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00:01 Have you ever felt that you were hanging
00:02 at the end of a rope and then the rope broke, 00:04 and then you were falling into a dark black hole? 00:07 The Bible says in the Book of Deuteronomy 33:27, 00:11 "That underneath are the everlasting arms." 00:15 Underneath your fall are God's arms right now. 00:35 Welcome to our final program. 00:36 This is part three of a three part series called 00:39 Finding hope in the midst of Depression and Despair. 00:42 My guest has been and still is Christy Christopher. 00:45 She's a nurse in Dallas. 00:48 She's also a medical assistant for Dr. Neil Nedley, 00:51 for his world famous recovering 00:54 from anxiety and depression program 00:56 at Weimar, California in Northern California. 00:59 So, Christy, here we are, we're back again. 01:01 Hello. Hello, hello. 01:03 It's been a good day. Yes. 01:04 We've already done two programs, 01:06 and this is number three. 01:07 That's right. 01:09 And I want to start out by going back to the verse 01:11 that I just read a little bit ago 01:13 from Deuteronomy 33:27, 01:16 "The eternal God is your refuge, 01:19 and underneath are the everlasting arms." 01:22 And then the rest of the verse or the next part says, 01:25 "And he shall thrust out the enemy from before you." 01:30 And I think we can both relate to this. 01:32 I know we can that in your battle with depression, 01:36 and, you know, temptation, 01:38 suicidal temptations and medications, 01:41 which I've dealt with the same things. 01:43 I think we've... 01:45 It's safe to say that we've both found 01:47 that the key to getting through these trials 01:52 and this darkness was a supernatural, 01:55 supernatural health. 01:56 The Lord is the one that has brought us through, 02:00 you know, I know that in my life for sure and... 02:03 Absolutely, same. 02:04 Do you feel like your struggles have brought you closer to God? 02:07 I do, it shows that in those depths of despair, 02:12 in those pits that I felt I was in, 02:16 he was in there with me. 02:18 And he not only brought me out much like he did for you, 02:22 but established on something as a firm foundation 02:26 to keep going back to and to keep trusting, 02:29 knowing that He is always been there. 02:31 He never left, He's been more all the time. 02:34 Yeah, isn't that, you know, like, you've heard the story, 02:36 the classic story; I've seen it on a poster on walls. 02:38 And I actually, my daughter gave me, 02:41 gave me a little poster that I put on the wall 02:43 in my bedroom, about the two steps, 02:46 the two sets of footprints, 02:47 where there's two steps 02:51 or two sets of footprints on the sand by the water. 02:55 And someone describes 02:56 how he goes through all these trials, 02:58 and then he looked back 02:59 and there was only one set of footprints. 03:02 So he prayed and he said, "Dear God, I thought you said 03:05 you'd never leave me, you know, how come I was walking alone 03:08 during those really dark times." 03:10 And then the end of the little saying, 03:13 is God speaking and he says, "My child, there was only 03:16 one set of footprints because those were mine, 03:19 and I was carrying you. 03:21 Oh, that's profound. 03:22 And, yeah. 03:24 And know that that's a very famous paragraph 03:27 that's really touched a lot of people. 03:29 And I can really relate to that, that... 03:32 I don't think I would have made it through those, 03:35 getting off the lorazepam 03:38 and, you know, going through two weeks of withdrawals 03:40 and feeling just a sense of darkness and hopelessness 03:45 and, you know, no light at the end of the tunnel 03:49 and yet just clinging. 03:51 I felt like my rope had broken and I was falling 03:53 and I just said, Lord, 03:54 I'm gonna trust in You no matter what. 03:58 And I know that it was God that brought me through. 04:01 Do you think most of the people that you work with 04:03 at Dr. Nedley's program? 04:07 Do you attribute their recovery as you watch people's recovery? 04:12 I mean, I know that hydrotherapy 04:14 which they teach at the Nedley program 04:16 is very important. 04:17 Water treatments, hot and cold showers, 04:18 and nutrition and exercise, and all these other things. 04:22 But where does prayer come into this? 04:25 And where does God come into this 04:27 and how much of a component is the supernatural ability 04:33 of the Lord to help us through these times of trial? 04:37 It's only by His power; 04:39 I believe that any of us have any strength 04:42 to overcome anything like this. 04:44 I know, I could have never done it on my own. 04:47 I had to call out to Him and take His strength 04:50 and just lean into what He could do. 04:53 And look away from self or what I thought I could do on my own 04:57 because that's when I would fail. 04:58 And so basically just taking on that surrender 05:02 was where that came to place for my life is, 05:06 it seems almost like that doesn't make sense, 05:09 like it's counter intuitive to surrender, 05:11 then you get strength. 05:13 But that's what it was when I had it. 05:15 I've seen other participants have the same 05:16 because it seems to be a struggle 05:19 with trying to figure everything out and trying 05:21 to take things on and you know, trying to achieve 05:24 health and healing on one's own and most of the people 05:28 that try that end up in the program, 05:29 so I know that doesn't work. 05:32 Didn't work for me anyway, so. 05:33 So why do you think it, 05:35 it's so hard 05:37 for people to surrender and trust God, 05:41 that He can bring us through whatever we go through? 05:44 I can't speak for everyone else but for me, it just was a... 05:50 It had probably part of it to do with pride, 05:53 thinking that I could figure it out professionally, 05:56 and you know, working in healthcare, 05:58 and then realizing that I couldn't 06:01 and so I can't speak for everyone else. 06:03 But it seems to be that that willingness to accept help 06:08 from people that may know more, 06:09 or have more expertise in a certain area and trusting 06:12 what they have that God's given them 06:14 a certain area that they're good at. 06:17 So let them kind of teach what would work best. 06:21 So, it's... 06:23 Yeah, there does come a time, a time when we need like, 06:25 there's a Bible verse, it says, 06:26 "In the multitude of counselors, 06:28 there is safety." 06:29 And there comes a time when we need to, 06:31 you know, stop relying on ourselves, 06:33 rely on God and on the people that He sends to us. 06:37 Right. Exactly. 06:38 I know, that's what happened with Dr. Nedley. 06:40 I mean, God brought me to Weimar, 06:42 so I could learn from this man 06:44 and I could go through the program, 06:46 and I could have the support of different people 06:48 like Nathan Hyde, Nathan, and I really connected. 06:51 And he just, he was just there for me. 06:54 I can't tell you how many times we took walks together. 06:57 And he was just, you know, there as a sympathetic friend. 07:01 And the thing about Nathan 07:03 is that he was always encouraging me. 07:05 He's like, 07:07 the, you know, the incorrigible enthusiast. 07:11 There's just nothing that fazes him 07:13 and every time I would describe something, 07:15 you know, I just had this, 07:17 I had a terrible night, or this just happened, 07:18 this has happened 07:20 and I've taken all these thoughts. 07:21 He'd say, "You'll get through this. 07:23 Don't worry, you'll be fine. 07:24 You will get through this." 07:25 He just kept telling me that and it really encouraged me. 07:29 That's awesome. 07:31 And there, we just, you know, we need encouragement 07:32 and I don't know, I think pride, 07:34 like you said, is one of the big reasons. 