Participants: Pr. John Stanton, Pr. John Lomacang
Series Code: HCL
Program Code: HCL080024
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00:01 Hello friends grab your Bible and a friend
00:03 and sit back as we explore God's word 00:04 together on this edition of House Calls. 00:22 Welcome to another House Calls program, 00:23 where we begin our journey together our 00:25 excursion as it where through the word of God, 00:27 and you know it's a journey that we always 00:29 get something new and exciting one, 00:31 we take that journey together so welcome, 00:33 my name is John Lomacang and I have in the 00:35 studio with me my very good friend John Stanton. 00:39 It's good to be here John, with you in the studio 00:40 opening the word of God as we always do, 00:42 that's right. And you know its realty fun 00:44 because when we sit down for this program 00:47 we are not we don't have a whole script, that's right. 00:50 We don't know what the Lord is gonna to do 00:51 and so we know that each time though 00:53 we get together God does bless, 00:54 and we are looking forward to that today. 00:56 And in order for that to happen I think you should 00:58 have some prayer so that our listeners and 01:01 viewers could also follow us under the impression 01:03 of the Holy Spirit, let's do that. Dear Father in 01:05 Heaven, we are so thankful for the opportunity 01:07 yet again to study your word and we don't take 01:10 this lately, we ask for the power of your Holy Spirit 01:13 to lead us and guide us through it's pages, 01:15 the pages of your word so that we may understand 01:18 more fully your plan for us and the various teachings 01:21 and the things you want to let us know that are in it, 01:25 thank you so much for being here with us 01:26 today in Jesus name, amen, amen. 01:30 And friends as you know this also was a program 01:32 where Bible question is so vitally important. 01:34 We know you send them and we thank you 01:36 for doing that, but if you have any question 01:38 or any comments that you like the e-mail to us, 01:40 the email address is housecalls@3abn.org 01:44 that's housecalls@3abn.org and as you know 01:48 we will download them and if you have snail mail 01:50 there may be some of you who do not have e-mail, 01:53 send your questions to P.O. Box 220, 01:55 West Frankfort, Illinois 62896 and address it to 01:58 house calls and we will get those also, 02:01 but that makes the program lot of fun so 02:02 let's begin with a question, I want to John begin, 02:06 alright, this question if from David, 02:08 alright and I doesn't see where David is from here, 02:10 but he brings a pretty good question here. 02:12 He says on the recent show you were talking 02:16 about the Bride of Christ being the New Jerusalem, 02:19 and not the people, could it be both and he talks 02:25 about Revelation 21:9 and 10 talks about the 02:27 lamb's wife coming down out of heaven which 02:30 is the New Jerusalem, right. We know that text very well. 02:32 David you are absolutely right, it is both. 02:36 You know, I would say what is the city without 02:39 the people in it? Right. So the New Jerusalem 02:42 is the city full of God's people and so that's really 02:45 what is happening Jesus said in His promise 02:49 to return that He was going to prepare 02:50 a place for us, right. And that place is for us. 02:54 So, the church is described as the woman 02:58 in the Bible, the New Jerusalem is described 03:00 as the Bride. I think probably to be a little 03:04 more specific about why the bride is the New Jerusalem 03:07 and why we made that statement was because 03:09 in the context of time John at the end where the 03:12 New Jerusalem comes down which has God's people 03:15 in it, it is spoken of as the bride, 03:17 because it's the combination of the coming together 03:20 finally between Jesus and His people face to face. 03:24 And so that's one of the reasons why Revelation 03:25 speaks of the bride being the New Jerusalem, 03:27 but it is also people, it's also God's church because 03:30 they are the woman spoken of through the Bible 03:32 as well symbolically. And you know, 03:36 even add to that I think that sometimes that 03:39 misconception comes in when we try to apply 03:42 every application and scripture to mean that 03:45 in every instance the church represents the bride, 03:48 because you will find the Parable of the Ten Virgins 03:51 of the church there is spoken of as five wise 03:55 and five foolish, and they were preparing 03:59 to meet the bridegroom, and they were waiting 04:02 at the house of the bride see so you see clearly 04:05 in the Parable of the Ten Virgins those who 04:08 are wise were the ones waiting and they were 04:10 waiting and they had the holy spirit those 04:12 who were foolish didn't and so when the call was 04:14 made behold the bridegroom is coming go out 04:17 to meet them those who were without enough 04:20 oil didn't realize until then that they were not 04:23 sufficiently prepared for the coming of the Lord 04:26 and they were left out, they did not get an 04:28 opportunity to go to the wedding feast as it 04:30 were in Revelation. So, but what you have as John 04:34 just pointed out so wonderfully is that when 04:36 the Lord presents the kingdom, 04:38 when Jesus presents the kingdom to His father, 04:41 it is in fact the fulfillment of when 04:42 He said everyone that you've given to me 04:45 no one has been able to snatch them out 04:47 of my hand, and He is presenting to the Father. 04:51 Jesus being the first fruits, 04:52 he is presenting the harvest that's why you 04:55 find in the Bible there is a harvest spoken of, 04:58 He sends His angels forth to gather the harvest, 05:00 he gathers the wheat into his barn, 05:03 and so the barn there would be synonymous to the 05:06 wedding feast and we are the guest and what 05:09 would have wedding feast be without guest? 05:12 How wonderful will the kingdom be with the people 05:15 of God in it. So, therefore, 05:17 when Paul the Apostle says husbands love your 05:22 wives as Christ has loved the church and gave 05:25 himself for her in that comparison Christ 05:28 is referred to us the husband man and the church 05:30 is referred to as the wife or the bride. 05:33 So you have to put the full picture together, 05:35 but what a feast is going to be and so at the end 05:38 of the thousand years when the New Jerusalem 05:40 comes down John sees a picture there as a bride 05:43 adorned for her husband and when you look 05:46 at the Asian or the Ancient application of how 05:50 the bride in Asia was adorned even still today 05:52 if you look at some of the weddings in India 05:54 and some of the Asian countries the bride 05:56 is magnificently adorned as Jerusalem is described 06:00 under the book of the Revelation adorned 06:02 for her husband. John think about that all the 06:05 foundations of precious stones, 06:06 the streets of gold, the gates made of pearl 06:10 and that's the picture of the middle eastern 06:13 bride adorned for her husband. 