Participants: Pr. William Lee (Host), Brandon Dent, Colin King PhD
Series Code: FGO
Program Code: FGO000024
00:01 Hi, welcome to "For Guys Only", a program that's designed
00:04 to meet the needs of the urban man. 00:06 I'm Pastor William Lee and I'm so grateful 00:08 that you joined our program on today. 00:10 Today, we're gonna talk about part two of 00:12 "Talk to me about substance abuse in alcohol." 00:16 Stay tuned as we go right into our broadcast. 00:32 All right, gentlemen, 00:33 it's so good to see each one of you 00:34 all here for another broadcast of "For Guys Only." 00:37 I'm so thankful once again that we have 00:39 another great topic for our viewers on today. 00:43 As we get started let's kind of introduce ourselves once again 00:46 and tell our audience a little about yourself 00:49 and then we'll go forward. 00:50 My name is Colin King, I am a clinical psychologist 00:54 and a certified therapist in counseling and substance abuse. 01:00 I have a wonderful wife and two teenagers 01:03 and I'm happy to be in the show today. 01:05 All right, very good. 01:07 Hi, my name is Brandon Dent 01:08 and I am a retired automotive executive, retired early. 01:14 And I'm running my own marketing company now. 01:18 I am married, have been for 27 years. 01:21 I have two grown sons and a teenage daughter at home. 01:24 All right, very good. 01:26 And I'm Pastor William Lee, I pastor at the capital city 01:29 Seventh-day Adventist church in Indianapolis, Indiana. 01:32 Married for eight years, have two children, 01:34 six year old as well as a year and a half year old as well. 01:38 So we're grateful to be here to discuss this topic. 01:42 Dr. King, why don't you give us a word of prayer, get started. 01:44 Father, we are so grateful for this opportunity. 01:47 We are aware that substance abuse is a huge issue 01:51 in our nation and around the world. 01:53 And so we ask Your guidance, we ask Your blessings 01:57 and we pray that we will propose healthy, practical, 02:01 useful solutions in Jesus name, amen. 02:04 Amen. Amen. All right. 02:06 So we kind of want to start for the text today, 02:08 kind of bring our springboard for our discussion today. 02:11 And it comes from 1 Corinthians 6:19, 20, 02:16 where the Word of God reads as such. 02:18 Starts off with a question by saying, "What? 02:20 Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost 02:23 which is in you, which you have of God, 02:26 and you are not your own? 02:28 For you are bought with a price, 02:31 therefore glorify God in your body, 02:33 and in your spirit, which are God's." 02:37 Wow, Bible tells us that, we don't belong to ourselves, 02:39 that we ought to glorify God in our body 02:42 and that our body again is the temple of the Holy Spirit. 02:46 You know, gentlemen in our last broadcast, you know, 02:48 one of the broadcast we talked about a substance abuse 02:51 and alcohol and one of the things 02:52 that we really dealt with was our children. 02:56 And children, you know, are key as in teenagers knowing 03:01 that substance abuse and alcohol 03:03 are detrimental to their health. 03:06 But yet, you know, they still-- 03:08 they still do it, you know, 03:09 they are still drinking across campuses, 03:12 people are, you know, at young age 03:14 we're seeing that they are trying all types of drugs. 03:18 The question I have for you is know-- 03:20 if they know it's so bad why do they continue to do it? 03:24 Why they are still experimenting at this point? 03:27 You know, that's a good question. 03:29 You know, we in our previous talk on this subject matter 03:34 we talked about people who are caught up in addiction 03:38 and you can almost understand 03:43 why someone who is addicted would continue in it. 03:48 But someone who has never started, 03:51 they have all the data and the facts, 03:53 they know it's bad, 03:54 they know it can go somewhere bad. 03:57 It can be a little baffling why they would get started 04:01 on something that they are not even addicted to. 04:05 One of the main answers 04:06 I think we all know and agree to is peer pressure. 04:11 And it's very easy to throw peer pressure out there. 04:14 But sometimes I think we don't fully get 04:18 that it is so strong that it will cause a child 04:22 to do something that they don't even want to do. 04:25 Not interested in doing, for that things sake. 04:30 All right, but it gets transferred, 04:32 their interest gets transferred 04:35 of of the detriment of the drug, 04:37 what they want to do, 04:38 what they know is right or wrong 04:40 and it gets transferred to their social needs. 04:43 Okay. Being accepted. 04:45 You know, it's sort of like it, 04:46 well, I'll hit this thing but I wont inhale. 