Participants: Jay Rosario & Daniel McGrath (Host), Valmy Karamera
Series Code: E
Program Code: E000022
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00:20 Hello again. My name is Jay Rosario.
00:22 your host for the Engage Program, 00:24 which is a series dedicated to address the challenges 00:28 that young adults all over the world are having 00:31 that are pursuing a Christian experience with God. 00:34 Joining us today is my good friend Dan McGrath. 00:36 Dan, how is it going? Good, Jay. 00:37 Thanks for having me again. 00:39 Dan, so what are we talking about this time? 00:41 Well, today our program is gonna be something 00:44 that is a very, very sensitive, 00:46 very pertinent topic on how to deal with tragedy. 00:49 There are many people in the world 00:50 who have experienced hardship and pain 00:53 that they don't know how to deal with it, 00:54 and they're--they're longing to find relief. 00:57 And so we've invited our friend Valmy here. 01:01 Somebody who we believe can talk to this subject. 01:04 Valmy, it's good to have you back here. 01:06 Good to be here. Good to see you again. 01:07 Hello, good to see you, Valmy. 01:08 Good to see you, Jay. How are you? 01:10 So, Valmy, Dan and I have had the privilege of working 01:13 with you and sharing out with you, and taking with you. 01:18 but there are many people that probably have had 01:20 the privilege of meeting you, and now you're good friend, 01:24 but you also have an amazing journey 01:27 that the Lord-- that the Lord has kind of 01:30 taking you step-by-step up there. 01:32 Tell us a little bit, where do you come from? 01:34 Tell us a little bit about your childhood? 01:38 My name is Valmy Karamera. 01:40 And I'm currently a student at Andrews University. 01:44 I'm doing my graduate studies there. 01:47 I'm originally born in Rwanda in Central Africa. 01:52 And my father worked as a physician 01:55 at one of the largest hospital in Rwanda 01:58 and my mother worked for an oil company 02:01 that was in the country. 02:02 I'm the only child, but not spoil child. 02:06 So Rwanda, what language they speak in Rwanda? 02:08 Rwanda, today they speak three languages. 02:11 One is a dialect, which is Kinyarwanda, 02:14 another one is French, another one is--Bonjour. 02:16 Bonjour certainly. Another one is English. 02:20 So they speak three languages now, yes. 02:22 So you're born there and so your parents-- 02:25 What was--what was life like in Rwanda there at the time? 02:28 I think as a young person, I had the privilege, 02:32 I think when I looked back I think my parents 02:36 had been able to go through school. 02:40 We could, we never go hungry, you know. 02:44 I think life was good as a young child. 02:47 And growing up, not only as the only child 02:51 but I think I also had good parents, 02:53 but, you know, no marriage is perfect. 02:55 I think they had their shortcomings. 02:57 But overall when I look back 02:59 I think it was a great childhood. 03:02 And I did my grade school there 03:07 and we were doing it in French and Kinyarwanda as well. 03:11 At that time English had not become 03:13 one of the major languages of the country, yes. 03:16 So what was--what was going on in Rwanda during that time? 03:21 I would say, the tipping point started-- 03:25 when you look at, you studied the history of the country. 03:27 It goes all way back into 20s, 03:30 the colonization and all these things. 03:33 And--but I think more recently 03:36 I think the--the catalyst of the event started in 1990 03:44 when--before 1990, there were people 03:48 who were kicked out of the country 03:50 and particularly they were coming from one tribe 03:53 and they were not allowed to be in the country 03:55 and so they formed a military group 03:59 and they attacked the country. 04:00 And those who are--us who are in the country and others, 04:05 of course, because we shared the same tribe 04:09 as those who had left the country, 04:11 it was a challenge staying in the country. 04:14 And things, I think culminated into 1994 genocide. 04:19 And I think if you speak to anyone 04:21 who doesn't know Rwanda, they know one thing, 04:23 they know about genocide. 04:25 And unfortunately my parents passed away. 04:28 My mother particularly passed away in the genocide. 04:31 My father passed away shortly before the genocide. 04:33 And when I looked back it is amazing, Jay. 04:36 It's amazing how the providence of God works 04:39 because I grew up not attending church at all. 04:44 And my parents never attended church. 04:46 So no religious background at all? 04:47 No religious background. We were called-- 04:50 "officially we were Catholics." 04:51 But everybody is Catholic, 04:53 you know, you're born Catholics. 