07:36 I think another reason why it's hard to surrender 07:38 is because we know intuitively that there are things 07:40 we have to give up. 07:41 No, it's true. 07:43 If we're gonna really make a surrender 07:44 of our lives to God, then this bad habit, 07:46 this bad habit, this bad habit, 07:48 we can't continue to, you know, hold on to those things, 07:52 and walk with God at the same time. 07:54 Yeah, people want to hear good news 07:55 about their bad habits. 07:56 Yeah, yeah. 07:58 And there is good news, and the good news 07:59 is that we don't have to hold on to our bad habits. 08:01 We can get the victory over our bad habits, 08:04 and the God loves us in spite of our bad habits, 08:07 you know, those are all, those are all good things. 08:10 Why don't you share with us some of the stories, 08:13 you know, now that you went to Weimar 08:16 originally as an attendee, as a participant, 08:20 as, you know, someone that needed to get out 08:23 from underneath drugs and depression 08:25 and all the things that you went through? 08:27 And now that the Lord 08:30 has brought you through all this, 08:31 He's brought you back, and Dr. Nedley 08:33 has brought you on to his team. 08:35 And now he's using you to help others. 08:38 Does he do this with a lot of people 08:40 that come through his program? 08:42 He's done it with a few 08:44 that are willing to stick with the program. 08:46 There's kind of a trial period, 08:48 you know, you have to get through the 20 weeks 08:51 and make it to the other side, 08:52 so to speak, and then be consistent, 08:54 but he's done that with a couple others. 08:57 Namely, there's one nurse that works for him 09:00 that really struggled with an opiate addiction. 09:03 And she was on I think, a $2,000 a day habit. 09:08 Or maybe it was weekly, I could be overshooting, 09:11 but she actually now works with in his clinic. 09:15 And she had a miraculous turnaround. 09:18 I came, you know, 09:19 she came through one of the programs 09:20 I was the nurse for, 09:22 and her transformation 09:24 was like night and day and then to see her happy 09:27 and healthy and free of all these addictions 09:30 and serving God, 09:32 and now she's a big prayer warrior. 09:35 She's really into the Word, 09:37 and encouragement and a lighthouse 09:39 to a lot of other people. 09:41 And it's been such a blessing to see her improvement 09:44 to see where she's at. 09:46 So it's been really nice to see, 09:47 that's just one of thousands. 09:48 Give her a fictitious name. 09:50 Just pick a name? 09:52 I will call her Susan. 09:53 Okay, Susan. 09:54 So does she now still work with Dr. Nedley? 09:56 She does. She does? 09:57 She does, and she loves the program just like, 10:00 you know, I do and the other staff do. 10:02 And she's a great encouragement to a lot of other participants, 10:06 and she is allowed to tell her testimony. 10:09 And it's very pertinent with this day and age 10:11 with the opiate epidemic that's been happening 10:14 in our country to basically shed light on that topic 10:17 and to bring other people away from that, that habit. 10:20 So she's been a very strong leader. 10:22 So it's been nice to see. 10:24 What can you just tell us any more details about her 10:26 from what you know, 10:27 did she grew up in a Christian home? 10:30 Or did she go through her teenage 10:32 wandering years like you? 10:33 She was more of a wander, like, 10:36 we have some similarities definitely, in our stories, 10:40 but different backgrounds a little bit with childhood, 10:44 I don't believe she grew up in quite 10:46 if Christian of a home. 10:48 So there was some, 10:50 some discord in the family and her family. 10:52 So she grew up with a little bit 10:54 of a more difficult childhood. 10:56 But she was still maintained, 10:58 or she left the faith for a while 11:00 and then now she's back. 11:02 So a little bit different, 11:03 but some of the similar struggles with addictions, so. 11:07 And she went through the whole program as well? 11:09 She did, yeah. 11:10 And she did really well. 11:11 She continues to do really well, so. 11:13 Were you there when she was going through it? 11:14 You were. Yeah. 11:16 So you saw the whole transformation? 11:17 I did, yeah from start to finish. 11:20 She didn't ask for a lot of things, 11:24 she kind of flew under the radar 11:25 and then as time went on, as time goes on, 11:28 you can kind of see where people are at 11:30 whether or not they show you, 11:31 you can just tell with behaviors and things 11:33 and she made a pretty big turnaround, 11:36 because at first she wasn't as engaged. 11:39 And then she got more into things and was willing 11:41 to surrender more and more and like you said, 11:43 it's giving up 11:45 that you get more back and you get more healing 11:47 when you're willing to surrender those bad things. 11:50 Because God will replace those things, 11:53 at least I've seen with something better. 11:56 And so you have to replace the bad habits 11:58 with something good to keep it lasting, so. 12:02 Yeah, you can't just take away the bad 12:04 and if you don't replace it then... 12:05 Right. 12:07 You have nothing to keep you going. 12:08 Right, right, to fill that time. 12:11 Can you think of any other, any other stories? 12:14 Okay, let's... 12:16 We'll call him Paul. 12:17 Okay. Just to protect him. 12:19 But he is a, 12:21 was at least coming to the front 12:22 of my house supervisor at a hospital setting, 12:25 and had a very strong anger problem. 12:28 And so almost lost his job 12:30 over getting into basically a face to face, 12:36 or say combat like argument with a physician, 12:39 and in his position that wasn't a very wise move. 12:43 So he almost lost his job. 12:45 He came through the program, 12:46 he had a pretty tumultuous marriage, 12:50 had strained relationship with his kids, 12:53 angry with, throw things just, you know, kind of volatile. 12:57 Walked with him around the track 12:59 and we really connected 13:01 that we had similarities with addictions as well. 13:04 So we were able to commiserate there. 13:06 He also is a nurse and now he's getting promotions. 13:10 His anger problem has very much lessened, 13:14 I think he got remarried to his wife, 13:17 like they renewed their vows, 13:18 and has a really good relationship 13:20 with his family. 13:22 And so a lot of these issues really center on relationships 13:28 is what I've kind of seen. 13:29 And when those are built, 13:31 a lot of other things fall into place, 13:33 the first one being your relationship with God, 13:35 and then everything else, 13:36 seek you first the kingdom of God 13:38 and all these things shall be added unto you, 13:39 and then all the other things fall into place. 13:41 So he had a miraculous turnaround. 13:43 He's come back for EQ summits and... 13:46 And what's an E... 13:47 Most people don't know what is an EQ summit? 13:49 Emotional intelligence summit that Dr. Nedley 13:52 has every year at Weimar. 13:53 And so, he'll bring in guest speakers and testimonies 13:56 and professionals to come speak on pertinent topics, 14:00 mostly evidence based, 14:02 and so it's just kind of like 14:06 a big seminar to try to learn and get CEUs 14:08 and continued education and things like that. 14:11 Isn't an emotional intelligence summit 14:13 isn't the basic idea behind that is that, 14:15 that we shouldn't be governed by our emotions, 14:17 we shouldn't be governed by our feelings. 14:19 Yes. 14:20 We should be governed by our thinking 14:21 and the thinking needs to be true thinking. 14:23 Right. 14:24 That's based on evidence, 14:25 and especially based on the Bible. 14:27 Right. 14:28 So if we can, we can retrain our minds not to, you know, 14:31 think we're lost just because we feel discouraged 14:35 or feel bad, or we don't have a good day, 14:38 hence we wake up and you know, 14:39 we wake up on the wrong side of bed 14:40 and we think maybe I'm lost today. 14:43 And so instead of being, you know, 14:44 blown back and forth by our feelings, 14:48 we kind of put a check on those 14:50 and we say that's, this does not make sense. 