04:50 Right? Right? Yeah. 04:52 I want these guys to accept me and think I'm a part of them. 04:55 You can see there is a conflict. 04:56 I really don't want to do this thing 04:58 but yet the social dynamics are pulling me into it. 05:02 Okay. Okay, so peer pressure then is one of those main-- 05:05 Main avenues that a kid has been exposed to. 05:08 Yes, and in the experience that I had, personal experience 05:12 comes through my mind when I was-- 05:14 when I was a kid, I was playing football 05:17 with some friends, myself and my brother. 05:20 They didn't go to church 05:22 and we were the so called "church boys." 05:25 And in the huddle they would pull out a joint, 05:28 light it up, pass around when the play was done, 05:32 last guy pulled it out, put it in his pocket. 05:34 The rule was, next huddle 05:36 we had to line up in the same order, right. 05:38 'Cause they would light it up from there 05:39 and keep passing, right. 05:41 And I had decided, you know, we can't-- 05:45 we can't look weak to these guys. 05:48 You know, sometimes looking weaker 05:49 could get you beat up, right. 05:53 Maybe I'll just hit this thing and not inhale, okay. 05:56 When my brother, my brother, my older brother 05:58 who was positive influence on me, he broke the protocol. 06:03 And I'm almost certain that he knew he needed to get 06:07 in front of me in this thing, when I think back on it. 06:11 But he broke the protocol and he lined up out of order, 06:15 before this joint got to me. 06:16 And when it got to him, 06:18 he said, "No, man, we don't do that." 06:20 Okay. We don't do that kind of-- 06:21 "We" he spoke for the both of us. 06:24 So and, you know, I was both disappointed 06:27 and relieved at the same time. All right. 06:29 I said, "Well, he's blown our cover." 06:31 But you know, it's out there now. 06:33 And it's easy-- We don't do that. 06:35 That's right. To stick to my convictions. 06:38 And I think that for me and I look back on it, 06:40 it really speaks to the strong social needs 06:43 that we can have as teenagers that call us into things 06:47 that we don't even want to do. 06:49 You know, I love what you just said about, 06:52 you know, your brother stepped in and he kind of broke it up. 06:55 He broke it out some. 06:56 That's something that our young people 06:58 need to understand, I like that. 07:00 You know, just because everybody is doing something 07:02 doesn't not mean that you have to do it as well. 07:04 Yeah, absolutely. You know, dare to be different. 07:06 Dare to dream, dare to think larger. 07:08 Don't just settle for what everybody else is doing, 07:11 especially when you know better. 07:13 When you know better, do better 07:15 that's what I use to tell all the time. 07:17 Now I want go-- shift a little bit because, 07:19 it's one thing we talk about our teenagers 07:21 experiencing drugs and substance abusing 07:23 and hooked on to that young age. 07:25 But there's another thing for our adults and adults, 07:29 sometimes we mask it you know, even in the church is mass. 07:33 But I think this is a real issue that we find 07:36 in our churches as well, substance abuse and alcohol. 07:41 Talk to me a little bit about adults 07:43 and their-- their habits as well. 07:46 You know, with-- talk to sort of a little different 07:49 even though some of the issues are the same 07:51 because there is also peer pressure with adults also. 07:55 But there is a lot of social cues, 07:58 you know, adults go to various functions. 08:02 You know, especially if you are in the entertainment business, 08:05 you know, we see this in Hollywood. 08:08 And we see this at wedding receptions 08:10 and parties and so on and so forth. 08:13 We're-- the thing is this is what you do, 08:16 you know, they are not drinking too excess. 08:19 You know, they're just having a toast. 08:21 They are just doing something under down below and why not. 08:27 And so adults fall into that same trap 08:30 and have to use some of the same strategies 08:32 that Brandon's brother used because we know that 08:38 in some studies about 10% of people 08:41 who try substances will become addicted to it. 08:45 And the problem is you just don't know 08:47 if you are part of that 10%. 08:50 And so why want to risk when you know 08:53 how far reaching their consequences could be. 08:57 And, you know, only recently 08:59 we've had a number of public figures, celebrities 09:05 who were fallen prey to some of these substances. 09:10 And the problem is, you know, 09:11 as we mentioned in the earlier broadcast, 09:13 once you get on and the drug hijacks your pleasure center. 