06:16 Angie and I had a chance, so we were going to, 06:18 I forget where it was, but oh it was one of 06:21 Mark Finley's evangelistic series and after the 06:24 meeting that night it was in large auditorium, 06:26 we stayed by I think it was the ending of the meeting 06:28 so we stay little bit and in that same complex, 06:33 they were there was a wedding being hosted 06:36 an Indian wedding and that was the first time 06:39 I ever saw the Bible symbols really played out 06:42 [No Sound], because the bride was presented 06:46 at night and I thought we never had wedding's 06:49 that late at night and we were talking about 06:51 10 or 10:30 at night and then they had this big 06:53 carriage that was carrying the bride carried 06:56 by five or six guys you know sorry eight guys 07:00 and the bride was in there and when they opened 07:03 whey they removed the canopy and the curtains 07:05 this bride was adorned with I don't think there 07:09 was any precious stones that she didn't have worn. 07:11 Amazing, yeah, but then in front of her were 07:15 like the Ten Virgins, young Indian girls all 07:19 beautifully adorned, wonderfully dressed leading 07:22 the way and then the bridegroom came 07:26 in to meet the bride I thought, wow 07:29 that's the picture that Jesus show in the Bible. 07:31 So truly, he loves us as much as a husband 07:33 loves his bride and he is going to adorn us 07:36 with His righteousness like a bride 07:37 is adorned on her wedding day. 07:39 Yeah, you know, I like what you are saying 07:41 also about the interpretation thing, 07:42 you know, being taking one interpretation 07:45 and holding faster that throughout because 07:47 sometimes there is some various interpretations 07:49 of things, and even the Bible itself gives those 07:52 different kinds of even though maybe one symbol 07:56 a coupe of different things that it can mean one 07:58 of them is beast, right. You know I mean Daniel 08:01 7 says, in verse 17 that the great beast, 08:04 which are four or four kings then we read down 08:07 little further it says, a fourth beast shall be 08:09 fourth kingdom. So the king always has a kingdom 08:13 so we know those are connected, but a 08:14 beast can mean a king isolated or it can mean 08:18 a kingdom, that's right and we know that too 08:20 because even in Revelation itself you go there 08:22 when you talk about these several beasts 08:23 and all of the sudden you know in Revelation 12 08:27 it introduce a Fiery Red Dragon well what's 08:29 the dragon? A beast, it's a beast, yeah, 08:32 but that dragon we know a little bit later after 08:34 Revelation 12:3 it introduces that dragon, 08:36 it says in verse 9, that's the dragon was that 08:41 serpent of old called the Devil and Satan. 08:42 So he is the king, that's right, but he is the beast, 08:45 that's right. So, see those are some of things 08:47 that we can get caught up in, 08:50 so defining a symbol that we can't understand 08:52 maybe it's got a little bit of larger perspective 08:54 or meaning to it. So the context is the vital 08:57 importance, the application you make is always based 08:59 on the context and that's a good illustration 09:02 because Revelation we don't want take this 09:04 question about the Revelation but you 09:05 have opened a door there, which you should not 09:07 have but I am walking through, 09:09 I am walking through. In Revelation you have, 09:11 you have a beast, there are two beasts of 09:16 Revelation chapter 13 the first beast 09:17 and the second beast and when you see the beast 09:19 rising up out of the earth you see a rise of a king 09:23 and a kingdom talked about [No Sound]. I'll 09:27 leave it right there, but you know you are talking 09:29 about the third beast Revelation 17, 09:31 let's leave that for now, yeah I am leaving that 09:32 one alone for now. I have a question here; 09:35 it says good day sirs John and John, 09:38 blessings in the name of Jesus, 09:39 I just want to make a comment on the text you 09:43 were talking about on House Calls of Philippians 2:12, 09:46 Paul is here saying "work out your own salvation 09:50 with fear and trembling." Salvation is free, 09:54 it is not of our own as you've rightly said but 09:57 here he is saying workout your individual 10:00 relationship with God and he stresses the seriousness 10:02 of with fear and trembling for it is God which 10:05 worked in you both to will and to do of his 10:08 good pleasure. Thank you for that comment 10:10 and I think that what's you are pointing out 10:11 although you didn't ask a question I think what 10:14 you're pointing out is the word "workout." 10:17 True is salvation Ephesians 2 verse 8 and 9 10:21 for by grace are you saved through faith 10:22 and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God 10:25 not of works and he mentioned both, 10:27 but I think you are also familiar with the fact 10:29 that in James the Bible says, faith without works 10:33 is dead. Abraham showed his salvation 10:36 by his works and so James says you show me 10:39 your salvation, your faith without your works 10:42 and I'll show you my faith by my works, 10:45 but I think what is pointed out here when he says 10:47 work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 10:50 John, the Apostle in 1st John 3:3 adds his comment 10:54 to that and I believe this is what he meant, 10:56 and everyone who has this hope in him purifies 11:01 himself just as he is pure. Now you know we cannot 11:04 purify ourselves, can the Ethiopian change his skin? 11:08 Can the leopard change his spots? 11:10 How can we that are accustomed to do an Evil 11:12 and do Good? We can't do that. 11:14 And the Bible also says there is none that's good, 11:16 no not one even our righteousness 11:18 is as filthy rags. So this is not talking about self 11:21 purification what I believe it means is as the Lord 11:25 has made you pure see to it that you stand 11:29 in that purity, see to it that you maintain 11:32 that purity. In Revelation John says in this way 11:35 I blessed to see that "keeps his garment less 11:39 he walk naked and they see his shame." 11:41 So the Lord is saying we have a responsibility 11:44 that when the Lord establishes us in a 11:46 relationship with him we've got to maintain that 11:48 relationship, and you are married I am married 11:51 and you know that to be married means 11:53 that both have to work on relationship. 11:57 You can't say I am married and my husband knows it, 11:59 I am married my wife knows it, 12:00 and I don't have to do anything to maintain that 12:01 relationship. The ceremony is the beginning, 12:03 oh that's right. It is not the end result. 12:06 You know, the other thing part of that text 12:08 I think this really key here is that you see two 12:11 predominant words there that are very, very small. 12:14 You have the working out and you have the 12:16 working in, God does working us that's right. 12:20 We do the work to get things out of us, 12:22 so in other words that working out of our own 12:24 salvation is often an effort to make sure that 12:28 we remain pure by eliminating those things 12:30 and getting rid of those things that we've held unto. 12:35 So, in a way you could say the working out of our 12:37 salvation is a working out of own brand, 12:41 our own desire, it's our own inherited sinful tendencies 12:46 and allow God then as we've push those things 12:49 out to work in us, only that which he can do, 12:53 but we can't do it. So, work out, get rid of it, 12:56 let God work in, let his spirit work within us. 13:00 You know you have to empty something 13:01 in order for to be filled and the Lord says to us 13:04 you've got to give yourself as a willing vessel 13:07 so that you could allow me to empty you out, 13:10 so that I can fill you up, because I think of, 13:14 I think of bottle of water or glass of water, 13:19 if you just empty the glass and you don't fill it 13:22 up while flies could fly in it, ants could get into it, 13:27 bugs could get into it, but they are less likely 13:29 to even want to get into that, 13:31 if this water or something that has filled up 13:33 the content of the glass. And so just being empty 13:36 is not salvation, being emptied of sin 13:39 is not salvation, but being filled by the Holy Spirit 13:42 is where the salvation and the power to live 13:44 that Christian life comes from. 13:46 So yeah, we have to work that out because 13:48 you know work it out I mean, math problem 13:51 work it out, your difficult situation work it out, 13:53 the Lord puts into our hands the responsibility 13:56 of maintaining or walk with him, 13:58 and He says draw near to me that work it 14:00 and I'll draw near to you and so thank you 14:03 for that question. This question is from 14:05 Gale in Alaska. She says since they're referring 14:08 to the woman as the church in Genesis when 14:12 it says that I'll put enmity between you 14:14 and the woman and between your seed and her 14:17 seed or they talking about the church there too 14:20 or are they talking about Jesus and the church? 