Participants: Rico Hill (Host), Milton Mills
Series Code: FSH
Program Code: FSH000010
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00:02 In Numbers chapter 15 and verse 39 the Word says:
00:07 "Speak unto the children of Israel and bid them that 00:10 they make them fringes in the borders of their garments 00:13 throughout their generations and that they put upon the 00:17 fringe of the borders a ribbon of blue. " 00:22 This ribbon of blue was a test of the Israelites' 00:25 obedience. Here simple obedience came in the color of blue. 00:31 Blue! I like that. 00:34 Well hello and welcome to From Sickness To Health. 00:38 I am your host Rico Hill 00:40 and this is the blue guy. That's me, also known as Sickness. 00:43 Hey Rico, I noticed on that last scripture 00:46 you were a little preoccupied with color 00:48 so I'd like to do a little test. Fine, go ahead. 00:51 OK... here we go. What color is this? 00:53 It's brown. Is it red? Clearly it's brown. 00:57 Oh, interesting. What color is this? 01:01 Oh, come on... it's red. It's red. Exactly, Rico. 01:04 I know that you're going to talk about red meat today 01:07 and I just wanted to get our colors straight 01:09 right from the beginning. OK, I see where this is going. 01:12 In this program we're going to share with you 01:14 clear-cut research that shows the significant warnings 01:19 about the dangers of eating red meat. 01:22 How is it red meat? 01:25 Hamburgers? Brown. Steaks? Brown. 01:28 Lamb chops? Brown. Spaghetti and meat balls? 01:32 Mostly brown... a little red sauce. 01:34 I think you get my point. How is it red meat? 01:37 Look, I'm not going to answer the question any more. 01:38 Let's roll it. Don't ignore me! 01:41 Is it because I'm a person of color? 01:43 Roll it. 02:26 Well hello and welcome to From Sickness To Health. 02:30 Thank you for joining us here in the studio. 02:32 We have a topic today that you are going to love... 02:37 maybe to hate. Today joining us here in the studio 02:40 is a friend of mine. It is Dr. Milton Mills. 02:44 He is a critical care physician at the United Medical Center 02:48 in Washington, D.C. But that's not all! 02:51 He's also the associate director of preventative medicine 02:55 for the Physicians' Committee for Responsible Medicine. 03:00 Now there are two words that I love in his title 03:02 and that's preventative and that's responsible. 03:06 Thank you so much, doctor, for being here with us 03:08 on the program. I'm thrilled to be here. 03:10 Praise the Lord! Now we're going to be talking about 03:13 red meat, as we've just seen from Sickness. 03:16 And some people... they don't call it red meat. 03:21 Some people think it's brown meat. Some people just 03:23 don't care what color it is they just are emotional about it. 03:27 But before we get into it let's give our co-host - 03:31 the blue guy, Sickness - an opportunity to 03:33 share what he thinks on this subject. So let's take a look. 03:38 Thank you, Rico. What I've got here is a nice, juicy steak. 03:42 And everyone loves a good steak. 03:44 This guy here? He's 22 ounce of goodness. 03:47 What I like is all the fat around it 03:50 and the fact that it's rare. 03:52 You know rare meat takes a lot longer to digest. 03:54 Look at all that blood... that "ooey" goodness. 03:58 You know, the average piece of red meat takes 8-10 days 04:03 to go through your system. And if you're lucky, two weeks. 04:06 Hmmm. Think of all that rotting goodness putrefying 04:10 in your stomach. Along the way you may get some colon cancer. 04:13 There is that risk, but TASTE always outweighs the risk. 04:16 Back to you Rico. 04:18 Um, um... this is going to be good. 04:24 Well, I don't know about that. 04:26 We have a lot to say about that, don't we? Sure. 04:28 OK. But before we jump into it, you know, there are traditions 04:32 that are associated with our diet and what we eat. 04:37 I mean, we have all types of holidays 04:40 and family traditions that play a part. 04:44 In fact, there's the story that goes: a young girl asking 04:47 her mother, you know, as she was baking a ham 04:50 and she was looking for this particular pot 04:54 and she couldn't find it and she was all up in arms. 04:57 She was upset, and the daughter said: "Why don't you 05:00 just use a different pot? " 05:02 And the mother said: "No! We have to use this pot 05:05 because it's the one that makes it taste better. " 05:08 She said: "Why does it make it taste better? " 05:10 And the mother couldn't quite answer. She said: "Go ask 05:13 your grandmother. " So she goes to ask the grandmother 05:15 and the grandmother said: "Because it makes it taste 05:18 better. " But she said: "Why? " 05:19 And she couldn't answer. And there was another 05:22 great-grandmother... three lines in this generation... 