09:18 There is no telling where it's gonna end up. 09:21 That's right. You have no idea. 09:23 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 09:24 You know, just drinking alcohol alone just, you know-- 09:27 I have never drunk, I never drunk before 09:29 and I'm proud to say that, but just looking at 09:32 you know, someone, you know, that's drunk, 09:35 you know, just walk down the street, just sloppy drunk, 09:37 you know, they cant walk, they can't process, 09:40 you know, they start to seeing stuff that, 09:41 you know, it's not there and lot of times 09:43 they just make poor decisions 09:45 so many times when you are drinking. 09:46 You know, women start looking better, so to speak. 09:49 When you're drinking you are just out of your mind. 09:51 So talk a little bit about being 09:53 about the psychological effects 09:56 of this chronic imbalance that's happening. 09:59 You know, we know that some of these drugs for instance 10:03 like alcohol and by the way, alcohol is a drug. 10:06 Okay. Some people don't see it as a drug. 10:09 But the definition of a drug is anything 10:11 that is mind or mood altering. 10:15 So alcohol falls in that category, 10:17 it's not a stimulant. 10:18 It depresses the central nervous system. 10:21 And so that is why ordinarily people are not able 10:24 to do certain things or say certain things. 10:27 But once they begin to take a drink, 10:29 now they become disinhibited. 10:32 So it's easier to see and do certain things 10:35 and you're right, you know, women look different to the guy 10:38 who is under the influence of substances. 10:42 And so those are some of the pitfalls. 10:46 I don't know if I've answered your question but... 10:49 Yeah, I think that is key. 10:51 Brandon, again you mentioned before, 10:53 you know, your brother stepping in 10:55 and I think that's absolutely critical. 10:57 Talk about the need for us as men to step in to other men, 11:04 other brothers who we see are going down a different-- 11:08 a negative track as well. 11:09 How important is that? It's very important. 11:11 As a matter of fact it's in the Word of God. 11:13 He said, you know, well-- 11:16 I'll put it this way with Cain and Abel all right, 11:19 Cain said "Am I my brother's keeper?" 11:21 The implication really is that you are. 11:24 We are our brother's keeper. 11:27 And so when we see that our brother is struggling 11:30 or in trouble, we have a moral, spiritual, 11:35 and ethical obligation to try and step in and help in 11:39 as much as that help is welcomed and appreciated. 11:44 Obviously you can't force something 11:47 that someone does not want. 11:49 But it's very important when the Bible talks about 11:55 that the people of God should not 11:57 forsake their gathering together. 12:00 And we talked about that on a previous episode. 12:03 We talked about the support and the surety 12:06 that we can be to each other 12:09 and we come to these situations 12:12 in all kinds of different places. 12:14 But God has always equipped someone 12:16 to minister to someone else. 12:18 And if He has equipped me today, it's my obligation. 12:23 It's my divine obligation to get in motion 12:26 and do that work and minister to my brother. 12:28 I agree with Brandon 12:29 and as we get in to do the work, 12:32 you know, we need to come with solutions, 12:35 because sometimes we don't quite understand 12:39 the struggles of the addicted person. 12:42 Because what they are doing is totally irrational. 12:45 Like you know that your marriage is on the rock, 12:48 you know that you're about to lose your job. 12:50 You know that you're spending too much money 12:53 chasing the drug or trying to find pleasure. 12:56 So those things are totally irrational. 12:59 But the person maintained those habit 13:02 and sometimes it's easy to kind of want to condemn 13:06 that person or the activity without fully getting a grasp 13:09 as to what this person is dealing with. 13:12 So we've got to be prepared to come with solutions. 13:15 You know, how do I help this person? 13:18 So it may mean as a lay person I may have to educate myself. 13:22 What are some of the physical consequences 13:25 for instance of substance abuse, 13:28 cirrhosis of the liver, 13:30 that's a huge one 13:31 and if you have ever seen anyone 13:33 with cirrhosis of the liver, it's not a pretty sight. 13:36 Their abdomen is swollen because the liver 13:40 now is retaining water and is not functioning 13:43 and is essentially becoming hardened. 13:47 You know, those are some natural consequences. 13:49 High blood pressure, it's one of the big killers among people 13:53 and among people of African descent. 13:57 Heart disease, stroke and as we discussed earlier, 14:01 alcohol and other drugs 14:02 restrict blood flow to the brain. 