04:54 That's way it is, you know, 04:56 sort of like what happens 04:57 in the North America and South America. 04:58 North America, yeah, very similar. 05:00 So we really rarely went to church. 05:03 And so, buddy, it is interesting 05:05 when I looked back that in 1994, it was the genocide. 05:08 But 1993 about a year before the genocide, 05:13 I don't know what got into my mother but she decided 05:16 that she would take me out of the country 05:17 to go study out of the country. 05:20 And so she took me to Uganda 05:23 which is the neighboring country 05:25 and there I continued to pursue 05:28 my grade school education, 05:30 but she returned back to Rwanda. 05:32 And so it's unfortunate that in 1994 05:34 when she had returned on of those streets, 05:37 she passed away in the genocide, 05:39 just also shortly after my father's death. 05:42 And so since then from that time I was an orphan, 05:47 but we had such a way, large extended family 05:51 so they took me in. 05:52 Because families in Africa, they are communal. 05:56 You know, it's--your uncle becomes your father suddenly, 05:59 you know, your aunt becomes your mother, 06:01 so it's very communal. 06:02 So they took me in. Yes. 06:05 So when you went to Uganda, 06:06 you found people that you can, 06:09 that they still loved you, they accepted you, 06:11 they still provided you niche that was safe with love-- 06:15 I mean, I think nothing can replace your parents, for sure. 06:18 But interestingly this way, this way I started my life 06:22 started intersecting with Christianity, 06:25 with religion because the aunt where I stayed at the house, 06:30 they were Pentecostals. 06:31 So they started taking me to, 06:33 you know, to church, you know. 06:36 I even one time tried to cast out demons out of someone. 06:40 It is an interesting story because when that demon 06:42 started to speaking, I jumped like five feet. 06:45 You ran away. I was so scared. Wow. 06:48 So--but that way I started 06:50 interacting with-- with Christianity, 06:54 even though it was a different form. 06:57 And so going to church, prayers, and things like that, 07:02 you know, at the young age-- but for some reason, 07:07 I think he did that what he had to do 07:09 which was introduce me to this concept 07:12 of going to church, praying, and all these, yeah. 07:15 So how old were you when your parents passed away? 07:17 I was, I think, 11 or 10 around that age. 07:22 Wow. Yeah. 07:23 And I would imagine-- 11, 12. 07:25 At 11, 10, 12 years old, I'm sure that must have had 07:28 a significant impact on your life. 07:31 And wow, so it's quite a miracle 07:34 that your--that you-- your life that you're healthy 07:36 and Lord is definitely using you. 07:38 So how did you end up here? 07:42 How did you end up here? A very good question. Yeah. 07:45 Like I said, we had a large extended family. 07:48 And at the time of genocide, my mother was in the States, 07:53 my grandmother was in the States. 07:55 And so after the genocide, she came back to Rwanda 07:58 and she stayed there for about four years 08:01 and at this time I was studying, 08:02 what we called high school in our country 08:05 which is called senior school. 08:08 So after I was in the mid of my, 08:11 what you called not high school, 08:12 but technically high school back home. 08:14 She decided that we would move 08:17 to North America to come to America. 08:19 So that's how me and my grandma. 08:21 Actually I came, me and my grandma. 08:23 And so you can imagine the, just the age difference alone. 08:27 And I was this little boy accompanying my grandma. 08:30 And so we journeyed to the land of opportunities, 08:33 you know, the great America. 08:35 And so that's how we ended up here. 08:37 The land of milk and honey, right? 08:39 That's what we call. 08:40 So how did you feel when you arrived in this country? 08:42 Was it severe culture shock or you like okay, 08:46 this is a mistake I want to go back home 08:47 or how did you feel? 08:48 You know, I think the first experience I had 08:50 was just picking out of the airplane 08:53 and look down on the ground and everything is white. 08:58 You came during winter? 08:59 I came during winter. 09:00 So I'm wondering, why is everything so white on ground? 09:04 You know, this is not the country I imagine going to. 09:07 And then we landed in Chicago at O'Hare 09:10 and coming out of the airport, 09:11 it was in the mid of the winter 09:13 and I was just wearing a, you know, a T-Shirt, a shirt, 09:16 and they asked me if they could give me a jacket. 09:20 My aunt came to receive my mother's sister, 09:23 she was staying in Indiana. 09:25 So they came to receive us at the airport. 09:27 She asked me if she could give me a jacket. 