05:25 and they asked the great- grandmother: "Why... 05:29 why does it make the ham taste better? " 05:32 And the great-grandmother, not wanting to pull any punches, 05:35 not willing to make up anything, she just said: 05:38 "Baby, that's all we had. " 05:40 So we see that sometimes tradition is the only reason 05:46 why we do certain things. 05:47 People eat certain ways, doctor, from tradition, 05:51 from opinion, and sometimes from emotion. 05:55 Can you talk about that for us? 05:57 Sure. You know, I once read that 06:01 all animals feed; only human beings eat. Um-hmm. 06:05 And what that is designed to get at is the fact that we humans 06:10 have an emotional response to the food that we eat. 06:14 For instance, if I invited you over to my house 06:16 for a meal... yes... and when you came to my house 06:20 you would obviously get dressed and come 06:24 expecting, you know, a nice meal. And when you walked into 06:27 the house I went to the kitchen sink, rummaged around, 06:31 got a pot of some oatmeal from this morning's breakfast. 06:37 Scraped some out and threw it on the floor 06:40 and said: "Bon appetit, " you would be absolutely insulted. 06:45 My dog would be thrilled. 06:48 Exactly! That encapsulates very well 06:52 the difference we have in terms of how we emotionally respond - 06:57 yeah - to the way food is presented to us. OK. 07:00 We expect that it's going to have certain, 07:03 you know, a certain presentation, certain qualities, 07:06 certain emotional aspects. 07:09 And that's one of the reasons that we have such a hard time 07:12 making dietary change because there are cultural 07:16 and emotional components to what and how we eat. 07:20 Many of the foods that people feel attached to 07:24 they feel attached to because this is, you know, the way 07:27 we've always done it. This is what my grandmother 07:30 or my mom or - yes - what we've traditionally eaten 07:34 for the holidays or for this particular season. 07:37 But it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with 07:41 the intrinsic nutritional value of the food. 07:44 And in fact, many of the things that we've been taught to eat 07:47 we now know are not good for us and have very deleterious 07:52 effects on our health and we need to make change. 07:56 So we need to try and divorce ourselves 08:00 from the emotional attachment we have to some of the things 08:03 we eat and start to look at them more critically. 08:06 What we have to understand is that food is really 08:10 just a collection of chemicals that are designed 08:14 to do two things: one, deliver energy to our bodies 08:18 and two, provide our bodies with the nutrients it needs 08:23 to - or they need - to function healthfully. 08:27 So any time we sit down to a meal 08:30 we need to ask ourselves: "What nutrients is this plate 08:35 of food going to be delivering to me? " 08:37 And the corollary to that question is 08:40 "Is it going to be doing anything to my body that is 08:43 actually going to harm me? " 08:45 And the answers to that question are: one, it's not 08:50 delivering any nutrients to me 08:52 and two, in fact, it is harming my body 08:56 then we shouldn't be eating it. 08:58 So we need to help people to be a lot wiser about their 09:02 choices and their concept of food. 09:07 And we want to try and accomplish that in this program. 09:09 So today before we go further with our discussion 09:13 because we've got a lot to cover - sure - 09:14 and I know it's going to be really good as we start to jump 09:17 into some of the research that you've done 09:19 we want to actually see what the news is saying. 09:23 Can we get some insight? On this show we like to 09:26 get a sense of not only what you and I are going to say. 09:30 We want to see what the news is telling people. Sure. 09:31 We want to see what the people on the street are saying. 09:33 But ultimately we're going to come back right after we see 09:36 this clip and we're going to see what the Bible says. 09:38 Absolutely. Let's do that... let's take a look. 09:42 The Harvard School of Public Health saying there 09:44 is a dramatically-increased risk of death from eating 09:47 as little as one extra serving of red meat per day. 09:49 So let's bring in our medical editor, Dr. Richard Besser, 09:52 to talk about this. So what's the headline here 09:53 with this study? You know, Robin, we've known 09:55 that there's a connection between eating red meat and 09:58 heart disease, eating red meat and certain types of cancer. 