14:06 So there is an early onset of dementia and Alzheimer's. 14:10 So when we come with information 14:12 and solution to help the person to understand, 14:15 this is not worth it. 14:17 You know, a moment of pleasure 14:19 for a life time of pain is not worth it. 14:22 Okay. You're right. 14:23 You know, that reminds of a situation I had 14:25 with a neighbor, a young guy, he and I-- 14:30 he wanted to have a discussion with me about whether or not 14:35 from a religious stand point, it was okay to drink 14:38 as long if you didn't get sloppy drunk. 14:41 I mean, in his Christian faith, they could drink casually. 14:46 And he didn't take too kindly to my position. 14:52 And so we just agreed to disagree. 14:55 It was quite interesting that Alice and I-- 14:59 we moved and we kept in touch. 15:03 And about five years later he called me to tell me 15:09 that his father had passed from cirrhosis of the liver 15:13 and he over did the drinking piece 15:16 and that was-- you know his end. 15:19 I mean, he was so broken, 15:21 of course I had to really fight everything I had 15:24 within me to try and restart that subject matter, 15:28 or to not restart it in a way that might be inappropriate 15:31 or offensive or its bad timing. 15:35 But it was kind of interesting, his father was in the 60s 15:38 and he always regarded the health of my father 15:41 who was a lot older, probably 15 years older than his father. 15:46 And I have to sometimes wonder if some of that conversation 15:51 that we had five years earlier came back to them, 15:54 I would like to think that the Holy Ghost 15:56 brought some of that back to them. 15:58 Okay, okay. That's good. 16:01 Let's just talk about this little bit as well, the-- 16:03 the challenge again with our church members face, 16:07 this is a topic that typically we don't-- 16:11 we don't hear a lot about. 16:12 You know, we-- we, you know, members come in 16:15 and you have no idea, you know, what's in their cabinets. 16:18 You know, what's in their homes 16:20 and we're gonna talk about this a lot. 16:22 Talk about the recovery stage or the help stage once again, 16:25 other programs, you know, 16:27 I know people hear about like a 12 step program. 16:30 Is there a parallel connection 16:31 between 12 steps and biblical spirituality? 16:34 You know, how should we get help? 16:38 You know, talk about that a little bit as well. 16:39 You know, one of the things that we've got to realize I'm-- 16:43 when I say we, I'm talking not about church folk, 16:46 it's that we don't get to design our pleasure centers. 16:51 You know, we did not get to design our brain structure. 16:54 Those were given to us by God. 16:57 And so it is reasonable to assume 17:00 because we didn't design it 17:02 that there are substances that could hijack it. 17:06 So irrespective of whether you are a Christian 17:09 or a non-Christian or what religion you belong to, 17:12 you are vulnerable. 17:14 And so we've got to realize as a church 17:17 that there is a high probability 17:19 that we have a number of members who are hurting. 17:21 And so we've got to be solutions focused. 17:24 So that's-- that's one stance. 17:27 The other one is that the church has Jesus. 17:31 You know, we believe in God 17:32 and we believe that God can help us. 17:35 We also need to understand that your outside resources 17:39 that God can lead us to utilize. 17:41 For instance you mentioned a 12 step program, 17:44 which really is found to have a high degree of success. 17:47 It actually parallels the principles of the Bible. 17:51 You know, I am powerless. This drug is greater than me. 17:56 There is a power greater than myself. 17:59 And I need to be honest with myself 18:01 and I need to turn it over to God. 18:03 I have never forgotten an experience I had while running 18:06 some substance abuse groups in one of the inner cities. 18:10 This young man was caught using and trafficking crack cocaine. 18:15 And so he went before the judge 18:18 and it actually was his second offence. 18:21 And so the judge said to him three strikes and you are out. 18:27 He said, "If I ever see you in my court again, 18:31 I'm gonna give you 18 years 18:33 and that's from your last offence 18:36 and then I'm gonna sentence you 18:37 from your current offence, okay. 18:41 And I'm thinking, wow, that should be a deterrent. Okay. 18:46 So he went before the judge again 18:49 and he was sentenced to prison, but the judge was lenient. 18:54 The judge gave him I think about a year and a half 18:57 and gave him the same speech. 18:59 I happened to have picked him up when he was released 19:02 and that very night he was hitting the crack pipe again. 