14:52 Right. 14:54 I'm gonna follow the truth. Yeah. 14:55 The truth is based on the book, based on the Word. 14:58 Yeah, that really helped me a lot. 15:00 That's the part, as you know, 15:02 part of the program at Weimar is called CBT. 15:06 Yes. Explain that a little bit? 15:07 So CBT, it's the basis 15:09 of cognitive behavioral therapy. 15:11 That's what CBT stands for. 15:14 And it's the basis of crooked thinking 15:17 versus straight thinking. 15:19 So crooked thinking would be A to C, like, say, 15:23 you had an argument with your son, 15:25 then that made you feel bad. 15:28 So that's A to C. 15:29 But in there, as you add a B, A to B to C thinking, 15:32 that's a belief. 15:34 And if you change that belief, 15:36 then you can change the consequences. 15:37 And so, it has a lot more to do with 15:39 what we're telling ourselves with our self talk, 15:42 than even what's happening to us. 15:44 So if you can change yourself talk and you can, 15:47 what they call in the program, 15:48 reframe has a lot to do with neuroplasticity. 15:52 And the Lord made our brains plastic. 15:55 And so it's more moldable. 15:57 So you, you think of like a ski run, 16:00 and you go under that same track 16:02 over and over again, 16:03 and it becomes well worn 16:05 to where if you go down the ski ramp, 16:07 you're gonna go down 16:08 into that pathway almost automatically. 16:10 Well, if you want to think differently, 16:12 you have to keep skiing on a new path, 16:14 and that's fresh powder, 16:15 and you have to keep going down that new path, 16:17 it's not going to feel normal, 16:19 it's going to feel like writing with your non-dominant hand. 16:21 But eventually, one day, it's just going to click, 16:24 and it's going to be harder to go back 16:25 to the old negative pathway. 16:27 So that's the beauty, 16:29 the way God made us 16:30 is that we can pick a new better way to think 16:32 and we never have to go back to that old way. 16:35 And so that's, that's the basis of EQ and CBT 16:39 and it can be learned, it's not inherited like IQ, 16:42 or it's not something fixed, 16:44 it's something that can be taught, 16:46 which is really good news 16:47 for a lot of people who are suffering. 16:49 So the neuroplasticity has to do with the, 16:52 the neurons in the brain, 16:54 getting into like a ski, the ski illustration. 16:57 You get into a rut of thinking in a certain way 17:01 over and over and over and over again and those, 17:03 those negative thoughts make you feel terrible. 17:07 Right. 17:09 And so you get into this, you know, into this spiral. 17:12 Right. 17:13 And then if there's, like you said, 17:14 A to C if there's an action, 17:16 the A is the activating event, right? 17:18 If there's an event around us that comes against us, 17:21 we don't necessarily have to feel bad about it. 17:26 It depends on how we think about it. 17:28 Right. 17:30 How we think about that event, if we think differently, 17:32 and if we think in a different rut. 17:33 Right. 17:35 So we're starting to just basically think positive that, 17:37 you know, if you lose your job, it's not the end of the world. 17:39 Right. 17:40 You know, yes, it's, it's not good. 17:42 But I can get through this. 17:44 Right. 17:45 And so you just learn, 17:46 and God can help me and it's going to be okay. 17:48 Right. 17:49 God is with me, He can help me. 17:51 That He has other options, He has many. 17:53 As a friend of mine once said, he said, 17:54 I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed 17:57 and so I think, well, God has many tools in His shed, 18:00 He's got all kinds of tools 18:01 and He can if it's, you know, it's not this option. 18:04 He's got this, this, this, this, 18:05 and this, got all kinds of options. 18:07 Yeah. 18:08 So we need to learn to have faith 18:09 and trust Him and realize 18:11 that He's got a lot of options at His fingertips. 18:13 And so we slowly learn how to trust and develop 18:18 new patterns of thinking, 18:19 which then help us to feel better. 18:21 Exactly. 18:22 So we're not so depressed 18:24 or discouraged or down or whatever. 18:25 Right. 18:27 Any other any other stories before we get into some more 18:29 of the practical resources, people that are watching, 18:32 so that, you know, they can take away from this 18:36 not just that, well, it helped them. 18:38 But how can it help me? 18:40 Right, right. 18:41 So any other stories? 18:42 Yeah, there's one kind of recent 18:44 that we'll just call her Jane, 18:48 came through the program 18:50 and she was very perfectionistic, 18:52 very perfection 18:54 and there's positive sides to perfection. 18:55 I'm not saying anything about that. 18:57 You know, usually perfectionists really 18:59 are very well ordered and get things done, 19:01 but very hard on themselves. 19:03 Yeah, that sounds like me. 19:06 Yeah, I'm pretty organized. 19:08 But if I don't, yeah, 19:09 I can be hard on myself 19:11 if I don't perform to what I think I should be doing. 19:14 Right, right. 19:15 And so there's a lot of should and musts, 19:17 which become demands in our own minds, 19:20 or it can become demands in a perfectionist mind, 19:23 if that's something that resonates with you, 19:25 at least these are things I'm learning in the program, 19:27 and Jane was very good, 19:30 like she's a nurse practitioner, 19:32 very on top of her game. 19:35 You know, I'm walking with her on the loop. 19:36 I'm like, wow, she's very intelligent 19:39 and it was the EQ component 19:41 that was missing for her 19:43 and so you can have a really high IQ 19:45 but be miserable and so it's not, 19:47 that's not even what brings life satisfaction 19:51 and so walking and talking with her, 19:52 she just was angry, 19:54 mad at the world, was unhappy in her job. 19:57 You know, her marriage 19:58 was not the greatest in her mind, 20:00 and so just, 20:02 her life just wasn't where she wanted it to be. 20:04 And then I called Dr. Nedley. 20:07 And he asked if I could be the nurse for a program. 20:09 And I told him no. 20:11 He said, Well, we're gonna get this person. 20:12 And I'm like, what? 20:14 And so she made a miraculous recovery. 20:16 And now she works in the program. 20:18 And she's doing wonderful. 20:20 And so she's much happier. 20:22 She's an excellent nurse. 20:25 I mean, it's just, 20:26 it's incredible to see her turnaround. 20:27 So give us a little more information 20:30 about the details of how, 20:32 how does someone 20:34 who's has a perfectionistic mind, 20:36 you know, very high standards. 20:38 And yet, and because the standards are so high, 20:41 you're always condemning yourself. 20:43 My marriage is imperfect. 20:44 Yeah. 20:46 You know, this isn't perfect. 20:47 This isn't perfect. 20:48 And then you said she was angry. 20:50 Yeah. 20:51 And you know, 20:52 high achievers can tend to be very hard on themselves 20:55 and they make themselves miserable. 20:58 So you said she got over that? 20:59 It seems that way in the last year. 21:01 And what were some of the secrets 21:03 to how that happened? 21:05 That would be something you'd have to ask her, 21:07 but from what I saw is really working the program. 21:10 I mean, it's not the program that works. 21:11 It's working the program. 21:13 And so trusting that process and doing, there, I mean, 21:16 there's gonna be times where you may not feel like 21:19 you had mentioned emotion, it's emotional reasoning, 21:22 that just because we feel a certain way, 21:24 we believe that's fact. 21:25 Well, that's not, that's emotional reasoning. 21:27 If you're, you know, super happy, 21:30 and you're going someplace, you really want to go, 21:31 does that make you an exceptional person, 21:33 and I mean that's thinking of it in reverse. 21:35 It's based on feelings. 21:38 And so I think really getting to that point where you just, 21:41 you know, she was just working the program, 21:43 and she was diligent being a perfectionist and so, 21:46 she did the work. 21:48 And so she got the result. 