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00:01 Hello, friends, grab your Bible and a friend
00:03 and sit back as we explore God's word together 00:05 on this edition of House Calls. 00:24 Welcome to the living room 00:25 where truth has been shared on several occasions. 00:30 And we're gonna do the same thing today, 00:33 and I've got my good friend that I've known since, 00:38 how long have we known each other? 00:39 Birth, I don't know. 00:41 Man, that's been a long time, but hey, John and John. 00:43 Since the late 90's. 00:44 Since the late 90's? 97. 00:46 John and John here today, 00:47 we are going to make a house call on your family, 00:49 and thank you for taken the time to tune in. 00:52 We got a dynamic topic. 00:56 If you're fortunate enough 00:57 or blessed enough to hear part one, 00:59 we just laid some foundation, 01:00 we're talking about the myths of dispensationalism. 01:05 Here we go. 01:06 At best it's just sensational, it's not scriptural. 01:09 And we're gonna talk about that today. 01:10 We also gonna take your Bible questions 01:12 which we have a couple of them, but today, 01:14 unlike many of our prior broadcast, 01:17 we gonna spend a lot of the time on the topic. 01:19 Yeah, little less on questions. 01:20 Little less on questions, 01:22 so get your Bibles, get your pens, 01:23 invite your family and your friends, 01:25 and we are going to really enjoy our time together. 01:28 Before we even let you know how to send your questions, 01:32 we are going to ask the Lord to bless us, 01:33 so, John, would you have prayer for us? 01:35 Yes. 01:36 Please Father in heaven, 01:37 we come to You here asking for your blessing. 01:40 As John just mentioned your blessing 01:42 to gives us the truth that we want from Your word 01:45 to an understanding it better, 01:48 appreciation of what Your words says about many topics. 01:51 And today, Lord the topic is 01:55 one that is near and dear to many of us. 01:57 And we just pray that your sprit would guide us 01:59 through the various things we're talking about 02:01 and You should help us to have that full understanding 02:03 of Your truth. 02:05 And that by Your grace, 02:06 we may stand here in this last days 02:08 before Jesus returns, 02:09 we look forward to seeing Him soon in Jesus' name. 02:12 Amen. Amen! 02:15 Now Bible question is so much a part of this program 02:17 and if you've tuned in before, you know that 02:19 and we just want to say on behalf of both of us 02:22 and the network, we thank you so much 02:23 for being supportive of this network, 02:25 your prayers, your financial support 02:27 all makes a difference. 02:29 Don't stop sending those questions 02:31 and also don't stop sending those donations, 02:33 it allows us to carry this programming 02:35 from week to week, month to month 02:37 and year to year. 02:38 But if you want to send the question in right now, 02:40 here's the address you need, we have a House Calls email. 02:43 It's housecalls@3abn.org. 02:46 That's housecalls@3abn.org. 02:49 And you can send those and that's our downloading hub 02:52 for those of you who want to send in questions 02:54 that are quick. 02:55 And get here in the matter of seconds, 02:57 but if you, if you want to send them snail mail, 03:00 you can send those to P.O Box 220, 03:05 West Frankfort, Illinois 62896 03:08 and just simply put attention House Calls, 03:11 we appreciate that. 03:12 John, let's make the best use of our time today, 03:14 what's your first question? 03:16 I have a question from Gene and the question is that. 03:21 "When Jesus was dying on the cross he asked God 03:23 "Why has thou forsaken me?" 03:26 I've heard it preached that God turned His back on Him 03:29 because His body had on it the sins of the world. 03:33 God did not want to look upon all his sin-- 03:37 all this sin. 03:38 Is this why? 03:40 We know that sin cannot enter heaven." 03:42 And so anyway she wants clarification of that, 03:46 and Gene is asking for help with that. 03:49 You know, it's in-- 03:54 When Christ was dying on the cross, 03:57 He felt the weight of the world upon him, 03:59 okay, by his stripes we are healed. 04:01 If you look to Isaiah, a very clear explanation 04:03 of what He was going to go through 04:05 as the sin bearer. 04:08 It wasn't so much 04:10 that His Father was not looking upon on Him 04:12 or turned His back on Him. 04:14 As much as it is, 04:16 Christ recognition that sin has separated Him from His Father. 04:21 Right. 04:22 And so, we need to remember 04:23 that as you're hearing the words, 04:25 as you're reading the words "Why has thou forsaken me," 04:28 it was the experience of Christ 04:30 feeling the separation from His Father, 04:33 because He knew the sin of the world 04:35 was resting upon Him. 04:37 That right. 04:38 But the Father was still near. 04:40 Right. 04:42 And His Father who had given Him assurance 04:44 and promise of His love and His presence forever. 04:47 That is what Jesus relied on, 04:50 so in spite of how the situation appear to be, 04:53 how He felt with the sin being rest, 04:57 laid upon Him and, and really tearing Him up 05:01 and also killing Him by tearing his part of heart, 05:05 it's heart apart. 05:06 That still He rested and He rested on the promise 05:11 that His Father would be with Him anyway. 05:13 Right. 05:15 So, while He couldn't see Him, 05:16 He experienced that second death 05:17 so to speak for us, 05:19 that we would have to experience 05:20 had we not had that wonderful gift 05:23 of atonement for us on the cross. 05:28 Still we know with confidence, and he know with confidence 05:31 and just by faith that His Father did love Him 05:34 and did accept Him. 05:36 And accepted the sacrifice that He gave, 05:37 that He made for you and for me. 05:40 So, I would focus less on what the Father was doing, 05:44 because I don't think the Father was far at all. 05:47 That the Bible shows very clear 05:49 that His Father would never really leave Him 05:51 or forsake Him. 05:52 What these words are more telling of 05:54 is the experience that Christ went through 05:57 with the sin resting upon Him 05:58 and understanding that sin separate Him from His Father. 06:02 John, it was amazing about that whole-- 06:05 and the cross is just so deep what happen there, 06:08 the price that Jesus paid, the willingness 06:13 which is the trap that Judas fell into 06:15 because he had seen on several occasions 06:17 when there was an attempt made to arrest Jesus 06:21 that he got away. 06:22 And he thought, he got away so many different times, 06:26 he'll get away this time 06:27 and it will be a financial benefit to me. 06:29 But when the time came to show how ignominious the cross is, 06:35 and the weight of the world, we will never know, 06:37 we could not even fathom what it really means 06:41 to have the weight of the world, 06:42 the sins of the world laid upon us. 06:44 As the Bible says, "For God has laid upon him 06:47 the iniquity of us all." 06:50 But Jesus uttered the words of humanity when He said, 06:55 "O, My Father if it's possible, Matthew 26:39, 07:00 let this cup pass form me, 07:03 nevertheless not as I will but as you will." 07:06 And so He saw that this was an unavoidable situation. 07:10 But the beauty of it is, 07:12 that we have to balance the sins of the world 07:18 with the love of the Father, this is huge. 07:20 That's right. 07:22 Because the sins of the world 07:23 put Jesus in the category of the second death, 07:26 the love of the Father for His Son 07:29 put the God in the category, I'll never leave Him, 07:31 I'll never forsake Him. 07:33 The assurance that He will be there. 07:34 He assurance that He will be there. 