19:07 Wow. 19:08 So that's how powerful and seductive the drug is. 19:13 And so we have got to develop a network 19:18 that is geared towards helping people. 19:20 So if the resources are not available in the church 19:24 and they are available outside the church, 19:27 then we need to utilize those resources, 19:30 the expertise of people. 19:32 Some people may need a trial of medication 19:34 to help with the cravings. 19:37 You know, before they are strong enough 19:39 to kind of break that habit. 19:41 Okay, so there is a-- okay the 12 step program then, 19:44 you know, resources, name-- give us some more avenues. 19:48 You know, counseling. Counseling okay. 19:50 Counseling you know, we-- especially as men we feel 19:53 that if we have to go to counsel 19:55 and there is something wrong with us. 19:56 You know, if there is some type of weakness in us 19:59 and we should not be doing that but certainly there is 20:01 a number of substance abuse counselors who are available. 20:06 For some people, they may have to go into a treatment program 20:10 for an extended time, so they can be physically removed 20:15 from the cues in the environment, 20:17 before they can be strong again. 20:20 Some people need a support of network 20:23 in the church of prayer warriors. 20:26 People praying for them, people encouraging them, 20:29 people cheering them on. 20:30 So it should be sort of a multi faceted approach 20:34 as opposed to just saying, I'm just gonna pray to God 20:36 and everything is gonna be all right. 20:38 Okay. Okay. 20:39 That was the point that support group within the church 20:46 and the reason why I think that's a very strategic piece 20:49 is because the church has a unique challenge in that 20:54 because of everything that it stands for. 20:57 All right, the person that is abusing 21:00 substances or alcohol or drugs is gonna hide. 21:06 So you've got to first figure that out. 21:09 Now when there is and when I say support group, 21:13 it starts with just basic relationships in the church. 21:17 And through those relationships you can begin to learn 21:20 and uncover some things and realize that your brothers 21:23 is in trouble, your sister is in trouble 21:25 and that they may need some help. 21:27 But that whole relationship piece is huge. 21:30 Because of this particular dynamic of, 21:34 you know, that's associated with church. 21:37 Okay. All right, Good, good, good. 21:39 I want, you know, 21:40 brother you had to be honest though with yourself. 21:42 Let's talk with that honesty piece again that, 21:45 recognizing, I think like the first step 21:47 in the 12 step program is that, hey, I have a problem. 21:49 There is something that's going on that I need help with. 21:52 And we may ask the issues, 21:54 we only create a deeper problem. 21:56 I want to-- I want to share with you a-- 21:58 and our viewers a-- 22:00 it's called the Autobiography in Five Chapters. 22:03 It's written by author by the name of Portia Nelson. 22:07 And Portia Nelson is very profound, she says this. 22:10 This is her Autobiography of Five Short Chapters, 22:13 chapter 1 says, she says, "I walked down the street. 22:16 There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in. 22:19 I am lost, I am helpless. It isn't my fault. 22:23 It takes me forever to find my way out." 22:26 Chapter 2 says, "I walk down the same street. 22:28 There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. 22:30 I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again. 22:34 I can't believe I am in the same place. 22:37 But it isn't my fault. 22:38 It still takes a long time to get out." 22:40 Chapter 3, she says, "I walk down the same street. 22:43 There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. 22:45 I see it there. 22:47 I still fall in, it's a habit by now. 22:51 My eyes are open. I know where I am. 22:54 It is my fault. 22:56 And this time I get out immediately." 22:59 Chapter 4 says, "I walk down the same street. 23:02 There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. 23:04 This time I walk around it." There you go. 23:08 Chapter 5, the last chapter says, 23:10 oh, I got it "I walked down another street." 23:15 I walk down another street now. 23:16 And you said pour me that our biography of five chapters 23:19 into say that a lot of times 23:21 the reason why we don't have victory, 23:23 the reason why we keep on, you know, 23:25 going to substance abuse and alcohol 23:28 or eating certain foods or whatever you're-- 23:31 it is-- it's because we keep on walking down 23:34 the same street over and over again. 