21:49 She did the work. 21:50 It reminds me of a scripture, 21:53 I think it's in 2 Timothy 1:7. 22:00 2 Timothy 1:7 says, " 22:02 God has not given us the spirit of fear, 22:06 but of power and of love, and of a sound mind." 22:12 Sound mind meaning, you know, sober thinking 22:15 and thinking things that that make sense, 22:17 they are true, they are right. 22:20 Like Philippians, 4:8, 22:22 is probably that one of the main texts 22:24 for that kind of thinking, it says, 22:27 "Whatever is true, whatever is lovely, 22:30 whatever is noble and just and right and pure, 22:33 think on these things." 22:34 And then it says, "And the God of peace 22:36 will be with you." 22:37 So if we learn how to think, 22:39 and think things that are true and right and honest 22:41 and noble, and just, 22:43 then the result is we're going to, 22:45 emotionally we're going to change 22:47 and we're going to feel better, 22:48 we're going to become just happier people. 22:50 Yeah, absolutely. 22:53 Okay, well, let's talk about resources. 22:55 Dr. Nedley's program, number one, 22:57 is a big resource. 23:00 So tell us how people 23:03 can get in touch with Dr. Nedley, 23:06 or connect with Dr. Nedley, 23:08 or learn from him 23:09 through the different ways that are available now. 23:12 Because he, I believe God used that man. 23:16 And I think you do, too. 23:17 God used Dr. Nedley to help me tremendously. 23:21 And he's helped you and God's plan is that, 23:24 you know, He then used each one of us to help others. 23:26 That's right. 23:28 And as you know, when I was going through this, 23:29 when I had a counselor when I was at Weimar, 23:32 her name was Amanda. 23:34 And that's her real name. 23:35 Yeah, that's not a fictitious name. 23:37 That's her real name. 23:38 And I remember when I first met with Amanda, 23:40 and she knew that I was, you know, 23:42 that I'm involved in a television ministry, 23:44 radio ministry, 23:45 and that we have a lot of influence 23:47 with a lot of people. 23:48 And then I write books, etcetera. 23:50 And when she first had me 23:52 as her counselee, 23:56 I remember looking at her, and she was glowing. 24:00 She was just glowing. 24:01 She was so excited. 24:03 Yeah. 24:04 And I just couldn't understand. 24:05 I mean, here I am, I'm depressed. 24:07 I'm trying to get off lorazepam 24:09 and I'm, you know, my brain is just fried 24:12 and I'm just discouraged, I'm not sleeping well. 24:15 I got big bags under my eyes. 24:17 I'm losing weight. 24:18 I'm getting thinner, as you know if that's possible. 24:20 Yeah. 24:22 And I remember, 24:23 she was so excited and I looked at her 24:24 and I was just wondering, you know, why are you so happy? 24:28 And she said, 24:30 I'm just looking at you 24:31 and knowing what you do for a living. 24:34 And I'm so excited 24:35 about what God is going to do in your life. 24:37 Yay. 24:39 And then how He's going to use you 24:41 to help other people 24:43 who are struggling with some of the same things. 24:45 Yeah. 24:46 And when she first told me that, 24:48 I just you know, I looked at her 24:50 and I honestly I thought to myself, 24:52 what planet are you from? 24:54 You do not, we are not connecting. 24:57 I am feeling like I'm about to fall apart. 24:59 Yeah. 25:01 And you're excited that that all of this 25:04 is going to turn into a blessing 25:07 for other people. 25:09 Right. 25:10 But sure enough, you know, sure enough, she was right. 25:14 She was dead right. 25:16 Maybe I shouldn't say dead right? 25:17 She was alive right. 25:19 And when I finally did get through this, 25:21 and the cloud lifted, and it was really, 25:24 when I got off the supplements that Dr. Nedley 25:27 was giving me kind of kicked in, 25:29 and then the benefits of the exercise 25:30 and the good diet, 25:32 and then learning how to think positive thoughts, 25:34 good thoughts. 25:36 And then finally getting off that trazodone, 25:39 which was my last medication that I was on. 25:41 And when I finally got off of that, 25:43 and went through the little bit of withdrawals for that. 25:45 It was just like the cloud just lifted off of me. 25:48 It just lifted. 25:49 And maybe, it's like my brain just snapped back. 25:52 And I started thinking clearly, and I started sleeping better. 25:56 And just a whole host of things happen 25:58 and I started feeling back to normal again. 26:01 That's wonderful. 26:02 And finally, I decided to write a book on my story, 26:05 which was help for the hopeless, this little, 26:08 little pocket book that will tell you a little bit 26:10 more about in a little while sharing just my story. 26:13 Yeah. 26:14 And as people read this, this book, 26:16 and heard me talk about this in different places. 26:21 Lo and behold, you know, it was really encouraging them. 26:25 It was a blessing to them. Yeah. 26:27 So Amanda was right, that God, 26:30 God can use our trials and our struggles. 26:33 And one thing they teach you at Weimar as you know, 26:35 there's a Bible verse that says 26:37 that we should be thankful for everything. 26:40 Be thankful for every, yeah, in everything give things, 26:43 but this is the will of God for you in Christ. 26:45 Yeah. 26:47 Be thankful, give thanks in everything. 26:49 And so I remember trying 26:52 to figure that out and learn that. 26:53 So if I go through a problem, or I was still struggling, 26:56 and I'd say, Lord, thank you for this depression. 27:00 Thank you for this problem that I'm having. 27:02 Thank you. Thank you. 27:03 Thank you, because somehow 27:05 You're going to use all this for good. 27:06 Yeah. And He does. 27:07 We don't understand it, but He does. 27:10 And so, you know, 27:12 God's using Dr. Nedley, to help people. 27:15 I believe He's used me, He's using you. 27:18 And people that are watching this, 27:20 He wants to use YouTube. 27:22 So tell them first how to connect with Dr. Nedley. 27:26 And what are the options available 27:28 to get a hold of his resources? 27:32 So there's a couple different options, 27:34 that just depends on 27:36 what you think you can do reasonably, 27:38 the 10 day is the best, it covers everything. 27:42 In terms of doctor's visits, 27:44 it covers everything comprehensively, 27:46 you're going to have a loving, 27:47 caring staff that you know 27:49 is with you every step of the way. 27:51 If you're interested in that, to call, 27:54 it's going to be through the office in Oklahoma, 27:56 so it's 480-226-8007. 28:00 That's the number for the clinic there. 28:02 If you want to get in touch with Dr. Nedley, 28:05 and just do a phone counsel, you can call his clinic. 28:07 So there's that number as well. 28:09 Or you can do the home based program 28:11 and that one's not going to be as expensive. 28:13 So you are, you can get all the materials 28:15 for a certain amount of money on nedleyhealthsolutions.com 28:19 nedleyhealthsolutions.com 28:21 Yes. 28:22 So the best option really is to go through the program 28:25 like we did and actually get on a plane flight away, 28:29 fly to Sacramento get picked up at the airport being driven 28:31 to the program and go through that for 10 days. 28:33 But there is a cost to that. 28:35 Right. 28:36 And some people may not be able to afford that. 28:37 Right. 28:39 So the next step you said is the community program 28:42 or the home program? 28:44 It would be, the community program, 28:45 that's another option. 28:46 That's an eight week community program, 28:48 anyone can become a director, you can do the online training. 28:52 And then you're basically qualified 28:54 to take these programs to the community 28:56 and run them for a small fee. 29:00 It's a really good outreach, you, 29:03 some of the participants may not have 29:04 the same outcome as the residential, 29:06 but it's still evidence based and there's research on it 29:10 on researchgate.com that shows people 29:13 are still able to get off their benzos 29:15 on an eight week community program. 