07:36 And without assurance, 07:37 that's the only way that we can face the trials 07:39 and difficulties of our day 07:40 knowing that the promise that is made to us 07:43 was the same promise made to Christ. 07:45 "I will never leave you, nor forsake you." 07:47 And that's why He said to His disciples, 07:49 "The Father in Me, I in Him, We are One. 07:52 As I'm wanting the church to be." 07:55 I want the unity that the church has, 07:58 to be the unity that my Father and I have. 08:01 And so, what a, what a, what a cross. 08:03 I love the way the book Desire of Ages, 08:04 the great book on the life of Christ puts it. 08:07 "In that thick darkness God's presence was hidden. 08:11 God and holy angels were beside the cross. 08:15 The Father was with His Son, 08:17 yet His presence was not revealed. 08:20 In that dreadful hour, 08:21 Christ was not to be comforted with the Father's presence." 08:25 But He was assured of His Father's love 08:28 from what His Father had told Him beforehand. 08:30 Okay. 08:32 So the last part is my prepared phrase 08:33 for the rest of the paragraph, 08:35 I read you quote and then I prophase 08:36 so, Christ was assured 08:40 because of the way things had been with His Father, 08:42 even though He couldn't see His Father at that time. 08:45 And this is an example for us. 08:46 We may be going through some terrible trying circumstances. 08:50 And we may not see God working, 08:53 we may not see hope or experience, 08:57 deliverance at a certain moment in time, 08:59 but we can be assured that God loves us 09:02 that His presence is with us, and He will get us through. 09:05 That right. 09:06 And that's the assurance that we all have, 09:07 it's so wonderful. 09:09 I believe one of the reasons why the clouds were so black 09:11 and dark and ominous 09:13 is because the Father was so near, 09:15 that His glorious presence would have destroyed everybody 09:18 on that mountain had His presence 09:19 and His glory been revealed. 09:21 The clouds were a shield so I can get as close to My Son 09:23 as I possibly can. 09:25 So the glory of the Father could not be revealed. 09:28 And you know, you find the same thing 09:30 the glory that was revealed to the Israelites, 09:32 as one side was the cloud, 09:35 on the other side was the consuming fire 09:37 to the Egyptians. 09:38 So God's presence is there 09:39 to abide with us and to protect us. 09:42 Thank you, John, that's wonderful. 09:44 The cross is so, such a theme that needs to be-- 09:51 we need to think on that. 09:52 Give more attention to it. 09:54 You give more attention to it, 09:55 because when you think about what was paid for you, 09:58 and what was paid for us, 09:59 and then it will lead us to the place 10:01 where we don't want to, 10:03 we don't want to live a life of transgression. 10:07 I have a call, I have an email from Andrea. 10:13 And she has a question. 10:14 ''What does it mean when the Bible said, 10:17 that the law was added because of sin. 10:21 Can you summarize Galatians, then also the word of exercise, 10:25 food, Sabbath and holy days." 10:29 Let's go to Galatians 3:19, Galatians 3:19 10:34 is where we find that actual reference. 10:38 What purpose then does the law serve? 10:43 Now this is beautiful because it says, 10:46 "It was added because of transgressions, 10:50 till the seed should come to whom the promise was made, 10:54 and it was appointed through angels 10:56 by the hand of a mediator." 10:59 Okay, the law was added because of transgression. 11:02 Now what is transgression? 11:04 Transgression is the violation of a law. 11:08 So what was added? 11:11 The ceremonial law was added 11:14 because the moral law was violated. 11:17 In the Garden of Eden, and let's go before-- 11:20 before the first sin was committed 11:23 in the Garden of Eden. 11:25 And particularly we know that Eve was deceived, 11:28 Adam went into transgression with his eyes wide open. 11:30 But when Abel, when Cain killed his brother Abel. 11:36 He can only be guilty of murder if the law was in place. 11:41 "Thou shall not kill." 11:42 And then on the heels of that, 11:45 the provision of a lamb was clearly an indicator, 11:51 that okay, now because that law was broken, 11:54 we've got to institute law of sacrifices. 11:57 Because the wages of sin is death. 11:59 And when the first lamb's life was taken in the Garden of Eden 12:04 or outside of the Garden of Eden, 12:06 it was the prefiguring of the lamb of God 12:08 in John 1:29. 12:10 And so for thousands of years, lambs were taken, 12:13 their lives were taken, their blood was shed 12:17 as you see that so clearly delineated. 12:19 So what's happening here is the ceremonial law, 12:22 the law of ordinances, the sacrifices of blood 12:26 and bulls and goats and calves and heifers and doves, 12:29 that was added because the law of the commandments 12:33 were violated. 12:34 But if you read the rest of the verse, 12:36 it was added until the seed should come 12:40 to whom the promise was made. 12:42 So this ceremonial law was gonna be-- 12:46 was the result of the lambs, the goats, the doves, 12:50 the heifers, they were all slain 12:54 until the final slain. 12:56 Yeah. 12:58 "The Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world." 13:00 When John pointed to him, 13:02 and that's why when Jesus was crucified on the cross. 13:05 When the seed came, the promise Messiah, 13:08 I will put enmity between you and the woman 13:11 between thy seed and her seed. 13:13 Genesis 3:14, 13:14 when that prophesy was given in Genesis Chapter 3, 13:18 Jesus finally became the seed of the women, 13:20 Jesus came, gave His life on the cross. 13:23 When He gave His life on the cross, 13:25 the temple curtain was torn from top to bottom 13:27 exposing the sacrificial system. 13:29 And so, therefore that lamb got away, 13:32 because the Lamb, Christ Jesus did not get away. 13:36 And so when the, 13:39 when the tormentors of Christ said, 13:41 "Save yourself, he knew that as the lamb, 13:44 He came into the world for this particular moment." 13:46 The lamb slain 13:47 from the foundation of the world. 13:50 That first lamb slain was a prefiguring of this slain, 13:53 He knew that this was His hour. 13:55 So that's primarily what it means when it says 13:57 the law was added because of sin, 13:59 the ceremonial law was added 14:01 because the moral law was violent. 14:02 And then, there are other pieces to that law too, 14:04 we know that, the Decalogue, so to speak the law of God, 14:08 the moral law of God, the various things, 14:10 the Ten Commandments. 14:13 Those are the things that reveal sin, 14:16 but the Law of Moses has several things in it, 14:18 and one of them is a curse. 14:21 And in Daniel in his prayer in Chapter 9 14:23 also spoke of this, 14:24 and the language is very interesting, 14:26 because the language is very similar 14:27 to that in Galatians. 14:29 And it says in Daniel 9:11, 14:32 well, let's start with verse 10. 14:33 "We have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, 14:36 to walk in his laws, which he set before us 14:38 by his servants the prophets. 14:41 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, 14:44 and has departed so as not to obey Your voice, 14:46 therefore--" 14:48 Notice what he says. 14:49 "Therefore, the curse and the oath 14:51 written in the Law of Moses, 14:52 the servant of God has been poured out on us, 14:54 because we sinned against Him." 14:56 That right. 14:57 So there are things in effect 14:59 that comes with the Law of Moses 15:02 that kick into effect 15:03 when we transgressed the law of God. 15:06 One of them you spoke off or Galatians speaks off 15:09 a ceremonial law. 15:11 But the other aspect here too 15:12 is even the curses within the Law of Moses 15:14 are poured out upon us. 15:15 And the curse they were talking about there 15:17 with the seven years of captivity. 