14:23 Okay, this is I know this can be a little bit 14:27 confusing this is where you got a symbol that 14:29 can refer to a couple of different things and 14:31 it's depends upon how you're looking at this. 14:34 But in Genesis 3:15, there is a clear reference 14:38 to Eve herself and her descendants, 14:42 because God is speaking to the serpent he is 14:44 pointing to the serpent and he said between 14:46 your seed and her seed and so this is clear 14:49 reference to those who are God's people not 14:51 just the church the New Testament Church, 14:54 but the woman refers to God's people even in 14:56 Old Testament times. So, he is pointing to Eve 15:02 and he is pointing to Satan saying your seed 15:04 and her seed so any descendant of Eve that 15:08 is faithful to the Lord is spoken of as a woman. 15:10 Now there is also a reference clearly 15:12 to Jesus here, because one of those seeds 15:15 is the seed which the new King James Version 15:18 capitalizes seed there because it's a reference 15:20 to Christ Himself being the seed of our salvation 15:23 and our hope, our greatest hope and so, 15:26 there is enmity, enmity there. Now, 15:28 if you look at Revelation 12 okay. 15:31 We're gonna find that the woman is spoken 15:33 of prior to the birth of Christ, 15:37 who is the seed in that context. 15:40 And it says here in verse 2 or verse 1 it talks 15:43 about the woman and then verse 2 it says, 15:45 being with child she cried out in labor and in pain 15:49 to give birth that introduces same there in 15:52 verse 3 and 4, and then it says she verse 5 15:56 she bore a male child who was to rule all nations 15:59 with a rod of iron and her child was caught up 16:02 to God and His throne, then the woman fled 16:06 into the wilderness. See right there in two verses 16:08 you've got the woman being Israel nationally 16:13 which you know was prior to the rejection 16:16 of the gospel and then it goes to verse 6 16:18 which is the woman the church of a New Testament, 16:21 right. So, that's the woman down through time 16:24 and I believe you can start with Adam and Eve 16:26 descendants and that how enmity was put 16:30 between them and the serpent, 16:32 and a reference clear reference to the church 16:35 of the Old Testament in Bible, in Christ time 16:39 where Christ is the seed. So you have a couple 16:41 of things there, and they are both correct. 16:43 Yeah, that's true. I think that the point is well made 16:48 I don't think I have to add too much for that but 16:50 I think it's Galatians 3:19, talks about Christ 16:54 as the seed of promise until the seed should come, 16:57 and the woman, she has had this constant 17:03 description in the Bible to represent the people 17:06 of God in some cases you looked at Genesis chapter 3 17:11 after these verse 14 when I'll put enmity between 17:14 you and the woman between your seed and 17:16 her seed and what the Lord in essence is saying 17:18 there is, there is gonna be a hatred between Satan 17:23 and the church, and the church and Satan. 17:26 In other words Satan should hate the things 17:28 the church does and the church should hate 17:31 the things that Satan does, there is gonna be 17:33 this uncomfortable, this discomfort enmity between 17:36 both of you and I'm gonna keep it that way. 17:38 You know what's nice about that when I talk about that 17:40 prophecy or even discover what that really meant 17:44 the Lord in the essence saying I'm gonna put 17:46 within your heart hatred for the things that Satan 17:51 wants to give you, and I'm gonna put and is already 17:54 in his heart a hatred for the things that Christ 17:57 has given to his church, right, that's why he came 18:00 after the woman in the garden. 18:03 He came after Eve in the garden, 18:05 actually she went to the tree, but that woman 18:08 being deceived the Lord said from now on 18:11 I'm gonna put this such a hatred between the two 18:14 of you that the church and Satan should never unite, 18:17 that's why when you have phrases like the church 18:19 of Satan this is most ridiculous term, 18:23 because he has never spoken of having a bride, 18:25 but he has spoken of as trying to take the 18:29 affections of the bride of Christ away from Christ, 18:32 and so to speak draw her affections away from 18:36 being a legend to her Lord that's why you find 18:39 in Revelation when you have another picture 18:41 of the woman in Revelation 17 she is referred 18:44 to as the whore the harlot of Babylon, 18:47 who prostitutes itself and causes the kings 18:50 of the earth to commit fornication that is to fall 18:53 into her unfaithfulness. We're gonna talk about 18:56 that more today in our program entitles 18:58 spiritualism, but that's true it makes a lot of 19:02 sense there. There is another question here, 19:04 the ram, this person didn't put the name but 19:09 the question is still is good one, 19:11 the ram that was caught in the bush took 19:14 the place of Isaac, can Isaac be seen as a type 19:17 of Christ though he was not slain if yes please explain, 19:22 if no please explain. In this sense, 19:24 I saw and many of us see Isaac is a type of Christ 19:27 because his father required of him complete 19:31 obedience and as the New Testament speaks 19:34 about Christ obedient even unto the death. 19:38 Isaac who is obviously a lot younger than his father 19:41 and I don't know if Abraham was yeah I 19:43 think that point he was past a hundreds years 19:45 old but Isaac who was a lot stronger than his father, 19:49 who was a lot younger than his father 19:52 at that point he had been submissive 19:54 to the desires of his father and so, 19:56 when Abraham got to the place of the sacrifice 20:00 Isaac laid down he didn't fire his father, 20:03 but he did ask the question which doesn't make 20:05 him the exact Christ so in one sense, 20:08 he was an example of the Christ being willing 20:12 to give his life as a sacrifice for humanity. 20:16 The other part he was the Christ says when 20:18 Genesis 22:18 makes the statement in your seed 20:22 all the nations of the earth shall be blessed. 