29:17 So there's still a pretty big turnaround 29:20 and it's purely educational though. 29:22 So there's no medication changes. 29:24 Okay. 29:25 And how do people find out if there's a community program 29:28 in their area or near them that they can go to? 29:31 I believe that's also on nedleyhealthsolutions.com 29:34 If you click on the community based program link, 29:37 it should have a basically a map 29:39 of all the places that that's happening. 29:41 And then if it's close by they can drive there. 29:43 They can drive there. Okay. 29:44 Now, what about the home based program? 29:46 I mean, these days in this, 29:47 in our current Coronavirus crisis, 29:49 most people are staying home. 29:51 Right. 29:52 And probably a lot of people are depressed 29:53 over the Coronavirus. 29:55 I mean their, 29:56 you know their finances are hurting 29:58 and people are afraid of the future 29:59 and they don't know what's gonna happen. 30:00 Right. 30:02 And even if, when people are watching this, 30:03 by the time you watch this, 30:05 the Coronavirus crisis is behind us, 30:07 there will inevitably, 30:09 inevitably be some other crisis that's going to hit. 30:11 Right. 30:12 I mean, this is just life in this world, 30:14 there's no way around it on this side of heaven. 30:16 Right. 30:17 So how do people get a hold of all of this 30:20 inside their house? 30:21 It would be the same website. 30:22 Would be nedleyhealthsolutions.com 30:24 So they can go there and there should be a link 30:26 for the home based program. 30:28 But it's a lot of things in the program, 30:29 you can do the blue light, 30:31 that helps with circadian rhythm, 30:33 there's more information about that online. 30:35 Okay. 30:36 And so there's other ways that it can be done. 30:38 And it includes that book 30:40 that you have there, Depression: The Way Out. 30:42 So the home based program is it's based on 30:45 the book that Dr. Nedley has written 30:47 called Depression: The Way Out, 30:50 and this book is just a, it's a goldmine of information. 30:54 And it really does. 30:55 It's got loaded with pictures and statistics, 30:58 and practical information 31:00 about depression and stress and anxiety, 31:04 and how to get over these things, 31:07 and to live a happier life, 31:09 and to have faith in God who will help you to do this. 31:12 So this book is part of the home program. 31:15 Aren't there, is there a series of DVDs 31:17 where they watch and then they go through? 31:19 Yes. 31:20 Isn't their work, they have a workbook, 31:21 they have this book, they have a workbook. 31:23 Yeah. 31:24 Workbook goes with the DVDs, 31:25 and it also goes with the book and then also 31:27 that book that you have there telling yourself the truth, 31:30 that's a big component. 31:32 This is basically CBT in a nutshell. 31:35 So this book, I have this at home 31:36 and it's falling apart, I still refer to it. 31:40 But basically, it tells you some of the misbeliefs. 31:43 And I'll give you truths to counter that with, 31:45 so you can talk back to those misbeliefs, 31:47 which get us stuck sometimes as humans. 31:49 So this is very good book. 31:51 Right, like a misbelief being I'm hopeless, 31:53 there's no way out of this. 31:54 Right. 31:56 I'm trapped and I'll be 31:57 like this for the rest of my life. 31:58 Precisely. 32:00 That is a misbelief that needs to be challenged with truth. 32:02 So that book teaches you how to do all that? 32:04 Yes, so you don't have to come up with your own 32:06 if you don't have a counselor close by, you know. 32:08 It's just a really good resource 32:10 just for life in general. 32:12 So I'd highly recommend that one. 32:13 And you said that you've read that how many times? 32:15 Oh, it's to the point where it's falling apart. 32:19 And it's highlighted and written in the sides. 32:22 And its, the seams are becoming loose. 32:24 I don't know how many times but I refer to it even still. 32:27 So you like that book? 32:28 It's good. Yeah. It's good. 32:30 And that book is part of the home program. 32:31 Yes. Yeah. Okay. 32:32 So they get the DVDs, 32:34 they can watch on their computer, 32:35 on their DVD player. 32:37 Yeah. 32:38 And then they get the workbook, 32:40 they go program by program chapter by chapter. 32:43 And then they get Dr. Nedley's depression book, 32:46 which probably refers to different chapters to read. 32:49 And then they get telling yourself the truth. 32:51 Yeah. 32:52 So and then there, 32:53 they learn about other things they can do, 32:56 like their diet and the importance of exercise 32:59 and a lot of practical things 33:02 to help reboot the body and the mind, 33:06 and your attitude. 33:08 Yes. So your life changes. 33:10 That's right. 33:11 Yeah, I was wondering if, as I mentioned, for me, 33:14 when I got off the trazodone, 33:16 everything just finally kicked back into place. 33:19 Was it, was there a moment for you that you, 33:21 maybe there wasn't, you know, was it? 33:23 Or was it just a gradual thing, where all of a sudden, 33:26 you just started feeling better? 33:28 Or did one day it really hits you, 33:30 you know, I'm really doing a lot better? 33:32 It was gradual. 33:34 And I think it took other people 33:35 that were close to me to point that out. 33:38 Because it in my own mind, I was like, Oh, I'm the same. 33:40 And then people around me are like, 33:42 "Whoa, what happened to be you? 33:44 You look really different." 33:45 And, you know, I'm hearing things like 33:47 you're a very positive person. 33:49 And I'm like, are we talking about the same person? 33:51 It's so, it's just... 33:52 And you turn around, are you talking to me? 33:55 So I mean, it's, it's been really, 33:56 it's been good. 33:58 So there hasn't been like a day like, oh, 33:59 everything switched, 34:00 but it's just doing these things daily. 34:02 I mean, it's a lifelong program. 34:04 This isn't just something that you do it, none, no. 34:05 So it's not a pill, it's not a portion. 34:07 It's not just watching one program. 34:09 It's learning how to live differently. 34:11 It's lifestyle. 34:12 Yeah, it's lifestyle. 34:14 Yeah. And it's doable? 34:15 It's doable. 34:16 And it's really that means practical, 34:18 it's not, you know rocket science. 34:19 So that's the good news. 34:21 Yeah, well, yeah, for me, as I mentioned, well, 34:24 when I got off the trazodone 34:25 and finally the cloud completely lifted, 34:27 but I really should mention 34:29 that it was really a whole series of steps 34:31 to micro steps that led to my healing. 34:36 Most of my life, I've never been depressed. 34:38 Most of my life I haven't really had health problems. 34:40 I've been very, very blessed, very fortunate. 34:43 But in the summer of 2017, 34:46 the bottom fell out, 34:47 and I just tanked and I think like I said before, 34:51 the insomnia not being able to sleep for some reason 34:55 really started this whole spiral 34:57 and then the medication 34:58 really messed me up, 35:00 and then Dr. Nedley helped me to get off the medication 35:01 and put me on a different, a different path. 35:05 And when I was really in trouble, 35:08 there was a time when I felt 35:10 like my emotions were just gone. 35:12 I had no emotions, and I couldn't cry. 35:15 I was unable to cry. 35:18 I was, because I hadn't been sleeping very well. 35:21 During the day, sometimes I was just exhausted. 35:25 And I tried to take a nap. 35:26 But I could not take a nap. 35:28 My mind would not slow down enough, 35:31 I'd lay on the couch. 35:33 And I would just as, you know, I couldn't sleep. 35:36 Even though I was exhausted, I couldn't sleep. 35:39 And my appetite pretty much disappeared. 35:42 So I was forcing myself to eat. 35:44 I'm already thin enough. 35:45 And so I was losing weight. 