10:01 Here they looked at eating red meat and your risk of 10:03 having an early death. And what they found was pretty stunning. 10:06 For every additional serving of red meat you have per day 10:09 your risk of dying early during the course of this study 10:12 goes up by 12%. I mean that's huge - yes - 12%. 10:15 But there is some good news here because they're also saying 10:18 small changes can have a big impact. 10:20 That's right. You know, whenever I see a study like this 10:22 it's like: "Well, what do you do about it? " 10:24 But they looked to see what happens when you substitute 10:27 one of those portions of red meat 10:29 for a healthier protein. And what they found was 10:31 for every time you do that substitution with something like 10:34 fish, poultry, nuts, grains your risk of that early death 10:38 goes down by 19%. So there IS something you can do. 10:41 So they're not only saying stay away from a lot of red meat 10:44 but they're saying if you do take these substitutions 10:46 that you're going to... It matters. Yeah, it matters. 10:48 Whoa! Whoa! This is some serious scientific research 10:52 that is... And most people don't know about it! 10:54 That's true. It's amazing to me that 10:57 you can have all of the media, most of the news outlets 11:01 they're talking about this but when you get into a group 11:04 of people it's as if they have heard nothing about it. 11:08 But here's what I'd like to do: I'd like to go and see 11:11 if the news is agreeing to what God has said. 11:14 So I'm going to go into the Bible and I'm going to look 11:16 and see the diet that God has given. And I'm going to look at 11:20 three verses in three different chapters 11:24 of the book of Genesis. So first I'm going to take 11:26 a look at: Genesis 1:29. I'm going to do this very 11:28 quickly. And before I look into the scripture 11:31 I always like to pray so God will guide our thoughts 11:33 and guide those who are hearing. 11:35 So let's just pray very quickly. Father in heaven, 11:37 we thank you for the Word and we pray You would bless 11:40 it and bless those who are hear- ing. In Jesus' name, Amen. Amen. 11:43 In Genesis 1:29 it says: 12:00 Then in Genesis chapter 3 after the fall 12:05 He changes the diet. He adds something to it. 12:08 And that's found in Genesis chapter 3 and verse 18. 12:11 It says: 12:21 So God has now brought into fruit, nuts, grains, and seeds 12:25 He's brought in the herb of the field. 12:28 Can I interject something? Sure! 12:30 The reason God enlarged the diet for humans 12:34 was because He had changed their diet by barring their 12:38 access to the fruit from the Tree of Life. 12:42 Because now they could no longer eat from the Tree of Life. 12:44 Absolutely. And we know from earlier in Genesis 12:49 He said the reason He wasn't going to allow them to continue 12:52 to eat from the fruit of the Tree of Life 12:54 was because the fruit from the Tree of Life 12:59 had the power to perpetuate life indefinitely. 13:02 And by that we can infer that that fruit had the power 13:06 to help rebuild and restore the tissues of the body. 13:10 Yes. And since they no longer had access to that fruit 13:13 He had to enlarge their diet to other types of plant foods 13:18 that could partially replace the nutrients they were no longer 13:22 getting from that special fruit. 13:24 And those were the plant foods described as the herbs of the 13:28 field... which are your legumes, your grains, 13:31 and your vegetables. And in the green of that vegetable 13:36 we find chlorophyll - absolutely - which is 13:38 absolutely essential. It's... Some people call it green blood. 13:43 Right... that's right. So this was needed and God knew 13:45 that they needed this now. Now the third part of the diet 13:48 because it changes after the flood, doesn't it? Yes. 13:51 Changes after the flood, and now I'm going to Genesis chapter 9. 