15:20 And also the curses that were found, 15:22 that are found in the couple of places 15:23 Leviticus 26, you find him also in Deuteronomy, 15:25 I think Deuteronomy 28, right around there 27, 28, 29. 15:31 So anyway, those are the places that it read the curses. 15:33 So there are several things, 15:35 the things that the Law of Moses does, 15:38 it engages and commits, it becomes effective with, 15:44 when we transgressed the Law of God 15:46 and this is what Paul is talking about. 15:49 And so this law that was added 15:50 because of sin was just symbolic. 15:53 It was a symbol, when I say symbolic in the sense, 15:56 it was all prefiguring the ceremonial was prefiguring, 15:59 it was a symbol of the Christ to come to give His life. 16:04 Matter of fact, Hebrews 9:9 says, 16:09 "It was symbolic for the present time 16:11 in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered 16:15 which cannot make him 16:17 who performed the service perfect 16:19 in regard to conscience." 16:21 And this is where you added the other question. 16:23 Concerning only with foods, drinks, various washings, 16:29 fleshy ordnances imposed until the time of reformation. 16:35 So, these things were all added, 16:36 the ceremonial law was added until the reformation. 16:41 And whose reformation? 16:42 Christ's because it bring this out in verse 12 16:45 and verse 11 of Hebrews 9. 16:48 "But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, 16:52 with the greater and more perfect tabernacle 16:54 not made with hands that is not of this creation." 16:58 In verse 12 of Hebrews 9, 17:00 "Not with blood of goats and calves, 17:03 but with His own blood He entered 17:04 the Most Holy Place once for all, 17:07 having obtained eternal redemption." 17:10 I like when verse 13 says, 17:14 "Blood of bulls and goats and calves can't do it." 17:17 And then verse 14, 17:18 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, 17:20 who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot, 17:24 purge our conscience from dead works 17:26 to serve the living God." 17:28 So these ceremonies were dead works, because okay, 17:31 a lamb died and another lamb die. 17:32 Can you imagine how many thousands of lambs died? 17:35 How many thousands of gallons of blood was shed 17:39 and none of it could really save 17:40 until Jesus shed His blood. 17:43 You know, this is a great segue into your topic, 17:45 because we left off last time with a law of God. 17:49 Okay. 17:50 And the law that was abolished 17:53 or done away with was the ceremonial law, 17:55 the law that is the part of this question 17:57 that they are asking about. 17:58 The one that was added because of transgression, 18:01 that is the one that was removed 18:02 because of the blood of Christ. 18:03 That's right. 18:05 So we're gonna go ahead and transition now. 18:07 We want to spend more time on our topic today, 18:10 about the myths of dispensationalism. 18:14 If you have any more Bible questions, 18:15 you can send those to housecalls@3abn.org. 18:19 That's housecalls@3abn.org. 18:22 And surely we will take pleasure 18:24 and the Lord will work in a wonderful way, 18:27 that those questions can be answered to His glory. 18:31 Now, John, we did a couple of foundations 18:33 about the law. 18:35 You know just kind of reiterating 18:38 in dispensationalism 18:40 they thought that the Old Testament Jews 18:43 were saved by law. 18:46 Prefect transition. 18:47 But New Testament Christians are saved by grace. 18:50 Well, that doesn't really stand up to great scrutiny 18:52 because the Bible makes it very clear 18:54 that the grace of God was available all the time. 18:58 But go ahead and add this, John, I want to, 19:00 I want to bring out a text in Thessalonians. 19:02 We talked about the law last time how the law, 19:06 the dispensational view of the law 19:07 is that the Old Testament era 19:09 is an era or dispensation of law, 19:11 the New Testament is the dispensation of grace. 19:15 And how the Bible shows 19:16 that law and grace exist in both, right? 19:19 So, Abraham found grace in the eyes of God 19:24 as he was obedient to Him. 19:27 And we find of course, 19:28 obviously in Hebrews Chapter 11, 19:31 a faith chapter, right. 19:34 That clearly by faith, by faith, by faith, 19:37 by faith all of the patriarchs 19:39 and matriarchs of history of the Old Testament 19:44 lived and acted out their life 19:47 in accordance with God and His principles. 19:49 And so, when you see by faith that is the response 19:52 that the God's response to faith 19:53 is His grace pointing out His grace. 19:56 Clearly grace existed in the Old Testament 19:58 and throughout it. 19:59 In fact the word itself many times appearing. 20:03 Matter of fact, add to that grace, 20:04 Titus 2:11 reads this way. 20:08 "For the grace of God that brings salvation 20:11 has appeared to all men." 20:14 So grace is not new. 20:16 Noah found grace in God's sight. 20:19 Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. 20:23 And then in Exodus Chapter 33, "I know you by name." 20:29 The Lord said to Moses, 20:31 "And you have also found grace in my sight." 20:37 So Moses found grace in God sight. 20:40 Noah found grace. So grace is not new. 20:43 Grace has always been the foundation, 20:46 for by grace are you saved through faith. 20:50 And that not of yourselves 20:52 it is the gift of God not of works, 20:54 lest any man should boast. 20:56 So if you say that under the dispensation 20:59 that the Old Testament was by law and by works, 21:02 then they could boast. 21:06 But it says lest any men should boast. 21:08 Right. All right. 21:10 Let's go on and that kind of-- 21:12 That sums up law and grace. 21:13 That's right, it sums up law and grace, okay. 21:15 We've gotten that far. Okay. 21:17 Let me give you, 21:18 I think we're having me read the dispensational view. 21:20 You read the other aspect of it, 21:22 the biblical view. 21:23 Sure. Let's look at the covenant. 21:26 So we're talking about old covenant, 21:27 new covenant. 21:30 Here is the dispensational view. 21:31 There are two concurrently running covenants. 21:35 This is the dual covenant theory. 21:38 One for the Jews and the other for the church. 21:41 Israel of old was saved by keeping the law, 21:44 Christians are saved by receiving God's grace. 21:46 So law and grace have to them a key element 21:51 in their understanding of the covenants. 21:53 This dispensation of law old, grace new. 21:55 The other part of the covenants 21:57 they see is this historical aspect 21:59 where as, the old covenant is the Old Testament. 22:04 The new covenant is the New Testament. 22:08 That is a huge distortion of the covenants. 22:13 And we find that the Bible has a much different view. 22:17 Right. 22:18 And now let me read the biblical view 22:19 of the covenants. 22:21 "God has made one everlasting covenant 22:25 for the salvation of all mankind, 22:28 biblically the old and new covenants 22:31 are spoken off in two contexts, historical, 22:35 before and after Christ, and experiential, 22:38 converted and unconverted. 22:40 So the covenant that the Lord made, 22:44 let me just say something about covenant. 22:46 If the covenant was made by us, it will change. 22:53 But because the covenant was made by God, 22:55 it doesn't change. 22:57 Right. 22:59 I want to go and give you a chance 23:00 to expound on that 23:02 because I'm gonna get the scripture-- 23:04 Yeah. 23:05 That talks about, "I will not alter the things 23:08 that have gone out of my lips." 23:09 Go ahead. 23:11 Let me give the reason for what John was saying there 23:12 in regard to the two contexts of the covenants. 23:17 Because if you look in the New Testament, 23:18 it could be a little confusing 23:19 if you don't understand the context 23:21 of what you're reading. 