35:47 And there was and I was, you know, very just, 35:50 there was this cloud over my mind. 35:52 And, you know, it was just, it was terrible. 35:56 And I remember, you know, step by step, 35:59 like one day I realized I was hungry. 36:03 But hey, my appetite's coming back. 36:07 Yeah. 36:08 And that was big. 36:09 And then another day, I was, 36:11 I laid down and actually, I took a nap. 36:14 And I thought, oh, something's happening. 36:16 Yeah. 36:17 I'm changing, I was able to take a nap. 36:19 That's great. 36:20 And then another day, I cried, I shed a tear. 36:25 And I thought, so it's just like, 36:27 one by one, I'm going. 36:28 That's cool. 36:30 Something's happening to me, my life is coming. 36:31 Yeah, I'm coming alive, my life, and that gave me hope. 36:33 That's great. 36:34 Just those one, 36:36 those little tiny micro steps gave me hope to keep going. 36:39 And then finally, the last, 36:40 the last thing was the trazodone 36:41 and when I got off that trazodone, 36:43 after, maybe I don't remember, it's like a week or so. 36:47 One day, it was just like, the cloud was gone. 36:50 And I looked outside, and I could see, you know, 36:52 the sky and the trees and hear birds. 36:56 And I started feeling good. 36:57 And the next day, actually, I was discouraged. 37:01 But then I thought, 37:02 I'm not gonna let this get me because I'm making progress. 37:05 And so then the next day after that, 37:08 the cloud again was gone. 37:10 And then I was free. 37:13 Oh, that's beautiful. 37:14 And so, I can think, praise God. 37:17 But it was a step by step thing. 37:18 And all of these, you know, telling yourself the truth, 37:21 and getting the exercise and getting on a good diet 37:24 and learning how to think differently. 37:26 All of these were very significant steps for me 37:30 in getting out of my despair, and my depression. 37:35 Now, let's see, what else do we have as far as resources? 37:38 You gave me a business card, 37:40 but I don't know if it's a business card, 37:42 it's a ministry card. 37:43 Tell us about that. 37:45 It says buried, buried to bless... 37:48 Buried to Bloom, yeah. 37:50 Buried to Bloom, okay. 37:51 Buried to Bloom. Buried to Bloom. 37:53 And this is your website, and this is your blog. 37:55 That's the blog. 37:56 So yeah, so just tell us about that. 37:58 And we'll put this address on the screen 38:00 so people can see it. 38:01 Okay. 38:03 Talk to us about that? 38:04 So a little bit about Buried to Bloom. 38:06 That really was a God thing. 38:07 It wasn't anything I really set out to do. 38:10 But in telling the story of what he did in my life 38:13 and working with Dr. Nedley, 38:15 it just came to mind that there's people 38:18 that could use different ways 38:19 to think and different resources 38:21 on how to do that. 38:22 So what I do is there's this blog, 38:25 and I write different reviews 38:27 of books and things that are helpful. 38:30 And put life experiences that I've had, 38:32 or I've had other people around me have that may 38:35 resonate or be relatable, 38:38 and put practical steps on how these different books 38:40 can maybe apply in their lives. 38:42 So it's been a blessing because I'm, you know, 38:45 I'm kind of able to dialogue with other people 38:47 and hear their stories. 38:48 And really, the aim is to use this 38:51 as a stepping point 38:52 for other people to tell their testimonies, 38:55 because I think testimonies are such a powerful thing 38:57 and a witness for God. 38:59 And so I want to give people a platform to do that. 39:02 Because my story is not unique, 39:04 There's a lot of people that have other stories, 39:06 either similar to mine, 39:07 or have stories that, you know, 39:09 maybe they have something in common with mine, 39:11 and I just want this to become just a way for them 39:13 to be able to share their 39:15 what God has done in their life. 39:16 So do you have other stories on your site? 39:18 That's the plan, not yet. 39:19 That's the plan. Okay. 39:21 So, if you're watching, 39:22 and if you've got a story, get hold of Christy. 39:25 That's right. 39:26 And your story will be on her blog. 39:27 Yes, please do. 39:29 Now, that tell us more Buried to Bloom, 39:31 why buried, explain that? 39:33 With the depression it felt, 39:35 it felt it was a feeling that I was buried. 39:39 And so it was a very dark place, 39:41 but God in His providence in Romans 8:28 39:44 is what I claim He uses 39:46 all to the glory of those who love the Lord 39:47 and He'll take something negative 39:49 and making something positive. 39:50 So that time in my life I felt buried 39:53 that I think he was planting me and now I'm bloomed. 39:56 And so, I want to share that with other people. 39:59 Yeah, I was thinking, 40:00 I wasn't expecting you to say that. 40:02 I was expecting you to say that, 40:05 like Jesus talks about a seed 40:09 and He said unless the seed of wheat is buried and dies, 40:14 it stays low. 40:16 But when it dies, then it brings forth fruit. 40:20 That's the way it is, when you plant a garden, 40:22 or plant the cedar or anything that the seed gets buried, 40:25 and it looks like you're, you're getting rid of it, 40:28 it's dying but really isn't. 40:30 It's actually, you know, being put in the ground 40:33 so that it can then give more fruit. 40:36 And for us, we need to learn that we need, 40:39 there's a part of us that needs to die. 40:42 We need to die to self, 40:43 we need to die to our own ways. 40:45 Yes. 40:47 We naturally think that my way is the highway, 40:50 my way is the best way. 40:51 And we really need to give that up and realize, Lord, 40:55 I don't know how to how to live in a way 40:58 that's good, or how to be happy 41:00 and how to do what You want me to do. 41:01 I need to trust You, and go into Your way. 41:05 So that's where we bury our old life like baptism. 41:09 Yeah. 41:10 You bury the old life and then you rise to a new life. 41:13 And, you know, it's a, it's paradox, 41:15 because we think that we're losing everything. 41:19 If we're going to do God's will in life? 41:23 The feeling is, it's too much to give up. 41:27 I've got too much to give up. 41:28 I'm not going to be happy. 41:30 He's going to restrict my life. 41:31 He's going to narrow my life. 41:33 And it's just, it's not what I want. 41:35 Yeah. 41:36 And, but it's really the opposite. 41:38 Right. 41:39 That going our way is really the worst way 41:44 and surrendering to Him and to do His will. 41:46 Right. 41:48 Then we do bloom. Yeah. 41:49 And we're happy. Right. 41:50 And we've discovered that 41:52 on the other side of the surrender. 41:53 Right. Yeah. 41:55 There's a real freedom in following God's will. 41:59 And so He wants us to be free. 42:00 We have free will 42:02 and so we're free to choose Him, 42:04 and He's a gentleman, 42:05 He stands at the door and knocks 42:07 and He doesn't force His way in, 42:09 so it's a beautiful freedom that He gives us. 42:14 So, anything else on your blog you want to tell us about? 42:17 That's the main promise, it's still work in progress. 42:19 Okay. 42:20 So, it's there to bloom as well. 42:23 Good. 42:24 Well, I'll have to check it out too. 42:27 Okay, let's see, what else do we have? 42:28 We do have the little pocket books 42:31 that I've, that I've written 42:33 as a result of going through my battles. 42:36 And I guess I was, you know, 42:40 I was buried too and now by the grace of God, 42:43 I'm blooming again. 42:45 My family can see the improvement. 42:49 When I was really depressed, you know, 42:51 my kids were just, 42:53 they were just shocked, so is my wife. 42:54 And I remember when I first started struggling 42:57 with the insomnia, and I was not sleeping, 42:59 and I was, I felt like I was just getting weaker. 