13:54 In Genesis chapter 9... and again, so that you're paying 13:58 attention at home and keeping track 14:00 we're looking to see if what we've just seen in the news clip 14:03 is agreeing with what the Bible says... what God has said. 14:07 So in Genesis chapter 9 and verses 3, 4, and 5 it says: 14:42 So the Word of God is saying 14:45 that I gave you fruits, nuts, grains, and seeds but because 14:48 of sin I added to it as you just clearly articulated 14:52 but then once the flood came and there was no more vegetation 14:56 God said: "I'm going to allow you to eat meat 14:59 but when you eat it, your life is going to be shortened. " 15:02 Right. The clip has just agreed with the Word of God. 15:06 Go ahead... Absolutely. I would also argue that 15:09 that was meant to be temporary. And I think again we 15:13 can infer that that was meant to be a temporary enlargement 15:18 of the diet because Numbers 11 when God brought His people 15:21 out of Egypt He fed them with manna 15:24 which Psalms describes as being the "corn of heaven" 15:28 and "angel's food. " And God wanted them to eat this 15:32 plant-based diet, but it was the Israelites who demanded 15:37 flesh... which again, Numbers 11 tells us... angered God. 15:41 And He sent a flock of quails into the camp 15:44 so they could have the meat they demanded. 15:46 But many of them died with the flesh between their teeth 15:50 and it came out of their nostrils. 15:52 So again, it was God's desire that we continue to eat 15:57 the plant-based diet that He had designed us to eat originally. 16:01 But it was the humans who demanded the flesh 16:05 and He relented and allowed them to eat only certain types 16:10 of flesh. Wow! That is amazing when you think about that. 16:13 So it brings into question that God has a perfect will 16:18 and then He has a permissive will. Absolutely. So a perfect 16:22 will and desire was that man first of all would live forever 16:25 which is what you were describing earlier when you 16:28 were talking about the Tree of Life. 16:29 Man was designed to live forever! 16:33 But His permissive will brought in a different diet 16:37 just to help man to live - correct - a little longer. 16:41 But then after the flood then man had to eat the flesh 16:46 which was temporary as the doctor has just pointed out. 16:49 And that was designed to just help him to get along... 16:52 again, permissive will. And you mentioned this, that He... 16:56 they desired to have meat and He gave it to them 17:02 but it made them sick. Absolutely. It made them sick. 17:04 Again we're seeing that. Right. But in Psalm 105 it says that 17:09 when the tribes of Israel were journeying through the wilderness 17:14 there was not one feeble member among them. 17:17 So the ones who wanted to eat it... they died off. 17:20 But the ones who continued to eat the manna in the way that 17:22 God said there was none that were sick. Absolutely. 17:27 Furthermore, we are told in the first chapter of Daniel 17:30 when Daniel was carried captive into Babylon 17:33 He was given this very... he and his Hebrew companions 17:38 were given a very rich diet from their Babylonian captors 17:44 that included meat, wine, and a bunch of other things 17:48 that Daniel decided he did not want to defile himself with. 17:53 So he went to his overseer and he said: "Look, 17:56 we don't want to eat this. We want to eat just vegetables 18:01 and water. " His overseer said: "Look, if I let you guys eat 18:06 this way you're going to get sick and I'm going to basically 18:11 be executed for not letting you eat a healthier diet. " 18:17 He said: "Test us. Let us eat nothing but vegetables and water 18:21 for ten days then compare us to the people 18:24 eating the king's diet 18:27 after ten days and see who is healthier. " 18:30 And after ten days the Bible tells us 18:32 that Daniel and his companions were fairer, healthier, 18:36 and looked much better than those who ate 18:39 the regular diet and therefore they were allowed 18:42 to continue to eat their plant-based diet indefinitely. 18:46 So again, the Bible makes it very clear 18:49 that not only were we originally designed to eat a plant-based 18:52 diet but that when we do adhere to that diet 18:56 we are healthier, we look better, and we live longer. 19:00 Praise God! Now we want to take a look here 19:03 'cause people on the streets don't know this, and 19:06 our co-host Sickness went out and he talked to people 19:09 and he just wanted to see what they have to say on the subject. 19:11 Let's take a look and see what they're saying. 19:15 Hey everybody... I'm here with my friend Max. 19:17 What part of the country are you from, Max? 19:19 Atlanta GA. Oh man, this guy knows how to pick his cities. 19:22 Let me ask you a question: they know how to eat down South, 19:25 right? Um-hmm. What are some of your favorite foods? 19:27 Hot wings. Hot wings! Hallelujah! 19:30 What else do you like? Ribs... tacos. Ribs, tacos... 