09:29 I said, "I don't need a jacket." 09:31 Until I went outside the O'Hare Airport then it hit me. 09:35 You need the jacket? Yeah, jacket. 09:37 Because I started hearing some physiological changes 09:40 in my ears, you know, so I needed a jacket. 09:42 So that was my first experience. 09:44 And of course, the culture shock and everything, 09:46 forming new friends and everything, you know, 09:49 going through school. 09:50 And so it was-- it was a time to adjust. 09:54 Now, you said, you grew up 09:58 in a non-religious home-- Absolutely. 09:59 You know, probably for all intents 10:01 and purposes, you would say you were Catholic, 10:02 but never went to church. Yeah. 10:04 So when you came here, you know, 10:06 you weren't religious, 10:08 you were probably more evolutionist, weren't you? 10:11 I think the concept of evolution started, 10:14 it's happening when I was in school, 10:18 when I was being introduced to this because in-- 10:22 in grade school and, other years of high school back home, 10:25 we were introduced to the concept of evolution 10:28 even though we are not even taught about God. 10:30 But--because beneath all these, 10:33 now I was getting into my teenage years, 10:35 I was in my teenage years at this time when we came. 10:39 I was studying to really search my life. 10:42 You know, what is this mean? 10:44 You know, here I was, I had parents, 10:46 I had a good loving family, and suddenly in a moment 10:51 of a twinkling of an eye, I just loose all that we had, 10:54 everything--the house, the parents, 10:55 everything that was dear to me. 10:57 And then it changes drastically, 11:00 why? why? How do I explain that? 11:02 So trying to make sense of all these. 11:05 And so I think that draw for me to start to search, 11:09 you know, so I remember at the end 11:10 of my high school year sitting in the biology class, 11:14 I had always wanted to do medicine. 11:15 My father was a physician and so I thought 11:18 I would emulate his steps and I loved sciences. 11:21 And so I started, at the end of my high school year, 11:24 I was in the class seated in the biology class 11:27 and my teacher came up, 11:28 this time it was a biology class, 11:30 and so he started introducing the concept of evolution, 11:35 the plate tectonics, you know, 11:36 how they are formed and all these. 11:39 And also looking at the evolutionary years 11:42 and looking at the cycle of the baby in the womb, 11:44 and looking at all these. 11:46 And he started suggesting the concept of evolution. 11:49 So in my mind sitting there searching the "Why" of life 11:54 because in my academic pursuits, 11:57 there was also these desire to know 11:59 the "Why" of life and the "Why" of suffering. 12:01 And so I started seeing possibly, 12:04 a possibility of this concept explaining, 12:08 providing answers to my existential needs, 12:12 to my, you know, fundamental questions of the life. 12:15 So another one, you began to consider 12:18 the deep fundamental philosophical questions 12:21 through this class? Absolutely. Wow. 12:23 And this was in my high school. 12:25 So wasn't at a church, it wasn't at the Bible study? 12:27 Absolutely. High school. 12:28 It was in high school. It was in high school. 12:29 Because, you know, we all come from 12:31 different culture backgrounds 12:32 and we have a different life experiences. 12:36 And we--At some point we are--we try to make sense, 12:39 what does it mean for me, you know, 12:41 if I'm to carry on this life? 12:43 What does it mean for me? 12:44 And I was at that stage where I was asking the question. 12:47 "What does this mean for me?" 12:49 You know, and not to mention, at this time, 12:51 I mean, almost pretty much throughout high school 12:53 I was smoking like a pack almost every day. 12:55 Yeah, you know, one thing God spared me, 12:58 I wasn't, I didn't drink. 13:00 And so that was, it was weird to find 13:02 someone who smoked but never drink, 13:05 you know. And so trying, 13:07 you know, I'm wrestling also with this habit of smoking. 13:09 Trust me, it's not a good thing, you know. 13:11 But also I want to quit. 13:12 I want to make sense of the suffering. 13:14 So I'm in the midst of all these 13:16 and then this concept of evolution is introduced to me. 13:19 And how--how did you go from that 13:23 to being a converted Seventh-day Adventist? 13:26 It's a very interesting story, how God, you know, 13:29 moves and shapes things to meet us where we are. 13:33 And so at the end of the high school, 13:35 I had applied to one of the local universities 13:39 which is University of Windsor in Canada. 13:42 And I applied to attend the school 13:44 and in my third year, 13:46 I remember seated in an evolutionary class. 