20:24 So you have Abraham, you have Isaac, 20:28 then you have Jacob, and when you continue 20:31 to follow that line all the way through Jesus 20:34 even identifies himself through the line Abraham, 20:37 Isaac, Jacob, and in that sense his lineage open the 20:42 way for the incarnation of Christ on this earth, 20:47 but the other thing is when Isaac was laying 20:51 on the altar to show that he is not the Christ 20:54 he asks his father, he says father where 20:55 is the sacrifice and he is lying there, 20:59 and then Abraham responded the Lord who 21:02 provide himself a lamb. Well you know we read 21:04 through that so quickly one of my favorite 21:07 teachers Dr. Leslie Hardy who taught at 21:10 Andrews University, who is a New Testament 21:12 I mean the Old Testament scholar and also he had 21:16 the I won't say to corner it, but very few people 21:17 had an understanding of the sanctuary as he did. 21:20 He said what the Hebrew actually meant was God 21:23 will provide himself dash a lamb. 21:27 He was the lamb being provided, 21:30 so when he saw the ram in the thicket, 21:31 he was the one that was being provided, 21:33 he wasn't looking for a ram to replace him, 21:38 but he was providing himself as the sacrifice, 21:42 but Isaac, yes in a lot of particular 21:45 is a type of Christ, but only in some particulars 21:48 by the way you will find that in many 21:50 Old Testament prophets, you find that in many 21:53 Old Testament teachers for example Elisha, he was 21:57 the type of Christ, Isaiah type of Christ, 22:02 Moses clearly, Moses leading the people out of 22:04 bondage, his statement blot me out, okay, 22:06 or brought the people out there, 22:07 there you go blot me out, interceder, intersession, 22:10 yeah. So, you see clearly is the lot of language 22:12 in the Old Testament and the Lord intense 22:14 for those picture words, those word pictures 22:16 to be there so that we could understand better 22:18 what is the work was going to be when he came. 22:20 Do you have anything else that we could through 22:21 for the next 3 minutes? Not for three minutes, okay. 22:28 I don't know maybe you have a quick question 22:29 there too. Well let's see what we have here I think 22:32 I may come up with one okay here we have one. 22:35 What is your explanation of what Jesus meant 22:39 with the word sword to His disciples in Luke 22 22:42 verse 36 to 38? Let's look at that very quickly 22:46 that's the very interesting passage because 22:49 we know that the person maybe eluting to the idea 22:52 that Jesus is a non-violent Jesus. 22:55 He is a non-violent Lord. Why would he say 22:58 to the disciples? If you don't have swords sell 23:01 your garments and buy one. 23:04 Well, you will notice in this the word sword 23:07 there didn't mean a long, long sword it meant 23:09 like a short roman sword which we would term 23:13 nowadays a knife, but not a little pen knife 23:17 but something that has some size to it that they 23:19 would put a little sheet or small holster 23:22 on their side. What was meant by that was 23:25 in the days of Christ that was not an uncommon 23:28 thing for Romans and Roman citizens to have 23:30 a sword and many of them believe that in their 23:33 journey they need it protection. 23:34 Well, you will also discover that Jesus was 23:37 in essence saying to them get a knife because 23:40 you may have to kill somebody along the way 23:41 to Jerusalem, he didn't believe in that because 23:43 you remember when the air of one of the Roman 23:46 soldiers was cut off Jesus rebuked his disciples 23:51 for doing that he says put away your sword. 23:54 Notice, that meant he had one put away your sword, 23:57 he had one Jesus was in essence saying make 24:00 it visible so that people will think you will use it, 24:03 but you're gonna use it, but the thing that throws 24:06 us into a tizzy here and I think what the person 24:08 was meaning is, so then should be buy 24:11 a weapon and let people see it but not use it, 24:15 it's taking the verse literally, 24:17 it's taking the verse literally, but you will 24:19 also make the statement as Revelation 13 says, 24:23 he who kills with the sword must be killed with the 24:27 sword, what was even greater than the physical 24:29 sword was Jesus saying to them, 24:31 you pay special attention on your garments, 24:35 but what you need is the sword and Paul 24:36 the apostle made it very clear in Ephesians 4 24:39 and Ephesians 5, that the sword, 24:41 the sword of the spirit is the word of God 24:44 and what was the instrument that they use in 24:47 New Testament times to bring about thousands 24:49 of conversions, they use the sword of the spirit 24:52 which is the word of God, and finally in the 24:56 Book of Acts you don't see one example 24:58 of violence on the part of the disciples, 25:01 right, but you see the converse where there was 25:03 a lot of violence perpetuated against them 25:05 but you saw no instance where the disciples 25:07 decided to take their swords out and defend 25:09 themselves against the Romans or anybody 25:11 who sought to do them any harm. 25:14 So Jesus was not saying let's be violent in our 25:18 approach to the Gospel and which is amazing 25:20 to me nowadays John because there is so many 25:22 Christians had so pro-gun. I'm having a hard time 25:25 thinking that you know Christians can surround 25:27 themselves with so many guns and they say 25:30 while we are peaceful nonviolent but as like 25:34 they are getting ready for revolution, it seems 25:36 opposite to what Jesus talks about in his word. 25:38 You know, I also think that this passage here 25:40 is speaking to a great degree spiritually because 25:43 if you remember when Jesus first send his 25:45 disciples out he told them to go out without any 25:49 money you know without their nap sack and without, 25:52 without sandals and he asks them here in 25:56 verse 35 did you like anything and they 25:58 said nothing. So he was trying to teach dependents 26:01 now he is saying, go out, take the things that you 26:04 need but know that you're totally dependent 26:07 upon me for everything, that's right. 26:09 And so that's, that's the principle of what 26:10 we have here in this highly figurative it is not meant 26:14 to be taken literally as into by guns as you say. 26:18 And that's what lot of Christians nowadays 26:19 they said that they were referred to be 26:21 noncombatants in the military they prefer to go 26:24 into some role maybe emetic or whatever 26:27 noncombatant life taking role in the military. 26:30 However, you will discover that there those 26:34 who would be under possible persecution 26:37 John chapter 16 verse 1 to 3 and Jesus says 26:40 those who killed you will do so because 26:43 they are thinking that they are doing service 26:45 to God but they will do this to you because 26:47 they haven't known Jesus and they haven't 26:49 known the father. So we serve a very nonviolent 26:52 Lord and that's the picture of the kingdom of 26:55 God, the prince of peace not the prince of violence, 26:58 amen. Well thank you for your questions 27:01 and your comments, we always enjoy being able 27:04 to answer those hopefully we didn't do violence 27:06 in any of our answers, but if you have anymore 27:08 questions or comments you like to sent 27:10 to us here at 3abn send them to 27:12 housecalls@3abn.org, that's housecalls@3abn.org 27:18 and we will try our best to answer them. 27:20 We're gonna open the door today and I used 27:22 that word figuratively because you will discover 27:25 in our topic the door has been opened. 27:27 We're gonna talk about spiritualism today, 27:30 we talked about Revelation in some particular 27:33 areas we talked about the kings and the beasts 27:36 of Revelation and we used the phrase 27:38 I think a number of programs ago the great 27:41 controversy. Well there is an aspect to the great 27:43 controversy that many people are unaware of, 27:45 and it is the word spiritualism. 