23:23 Paul and the other apostles speak in a couple of context. 23:26 Number one, sometimes they do speak 23:28 of the old and new covenant 23:31 in this context of the old economy 23:34 of the Israel and the Jews, 23:37 and this new economy under Christ and the church. 23:42 They do speak of that. 23:43 But for the majority, the old and new covenant, 23:47 when Paul especially talks about that, 23:49 he is talking about experiential relationship 23:52 between God and His people. 23:54 So it is possible under what Paul writes, 23:57 it's possible to live in the Old Testament era, 24:01 and have a new covenant experience, 24:05 which is by faith and trusting in the grace of God. 24:09 And to live in the new church era, 24:13 and have an old covenant experience. 24:17 Which means, we do everything to be safe 24:20 or keeping in order to be safe, 24:22 we're doing things to appease God. 24:23 The relationship isn't quite right. 24:25 Everything is done out of the rigid, 24:27 kind of a pharisaical approach to things. 24:30 So this is why you have to, 24:31 as you're reading on the covenants 24:33 in the New Testament, 24:34 you've got to think in the two aspects. 24:36 What aspect is this writer, 24:38 is the author of this book in this chapter, 24:40 what is he writing about. 24:42 Is he writing about the historical, 24:43 to the current, 24:45 or is he talking about most commonly the experiential side, 24:49 the converted, unconverted aspects of new covenant, 24:52 old covenant. 24:54 First of all to insert the text 24:55 I was talking about Psalms 89:34, 24:58 "My covenant." 25:00 Now I mention this and let me lead 25:03 and let me precede it with the statement. 25:05 If the covenant was made by us we can break it, 25:08 or we could change it, or we can alter it. 25:11 And that's how we are, 25:12 we change based on circumstance-- 25:15 God doesn't change, we change. 25:16 Right, but the covenant was made by God to us. 25:20 He said this is what I promise I'm going to do for you. 25:24 And Psalms 89:34 says, "My covenant I will not break, 25:29 nor alter the words that the word 25:33 that has gone out of my lips." 25:35 I will not break my covenant. 25:37 So if he did not break his covenant, 25:40 who broke it? 25:41 Isaiah 24, go there with me, Isaiah 24. 25:45 I have a three Bibles in front of me, 25:47 because we like to cross reference very quickly. 25:50 Isaiah 24. 25:52 And we'll see exactly where the fault came in, 25:54 where the fault came in, excuse that 25:57 hoopla of the English language 25:59 that I just slaughtered. 26:00 Okay. 26:05 Isaiah 24:5, John? 26:09 "The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, 26:12 because they have transgressed the laws, 26:15 changed the ordinance, 26:16 broken the everlasting covenant." 26:18 Who broke it? We did it. People, yeah. 26:21 Humanity is the one 26:22 they transgressed the laws, one. 26:26 Changed the ordinance, two. 26:29 Broken the everlasting covenant. 26:33 Now I want to build on that really quickly 26:35 because, according to the dispensational view 26:37 and, John, read that quickly under yours 26:40 of the dispensational view of the covenants. 26:42 Just read that one more time. 26:43 There are two concurrently running covenants 26:45 known as the dual covenant theory. 26:47 One for the Jews and the other for the church. 26:49 Okay. All right. 26:51 So now, so if there is one for the Jews 26:53 and the other for the church, 26:54 then we could say God is pluralistic. 26:58 Yes. 27:00 God has two different ways of saving people, you are Jew, 27:02 okay, hold on, let me get the blue stamp. 27:04 You're Gentile, let me get the red stamp. 27:06 That is not who He is. 27:08 First of all, we've read in Titus 2:11. 27:10 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation 27:12 has appeared to all men." 27:14 All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. 27:16 Romans 3:23, "All of us have sinned." 27:21 But we've kind made the salvation Jew and non Jew. 27:24 So this covenant that was made, what has changed 27:28 because, let me read 27:31 and put this in the proper context 27:32 about the covenants. 27:33 If you go to Hebrews 8. 27:35 Let's go to Hebrews 8 27:36 and look at some of the covenants here. 27:38 Jesus, the covenant was ratified by blood. 27:43 By what blood in the Old Testament? 27:45 Now in the Old Testament, 27:47 there was no blood shed by Christ, 27:50 but there was blood shed by the lamb. 27:52 The covenant was ratified by the blood, 27:56 where there is no shedding of blood, 27:58 there is no remission of sin. 27:59 So for this covenant to work, blood had to be shed. 28:02 Hebrews 11, I'm there now. 28:05 Hebrews 8, I said, right? 28:06 Eight. 28:08 Hebrews 8, and let's look at-- 28:12 This in fact is entitled the better covenant. 28:17 John, why don't we just spend a few moments 28:20 on verse 4 to 6? 28:25 Go to verse 4 to 6. Okay. 28:28 "For if he, that is Jesus, were on earth, 28:32 he would not be a priest, since there are priests 28:34 who offer the gifts according to the law. 28:37 Who serve the copy and shadow of heavenly things, 28:40 as Moses was divinely instructed 28:41 when he was about to make the tabernacle, 28:43 for he said, saith he that make all things 28:46 according to the pattern shown you on the mountain. 28:49 But now he has obtained 28:51 a more excellent ministry in as much 28:53 as he is also a mediator of a better covenant, 28:56 which was established on better promises." 28:58 Okay, so now, see, everlasting covenant, 29:01 better covenant, somebody may say hold on, 29:03 "How can it be everlasting if it's better?" 29:06 Well, what makes it better is not that it changed, 29:12 but it's better. 29:13 Here's how it's better. 29:15 The blood of bulls and goats and calves 29:17 was used to ratify that covenant. 29:20 And when their blood was shed, 29:22 it was the symbolism of the payment for our sin. 29:26 But now if the payment of sin was under the blood of animals, 29:32 how much better were the payments of sin be 29:35 under a sinless. 29:37 That's right. Lamb, Christ. 29:39 The very next verse brings that out, verse 7. 29:43 "For if the first covenant had been faultless, 29:46 then no place would had been sought for a second." 29:50 Now what does that mean? 29:52 Lot of people think that, 29:53 okay now since the first covenant 29:55 had to with law, 29:56 then the next covenant had to do with grace. 29:58 Oh, so they say, 30:00 "Well, the fault of the old covenant was law, 30:02 and the blessing of the new covenant is grace. 30:05 Wrong. Wrong conclusion, yeah. 30:07 'Cause read verse 16, John. 30:10 This shows you clearly that the both covenants-- 30:12 Of which chapter? Of chapter 8. 30:16 Verse 16 of Hebrews-- 30:18 Sorry, verse 10. Okay. There is no page 16. 30:21 My contacts went little cloudy there. 30:23 "For this is the covenant 30:24 that I will make with the house of Israel 30:25 after those days, says the Lord. 30:27 I will put my laws in their mind, 30:29 and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, 30:32 and they shall be my people. 30:34 None of them shall teaches neighbor 30:36 and none his brothers saying no the Lord, 30:37 for all shown no me, 30:39 from the least of them to the greatest of them. 30:41 For I'll be merciful to their unrighteousness 30:43 and their sins and lawless deeds 30:44 I will remember no more." 30:47 This idea that salvation is now in a different basis 30:49 is not the issue of the covenants. 30:51 The beauty of the covenants is now, 30:53 hey, if you think that blood was really good, 30:55 my blood is sinless. 30:57 My blood is perfect. 30:58 And that's why I earlier read in Hebrews 9, 31:01 when it says "For if the blood of bulls 31:02 and goats and cows and heifers and sprinkling sanctifies 31:05 to the purifying of the flesh, 31:07 how much more will the blood of Christ." 