13:49 As a biology major I had, 13:52 I was required to take an evolutionary class. 13:54 It was one of my degree requirement. 13:57 And I remember sitting there 13:59 and the professor was always 14:00 making fun of all Christians, you know. 14:03 And I feel that this is affirming 14:06 also my beliefs, my-- this evolutionary belief. 14:09 But the more I continue to ask the question, 14:14 you know, but where do I come from? 14:16 What is the meaning of my life? 14:18 Where am I hating, you know? 14:20 How should I behave even my life? 14:22 You know, the mind continued to ask these questions. 14:24 For example, because I experienced death 14:27 at an early age, so I had to ask 14:29 what happens to people when they die? 14:31 You know, where are my parents? 14:33 Am I going to see them? 14:34 Can I communicate to my parents now? 14:36 You know, because I had such a bond with my parents. 14:39 Can I communicate to them? 14:41 And so throughout these series of asking questions 14:45 and then I had to sit down and ask, 14:47 "Can evolution honestly answer the question of death?" 14:52 You know, because here is a theory 14:55 that says that it promotes life. 15:00 You know, it promotes life by eliminating 15:03 the weakest of the societies. 15:05 You know, that's what evolution claims, 15:07 claims to promote life. 15:08 And so, but if evolution promotes life 15:12 but then why does it kill also 15:14 those that it seeks to promote, you know. 15:17 For example, if you in a wheelchair, 15:20 wheelchair will not favor you. 15:22 You know, because it doesn't want to pass on those genes. 15:25 You know, so how could you say you promote life, 15:29 but at the same time you neglect that life? 15:32 So that felt, seem like an inhalant 15:36 fundamental flow in evolutionary theory. 15:39 The second thing also, I think this is a benefit 15:41 source of science, studying science 15:43 and I found that, for example, 15:47 that I can say that I'm a evolutionist, right? 15:51 And say that, "Things are moving 15:53 from order to disorder." 15:55 That's what science says, 15:57 the second law of thermodynamics in physics. 16:00 "The things are moving from order to disorder," 16:03 but evolution says, "The things are moving 16:06 from disorder--" To order. "To order." 16:08 So which is backwards? Which is a contradiction again? 16:12 And this is on a scientific ground. 16:14 It's not even a religious experience, 16:16 it's on a scientific ground. 16:18 So these are some of the loopholes in the theory. 16:21 And then in my third year, as I said I was studying 16:25 this class evolutionary biology and we took about 16:28 two weeks as the professors defending this that if-- 16:32 the eye has to have evolved. 16:34 Because one of the questions that people pose on evolution. 16:39 How could eye evolve? 16:41 You know, the eyes considered 16:42 as this irreducible complexity. 16:45 You cannot take out one element 16:47 of the eye and have the eye. 16:49 You know, so there is the eye, 16:51 there is the flagella, there are many other things. 16:52 You look at DNA, how it replicates itself. 16:55 And though this looking at them 16:57 for a scientific ground, it didn't make sense 17:00 that all these could have come by probability. 17:02 So then all of these academic scientific insights 17:08 that you were getting, it was kind of losing-- 17:11 you're losing faith in the idea 17:14 that we came here by chance. 17:15 Came here by chance. 17:16 And you began to possibly ponder 17:19 the existence of God. Is that correct? 17:21 It's not that sometimes I had doubt. 17:23 I had to say that, God doesn't exist. 17:25 It's not I had completely eliminated 17:28 the possibility of God, 17:30 but it was favoring, certainly the other-- 17:34 The other option wasn't more credible. More credible. 17:37 So how did you go from beginning to doubt 17:41 the sophisticated evolutionary explanations 17:45 to believe in God? 17:48 You know-- Human version. Yes. 17:50 Talking about how God moves people. 17:54 I had friends at school, at a university, 17:57 sixth grade university, they invited me at their group. 18:00 And that's how they reached me. 18:01 They invited me to school-- to church. 18:03 And I remember, I seated in a church 18:05 and there was a downlink series 18:07 and a preacher was talking about Daniel 2. 18:10 Wow, wow. 18:11 So you-- so in other words, you went, 18:13 you are at school? University? Yes. 18:15 And you were invited by-- 18:17 By a student, a fellow student and say, 18:19 "Can you come to our Bible study?" 18:21 And so I went to the Bible study 18:22 and next his invitation was to our church. Okay. 18:25 You know, and so remember it's on the silence search. 18:29 I'm searching, why death? Why life? Why suffering? 