27:48 What is spiritualism? How does it work? 27:50 How could we avoid it? When do we know 27:53 and how do we know that we maybe in danger 27:56 of being influenced by it, our church is infected 27:59 by it, and how do we know it's being used on us 28:03 and so you have to keep in mind that we are 28:07 in a controversy against an enemy who uses 28:10 deception as his greatest element and 28:13 spiritualism has it's part to play in deceiving 28:16 humanity and deceiving the world into thinking 28:19 that they are doing right when in fact they are 28:20 doing wrong. John what I would like to do, 28:23 you may I think you're gonna let's say 28:25 something before I turn the page. 28:27 Well you know spiritualism goes way, 28:28 way back and we find spiritualism initially 28:31 in the garden where the serpent was talking 28:34 with Eve and there is this you know 28:37 we use the word channeling today, 28:39 right you know speaking of that, 28:40 but you know the voices if it was coming 28:42 through that serpent and Eve you know 28:45 clearly was deceived by that, and so he used 28:47 deception way back when through communication 28:53 with Eve who was one of God's children 28:55 unto this very day, I think the one of the 28:58 biggest things we find with the word spiritualism 29:00 is and it's definition, is that it is Satan's way 29:04 of practicing deception by either by some 29:08 way of communicating with people, 29:12 whether that be direct communication like 29:13 a channeling thing into séance or whether 29:16 it would be through you know cards or pamphlets 29:19 and other things that he has that he uses through 29:21 those who are into that kind of thing or whether 29:26 it would be even deception as far as God's 29:28 word because I believe the Satan twists 29:30 the words of God as he did in the garden saying 29:33 didn't God's say right, that's right, 29:35 that's what he said he refereed to God that 29:36 when he met with Jesus during he temptation 29:38 was you know, trying to quote scripture 29:41 and didn't really quoted exactly correct 29:43 and that's kind of Satan's things so the underlying 29:46 foundation is deception, but the other aspect 29:49 of spiritualism is communication, that's right. 29:52 And there is got to be a communication element 29:54 for that deception and so spiritualism is as 29:56 we talk about it communicating or trying 29:58 to reach God's people in many ways with his 30:02 deception in the things that he is trying to 30:05 accomplish setting him up for his great 30:07 appearance in the very last day the combination 30:09 of that spiritualism, that's right. 30:12 That's why I want to begin with this very important 30:15 text because when you look at the enfolding 30:17 of spiritualism it has a birth place and this is an 30:21 amazing thing that I'm gonna go to this text 30:23 to talk about birth place of spiritualism 30:26 and not gonna say it's heaven I'm gonna say 30:29 it's well let's not let me not jump the gun go 30:32 with me to Isaiah chapter 14, let's look at the 30:35 birth of spiritualism. Isaiah chapter 14 and 30:39 beginning with verse 12, there was a controversy 30:43 that began and the Lord addresses it in such 30:46 a wonderful way He uses word pictures here 30:48 to describe how this controversies? 30:51 How the seed of this controversy was planted 30:53 and how we've come down today to define 30:56 this word spiritualism. And by the way, 30:59 let me just do this very quickly spiritualism 31:01 in it's definition in many different dictionaries 31:05 go in different directions, but spiritualism 31:07 is the appeal to a God or deity outside of the 31:12 supreme God or person setting themselves up 31:17 to be a deity or supreme God and but you will 31:20 discover that they are many more tentacles 31:23 that flow off of that beast, 31:25 if I could use the octopus as an example today. 31:28 The core of that is the, well let me read for you, 31:34 Isaiah 14 verse 12, I am trying to explain 31:37 what I can just going to read it, is this, 31:39 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, 31:43 son of the morning! First of all you have to keep 31:46 in mind that spiritualism was started with an angel, 31:50 it wasn't started with an earthly, 31:51 it was started with an angel and he was called 31:53 the son of the morning or the morning star 31:56 that's why Revelation so significant when 31:58 it talks about stars, the stars that had fallen. 32:00 In Luke 10:18 Jesus saw a Satan like lightening 32:03 fall from heaven, He continues, 32:06 He says how are you cut down to the ground 32:08 you who weakened the nations. 32:11 So, once again you see that at the core base 32:16 of understanding how spiritualism began the 32:18 purpose of it was to weaken not to strengthen, 32:21 but to weaken the nations and then you find 32:25 where the core of it is. Verse 13 32:28 of Isaiah chapter 14, for you have set in your heart 32:32 the birth place of spiritualism was in the 32:35 of Satan in the heart heart of adversary, 32:38 in the heart of one who was an angel at one time 32:41 and he made some claims, and the one that 32:43 I want to focus on primarily is at the end 32:46 of verse 14, I will be like the most high. 32:51 And John you talked about this a moment ago 32:53 in the Garden of Eden when Satan said to Eve 32:56 if you disobeyed God you will be like God. 33:00 See he instantly began to put into impact, 33:02 he instantly began to try out that thing he said 33:05 I would be like the most high and he said not 33:06 Eve if you disobey God you will be like God, 33:09 knowing good and evil, and so at the very core of 33:12 spiritualism you find the replacement of the deity 33:16 the true deity God the Father the supreme ruler 33:20 of the entire universe, Satan intending to 33:24 replace of that. But, I want to build on that but 33:28 I'm gonna give you a chance to just register right 33:29 here. Well, we are kind of going back in forth 33:31 between that in Genesis right when we are talking 33:34 about the foundations here of spiritualism 33:36 what he tries to use clearly, he is trying to 33:39 replace the worship of God with the worship 33:41 of himself that's right, and whether that be 33:43 the adoration, whether that be just an 33:46 acknowledgement of his existence, 33:47 whether they know it's him or not, 33:49 but any attention given to him that's what the 33:51 Devil wants, he wants attention. And so 33:54 how can spiritualism operate in a realm 33:58 that is not Biblical in a Non-Biblical or secular 34:03 world view, but we see that everywhere don't we, 34:05 we see you know deception and stuff happening 34:08 through mediums and sorceries and witchcraft 34:11 and other tings like that they don't know 34:13 where it's coming from, but you know 34:14 what if you ask them they know it's real. 34:16 Oh they know it; there is no doubt that is not real so 34:19 they know that. So that's one realm in the realm 34:23 of a Biblical world view those who have a view 34:25 of God and understand his existence he attacks 34:29 them especially through what even using the word 34:33 in another things and we see that demonstrated 34:35 in the garden where he knew that Eve knew 34:38 God quite well, and all he could do was work 34:42 to try and turn the words of God around 34:45 so maybe she might fall underneath his power. 34:49 Now I think, the other part of that is you know 34:51 we talked about he said didn't God say you know 34:54 he alludes to you, you will be like God we talked 34:58 about those aspects, but the other part 34:59 is he said you will not surely die. 35:03 So his other foundation there, 35:06 then with spiritualism is the realm of the dead. 35:11 To use and employ spiritualism is a tool 35:15 he has got to convince especially those who are 35:19 God's people but even more just you know 35:22 the world in general he is got to convince them 35:24 that when you die you are not really dead because 35:28 if Satan would appear to someone and say you know 35:31 I am Satan, I am the deceiver of the world 35:34 I have something to say to you, 35:35 are people gonna listen? No, but if he appears 35:40 as a Familiar Spirit then that opens up or breaks 35:45 down the barriers, it opens up a door for someone to 35:48 say well this is my loved one or this is someone 35:50 that I'm familiar with, this is something that 35:52 I can understand and then they listen and 35:54 communicate with that and so that's the other 35:56 foundation of spiritualism John I know you have a lot 35:58 to say, oh no, probably do even a program 36:00 on the issue of death, but familiar spirit there 36:05 is reason for that word given to spirits in that 36:09 realm using that deception to reach the world. 