43:02 I looked at myself in the morning, and you know, 43:03 the bags were getting bigger, 43:05 and I was getting thinner 43:07 and my negative thoughts were telling me, you know, 43:11 you're on the way down, 43:12 and you're not going to get over this. 43:13 Yeah. 43:15 And so as I was talking to my kids, 43:17 and Abby was, I think, nine at that time, 43:20 I told my family 43:21 that you really need to pray for dad, 43:24 because if I don't get through this, 43:26 I don't know what's going to happen to me. 43:28 I've got to get over this. 43:29 And then Abby looked at me and she said, 43:31 "Daddy, do you mean you might die?" 43:34 She said that. 43:36 And I was just shocked. 43:37 And I didn't know what to tell her. 43:39 And I just looked at her and I just nodded my head 43:41 if I don't get through this, you know? 43:45 Yeah, maybe this will happen to me. 43:48 And she just broke down. 43:49 It was one of the saddest moments of my life. 43:51 My little girl just ran over to me 43:54 and just hugged me and just started crying. 43:57 She just cried and cried and cried, 43:58 and she couldn't, she wouldn't stop crying. 44:00 And I was holding her and I just thought, 44:02 "Oh, God, you know, this is terrible. 44:05 What am I going to do? 44:06 Please help me to get through this." 44:07 And she just cried and cried and cried. 44:10 And now she knows that, you know, Daddy's doing good. 44:15 And it's such a blessing to like have my life back. 44:19 Amen. 44:20 And it feel like I'm doing something worthwhile. 44:22 Absolutely. 44:24 That I'm, you know, I'm here with you. 44:25 Likewise. 44:27 Yeah, and you're sharing, and I'm sharing, and hopefully, 44:29 we want you to be blessed. 44:31 And then when you get through what you're going through, 44:33 God can use you to help other people. 44:36 And anyway, that's why I wrote these books, 44:38 because God brought me through these and the first one 44:41 is Help for the Hopeless. 44:42 The little book doesn't, it's very inexpensive. 44:45 And it's designed to, to encourage you, 44:49 that other people go through these things too, 44:51 and that there is hope. 44:53 There is help and there is hope for the hopeless. 44:56 So this little book is available 44:58 and then so is this, 44:59 this little book called Secrets of Inner Peace. 45:02 I've given out a lot of these books 45:04 in airports when I travel. 45:06 And I can't recall hardly anybody ever refusing this book 45:11 because everybody needs peace. 45:13 Yeah, one time I was in an airport. 45:14 And I remember I was waiting to get on a plane 45:16 and we were delayed a little bit. 45:18 And I looked across from, and I saw a little store there. 45:22 It was an electronic store. 45:23 And there was a man 45:25 standing at the cash register by himself. 45:26 There's nobody in his store 45:27 and I had one of these little books, 45:29 and I just had this little thought 45:30 inside my head, 45:31 "Go, go give your book to that man." 45:35 So I walked around, 45:37 and I went into the store and there was nobody there 45:40 and I walked at the cash register, 45:41 and I said, "Hey, would you be interested in a little book, 45:44 I wrote this book called Secrets of Inner Peace." 45:47 And he looked at this beautiful cover, 45:49 it's very peaceful and relaxing. 45:51 Yeah. 45:52 He looked at that, he looked at me, 45:53 and he said, "I really need peace." 45:55 He just said, "This is exactly what I need." 45:57 That's awesome. 45:59 And I said, "Well, I think that somebody impressed me 46:02 to come and give you this book." 46:03 Yes, amen. 46:04 And so anyway, this book is really, 46:06 it's about the power, the power of the promises. 46:11 That's what it's about, the power of the promises, 46:13 the promises of God can give people peace. 46:17 Jesus said, "Peace be still." 46:19 John 14:27, Jesus said, 46:22 "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you, 46:26 not as the world gives do I give to you. 46:28 Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." 46:32 So there's so many promises. 46:33 And a lot of times when I go to bed at night, 46:36 or if I wake up in the middle of the night, 46:37 I'm just thinking of the promises. 46:39 There's a verse in Psalm 90. 46:42 Psalm 90, no 63, Psalm 63. 46:44 That says, when I remember you on my bed, 46:49 and meditate on you in the night seasons." 46:52 And then it says, 46:54 "I will praise you with joyful lips, 46:56 for you have been my help. 46:57 And under the shadow of your wings, 47:00 will I rejoice." 47:01 So these promises are so powerful, 47:05 and they lift, they lift us up, you know, 47:08 above the discouragements of this life, 47:11 and especially as we get closer to the final crisis, 47:14 earth's final crisis, we need these promises. 47:18 So we can go into the final battle, 47:21 trusting God being at peace, 47:23 and knowing that He's going to be with us, 47:25 whatever happens, you know, we all need that. 47:28 So these are, 47:29 these are resources that are available. 47:33 Let's see what other resources do we have? 47:35 Is there anything else, Christy, 47:36 you can think of any books that you've read 47:38 that have really been a blessing to you 47:40 outside of telling yourself the truth or Dr. Nedley's book? 47:46 Any books you've done a review on in your blog? 47:49 There's one by Paul Conniff, 47:51 I don't know if you're familiar with Paul Conniff. 47:53 I went to school with Paul at Weimar, believe it or not. 47:56 Actually, I'm sorry, I didn't go to school there, 47:57 I taught there... 47:59 And he was a student. 48:00 He was a college student. 48:01 when I was teaching there in 19 48:04 I think it was '86 to '89. 48:07 That's when I first met Paul Conniff. 48:09 He's wonderful man. 48:11 He has a book called the Hidden Half of the Gospel. 48:13 And he talks about basically 48:15 how you can equate Jesus story in Isaiah 53, 48:20 with something that you may be struggling with. 48:23 And so you basically pick out 48:25 how you can identify the way that Christ 48:27 suffered for us and before us. 48:30 And He entered into 48:31 these human afflictions, basically. 48:34 And so it's very profound, I'd recommend that one. 48:37 That's very good, because then it's very relatable. 48:40 And there's different stories 48:41 that he draws his own testimony from. 48:43 So it's very good book. 48:44 So it really goes into the life of Jesus. 48:46 Yeah. 48:47 And how he related to people. 48:49 Yes, 'cause He was tempted to numb His pain with, 48:53 you know, they wanted to numb it 48:54 with an alcohol type of thing and so He... 48:57 When He was hanging on the cross. 48:59 Hanging on the cross, and how He suffered shame, 49:02 because He was naked on the cross. 49:04 And so there's a lot of ways that Jesus knows 49:06 what we're going through, 49:08 He can identify with us so it's, 49:10 it's pretty profound reads, I'd recommend that one. 49:13 Again, that's powerful. 49:14 And I know that when I was going through my dark times, 49:19 I remember really looking at the life of Jesus 49:22 and seeing how He related to the leper. 49:25 And the leper came to Him and said, 49:27 if you are willing, you can make me clean. 49:30 And then Jesus reached out and touched him it says, 49:32 and he said, I'm willing to be clean. 49:34 And back then if someone was a leper, 49:36 I mean, leprosy is very contagious disease, 49:38 and you don't touch lepers. 49:40 Right. But Jesus did it. 49:41 He wasn't concerned about that. That's right. 49:43 And He touched him, and He healed him. 49:46 And there's just so many scenes in the life of Jesus 49:48 in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where Jesus is, 49:50 is ministering to people who are all mixed up, 49:53 the prostitute, you know, 49:55 the people that were demon possessed, 49:57 people that had all kinds of sicknesses, 49:59 lepers, high and low, rich and poor. 50:03 He loved them all. That's right. 