18:35 You know, and so when that preacher explained Daniel 2, 18:39 it was interesting because I say, 18:41 "If there is a God, who can predict 500 years from now." 18:45 And exactly the details happened. 18:47 This is the God I want to give my life to, 18:50 because it makes much more sense. That's right. 18:53 And so I went to a local library, 18:56 tried to actually verify what the history of Daniel 2. 19:00 Is it what Daniel says, "Did it happen?" you know, 19:02 you look at, you know, Babylon, 19:04 Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome. 19:06 Did it happen historically? 19:07 I mean, you go to history and it happen 19:09 exactly the same way. 19:11 You know, and so looking at all these, 19:13 it stared affirming, you know, 19:15 the credibility of God and more than that, 19:19 but also the credibility of the Bible. 19:21 Yeah, I know, I like, you know, 19:23 the fact that you've kind of showed us 19:25 how your life has moved from, you know, Africa to here. 19:28 You know, it show us how to deal with the tragedy 19:30 and you've spent a little bit of time on evolution 19:32 and these things and how they connect. 19:34 I like the fact that you bring out 19:36 that that God perhaps allowed these things to happen. 19:39 You go through this experience 19:40 to ultimately lead you to your conversion. 19:43 But what can you, what can you tell 19:45 somebody at home who, you know, 19:48 has experienced tragedy or lost or someway 19:51 that's really, really struggling with that. 19:54 What encouragement you have for them? 19:56 I think, one thing is to find the source of comfort. 20:02 What is the source of comfort? 20:03 You know, we reserve too many things, 20:06 you know, some reserve to drinking, 20:07 some reserve to alcohol, some reserve to smoking, 20:11 others reserve to food, and things like that. 20:13 And so the question is, 20:16 if I'm a Christian, who do I turn to? 20:18 Do I turn to God? You know, and if-- 20:20 as the Bible says that all things workout for the good 20:23 for those who love God, you know. 20:25 If truly everything that happening around my life, 20:28 if God is in control, I must have the faith 20:32 that truly God is in-charge of my life. 20:35 But also coming to that point, 20:36 finding the ultimate source of my comfort. 20:39 You know, I remember like Revelation 4, 20:41 you know, where Jesus reveals Himself and He says, 20:44 "I am the beginning." 20:45 And actually in Greek word is the word "Archaic." 20:48 I'm Archaic, the foundation of everything that ever existed. 20:52 And so it is finding the ultimate certainty in life. 20:56 You know, if that foundation, which even the philosophers 20:59 have been searching for, is Christ. 21:03 And so the response--I don't want to sound mechanically, 21:07 but in reality, it is only Christ that it provides 21:11 the source of comfort for our lives. 21:13 So when you discovered some of these truths, 21:16 Daniel 2 et cetera, particularly the nature of man 21:20 and death and not only the nature of man and the death, 21:22 but also the hope of the resurrection. 21:25 How did you feel with the trauma of losing your parents 21:29 and the discovery that your parents 21:33 are resting in that, there is hope for the few. 21:37 How did--tell me a little bit about that? 21:38 How did you feel? 21:40 I think when you find this grand theme, 21:43 particularly of the Great Controversy, 21:46 finding that there is a war even just beyond ourselves. 21:50 If that, it gives you a framework, 21:52 you know, to think where you are in this particular 21:54 grand scheme of life where am I, 21:57 and how God is working through my life, 21:59 and how God is in? 22:01 So for me, it provided hope that knowing 22:04 that God is in control of everything. 22:07 You know, not only is He-- did He create me? 22:11 But also by a relationship with Him, 22:14 my life finds meaning. 22:16 And that's the most important thing even to any young person. 22:20 Life finding meaning, finding meaning in life, 22:23 you know, and that meaning in life 22:25 can only be found in Christ. 22:27 You know, having that relationship with Christ. 22:29 But also understanding, where is the life headed? 22:32 You know, you look particularly as a Adventist, 22:34 we look at prophecy, and it gives us 22:36 with clear details of where life is headed. 22:39 And look at the events that happening in the world. 22:41 And so for me, if that provided 22:43 more certainty not only in the Bible, 22:46 but also in the existence of God. 22:48 And, of course, looking how God has led in my life. 22:52 You know, looking the prayers that have been answered. 