36:12 And that's why when Jesus talks about 36:15 John's vision that was given in Revelation, 36:17 he mentioned it very clear he says, 36:21 Revelation 12 in verse 9 speaking about 36:23 this how art thou fallen from heaven when 36:26 Satan fell, he brought one-third of the angels 36:29 with him so you have to keep in mind that very core 36:32 of spiritualism, it's an angelic, 36:34 it's an anglican attack. It is angels that were ones 36:38 in a divine realm. It's angels that were once in 36:41 the presence of holiness, so they understand better 36:44 than us the strength that they have at 36:48 their disposal but we are the ones who are if 36:50 we are not protected and that's the word 36:53 I would like to use here, if we are not protected 36:54 then we become instant subjects and instant 36:57 victims of spiritualism, but the Bible points 37:00 out once again what this art is, and the claims made 37:03 by Satan let's look at this spiritualistic father 37:07 or the person who brought spiritualism 37:10 into existence the devil himself. 37:12 Revelation 12 and 9 says, so the great dragon 37:15 was cast out, that serpent of old, 37:18 called the Devil and Satan, 37:20 who deceives the whole world. 37:23 He was cast to the earth and his angels were cast 37:26 out with him. John, I guess it's been a while now. 37:33 You know we are getting older but 37:34 don't tell anybody. Sometimes you say the 37:36 other day and you know I like for example 37:38 I thought that in 1994 I heard that date yesterday 37:42 in 1994, so that wasn't too long ago and somebody 37:44 said that was, that was 14 years ago 1994 37:47 was 14 years ago anyway that's not the topic 37:50 but I just had to make a side bar on that 37:51 times does fly, but when you look at 37:54 what's happening in our world today, 37:55 the generation that we are now in seems 37:59 to be enamored by things that are things 38:02 that are unexplainable. The unexplainable 38:06 phenomenon, the mysterious things that 38:10 are happening in someone's homes and people's 38:14 homes the light that seems to go on and off 38:16 without anybody turning the switch on and off 38:18 and the bulbs that being replaced and it continues 38:20 happening there is nothing wrong with the lamp 38:21 and they put a new lamp and the light keeps 38:23 going on and off and somebody says once well 38:26 when you look at when you look at that light 38:28 it's sending a decoded message, Moscode, 38:30 but nobody is manipulating the lamp, yeah. 38:33 So this must be a spiritualistic force, 38:34 even UFOs, UFO, even the UFO programs out 38:37 these days or they are on everyday just about, but 38:39 people failed to realize that behind all of this 38:42 is as an enemy who has gone so far as in this 38:47 way we are heading with the program who 38:49 has gone so far as even in stilling into his 38:52 arsenal ministers and even the patterns 38:57 of Christianity, that's right. Let's go 39:00 with the text and then we would bounce 39:01 this back and forth here. 2nd Corinthians 39:04 chapter 11 and verse 13, 39:06 very powerful text because lot of times people 39:09 say well, he can't be lying to me he is a minister. 39:14 Well, the Bible has a different approach 39:16 to that. 2nd Corinthians chapter 11 verse 13 39:21 and verse 14, you got that John read that 39:24 for us and, then you know I read away 39:27 something there, verse 13, yeah it says, for 39:30 such our false apostles, deceitful workers, 39:35 transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 39:38 Okay before you got to the verse so you find 39:39 transforming, another word what they are and 39:44 what they look like, a two different things, 39:46 two different things. What they look like ministers 39:48 for Christ apostles for Christ, right. 39:51 And no wonder verse 14, for Satan himself 39:54 transforms himself into an angel of light, 39:58 therefore it is no great thing if his ministers 40:02 also transform themselves in the ministers 40:05 of righteousness whose end will be according 40:08 to their works. You know John one of the first 40:10 things I think about you know, 40:12 when I think things like that are miracle 40:15 working ministers. I don't say that there aren't 40:20 miracles today, okay we know miracles happen 40:22 still, but you know some have said how 40:26 do you know whether or not a miracle is of God? 40:31 How do you know if someone really is of God 40:33 and the Bible is pretty clear of how you know 40:37 somebody is from God or if not, 40:39 and if you can find that text if you would like 40:43 to allow the testimony but as we think about 40:47 that God's ministers lift up his word, right, 40:52 they focus on his word because the word 40:53 is the truth about God and so let no one 40:57 anybody that tries to break down the word 40:59 to say well you know it's stories that are old 41:02 or you know it may not be exactly accurate 41:05 it's been you know handed down for so many 41:06 thousands of years or anybody that tries to break 41:09 down God's word is really a minister of 41:13 unrighteousness, of unrighteousness that's 41:14 right. Is the minister that is working on the side 41:17 of deception to break down the word of God 41:20 and his truth? And, so anyway we, 41:24 as we see this battle shape up this great 41:27 controversy you've already mentioned that 41:28 shape up clearly the battle this coming from 41:31 the enemy of spiritualism has entered the church, 41:36 and the church is it doesn't recognize 41:39 it to a great degree the church of large Chrisendom, 41:42 doesn't realize the deception the death 41:44 of the deception upon which it is being levied 41:47 upon them, when we read the text when you just 41:50 read that text in 2nd Corinthians 11 verse 13, 41:53 14 or 12 to 14 I believe it was. 41:57 One thing I wonder just bring it to this picture 42:00 right now is that Paul was correct when he says 42:04 "we wrestle not against flesh and blood", 42:09 but against principalities, against powers, 42:11 against the rulers of the darkness of this world, 42:15 against spiritual wickedness and some of the 42:18 translations says in heavenly places what 42:20 it meant is in high places and when you look 42:23 at that in the Old Testament comparison 42:25 just put that phrase high places. 