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Science in the Classroom -part 2

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00:24 Welcome to Heavens Declare. My name is Jim Burr. We're sharing
00:30 the Hubble telescope and the heavens in this series. This
00:35 program today is the second program in the series of science
00:41 in the classroom. The cry is we want science. We don't want
00:46 intelligent design, we don't want creation because that's
00:51 faith, you know. So we try to have some fun in this class.
00:56 I don't want to offend anybody but actually science is
01:01 constantly changing and we want something we can test. So we
01:05 test it today and 10 years from now it's obsolete. I can show
01:10 you statements where you've got to rewrite the textbooks. Many,
01:15 many times where you'll read that where if your books are
01:22 over 10 years old they're obsolete. In contrast, the Bible
01:27 writers were prevented from following the errors of the
01:32 time because there were a lot of errors, of course, in the past.
01:36 The Bible says there was a global flood and we can test
01:42 that. In fact, I've got a fossil fish here. We're going to
01:46 actually have the graphic up. We see shells and so forth on
01:51 top of mountains and so forth everywhere. The Bible says the
01:57 stars cannot be counted. In Jeremiah 33:22 when prior to the
02:01 telescope they knew there were 6000 stars in the sky visible to
02:06 the naked eye, around 6000. The Bible says like sands of the sea
02:10 shore. We can test that. The Bible says that he stretched out
02:14 the heavens, 17 times in scripture it says he stretches
02:18 out the heavens. Now scientists agree, the universe seems to be
02:23 expanding faster every day. The Bible says he hangs the earth on
02:29 nothing and we can test that in Job 26 verse 7. You would think
02:34 what holds it. Well gravity, gravity is actually what holds
02:38 the earth and all the planets together to the sun. The Bible
02:42 says the earth is a circle, it's not flat but it's a circle. They
02:47 used to think the earth was flat In Isaiah 40:22 it says he sits
02:52 over the circle of the earth. The Bible says the earth is
02:56 getting old. We can see that. We see erosion, we see the magnetic
03:00 field of the earth running down. We see the spinning, the earth
03:04 is slowing down. We reset our clocks a few microseconds every
03:09 year or two. So that would be the second law of thermodynamics
03:15 everything is running down, everything is wearing out.
03:17 If you don't believe that take a look at your kids' room and you
03:20 have to go in and straighten it. It just seems like everything
03:24 just naturally tends towards disorder; second law of
03:27 thermodynamics. The Bible says the earth is getting old like a
03:34 garment and that is in Psalm 102 verse 26. The Bible says one
03:38 star is different from another, one star differs from another,
03:43 I Corinthians 15:41, one star is different. Do you know we know
03:47 now that there are not two stars alike in the universe? Every
03:53 star is different. They have their own spectral light. They
03:58 pass starlight through a prism, then through a spectrometer and
04:03 see the absorption lines actually and in that they can
04:06 tell every element that's present on a star. In fact, they
04:10 tell us every naturally-occurring element on earth we see in our
04:15 sun to some degree or another. The Bible says one star differs
04:19 and if you remember and you'll see coming up pictures we have
04:23 where the Hubble zoomed in on the Omega star cluster and we
04:27 have 10,000 stars. I mean the colors in there are just
04:30 incredible. I mean, you can see green and blue and the red stars
04:35 being the cooler stars and yellow stars are cooler stars,
04:37 blue and the white ones would be the hotter stars. But the
04:43 chemical composition... we can see the elements that are
04:48 present in a star and in our sun So in the laboratory they could
04:52 heat carbon and pass it through a light and get the fingerprint
04:56 of carbon, get the fingerprint for every element and then we
05:00 can look at stars and compare that. So the Bible says one star
05:04 differs from another star in glory. In fact, it probably
05:08 wouldn't hurt to mention this. You know, we have never seen
05:12 a star being born. We cannot show you a picture where we
05:16 did not have a star 50 years ago and now we have a star. I don't
05:21 care what it says in the books. Orion is a star birth area, this
05:25 is a star birth nebula, this is a star birth galaxy where stars
05:31 are being born at great rates. Well if you continue to study,
05:35 you will discover that it takes 100 million years for a star to
05:39 be born. Our telescopes have only been around for about 400
05:43 years and so that's why we've never seen a star being born
05:47 because it takes millions of years. But I'd just like to tell
05:51 you, I don't care what the books say, we can't show you a picture
05:55 fifty years ago where we didn't have a star and now we do.