31:10 So Christ, He is the mediator, Hebrews 9:15. 31:14 For this reason, 31:15 He is the mediator of a new covenant. 31:19 And therefore, what does that new covenant do? 31:22 What's the same in both? 31:24 Salvation, salvation, it hasn't changed. 31:27 Salvation, salvation. Lamb, lamb. 31:31 Grace, grace. Blood, blood. 31:33 Law, law. Law, law. 31:35 It's all there. Everything. 31:37 The other big piece of this two, 31:39 we're reading about the blood. 31:40 Right. That's right. But you said mediator? 31:42 The thing that makes this covenant better 31:44 is the mediation 31:46 that it's brought forward by the mediator Jesus Christ. 31:49 Before it was Aaron, it was his sons. 31:51 It was the high priesthood-- 31:53 Okay, keep going. 31:54 That was the mediator by man himself, 31:56 who is a prefigure of the Christ, 31:58 the Messiah who would become the high priest 32:00 of the heavenly sanctuary. 32:02 And so that what makes it better 32:03 is now it's Jesus mediating 32:06 with His blood in the heavenly sanctuary, 32:09 something and listen to these words. 32:11 Something the very initial part of the covenant, 32:15 the first phase of the covenant spoke to. 32:18 It was pointing all along to Jesus, 32:20 who would come. 32:22 The Messiah who would come, who would shed His blood, 32:24 and then become the high priest immediate 32:26 on behalf of all mankind His blood. 32:28 So the thing that made it better 32:30 was because it has been fulfilled. 32:33 Even Jesus says in Matthew 5:8, 5:17-18, 32:36 "I have come not to destroy but to fulfill." 32:38 That's right. 32:40 So sometimes we say, "Well, okay 32:41 well, he did away with the ceremonial law." 32:44 I think probably the more accurate rendition of that 32:46 is He fulfilled it. 32:48 Thank you, that's exactly-- 32:49 He fulfilled the ceremonial law, 32:51 because He came as the lamb, 32:53 there is no need for a sacrificial literal lamb. 32:58 He is the Lamb of God, He's given up His life, 33:00 and that's what the author of Hebrews is saying is that, 33:03 "It's not of bulls and goats anymore, 33:04 it's the blood of Jesus. 33:06 And so when the Bible says if it had been, 33:08 if it had not been faultless, 33:10 why would there be the need for another one. 33:12 Here's where the fault came in. 33:15 The faultiness of the priest, 33:18 he had to make a sacrifice for himself 33:20 before he went to the most holy place. 33:21 He was sinful. He was sinful. 33:23 That's where the faultiness, the human flesh as a priest. 33:26 Now you get a sinless divine one as our priest. 33:30 There is the faulty one, the humanity of it. 33:32 Okay, what else is faulty? The goat. 33:35 This kid walking around the ground, 33:38 never seen heaven, never been perfected. 33:40 That's the faultiness in the blood of the goat. 33:43 So by faith you had to accept that, 33:45 okay, this is a prefiguring of the faultless lamb. 33:47 That's why, Peter says, we have not been redeemed with gold, 33:51 nor silver, but with the precious blood 33:55 as of a spotless lamb. 33:58 That's right. You see. 33:59 So the fault is in the human aspects of it. 34:01 The fault is in the earthly elements of it. 34:03 The fault is in the fact that this priest, 34:05 if he did not perform a sacrifice 34:06 before he went to the most holy place, 34:08 and, John, you know, 34:10 they tied a rope around his foot 34:12 because if he didn't-- 34:13 Pulling out if he dropped dead. 34:15 And he had bells around the bottom of his garment. 34:18 If they didn't hear the bells, they thought, oh-- 34:22 He had some unforgiving sin. He has some unforgiving sins. 34:26 When they try to work for our, he is dead. 34:29 And they couldn't even go on there, they had to-- 34:31 You know, the interesting thing is, 34:32 there is no story of that happening. 34:34 There is no story of that happening actually. 34:36 Right, but that was... 34:37 There is only a story of what they had prepared to happen. 34:40 But there is no story of that actually happening. 34:41 Praise God for that. Praise the Lord in His mercy. 34:44 Those priests took it seriously. 34:45 Yeah, now I will say this. 34:46 This is the problem with the dispensation theory 34:50 that it confuses everything the Bible talks about 34:53 in the Book of Hebrews. 34:54 It confuses everything when the Hebrew, 34:57 the writers in the New Testament 34:59 talk about law. 35:00 Because if you don't understand what law, 35:02 what aspect of the law that's been done away with 35:04 or fulfilled. 35:06 When you don't understand all this language 35:09 about the high priest and the heavenly sanctuary. 35:12 The everlasting covenant that is one covenant, 35:14 but phases of that covenant before Christ, 35:16 then from Christ and afterward. 35:18 If you don't understand in that aspect, 35:20 you are going to miss the power of the gospel. 35:23 Right. 35:25 And the dispensational theory 35:26 as all these things in it to try and plug the holes, 35:30 you know, like a boat that's got a thousand, 35:32 you're trying to plug the hole, you don't have enough plugs, 35:35 it just false flat. 35:37 And they're trying hard, 35:39 but the only way to resolve this issue is Sola scriptura, 35:43 or the Bible and the Bible alone. 35:45 It make sense from old to new, it's in harmony. 35:47 It works together. 35:49 Don't ever accept that you're a New Testament Christian. 35:52 You're a Bible Christian. 35:54 And they both work hand in hand, 35:56 one in symbols portraying what will come, 36:00 the other in reality, in actuality Christ, 36:03 showing what has been portrait or disclosed 36:07 or it's disclosing what has been from old. 36:10 And so, you know, what I like about this, John, 36:12 this whole idea the mediator, that was huge, 36:14 that was just powerful. 36:16 The high priest was this symbolic mediator, 36:20 then at time Moses, 36:22 he mediated for the children of Israel, faulty. 36:26 Whenever that high priest died, 36:28 there had to be another high priest. 36:30 And another high priest, and another high priest, 36:33 and another high priest. 36:34 That's why when the New Testament writer Timothy 36:37 records these words as Paul communicated them 36:39 to this his protege, we read these words in 1 Timothy 2:5, 36:44 "For there is one God, didn't have to be replaced 36:47 and one mediator, between God and man, the man Christ Jesus." 36:51 Didn't need, Jesus will never have to be replaced. 36:54 The fault of the old covenant was not what it meant. 36:57 But what whose that represented what it meant. 37:02 The humanity, faulty, sinner need help himself. 37:07 Even the bulls and goats offered were tainted by sin. 37:10 Right. 37:11 It says everything is faulty in the old system. 37:13 And so, that's why when it says Jesus is a mediator 37:16 of a new covenant, a better covenant. 37:21 It means the materials 37:22 that are now holding this covenant together 37:25 are perfect faultless sinless and eternal. 37:28 So bring it back to kind of end 37:30 'cause we need to move into the next one, 37:31 but so one of the things we were saying 37:33 was that there are two aspects to new and old covenant, 37:35 there is historical and there is experiential. 37:37 The historical would be, 37:39 there isn't an element of the old which was faulty 37:42 and in the new phase under Christ which is perfect. 37:45 That's, that's the historical understanding of the covenants. 37:48 But then the new and old covenant 37:49 also is experiential. 37:51 That's right. 37:52 Believing in the Christ Jesus who would come as my sin bearer 37:57 and save me by His grace 37:59 and make me a obedient son or daughter of God, 38:03 that is the new covenant experience. 