50:05 And He was trying to help them 50:06 and when we really get that picture, 50:09 that there is a God in heaven 50:11 who made this whole world who loves us so much 50:15 that when man sinned and went away from Him, 50:18 He did the unthinkable, 50:19 He became a human and He veiled His glory, 50:26 so that when He was walking around, 50:28 He just looked like a regular man, 50:30 but He was not just a regular man. 50:32 Right. 50:34 He's the maker of all life. That's right. 50:35 Reaching out to His creation, 50:39 and trying to show them His love. 50:41 That whatever the devil says that God is mean, 50:44 He's bad, He's harsh, He's angry. 50:46 You know, He hates you, 50:48 you're hopeless, 50:50 that all those are lies of the devil, 50:52 and that the real God 50:54 loves us more than we can possibly imagine. 50:56 That's right. 50:57 And that He's so committed to us 50:59 that He was willing to become a human being. 51:00 And then He was willing to give His life 51:03 on the cross to pay the price for our sins, 51:07 and then die buried, and then bloom, 51:10 and then rise from the dead to give us hope. 51:13 That's right. 51:15 You know what a God we serve. 51:16 Amen. 51:17 And that's what really turns people's lives around. 51:19 That's right, because it says something in Isaiah 53, 51:22 that by His stripes we are healed. 51:24 And there's something in Paul's book, 51:25 he talks about that He's the wounded healer. 51:28 And inside of Jesus is a goldmine of grace. 51:31 And so to think of Jesus like that, it's just, 51:33 it's very peaceful picture and to know what He did for us. 51:37 And to know there's no one is too far gone. 51:40 I mean, there's no one that, you know, 51:42 this will not work for Jesus does not love. 51:46 And so there, it's never too late. 51:48 And so there's hope for each one of us. 51:50 I really like that, He's a goldmine of grace. 51:53 I've never heard that before. 51:54 It's beautiful. Yeah. 51:56 When I was going through my dark, darkest times, 51:59 I just thought, you know, I learned that there is no, 52:03 no limit to the length of the golden chain of mercy. 52:10 It can reach down to the bottom, 52:12 no matter how far down you are, 52:15 the golden chain of mercy 52:17 is able to reach you where you are. 52:20 That's right. 52:22 And we all need that hope. 52:24 You know, that's what we need. 52:26 That's what this world needs in the midst of a crisis, 52:30 the Coronavirus crisis or any other crisis, 52:34 whether or the final crisis, 52:37 or anything that we go through in our life, 52:40 there's nothing that is too big for God to handle. 52:45 I think probably the greatest battle 52:48 is to believe that. 52:51 Yeah. 52:52 To believe that there is a God in heaven, who loves us, 52:56 and who can help us, and who wants to help us, 53:00 and who will help us no matter what, 53:02 and it's not, you know, it's not. 53:06 You know, we can't, 53:07 it's unrealistic to think that everything will go right 53:10 just because we're a Christian. 53:12 Because I mean, look at Jesus, you know, 53:14 He suffered, and He agonized, 53:17 and He hung on a cross. 53:20 And He was in darkness too for three hours. 53:24 That's right, He felt separated from His Father, 53:27 and yet He trusted God anyway. 53:29 And that's, you know, we have to, 53:31 the temptation is to get angry with God, 53:35 to, you know, challenge Him and to question Him and like, 53:39 that's what Job went through, you know, those temptations, 53:42 but he came out of all that. 53:44 It says Job did not sinned with his lips, 53:46 and he still trusted God, 53:47 though he slay me yet will I trust Him. 53:49 And we will learn on the other side, 53:52 that if we continue to trust Him, 53:54 He'll make it all up to us. 53:56 Yeah. 53:57 That's very encouraging to know that, 53:59 and there's hope for anyone, depression is winnable. 54:03 And that's the good news. 54:04 And there's a solution. 54:05 So it's not something 54:07 that somebody has to struggle with 54:08 for the rest of their lives. 54:09 Which is what a lot of, you know, 54:12 pharmaceutical companies 54:13 and other entities will tell you, 54:17 but that's not true. 54:18 So there's a way out, and there is a solution, 54:21 and it can get better. 54:22 It can solve a bit. 54:24 Yeah, we have just about two minutes left. 54:25 Any other than that any final thoughts 54:28 you want to share? 54:29 I just want to say, 54:30 I just want to make an appeal that it's never too late. 54:33 You're not alone. 54:35 The Lord does have a hope and a future for you. 54:38 Jeremiah 29:11, 54:39 you can put your name in there, 54:41 personalize it and read it every day, 54:43 until it becomes a new way 54:45 for you to think about your life. 54:47 You can change the way you think 54:49 if you reach out to Jesus 54:50 and surrender your life over to Him. 54:54 And He did it for you. That's right. 54:56 And He did it for me. 54:59 And He will do it. 55:00 He'll do it for you. 55:02 And one of the things that really helps 55:04 as we look at all the things that are going on around us 55:07 is to keep our eye on the other side 55:10 in Revelation 22:4. 55:13 It says that, "One of these days 55:15 that God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. 55:20 And there shall be no more death." 55:23 Death is going to be gone, 55:24 funerals are going to be gone committal services, burials. 55:28 "There shall be no more death, neither sorrow, 55:31 all the pain and sadness that we go through, 55:35 nor crying, no more tears, 55:38 neither shall there be any more pain, 55:40 for the former things are passed away." 55:44 And then verse 5, Revelation 21:5 says, 55:46 "And he that sat upon the throne said, 55:48 'Behold, I make all things new.' 55:51 And he said to me, 'Write, for these words 55:55 are true and faithful.'" 55:58 The words of the Bible are the truth. 56:02 These words are true and faithful, 56:03 and whatever we go through if we choose 56:06 not to trust our, 56:08 our negative thinking 56:09 or what other people may say, or do, 56:12 or whatever our emotions may say to us, 56:15 if we choose to trust in the book, 56:17 the eternal Word of God, 56:19 these words are faithful and true. 56:22 It'll give us hope. 56:23 It will help us to trust in a God of love 56:25 and God of mercy, 56:27 God of kindness and God of compassion, 56:29 and we realize that underneath us 56:31 are the everlasting arms, 56:33 and He will bring us 56:34 through all the way to His beautiful tomorrow. 56:38 God bless you. 56:42 This three part series, 56:43 Finding Hope in Depression and Despair 56:45 is now available on DVD from White Horse Media. 56:48 To order simply call 1-800-782-4253 56:52 or order online at WhiteHorseMedia.com 56:55 To learn even more about how you can overcome anxiety, 56:58 fear, discouragement, and depression, 57:00 White Horse Media recommends 57:01 these two easy to read pocket books, 57:04 Help for the Hopeless, and Secrets of Inner Peace. 57:07 And Help for the Hopeless Steve Wohlberg reveals 57:10 personal details about an awful trial 57:12 he passed through during the summer of 2017. 57:15 How God brought him through the horror of deep darkness 57:18 and how you can find help too whatever your struggles. 57:21 In Secrets of Inner Peace, 57:22 Steve explains how deep lasting peace is only possible 57:26 through discovering the love and goodness of Jesus Christ, 57:29 the Prince of Peace and through the power of His Word. 57:32 Both of these small pocket books 57:33 are easy to read, heartwarming, encouraging, 57:36 and great for sharing with your loved ones 57:37 friends, and even with strangers. 57:39 This three part DVD series 57:41 Finding Hope in Depression and Despair. 57:43 And both of these enlightening pocket books are now available 57:46 from White Horse Media by calling 1-800-782-4253. 57:51 That's 1-800-782-4253. 57:54 A fully illustrated eBook version 57:56 of Secrets of Inner Peace 57:58 can also be purchased immediately on the website. 58:01 SecretsOfInnerPeace.net 58:03 That's SecretsOfInnerPeace.net |
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