05:58 We have never seen a star being born. In fact, they say that the
06:02 universe is 13.7 billion years old and I don't particularly
06:06 have a problem with that. I believe the earth is young and
06:10 one of these days we'll get into that and I'll show you the Bible
06:13 says God's throne has been in the heavens from everlasting
06:17 from eternity past. If you check it out over and over and over
06:20 again the Bible says God's throne is in the heavens and
06:25 it's from old in the heavens and it's from everlasting.
06:29 The different scriptures would show you that. So people who say
06:34 that everything in the universe is made 6000 years ago, what do
06:39 you do with that? We have an infinite God that can create a
06:44 bazillion of everything and there is nothing in the universe till
06:49 Genesis 1? And the Lord says, man, I think I've got an idea.
06:53 I think I'll create a universe. Now if you check it out folks
06:56 the focus of Genesis the first chapter is the earth, the earth,
06:59 the earth, 21 times the earth, the earth, the earth, the earth,
07:02 the earth. Fifty-six times things about the earth and God
07:04 says in the creation account I'm talking about the firmament, the
07:11 air, the earth. I get letters and e-mails whenever I say this,
07:18 but check it out, of old he laid the foundations of the earth and
07:24 the heavens are the works of his hands. What would qualify as of
07:29 old? You see some of these Christians say that the universe
07:33 is young but the Bible says in II Peter, it's of old, it's of
07:37 old. Well you could go to Micah 5:2 where it's talking about
07:42 Christ, it says, Bethlehem Ephrata, out of thee shall come
07:48 he who is of old and then it adds from everlasting. So this
07:54 is an interesting topic, but if you check it out... I mean
07:59 Revelation 12:12: Rejoice ye heavens. It's talking about
08:03 when Satan is cast out of heaven into the earth. Woe to the earth
08:08 and it says he has a short time. Six thousand years is considered
08:12 a short time but yet the Bible mentions... Could it be God laid
08:16 the foundations of the earth of old and the earth was without
08:20 form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and
08:25 then 6000 years ago God came back and put life on earth.
08:29 Check it out. I think there's something here. That does not do
08:34 violence to the scripture or to science. These Christians out
08:38 there that say the universe is 6000 years old most of them they
08:42 won't keep the fourth commandment but they
08:43 use that. That's the one powerful scripture they use to
08:46 prove their point. For in six days the Lord made heaven, the
08:50 firmament and the earth. OK. Because God told us in verse 8,
08:55 he told us I'm talking about the sky. For in six days the Lord
08:59 made the firmament, the earth, the sea. If it is a hundred
09:03 billion, 200 billion galaxies, the earth, why would you
09:09 mention the sea? The earth is already 70 percent sea. That
09:14 really doesn't fit, does it? But if you put that scripture,
09:18 Genesis 1 verse 8, put that into the fourth commandment for in
09:21 six days the Lord made the firmament, the earth and the sea
09:24 all of a sudden it starts to fit So I think there's something
09:29 there. I really, folks, my heart aches. I think people will be
09:35 lost because of this issue. I mean, this is almost like the
09:40 gospel with some of them, almost like the gospel. And they say
09:44 this universe was made 6000 years ago. That last galaxy that
09:48 we showed you, 13 billion light years away, no, no, no, that
09:51 light got here. You know they jump through all these hoops
09:54 trying to figure out how the light could get here in 6000
09:57 years, but if you take a serious look... We're going to try to do
10:02 a program on that coming up. It will be months and months from
10:06 now when we get back to that. I kind of got off my subject but I
10:11 really believe people who are so emphatic, so dogmatic that this
10:16 universe was made 6000 years ago, people with a scientific
10:21 interest will roll their eyes. Another flat-earth person. They
10:26 think of you as a flat-earth person. You tell them this
10:28 universe was made 6000 years ago and then jump through four
10:30 or five, six hoops trying to explain how light got here and
10:33 all this kind of stuff. I know God could create the light on
10:37 the way but we have a problem because tonight we will probably
10:40 discover an exploding star that didn't happen. God said I'm
10:43 going to put one here and I'll put one over there and I'll put
10:46 one over there so it looks like it was made 6000 years ago. God
10:51 doesn't lie. But we need to get on with our program and the
10:54 whole point is we're trying to have some fun here in the
10:58 classroom. We want something testable and we don't want
11:01 creation, we don't want intelligent design, we want
11:04 science. And yet science changes all the time. So I have one
11:14 graphic coming up here I think. My wife and I, we've traveled
11:20 and lectured. We've been in Russia. I should probably say
11:25 Hi to my friends in Russia. We've been in 20 cities in
11:29 Russia. We've done campmeeting in Australia, campmeeting in
11:33 France and of course in the U.S. We're heading for camp meeting
11:36 in the Dominican Republic and so forth. The when we were in
11:40 Australia several years ago, we took that little solar telescope
11:45 you see over there, we took that scope with us and when we
11:48 arrived on Friday, lo and behold we had an eruption on the sun.