38:06 And those in the Old Testament, 38:07 if they looked upon on that lamb, 38:09 in that regard they were experiencing the new covenant. 38:11 That's right. 38:13 And then if those that just keep the law, 38:14 keep the law to be saved, 38:16 there were those in the Old Testament 38:17 that did that, 38:19 there were those in the New Testament do that, 38:20 there are those who still do that, 38:21 they're under the old covenant in an experiential sense. 38:25 So we don't want to confuse you, 38:26 but you have to understand what you're talking about 38:27 what the Bible speaking of 38:29 when you go through that topic of the covenants. 38:32 Anyway we need to move on to the next one. 38:34 Okay, even when you said, look, 38:35 you know when the throat of a lamb was slit, 38:38 the person who did that had to keep his eyes connected 38:41 to the eyes of the lamb as the lamb continues blinking 38:46 until all the life had drained out of that lamb. 38:49 And the lamp felt dead, that's why Jesus said 38:52 and that the language in the Bible 38:54 is so sanctuary based. 38:57 That's why he says, look to me and be saved, 39:00 for I'm God and there is no other. 39:02 I'm God and there is none like me 39:04 and so this, the whole beauty of it. 39:06 Let me just tell you the reason why, John, 39:07 this is something that I think 39:08 we want to make sure to cap off the session 39:10 about the covenant. 39:11 The reason why many evangelical say 39:13 there is a new covenant now, 39:14 we don't have to live by the old covenant. 39:16 First of all they like to disavow 39:18 many of the Old Testament principles 39:20 that are very important, and secondly, 39:22 they try to teach that 39:24 the old covenant was connected to law, 39:26 the new covenant once again connect to the grace, 39:28 how amazing it is and how providential 39:31 that we address law and grace and then covenants. 39:33 Yes. 39:35 Because the old covenant and the new covenant 39:37 is law and grace. 39:39 Here it is finally the text, Hebrews 10:16 39:41 speaking now of the Christian to broader perspective. 39:45 First one Hebrews 8:10 39:47 was the covenant with Israel after those days. 39:50 Now this is the covenant that God makes with all of us. 39:52 Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant 39:55 that I will make with them after those days, 39:58 says the Lord, I will put my laws 40:00 into their hearts and in their minds 40:02 I will write them." 40:03 Now this is the covenant he makes with us, 40:04 the first one he said. 40:06 "This is the covenant I will make with Israel 40:08 then now this is covenant I will make with you." 40:11 So the same covenant He made with Israel 40:13 is the same covenant He makes with us. 40:15 The law of God is in our minds and in our hearts, 40:17 you can't get away from it. 40:19 So there's no, so there's no, 40:20 I didn't read the law, I don't know. 40:22 Even Paul said, 40:23 "All those in Israel are not of Israel." 40:25 Thank you, that's right. 40:26 He says, in Hebrews Chapter, in-- 40:27 Romans 9 he said. 40:29 Romans 9, talks about 40:30 how the laws that are of Israel now are by faith. 40:31 That's right. 40:33 If you're Christ if you-- 40:34 I think it's Galatians 3:19, not Galatians 3:19. 40:40 But he says, "If you are Abraham seed, 40:42 then you are heir according to the promise." 40:44 Let's go to the next one. All right. 40:46 So, wow! 40:47 Okay, so the next one is the rapture. 40:49 And we're gonna talk about the rapture 40:50 and the second coming, 40:52 kind of in the same concurring topic here, 40:54 both topics. 40:55 But it says, on to the dispensational view, 40:58 "The rapture is a secret event 41:00 prior to seven years of tribulation, 41:03 Jesus snatches believers both alive and resurrected 41:06 from the church era and brings them to heaven." 41:09 So He takes them away secretly, 41:11 and this is what most are Christians, 41:15 in Christendom are waiting for today 41:17 is the secret rapture. 41:19 All right, go ahead, John. 41:20 And the rapture of God's people 41:22 described by Paul as been caught up, 41:25 this occurs at the second coming. 41:27 Let's start with the word 41:28 that connects them both together-- 41:30 And that's the biblical view. That's the scripture view. 41:32 So, the word rapture are caught up is biblical. 41:34 Right. 41:36 But it occurs at the second coming 41:37 and it's a visible, audible, powerful... 41:41 Earth shaking. 41:43 Earth shaking, life changing event. 41:46 Yeah, matter of fact that I talked about that 41:47 in one of my programs on A Sharper Focus, 41:50 I did a whole thing on the second coming 41:51 and the rapture. 41:53 And one of these and the rapture by the way, 41:54 the secret rapture 41:56 is the theory of spiritual Babylon. 41:58 It's not in God's word, not supporting. 42:00 And it's another dispensational view. 42:02 And by the way one of the reasons why we say, 42:04 second coming rather than rapture 42:05 is because, second coming does not even allude 42:09 to what the rapture, the word rapture alludes to. 42:13 You know, when we say rapture, 42:16 it alludes to this whole theory behind it. 42:19 People being snatched away, airplanes flying of course, 42:21 because the pilots gone, 42:23 cars crashing into building because the driver is gone. 42:26 Mama just disappeared from the breakfast table 42:28 because she got taken away secretly, 42:30 that's what the word rapture tends to denote. 42:32 So we don't even use the word rapture 42:34 when we describe the second coming of Christ 42:36 because rapture while in its actual Greek meaning 42:41 means caught away by a power other than your own, 42:44 we're not gonna be the ones that are jumping high enough 42:46 to make it to heaven. 42:47 We're gonna be caught away by God drawing us. 42:50 And we gonna ascend with the, those who are resurrected 42:53 and those who are alive gonna be caught up together 42:55 to meet the Lord in the air. 42:56 So let's go ahead and give a scripture 42:58 that goes ahead, 42:59 I think 1 Thessalonians 4: 16, 17, 43:02 let's just hit that one. 43:03 And read that one because this singular scripture alone 43:09 is the one that is often used by rapturous, 43:12 secret rapturous to say, 43:14 'Hey, see this, this is snatching away.' 43:16 But when you read it, and John's gonna read it. 43:18 When you read it, 43:19 you're gonna see is anything but secret, 43:21 every one of the components of it makes it an audible, 43:24 earth shattering, 43:25 life changing for the living and the dead, 43:27 and every grave is gonna be open around the world. 43:30 It's gonna affect the entire country. 43:32 You go there, and I'm gonna read really quickly 43:34 as I lead into that John 14: 1, 3. 43:36 Hey, wonderful. 43:38 Okay, 'cause we're covering both topics 43:39 at the same time, right? 43:40 Wonderful. Okay, let's go to Hebrews. 43:42 I mean 1 Thessalonians 4. You go to 1 Thessalonians 4. 43:44 Here's what John 14:1 to 3 says, 43:46 and this is probably one of the greatest prophecies, 43:49 it's not spoken of his prophecy sometimes. 43:51 Right. Right. This is the prophecy of Christ. 43:54 So he says to his disciples and to all of us, 43:56 "Let not your heart be troubled: 43:59 you believe in God, believe also in me. 44:01 In my Father's house are many mansions: 44:02 if it were not so, I would have told you. 44:05 I go to prepare a place for you." 44:08 Remember Christ ascended. That's' right. 44:09 After 40 days after the resurrection, 44:12 He ascended in invisible form, 44:14 angles pointing the fact that this same Jesus 44:16 who is caught up to you now will come in likes manner, 44:18 He'll come back in the same way. 44:20 This is what Jesus is talking about here, 44:21 He says, "If I go and prepare a place for you, 44:24 I will come again." 