19:35 What else? Keep going... you're making my day. 19:37 Hamburgers. Hamburgers! Tacos you said? Um-hmm. 19:41 Hamburgers you said? Yes. You like steaks? Yes. 19:44 OK, let me ask you one more question: red meat... do you 19:46 like red meat? I do... I love red meat. 19:48 What types of red meat do you like? 19:49 Steaks. Oh... steaks. The big ones, right? 19:53 Yes... the really good ones. Hamburgers? 19:55 Umm, they have to be like super sized. And juicy? 19:58 And juicy. Oh, we are best friends. Yes. 20:01 She's a carnivore connoisseur. I am! 20:04 What do you think about a nice juicy steak? 20:06 I love steak but that's just heavy. 20:10 It's heavy food, man. It's heavy. It's like... 20:12 Takes like about a week to get out of my system. 20:14 Now would you consider yourself someone who likes red meat? 20:17 Yeah, I like red meat, yeah. Steak? Hamburger? 20:20 Had some bacon this morning. Oh, she had some bacon this morning. 20:23 She's a carnivore connoisseur! Yes. 20:27 Carnivore connoisseur... that's what you are. That's right! 20:29 I love you more every single day. This is fantastic! 20:32 WE LOVE THIS LADY! 20:33 You need to come on down South and cook for us. 20:35 Oh I can! I know of some vege- tarians that you could cook for. 20:38 Mmm... we don't like vegetarians. We do not like 20:41 vegetarians. Let's say it in the camera together: 20:43 we do not like vegetarians. 20:47 Back to you. 20:49 Well... there you have it. We see that people are, 20:53 you know, they love their steaks. 20:54 They love their red meat, man. 20:58 And the thing is is that they're loving it out of an 21:02 emotional place. They're loving it out of the tradition. 21:04 And now I'm going to let you just kind of go and just share 21:08 this research 'cause it's fascinating. 21:10 Do they love the taste as they think? Do they love the smell? 21:13 Break that whole thing down. 21:14 Well first of all, you saw me laughing, Rico. 21:17 And I'm laughing because they think they love it. 21:20 They really don't... because I tell people 21:24 "If you really loved meat, you would eat it the way 21:28 real carnivores eat it: that's raw, 21:31 bloody, rotting and covered with flies and maggots. " Oh! 21:35 Man! When is the last time you saw a dog or a cat 21:38 say: "I'm not going to touch a piece of meat unless it's 21:41 been fried, breaded, and covered with some sort of 21:46 peppercorn sauce and lightly sautéed in garlic and oil. " 21:51 I mean, they don't care about that! 21:53 They will eat it in its native state which is something we find 21:58 utterly disgusting. And tell us why. 22:00 It is because we are not designed to eat it. 22:04 We... 90% of the people who choke to death every year 22:09 according to the ear, nose, and throat literature 22:12 choke to death on animal flesh. 22:15 Why? Because our esophagus - the tube that leads from our 22:18 mouth to our stomach - is not designed to handle 22:21 animal tissue. Carnivores have no problem with it. 22:25 They tear off a hunk of flesh, swallow it whole. 22:28 Why? Because carnivores don't chew their food. 22:31 They don't have to. Herbivores have to chew their food 22:36 because plant foods have a lot of fiber in them 22:39 and in order to digest them effectively 22:42 you have to disrupt those fibrous tissues 22:47 so that you can mix the plant foods with digestive enzymes 22:51 that are contained in the saliva so that the process of 22:54 digestion can actually begin - yeah - with the chewing. 22:59 Carnivores don't have enzymes in their saliva. 23:02 Herbivores do. Humans are herbivores. 23:05 We have an enzyme called salivary amylase 23:08 in our saliva that begins the process of breaking down 23:11 carbohydrates as we chew our food. 23:15 And our esophagus is designed - as all herbivores 23:21 esophagus's are designed - to handle thoroughly chewed, 23:25 small, soft balls of food 23:28 which then go to the stomach and allow the process of 23:32 digestion to continue. 23:34 Carnivores also have huge stomachs. 23:39 A 50 kg. wolf can eat 30% of its body weight 23:45 at one meal. 30%? 30%. 23:48 Of its body weight? Of its body weight. That's 15 kg. 23:52 of meat at one meal. Whoa! That's over 30 pounds 23:58 of meat in one meal! That's absolutely true. 24:01 And another thing: although they have binocular vision 24:04 their eyes are very different from ours. 24:06 They have permanent night-vision goggles. 24:10 They see over six times better at night than we do. 24:13 Why? Because their prey is usually asleep at night 24:17 so they hunt at night. And furthermore, we have 24:20 an area of acute vision in our eyes called a fovea. 