11:53 When you see an eruption like this it just takes your breath
11:57 away. Boy, that's the biggest one I have ever seen and
12:00 fortunately the people in Australia at camp meeting got to
12:03 look at that eruption. It was there unusually long. Normally
12:06 a true flare goes up and is gone in 20 minutes. It goes up at the
12:11 rate of 400 miles a second. The videos you see of the sun, of
12:15 course, are one thing because they're time lapsed. When we
12:18 were looking through this telescope you don't actually
12:22 see it move because it's 93 million miles away and 400 miles
12:28 in a second... You sense it's moving and I know many times
12:32 I've thought it was moving and I'll have maybe my wife take a
12:36 look at the telescope and you know 30 seconds later I go back
12:40 and it's doubled in that period of time. When you saw that arch
12:44 and you realize that our sun is almost 900 thousand miles in
12:48 diameter, so that globe of the sun, you see that arch of the
12:52 sun and then you see that eruption and we're talking a
12:56 huge, huge eruption, probably 200,000 miles or so, really a
13:02 large eruption. Getting back to our class we were talking about
13:06 science and testing it in the classroom so here was kind of
13:11 an interesting article. Today in the class the subject is solar
13:17 physics. Here was a statement that I found. It said, Oh
13:20 teachings beware. The solar dynamics observatory, that's the
13:25 SDO, is set to launch in February. Researchers
13:29 expect the SDO to rewrite the textbooks on solar physics using
13:35 a battery of advanced telescopes and magnetic sensors, some of
13:40 which can even peer beneath the sun's surface. So they're saying
13:45 you've got to rewrite the textbooks now because we have
13:47 this new satellite. Continuing on talking about the sun, here's
13:53 some stuff that I've pulled off of the internet and magazines
13:57 and books and so forth and this statement says, although it may
14:02 look empty, space is filled with gas and dust. Most of the
14:06 material was hydrogen and helium. This is how our sun was
14:10 formed. You've got to listen to this, but some of it was made of
14:14 left over remnants from violent deaths of stars. Now how did a
14:18 star form, how did our sun form? Well it formed by left over
14:23 violent deaths of other stars. Waves of energy traveling
14:28 through space pressed clouds of such particles closer together
14:33 and gravity caused them to collapse into themselves. This
14:37 is how the sun formed. The material grew closer. Gravity
14:43 caused it to spin. The spin caused the cloud to flatten into
14:48 a disk like a pancake. In the center of the material clumped
14:54 together to form a protostar that would eventually become
15:00 the sun. The young protostar was a ball of hydrogen and helium not
15:05 yet powered by fusion. Over the course of about 50 million years
15:10 the temperature and the pressure of the material inside
15:15 increased jumpstarting the fusion of hydrogen that drives
15:20 the sun today. It jump-started it, OK. Gravity, temperature,
15:25 pressure... Trying to create a sun on earth, these 2000
15:29 scientists, 20 billion dollars, because if we could harness the
15:34 sun there's so much energy in the fusion process of hydrogen
15:39 in the sun it would solve our energy problems. The problem
15:43 with it is so powerful. We can split the atom and control
15:46 it fairly well, but when it comes to hydrogen, I mean, it's
15:49 great for blowing up things if you want to build bombs, but it
15:54 is so powerful. But if we could just harness the chemical energy
15:58 that God put in the atom. The atoms in a penny; if you could
16:03 release that energy this would be equal to 2.2 million gallons
16:06 of gasoline. In a paper clip, if you could totally release the
16:11 power in every atom of a paper clip it would be equal to 18,000
16:15 tons of TNT. Yes, God spoke that energy into the atom and the
16:19 fusion process on the sun just continues to go on and on and
16:24 on. Well we are in France and also in Lawrence Livermore
16:28 National Laboratory trying to create a sun on earth. And what
16:32 they have accomplished, what 2000 scientists have
16:34 accomplished with 20 billion dollars is they have been able
16:37 to heat a capsule to the temperature of the core of the
16:42 sun for 20 trillionths of a second. They can't leave it on
16:45 longer because they don't want to melt California off the map.