44:26 That's the second coming there. That's' right. 44:28 "I will come again and receive you to myself, 44:31 that where I am, that's in heaven, 44:34 there you may be also. 44:35 So I'm gonna bring you from earth, 44:38 I'm coming back to get you, 44:39 I'm gonna bring you from here to be where I am. 44:42 And where I go you know, and the way you know." 44:47 By the way leading up to this statement, 44:50 the disciples were saying, ''Where you going?" 44:52 Okay. ''We want to go with you. 44:55 Where are you going?" 44:57 So the context here is not 44:59 that Jesus is coming back to be on the earth. 45:01 The context is Jesus is going up to heaven 45:03 and they wanted to go with Him. 45:05 And so He says, "I'm gonna come back. 45:07 I'm going to get you 45:09 and I'm going to bring you to heaven with me." 45:11 That's the direction, 45:12 that's the context of John 14:1 through 3. 45:17 And so now, in that context 45:19 let's look at 1 Thessalonians 4. 45:21 I got to add something there 45:22 because when you just said that. 45:23 You know, friends, that's such a powerful text 45:25 because the reason why He is coming back to receive us 45:27 is because we can't go to meet him. 45:29 Right. He is coming back to get us. 45:31 The rapture teaches we're going to meet Him. 45:34 The Bible teaches He is coming to get us. 45:36 That's right. See. 45:37 And then the rapture is also another fall 45:39 that we're gonna go on to this in the millennium, 45:41 the rapturous, here is the fall of the rapturous. 45:44 The rapture is teaching an earthly millennial reign. 45:47 Why would He have to come to get us 45:48 and then hang out on earth with us? 45:50 Now this is a crazy, just think about this. 45:52 Why would He have to come and get us secretly, 45:55 then come back again and get those who weren't ready 45:58 only to stay down here with us. 46:00 You are establishing the point I made earlier, 46:03 it's the filling of the holes of the bucket. 46:05 The first problem 46:07 was that this millennial reign was going to recur. 46:10 Well, after you establish that, you read the text like this. 46:14 And text like 1 Thessalonians, 46:15 you have to come up with some doctrine 46:17 that puts Christ here for a thousand years. 46:19 So in order to put him here for a thousand years visibly, 46:22 you've got to have a rapture to get them up there first. 46:24 Right. 46:26 For how long, three and a half years? 46:27 Seven years they say, but, but these theories 46:31 they keep adding stuff to fill the holes. 46:33 If they would just read the Bible, 46:35 and let it do it, it will speak for itself. 46:37 It wouldn't seem discombobulated 46:39 and out of whack which in fact it does, 46:42 think about this. 46:43 He comes and snatches them away according to the rapture. 46:47 He comes and snatches them away. 46:49 They're gone for seven years. Where they're gone? 46:51 Supposedly to heaven. 46:55 And then at the end of the seven years, 46:57 He comes back to get the others and where does He take them? 47:01 Nowhere, because at that point 47:03 He's supposed to start His earthly millennial reign 47:05 so why is He coming back? 47:07 You see the mess up. 47:08 Yeah, and even the-- I'm coming back to get you-- 47:09 And that confuses the resurrection too. 47:11 Right, I come back to get those 47:12 that weren't ready the first time. 47:15 I'm sorry, but you can't go this time 47:16 because I've got to start my millennial earthly reign. 47:19 Right. It's whacky. 47:21 I mean I want to use a more intelligent word than whacky. 47:23 And we're not trying to say that with disrespect, 47:25 we're just trying to say 47:26 that this is how convoluted this system is. 47:28 Thank you. We're talking about the system. 47:30 We're not talking about those who believe it. 47:32 We're saying this system is out of, it's off kilter, 47:34 it's out of whack. 47:36 And we need to bring it back, we're trying to focus 47:38 on what the Bible says about this to bring it back. 47:40 You know some I'm hearing some echo right now, John, 47:42 and they're saying. 47:44 Two were in the field, one is taken, other is left. 47:48 I'll hit that in a minute. Well, we have nine minutes. 47:51 We'll do it. 47:52 You know what, John, 47:54 in the future we need to do the rest of these 47:55 and give it justice, because this is so valid, 47:57 this so powerful, that to run through it quickly 48:00 we'd almost rob those who are watching 48:02 and listening to this program 48:03 of the information that they need 48:05 to come out of darkness. 48:06 So even if we don't cover them all today, 48:08 we're going to let you know what they are 48:09 as far as at least reciting the topics. 48:11 Okay, we'll cover them in more detail. 48:13 And then we'll cover them on another program. 48:14 But, but here's what the Lord says, 48:16 just to verify what he just made the point there. 48:20 John 13:33, "Where I am going, you cannot come." 48:26 John 8:21, "Where I go, you cannot come." 48:31 John 8:22, "Where I go, you cannot come." 48:35 You can't go there. 48:36 John 7:36, "You will seek Me and find Me 48:39 and where I am, you cannot come." 48:41 You know, and the amazing thing is, 48:43 the reason why I actually insert in here 48:45 the immortality of the soul. 48:46 Right. 48:47 It's not a key part of dispensational theory, 48:49 but it helps foster it. 48:51 Is he, you would think that Jesus would have said, 48:53 "Where I'm going you can't come until you die." 48:56 Right. 48:57 You think he would have added, until you die. 49:00 Or if you want to come-- I see you after-- 49:02 Just go out and be a martyr. 49:04 Right. 49:05 You think that he would say that, 49:06 but he says nothing about it, he says, 49:08 "You'll come when I come back to get you." 49:10 That's right. 49:12 In the very book, 49:13 the very writer of this in John the Apostle 49:16 just two chapters earlier John 5:28 and 29 he says, 49:20 "The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves 49:24 will hear his voice and will come forth." 49:26 John 5:28, so there is a coming forth 49:29 everybody in the grave. 49:31 They're not heading out 49:32 to meet anybody before anyone else. 49:35 They're going to come forth. 49:36 So, but let me read 1 Thessalonians 49:38 because this is the key verse that the rapture is used. 49:42 I'm going to read starting with verse 13, 49:44 "But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, 49:46 concerning those who have fallen asleep, 49:48 lest you sorrow as others who have no hope." 49:51 Death is spoken of asleep by Jesus 4:14, 49:55 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, 49:58 even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus." 50:02 That is not, God does not bring him back to the earth. 50:05 When it says, God will bring with him, 50:06 that means when Jesus returns, 50:08 the power of God is drawing the saints 50:10 that were sleeping in the grave to the kingdom, 50:14 not they ain't coming back the first time. 50:17 And verse 15, "For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, 50:21 that we who are alive and remain 50:24 until the coming of the Lord 50:26 will by no means precede those who are asleep. 50:30 For the Lord Himself." 50:31 verse 16 "Will descend from heaven with a shout 50:34 with the voice of an archangel, with the trumpet of God, 50:36 and the dead in Christ will rise first. 50:38 Then we who are alive and remain 50:41 shall be caught up together, 50:44 to with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." 50:49 Let me hit that point, 50:51 that means the dead didn't meet him yet. 50:53 Mama who died five years ago didn't meet Him. 50:55 Daddy who passed away 15 years ago didn't meet Him. 51:00 The dead in Christ will be brought to life. 51:02 We who are still alive will be caught up with them 51:05 to meet Him. 51:07 There's going to be a resurrection 51:08 and the living saints, 51:10 they're going to meet him together. 