23:36 You keep falling in the hole and then you say, 23:40 well, it's not my fault but you got to come 23:42 to the realization that it is. 23:44 There are some things that you haven't done, 23:46 there are some things that have been in your background 23:48 that has happened and then victory does come 23:51 when you take ownership and say, 23:53 "You know what, it is my fault." 23:54 And I'm gonna make a deliberate decision not to walk down 23:58 that same street but hey, there are many other roads 24:00 that we can journey on, 24:01 many other paths that we can go on. 24:03 And to obtain victory 24:05 I think that's absolutely critical for us. 24:08 Yeah, also what I like about that is the person didn't go 24:12 from falling into the hole the first time 24:15 to walking down the street the very next time. 24:19 They were honest about the process 24:21 that they went through. 24:23 The denial piece, the excuses, habit. Right. 24:26 As they said, but they-- they acknowledged 24:30 this process that we go through as humans. 24:34 But they stayed on a path that eventually got them to victory. 24:38 Okay, all right. 24:39 Let's kind of, talk about that 24:40 in the last two and a half minutes or so. 24:42 Let's talk about that victory, you know, we always believe 24:45 as Christians that there is victory in Jesus Christ. 24:48 And we say that with everything no matter 24:51 whether it's substance abuse, whether it's alcohol, 24:53 whether it's overeating, blast whatever-- 24:56 you know, whatever you're-- it is again. 24:58 We always believe that there is victory. 25:01 Now we don't take away of course going to counseling 25:03 and getting help and everything else 25:05 but let's talk about you know, 25:08 what should our step be to obtain this victory in Christ 25:12 as He wants to deliver us 25:13 because we have seen in the Bible, 25:15 we see Christ deliver demoniacs 25:18 who that were possessed with demons, 25:20 we see people that issues blood, you know, 25:21 God does amazing things, you know, 25:24 how then do we position ourselves 25:27 to obtain the victory from Christ. 25:29 I understand that this thing is bigger than I'm, 25:33 I'm powerless, I need to turn to someone bigger than I am 25:39 and the only person that I know is Jesus Christ 25:42 and Jesus Christ doesn't always 25:45 instantaneously perform a miracle. 25:48 You know, some as I mentioned before He may lead us 25:50 to significant people or significant pathways 25:54 or to different streets. 25:55 All right. 25:56 So that we reviver how we think and we reviver how we feel 26:02 and how we behave and also to understand that 26:06 with some folk it's gonna be an ongoing struggle 26:09 for some folks its gonna be a day by day experience 26:13 and as we realized we got to stay close to Jesus Christ 26:17 and that in and of itself is victorious. 26:20 That's good, that's good. Brandon? 26:21 Yeah, I would also say, flank yourself with some folks 26:24 who have your best interest spiritually in mind. 26:28 They could be people who have maybe been down that path 26:30 and gotten victory 26:32 so they can provide good advice, good council. 26:35 There may be people who have never gone down that path 26:38 but have your interest at the top of buying 26:42 and also see above that these people need to be spiritually, 26:46 they need to be able to be resolute in their, 26:50 their relationship with Jesus Christ. 26:53 And so if you hang out with these people 26:57 that thing becomes contagious. 27:00 And people who can be real, be real. 27:04 Because this is real hard for you to come along 27:07 if you're being drug along by people 27:09 who you see as next to God. 27:14 You immediately give yourself at excuses 27:16 and say, I can't be like that. 27:18 So people need to be real as well. 27:20 Good, good, good. 27:22 I love the Word of God because it gives you so much hope. 27:25 You know the Bible says, "We can do all things 27:28 through Christ who gives us strength." 27:30 You know, no matter what way it is 27:32 we can, we can obtain victory. 27:33 The Bible says without me though Jesus says in John 15:5 27:37 without Me, you can do absolutely nothing. 27:41 The reality is that when we submit ourselves to God, 27:44 I tell you what God does so much work. 27:46 The Bible says is God that works in you both to will 27:49 and to do His good pleasure. 27:51 There's no doubt in my mind that when you give yourself 27:54 to Christ as you submit to Him every similar day Paul says, 27:57 crucify with Christ is no longer 27:59 I that live but God that lives in me. 28:02 I challenge you submit to Him 28:04 and see what God would do in your life. 28:06 I'm Pastor William Lee until next time 28:08 may God richly bless you as you continue 28:10 to put your hand in the hand of our God. |
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