42:27 You will discover that high places met that 42:30 in the mountains and in the groves where the altars 42:32 of God were, the altars of God were either torn 42:35 down or right next to the altars of God 42:39 where false altars built, right next to the altars 42:43 of God false, by the church of the dead, 42:45 by the people of the God, by the ones that God 42:47 had called they built by those altars of God false 42:51 altars either to Malico or Baal or to Ashtoreth 42:55 or to you name it the Gods of the Old Testament, 42:59 false Gods of the Old Testament and they led 43:02 people into this spiritualistic worship, 43:03 but it was worship and so when you look 43:07 at that text that we just read there don't be 43:09 surprise for Satan transforms himself into an 43:12 angel of light I can help to think about all these 43:14 many accounts where people said. 43:16 Well I died and I went toward the light 43:24 and when you follow the account just that they 43:25 give you know my soul left my body they say 43:29 and this is not scriptural but I went toward 43:31 the light, I embarrassed by the light it was the book 43:34 that was written, and all these phenomenon 43:36 and what is amazing to me is many years ago 43:39 and I am talking 20 or more years ago 43:41 you didn't have that kind of phenomenon 43:43 talked about but it seems to it about 20 years ago 43:45 or sooner it just seems to have mushroomed 43:48 into all these programs talking about dying and 43:52 going towards the light, embraced by the light, 43:54 angels in the outfield, touched by an angel and 43:58 then all of the sudden people were saying 44:00 well I want to have him came back and we had 44:02 a talk with an angel and it was Jesus and 44:04 I saw him but he send me back and I am thinking 44:07 Satan is working so much of his art of deception 44:11 that some of them have come back with messages 44:13 that contradict, strongly contradict the Bible 44:18 and they say but the Lord told me I know 44:20 this is here in Bible but the Lord told me and 44:22 that's the angel of light that thing appear to me. 44:25 You know, and just a quick reference to some 44:28 of the deception there of that we know 44:29 that prior to, well 1st Corinthians 15 towards 44:33 the end of that chapter it says that we will 44:35 have a change that comes that our moral bodies 44:37 will put on immortality and from that point 44:41 on we will be righteous you know in God side 44:43 now prior to that time we know that God dwells 44:46 in unapproachable light. So we cannot approach 44:50 God prior to that time which is the resurrection 44:54 at the end of 1st Corinthians 15 right 44:56 around verse 51 to 55, and so when we hear stories 45:00 or when we hear people tell us story well I went, 45:02 I had this clear you know picture of going 45:06 towards the light that God call me into the light. 45:08 You know, I say right then they contradicts 45:11 the scriptures which says that God dwells 45:12 an unapproachable light, especially time the time 45:15 prior to when our change actually occurs, 45:18 that's right in 1st Corinthians 15, 45:20 and all this comes together and I mentioned 45:22 this text earlier I read a piece of it but 45:25 its Isaiah speaking of the light Isaiah 8 verse 20, 45:31 says to the Law and to the testimony that is 45:34 the law which was often spoke of as the first 45:38 five books of the Old Testament which was the 45:41 Pentateuch, okay that law and the testimony 45:44 also of the prophets okay the prophets of God 45:47 that we find in the books throughout the scriptures 45:50 as well, if they don't it says if they don't speak 45:53 according to this word that's the word of God 45:55 it is because there is no light in them. 46:01 So anyone that speaks or say something contrary 46:04 to God's word, he is a minister of unrighteousness, 46:08 there are the ones that are working the error 46:10 in opposition to the true light of the Gospel. 46:15 And when Jesus gave when this text was given 46:17 by the Lord here in Isaiah 8 verse 20, I was 46:20 amazed that the context was just as powerful 46:23 in the protection against spiritualism. 46:26 You see the law of God is also a protection against 46:28 spiritualism because verse 19 was talking 46:31 about that very working art of spiritualism. 46:34 Let me read it to you, and when they say to you 46:37 this is in Isaiah 8 verse 19 and when they say 46:39 to you seek those who are mediums and wizards, 46:45 who whisper and murder should not a people 46:49 seek their God, should they seek the dead 46:52 on behalf of the living, that's right, 46:55 you see and that's why when this text was given 46:57 it was given us a protection against being drawn 47:00 and by spiritualism being drawn and by séances 47:04 or contacting the dead or conjuring up spirits, 47:09 familiar spirits as it where, which we get the 47:11 word family, where people sometimes say I know 47:14 my mom and dad die but I went to see a 47:16 spirit today and I saw my mom and she gave 47:22 me a message, oh, that's not your mother 47:23 that's a familiar spirit, that's right. 47:24 And that's what the Bible was saying here, 47:26 don't go after people that wizards, 47:30 which is a witch, a male witch or mediums 47:34 a medium is a person that says they are between 47:36 you and the dead that person of the middle 47:39 that's why they called the medium they are between 47:41 the living they say in the dead or now if your mom 47:45 or your dad who has died is not talking to you 47:48 then who is sending messages, that's right. 47:52 Now John what about this question? 47:53 Answer this and then go on, okay. 47:55 They sometimes say well nobody could have 47:58 known that but my mother what your answer 48:00 to that? Well I mean how easier it is it 48:02 for the devil and his angels who know every 48:04 word that you've ever said in your lifetime, 48:07 you ever experience you've had to know exactly 48:10 how to use it. Exactly, ammunition, 48:12 it's just so easy for them to reproduce that. 48:14 Now, but I think what is even more amazing 48:16 of this verse in Isaiah you talked about you know 48:19 the mediums and spirits and that kind of thing 48:22 what is common to all of them is the light, 48:25 there is they are going to the light or they saw 48:27 a light or there is a shadow of light around the 48:29 person that they see in the sands or there 48:32 is a light that appeared to them 48:33 and here it says there is no light in them. 48:37 I think the first no light in them is trying 48:40 to tell us more than just no light of God, 48:42 it saying that these people are saying I went 48:45 to the light and this verse is saying no, no, 48:48 no, no, no there was no light of God there, 48:50 that's right, that's a very good application. 48:52 I never saw that in that way their before, 48:54 but it's pretty clear, because they went to get 48:56 light but there is no light in them, 48:58 there you go they went to get knowledge 49:01 but there is no knowledge in them, 49:02 by the way they goes back to the tree 49:04 of the knowledge of good and evil and 49:05 knowledge that God never intended for us to have. 49:07 You don't have to have the knowledge 49:09 of let me just use an application you don't have 49:11 to get drunk in order to appreciate not 49:13 getting drunk, you don't have to be an alcoholic 49:16 or smoke or drink or take drugs or do anything 49:19 elicit to say oh I appreciate not doing that. 49:22 Matter of fact, sometimes we glorify that so much 49:25 of people that have been delivered from that we 49:27 almost make those who never done it appears 49:29 though that they well you miss something 49:30 or I really appreciate been a Christian because 49:33 I used to be so bad, you don't have to go to the 49:35 tree of the knowledge of evil in order to 49:37 appreciate the knowledge of good or the light 49:40 of God. And when you say that, this light that 49:44 they say they have I don't want to run 49:46 past that statement of the fact that you talked 49:48 about Jesus dwells in an unapproachable light, 49:51 I want to actually read the text because somebody 49:54 watching this program may have themselves 49:57 either heard about it or may have said themselves 50:02 I thought I was dead, I saw this great light. 