51:11 they're not up there shaking hands, 51:12 ''Hey, good to see you, 51:14 I know it was bad circumstances, 51:15 left my family but at least I'm here." 51:18 That's the idea of this whole idea 51:19 they've already gone 51:21 and when you hear songs like, 'They've gone on before' 51:24 you can sing a beautiful song 51:25 but this still doesn't make that doctrinally sound. 51:27 In fact, that's one of my favorite parts 51:28 to do things we do in the funeral service, 51:31 in the memorial service, 51:32 to talk about the great reunion in the sky. 51:34 The great reunion. 51:35 You know some glad morning when this life is over, 51:38 I'll fly away. 51:40 You know just a few more weary days 51:41 and then I'll fly away. 51:43 No you didn't find anywhere. 51:45 You'll not find until Jesus comes back. 51:47 So make it clear. 51:49 You know, when I rise, 51:52 hallelujah by and by I'll fly away, 51:54 not when I die, see the difference. 51:58 They say, ''When you die, you gonna fly away." 51:59 No, when you rise, you're going to fly away. 52:02 So I think we've done a lot on that 52:03 but the point of the matter is, there is no secret rapture, 52:06 nobody's going anywhere. 52:08 And that's why we don't even use the term rapture 52:10 in describing the second coming of Christ. 52:12 The other thing to I mentioned here the taken, 52:15 one taken and the other fall. 52:18 Clearly when we're looking at this both Matthew and Luke 52:21 speak of this event of two being in the field 52:24 or two being grinding at the mill 52:25 or whatever it may be 52:27 and it says one is taken and the other left, 52:30 and the common reference there 52:32 is the coming interpretation there is, 52:33 the one that is taken is taken to heaven, 52:35 the one that is left is left behind. 52:37 That's kind of the whole theory of this dispensational view 52:40 that's built on in the book Left Behind Series, 52:44 a books and so. 52:45 But if you read the passage carefully, 52:47 you're going to see the context here is the days of Noah. 52:51 It says, ''As in the days of Noah 52:53 so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 52:55 And then it goes into the two will be in the field, 52:58 one will be taken, the other left." 53:00 It's interesting because when the disciples heard Jesus 53:03 tell that in Luke 17, what was their question? 53:08 Where are they taken? Where are they taken, Lord? 53:12 That is the question that they asked Jesus-- 53:14 Verse 37. 53:16 All they can think of is, this taken another left. 53:18 And they go where are they taken? 53:19 Because they knew what happened in the days of Noah. 53:22 Ones that were taken in the days of Noah 53:24 were taken by the flood. 53:25 That's right. 53:27 And matter of fact, John, you've got to do this. 53:29 Read Matthew 24:27, you have to read this, 53:32 because this is something that has so many people in the dark 53:36 about this taken and left 53:38 50 to 75 million books have been sold 53:40 to support this taken theory and this left theory, 53:43 and the Bible does not support 53:45 what the theory of the rapturous teach, okay. 53:49 All right, it says in verse 27 of Matthew 24, it says, 53:52 "For as the lightning comes from the east 53:54 and flashes to the west, 53:56 so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." 53:59 Okay. 54:00 And let me go and read in Luke 17. 54:03 Yeah, read the questions 54:04 from where the question of the disciples is. 54:06 "As the days of Noah were--" 54:08 That's the one actually I want to read in Matthew 24, 54:10 "As the days of Noah were 54:12 so, also will the coming of the Son of Man be." 54:14 Okay, here it is and verse 37. 54:17 That's the one right there 37, 54:19 I gave you, Matthew 24:37 read that. 54:22 Yeah, "As in the days of Noah were, 54:23 so will the coming of the Son of Man be." 54:25 Okay, in verse 39. 54:27 "For as in those days before the flood 54:29 they were eating, drinking, 54:31 marrying and giving in marriage, 54:32 until the day that Noah entered the ark, 54:33 and did not know until the flood came 54:35 and took them all away." 54:37 "So also will the coming of the Son of Man be." 54:39 Okay, now Luke 17. Here it is. 54:45 In verse 26 and then 27, "As it was in the days of Noah, 54:48 so will it be also in the days of the Son of Man: 54:50 They ate, they drank, they married wives, 54:52 they were given in marriage, 54:54 until the day that Noah entered the ark, 54:56 and the flood came and destroyed them all." 54:59 But taken away is destruction not deliverance. 55:04 That's right, it's very clear. 55:05 That flood came and destroyed them all, that's what-- 55:07 You just used the proof text method. 55:12 I tell you I shouldn't have-- 55:13 I throw that in there 55:14 because it's got such a bad rap sometimes 55:17 but you compared one scripture with another, 55:19 this is both of the gospel writers 55:21 are recording the same thing that Jesus is saying, 55:24 and they recorded in two different, 55:25 slightly different ways from there where they're hearing 55:27 and for the audience they're writing too. 55:29 And one says ''took them all away." 55:31 The other one says ''destroyed them all." 55:33 And that's what the flood did. 55:34 When the flood took them away, 55:36 it took them away in destruction. 55:37 We know that, that's why verse 35 to 37 very quickly, 55:40 two men will be gathering, grinding together, 55:42 one will be taken, the other left. 55:44 Two women. 55:46 Sorry two women grinding and then verse 36, 55:48 "Two men will be in the field, 55:50 one will be taken and the other left." 55:52 In verse 37, "And they answered and said to him, 55:55 'Where Lord he? 55:58 So he said to them, 55:59 "Wherever, the body is 56:01 there the eagles will be gathered together.'" 56:05 And the eagles there, actually, the word is more vultures. 56:07 Yeah, vultures and buzzards, yeah. 56:09 But eagles also are, they eat scavenges too. 56:12 Eagles are scavenger creatures also, 56:14 but the fact of the matter is, 56:16 you'll know where the water took him 56:18 because, can you imagine, John, after the flood, 56:23 the dinner that was waiting. 56:24 Yeah. Yeah. 56:25 Well, it parallels with the actual event occurring 56:28 in Revelation 19, just go to Revelation 19, 56:31 you'll see the feasts that were of the birds of the air. 56:34 The bodies of men who are gathered there to, 56:37 to be devoured. 56:38 You know, we have less than a minute left, 56:39 let's just iterate the different topics 56:42 that are affected by the dispensational view. 56:45 As we go on, hopefully in future 56:47 things we'll talk about the tribulation period, 56:49 that's the seven years for those that are the tribulate 56:52 or the dispensationalist. 56:54 There's no seven years of tribulation in the Bible. 56:57 There's the resurrection. 56:59 There's all... 57:00 This is where I could not find a lot of agreement 57:02 amongst dispensationalists, it's really confusing to them 57:04 and they have all kinds of things involving that 57:06 the millennium, life in heaven. 57:11 What happens after the millennium? 57:13 Even the little horn in Daniel 57:14 in the futuristic prophecies of the dispensation 57:16 are totally different than the Bible. 57:18 So those are some of the things we'll be covering very soon. 57:20 That's right, and we appreciate that you know, friends, 57:22 there is so much fuel in the Bible. 57:24 We pray that you study the Word of God, 57:26 so that when He does come, you will be ready 57:28 because you've accepted not only Jesus but His truth also. 57:32 God bless you. |
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