24:16 And so to me, 24:18 it's mind-blowing to think of the love 24:23 that this Creator must have... 24:24 So what's this Creator like, what sort of person is He? 24:27 Well, obviously, a person of glory and majesty. 24:31 And power. And power, a Holy Creator. 24:33 Yeah. 24:35 But when I look at the record of nature, 24:36 I see also beauty and elegance, I see creativity. 24:41 So I see this Creator, is also an artist, 24:45 where there's a flair. 24:47 I mean, who wouldn't want to know a Creator like that. 24:51 And a great designer. 24:52 A great designer, but also ultimately, a Creator, 24:56 that is gracious, and merciful, and loving, 25:00 and just simply desires for us to turn towards Him. 25:05 And He became a man. 25:07 Yeah, that again, 25:09 this Creator wants us to know Him. 25:12 And this is what science is telling us 25:14 is that the Creator wants us to know Him. 25:17 But He ultimately revealed Himself 25:19 most perfectly through the person of Christ. 25:22 That's amazing to think that this Creator 25:24 became part of His creation 25:26 so that we could enter into a relationship with Him. 25:30 And that's the greatest truth of all. 25:33 We want to thank you today for joining the Carter Report. 25:37 I wanna thank you, Dr. Fazale. Thank you. 25:39 You've been a fantastic guest. 25:42 Please write to me, John Carter, P.O. Box 1900, 25:45 Thousand Oaks, California 91358. 25:47 In Australia, 25:48 write to the address on the screen. 25:50 And we're going to put up the address 25:52 of Reasons to Believe in Southern California. 25:55 Write to Dr. Fazale Rana 25:58 at Reasons to Believe 26:01 because there are reasons to believe. 26:05 And the good news is 26:06 that the God who made the universe made you 26:10 and He loves you. 26:12 And so until next time, thank you for joining us. 26:15 And may God bless you. 26:24 Hello, friend. 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