50:05 And we can go toward that light until we are made 50:07 immortal that's what you are talking about, 50:10 yeah, but here is the text 1st Corinthians, 50:13 First Timothy 6 and verse 16 and it's speaks about 50:16 God it says who only has immortality dwelling 50:21 in the light which no man can approach unto 50:27 whom no man has seen nor can see, 50:32 get that again, dwelling in an unapproachable 50:35 light which no man can approach, 50:38 whom no man has seen nor can see. 50:43 So if you are saying a light and you are saying 50:45 you've been embraced by God and he sent 50:48 you back I must on the word of God say that, 50:51 that's not the light of Jesus because mortals 50:55 cannot approach in immortal light, 50:59 because only God has immortality. 51:00 We will be consumed by that flame which Lord is, 51:04 that's right, that's right. It would be so bright; 51:05 you couldn't not approach it, right and this is 51:09 God's word really wants to protect us from this 51:13 and so we read in 1st John 4 verse 1 beloved 51:16 do not believe every spirit, but do what John 51:20 test or try the spirits, whether they are of God, 51:26 because many false prophets have gone out 51:27 into the world. You see, false prophets 51:30 and false teachings and these ministers of 51:33 unrighteousness have come into the church have 51:35 gone out into the world and they are teaching 51:37 these things that are not right, 51:38 and so God's word says don't believe everything 51:41 you hear test it, that's right, 51:44 test the spirits that they say they are communicating 51:47 with or even test the things that they are 51:50 teaching you by the word of God, because 51:53 if you don't you could fall into that hypnotism 51:58 or hypnotic spiritualistic kind of thing 52:01 that we are talking about we don't understand, 52:03 I wish people could understand how 52:05 strong this is. The children nowadays 52:08 I feel badly for many of the children nowadays 52:11 because what turn them to cartoon there 52:14 is so much, I want to open the door we may 52:17 do this on one of the programs coming up 52:18 kind of just go down the list of some of the things 52:20 that children should be aware of, 52:22 because in thumbing to television I had the 52:25 occasion to stop at one of those channels 52:27 you know I don't know if it was Nickelodeon or what, 52:29 I don't know I don't want to label the channel 52:31 because there are some good things but I notice 52:33 how evil some of the shows are you know Gargoyles 52:37 and Demons and these contorted creatures 52:40 that kids are trying to look at as role models 52:43 and they want to be the superhero but when 52:45 we were being raised you know we had, okay, 52:48 mine we had Iron Man and we had Incredible Hulk 52:52 they are really fallen to a category of righteous 52:55 heroes, that's right, but nowadays it's become 52:58 so demonic and further yet. 53:00 This demonic and you see there is something behind 53:04 that and I believe Revelation puts this from 53:08 right on the button when it reads as follows. 53:11 And go with me to Revelation chapter 16, 53:14 and the reason I am doing this when we talked 53:16 about the Babylon what makes the Babylon 53:22 this is so much a part of it Revelation chapter 16 53:25 and verse 13 and verse 14, I saw and I saw 53:32 three unclean spirits like frogs, 53:35 remember you said try the spirits, 53:37 because lot of people say I am under the influence 53:39 of the spirit my question is I don't doubt 53:41 that but which one, okay. And it says I saw three 53:46 unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth 53:49 of the dragon, we know who that is Satan. 53:53 Out of the mouth of the beast in this context 53:57 is talking about the beast rising above the earth 53:59 and out of the mouth of the false prophet, 54:01 so you find a three full union. 54:04 Spiritualism is very much a part of that look 54:08 at verse 14 for they unitedly are the spirits 54:13 of demons performing signs or working miracles 54:17 as the King James version says which go out 54:20 to the kings of the earth and of the whole world 54:23 to gather them to the battle of that great day 54:25 of God almighty. So Satan is pulling the world 54:28 together down this path of demons 54:32 and he is going to the leaders, he is 54:35 going to the people and he is getting them ready 54:37 for this final battle, he is getting them 54:41 ready for his final battle and by the way 54:44 he is not battling against Era, he is battling 54:47 against truth, and so what do you think about 54:51 that John? Well, Jude go one book before 54:54 that okay Jude just one chapter there verses 3 54:58 and 4 says beloved well I was very diligent 55:01 to write to you concerning our common salvation 55:04 I found it necessary, necessary what is 55:08 that word? Oh, absolutely important, 55:10 absolutely important, she is got to deliver 55:12 this message. He says it's necessary 55:14 to write you, exhorting you to contend earnestly 55:17 for the faith which was once for all delivered 55:19 to the saints. Now why look at verse 4, 55:23 for certain men have crept in unnoticed, 55:27 who long ago were marked out for this condemnation 55:30 ungodly man who turn the grace of our God 55:34 into lewdness and deny the only Lord God 55:37 and our lord Jesus Christ. 55:38 I think the new international version says 55:43 the immortal for this condemnation they turned 55:45 the grace of God into licentiousness or being 55:48 a license of immorality, and so what they are doing 55:52 when they get in, he is trying to teach the 55:55 church things that are not true, 55:57 things that are immoral. Now not blatantly 56:00 immoral, it would be hard for pastor to have 56:02 success coming into the church saying, 56:04 you can have adultery, you can have sex 56:06 with anybody you want to, you can't really 56:08 you are not having to get lay with that, right, 56:09 but you want to come in and you might be suggesting 56:12 or teaching something's that might take people 56:15 a step closer to spiritualism or the realm 56:18 that opens the door for spiritualism 56:21 to work it's best, that's right. 56:22 As we, as we identified this foundation of spiritualism 56:26 we have to give it some definition here. 56:29 First of all spiritualism is self exaltation 56:31 that's how the controversy between good 56:34 and evil began, Satan saw to exalt himself, 56:36 any system or any person exalting themselves 56:39 or what they have above God is laying 56:42 a foundation for spiritualism. 56:44 The father of spiritualism is the devil, 56:45 the dragon, the serpent, you give whatever 56:48 title you would like to have to that. 56:51 What is the basis spiritualism, the immortality 56:54 of man's nature and we're gonna unfold 56:56 some more as we go on but what do you think 56:58 John this is a good topic? Yeah, I think it's one 57:01 that we need to do, we needed to do for a while 57:04 because it's so prevalent today and if it so 57:07 prevalent today that we know that the Devil 57:08 is gonna work through this right down 57:10 at the end of time, we need to make sure that 57:12 people know about it. And, you will see how much 57:14 the deception is existing today and we're gonna 57:17 even open the doors to show you how 57:19 it's existing in the Christian church. 57:22 So, stay tune to house calls continued 57:25 to pray that when the Lord comes you 57:27 won't be a part of those who are deceived 57:29 you will be ready to meet he Lord, 57:31 have Him in your life and begin today. 57:33 isting today and we're gonna 57:34 even open the doors to show you how 57:35 it's existing in the Christian church. 57:36 So, stay tune to house calls continued 57:37 to pray that when the Lord comes you |
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