24:24 They don't have a fovea. What they have is what's called 24:27 a linear streak that allows them to follow movement 24:30 very well... which is why anything that's moving along 24:34 that linear streak in the back of their eye 24:36 they will chase. But they don't see detail very well 24:40 because they don't need to. All they need to be able to do 24:43 is track movement, because anything that's moving 24:46 is probably something that they can eat. 24:49 Whereas for us, we need color vision 24:53 which they don't have. Why? Because we need to be able 24:56 to tell which plant foods are ripe and ready to be eaten. 25:01 And we also need to be able to see fine detail 25:04 so that we can pick grains and roots and tubers 25:09 so that we will be able to gather the fruits, vegetables 25:13 and other things that we need to eat and provide ourselves 25:17 with the energy that we need. But just one more point 25:20 about the differences in the stomachs. 25:23 Carnivores typically are very inefficient hunters. 25:27 They will... 95% of the time they go out to hunt 25:30 they don't make a kill. So they eat on average 25:34 in the wild once every 7-10 days. 25:37 So they have to be able to eat enough at one meal 25:39 to last them 10 days. That's why they have these 25:42 gigantic stomachs. Plant eaters have to eat 25:46 multiple times every single day. 25:48 And that's why they're designed to walk around 25:51 and eat multiple times a day 25:53 but they have much smaller stomachs. 25:56 Wow! I am blown away. 25:59 So what you have just said to the audience is that 26:02 animals are predators and they are looking for something 26:05 that's running. We don't chase after food. No we don't. 26:08 We need color because... Our eyes respond to color 26:11 because we need to know when it's ripe. Absolutely. 26:14 Praise God! I tell you: this has been 26:16 an exciting discussion. We're going to have to pick it up 26:19 in another program. Hopefully we can get some more 26:22 of these facts in. You have been hearing about 26:25 the dangers of eating red meat 26:27 and how you can have a healthy alternative. 26:30 How you can do something that is actually health to the body. 26:33 So... just keep in mind what we have shared today: 26:36 these are facts. Check them out for yourself, though. 26:39 And we look forward to seeing you in another broadcast 26:42 of From Sickness To Health. 26:44 May God bless you. Thank you, doctor. 26:45 We appreciate it. My pleasure. 26:51 You know, who can deny that a juicy hamburger 26:55 is delicious? I can't. When I ate meat 26:59 there was nothing better for me than a hamburger 27:03 and some French fries. I didn't think there was 27:05 anything other than that. But I tell you: when I was eating it 27:08 I always felt drained. My energy was just zapped. 27:12 But we've learned today in this program that eating red meat 27:16 can do more than zap your energy. It can actually 27:19 cause you to have sicknesses and different types of diseases 27:23 that you otherwise wouldn't have. 27:25 It is proven that a whole-food, plant-based diet 27:29 is best for our health. 27:31 Yes... it's best for our health. 27:34 It helps you live longer. All the stats: I've heard them. 27:38 And you can live a long, miserable life. 27:41 Look, I'm just saying that if people want to enjoy their food 27:44 and have the risk of cancer, let their taste buds win that war. 27:48 And hey, so what if they get their mind and body 27:51 clogged up so they can't hear the voice of reason. 27:54 What about hearing the voice of God? 27:56 What's that have to do with it? 27:58 Here's the thing: if you have a clogged system 28:01 then you'll have a clogged mind. 28:03 And when you have a clogged mind 28:05 how can you hear the voice of God? 28:07 Make no mistake... this is a battle for the mind. 28:11 The Bible tells us that "we wrestle not against flesh 28:15 and blood but we wrestle with principalities and darkness 28:20 in high places. " We must understand that this is not just 28:23 about eat this or eat that 28:25 or don't eat this and don't eat that. 28:27 No... it is a battle for our minds. 28:30 Are you going to be able to hear the voice of God? 28:35 Well... that's our program for today. 28:37 As always I leave you with this: 28:40 Third John 2 says: "Beloved, I wish above all things 28:42 that thou mayest prosper and be in health. " 28:45 I'm Rico Hill and I'm the blue guy, Sickness. |
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