22:55 All these goes more to affirm 22:58 that God's leading in my life, yeah. 23:01 So, Valmy, this is a quite fascinating journey 23:06 that you've been on. Yeah. 23:07 And I think, you know, at one point you probably 23:11 had a lot of frustration and anger, 23:13 and many of us who probably been angry at God 23:16 at some point because, you know, 23:17 God has allowed us to experience these things. 23:20 You know, what is a good outlet for that anger 23:23 and that pent-up emotion? 23:25 You know, what's the healthy way to get rid of that? 23:29 I think once you've, of course, found God 23:31 and you have this relationship with Him is service. 23:35 Serving-- Service? 23:36 Serving others, serving others. 23:39 You know--you know, we build this animosity, 23:42 this hatred towards other. 23:43 It is the nature of evil to build that animosity. 23:48 But I remember Ellen White, I think, in Evangelism she says, 23:51 "The greatest way to resist the evil 23:53 is through aggressive service." Wow. 23:56 You know aggressive service. 23:58 So with so much hatred and all these if we build on it, 24:02 the best way is to serve others. 24:04 Do an evangelistic series. Give a Bible study. 24:07 Do something to reach you to, 24:09 and reach humanity to point them 24:11 to a greater person than themselves, 24:13 to point them to someone like Christ 24:16 who can transform their lives, 24:17 like He has transformed our lives. 24:19 That is the greatest way we can let these things go. 24:21 That I think is a revolutionary idea. 24:24 Because, you know, when something bad happens to us, 24:26 we tend to revel in that experience 24:28 and wish that it happen to somebody else 24:29 who didn't happen at all, but you're saying 24:31 take the focus off ourselves 24:34 and intensely focus on serving somebody else. 24:38 Yes. And you look at also, it is the mono Christ to used 24:41 because when the disciples of John came to Jesus 24:45 and they told Him that John the Baptist has just been beheaded. 24:51 Christ told His disciples, you know, drop everything. 24:54 Let's go. 24:55 They went to a mountain to retreat themselves. 24:57 But as Jesus was headed out into the mountains, 25:00 when He turned around, 25:02 He saw a multitude followed Him 25:04 and that's when He told His disciples, 25:07 tell them to sit down. 25:08 That's the story of feeding the 5,000. 25:10 So even though Christ was pained, 25:12 John the Baptist was His cousin, 25:14 even though He was pained 25:15 by the death of John the Baptist, 25:17 even though He was one esteemed 25:19 above all men, bone of women. 25:22 Christ didn't go just to pray, 25:25 you know, ask God why this happened. 25:28 Instead of doing that He resorted to service, 25:31 to minister to others, and then you realize 25:34 that at the end of feeding the 5,000, Jesus sends now, 25:37 after serving He sends the disciples 25:39 and the multitude away and He starts praying. 25:42 And after prayer that's when He comes walking onward. 25:46 So you find that also it is an example 25:49 that Christ left for us 25:51 that when confronted with tragedy in life, 25:53 when confronted with this anger, these emotions. 25:57 The best way to lead them out is to serve. Yes. 26:01 Wow, that's a--as you said that is quite revolutionary. 26:05 I can resonate, you know, very, very, very little 26:09 with Valmy's experience because I just recently lost my father, 26:11 but I wasn't as close as you were to your father 26:15 and I can definitely see his heart. 26:18 I can definitely say that sometimes 26:20 it doesn't make sense. 26:22 Sometimes there aren't any answers. 26:24 I think when you look at scripture you find Psalms, 26:27 you find the Minor Prophets, 26:29 even inspired prophets in writing, God why? 26:32 Why? He makes us look forward. 26:34 Yeah, even at the cross 26:35 when Jesus was hanging at the cross, 26:36 Jesus said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" 26:39 And I think, it does give us hope 26:41 and that one day when the answers will be revealed. 26:45 Valmy, thank you so much for being here with us, 26:47 sharing this very touching story, 26:49 and Hallelujah for what God has done for your life. 26:52 I think, it is feeding to end on these notes 26:55 because as we are all searching 26:57 for this ultimate hope in life, 26:59 if you look at scripture, throughout scripture, 27:01 the emphasis is on the second coming of Christ. 27:04 The most verses in the New Testament 27:07 are dedicated to the second coming of Christ. 27:09 Even in the Old Testament, 27:10 it was dedicated for the first coming of Christ. 27:13 So the coming of Christ is the ultimate hope. 27:16 Amen. So those that are viewing, 27:18 remember that Jesus is coming again. Till next time. |
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