16:49 So we've got this incredible power but yet the book, the text
16:53 says over the course of about 50 million years the temperature
16:59 and the pressure of the material inside increased jump-starting
17:03 the fusion of hydrogen that drives the sun today. Scientists
17:08 believe that the solar system was formed when a cloud of gas
17:14 and dust in space was disturbed, maybe by an explosion of a
17:19 nearby star called a super nova. Well wait a minute. I thought we
17:23 were trying to figure out the first star came to be but we
17:28 a star to make a star. OK. I'll read it again. Scientists
17:32 believe the solar system was formed when a cloud of gas and
17:37 dust in space was disturbed, maybe the explosion of a
17:42 nearby star. I thought we didn't have any stars. I thought we
17:46 were looking for a star. This is called a super nova. This
17:49 explosion made waves in space which squeezed the clouds of gas
17:52 and dust. In a vacuum, you're going to squeeze gas in a
17:57 vacuum? Gas wants to fill the vacuum, wants to fill the
18:03 container. So, squeezing made the clouds start to collapse,
18:08 OK, as gravity pulled the gas, the gravity of what, pulled the
18:13 gas and the dust together forming a solar nebula. What
18:17 gravity did that? In space we're at 450 below zero where it's a
18:27 vacuum and we've got to get from 400 below zero to 150 million
18:35 degrees C and so, just like a dancer that spins faster as she
18:42 pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin and collapse, OK.
18:47 They've actually clocked skaters when they pull in their arms at
18:52 over 300 revolutions a minute. The sun should be screaming
18:56 around, this is actually how it happened, and you can't even
18:59 see it move. We watch it every day. It takes 14 days for a sun
19:03 spot to move across the sun and it should be spinning like a
19:07 blades on a jet. If you took 12 trillion miles of gas and
19:11 condensed it down to the solar nebula it should be screaming.
19:16 And actually the earth is 28 times faster than the rotation
19:22 and this violates the second law of conservation of momentum. OK.
19:28 Eventually the cloud grew hotter and denser in the center. As the
19:35 disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick
19:38 together and form clumps. Some of these clumps got bigger as
19:42 particles of the smaller clumps stuck together eventually
19:47 forming the planets and the moon. So that's how our sun
19:52 supposedly formed. In our class room we are talking about
19:56 science wanting something they can test. OK. I think you see
20:01 we've got some problems here. It's interesting, it would be
20:06 nice if those people who promote evolution would be honest and
20:11 not try to deceive us and deceive the children and write
20:13 stuff in the textbooks that is not true. We see so much of that
20:17 and we have seen fossils. We had Piltdown man, we had Java
20:24 man, we had Nebraska man, we have had in National Geographic
20:32 199910 pages, beautiful color pages of dinosaurs with
20:36 feathers, the headline says feathers for T-Rex. That was
20:40 November of 1999. April, five months later, two little
20:45 paragraphs, woops, this fossil was doctored. And we had that
20:51 tooth in a gravel pit in Nebraska discovered by Harold
20:55 Cook and they created a whole race of people living in
20:58 Nebraska a million years ago. Of course, we've got to give it a
21:02 scientific name. Since it was discovered by Harold Cook it
21:06 became Hesperopithecus haroldcookii, and it turned out
21:10 to be a pig's tooth that they had created... You can go on and
21:14 look up Nebraska man. You can find pictures in the newspaper
21:18 We've discovered a race of in living in Nebraska a million
21:22 years ago. We've got good evidence for what I'm saying.
21:26 Here was an article where it says that evolution became in a
21:30 sense a scientific religion. Yes evolution is a religion and you
21:35 need a lot of faith to believe this stuff. This article says
21:40 almost all scientists have accepted it and many are
21:43 prepared to bend their observations to fit in with it.
21:47 This is from the Institute of Physics, Uppsala, Sweden and it
21:53 is J.U. Olsen. Another article in Sky and Telescope magazine and
21:58 that article says, by tweaking the basic cosmic parameters the
22:04 model can be fine-tuned to match the data. So what we're saying
22:10 is that people are prepared to bend their observations and also
22:16 tweak the data to make the two match. The subject today is
22:20 black holes. Class is going to study black holes. You're going
22:24 learn all about black holes. And for that, whoops, we're going to
22:28 have to have some magic. Here was an article in Astronomy
22:31 magazine which says, astronomers who study black holes are cosmic
22:35 magicians. They need to coax a great deal of meaning out of
22:39 precious little information. That was Astronomy magazine,
22:44 November, 2007. Galaxies. What created the black holes in the
22:49 center of our galaxy. The answer is we don't really know. It's
22:53 almost a chicken-and-an-egg situation, which came first, the
22:57 black hole and the galaxy formed around it or the galaxy and the
23:02 black hole formed within it. That was from Planet Science web
23:07 site. This we've quoted it in some our other programs and
23:12 I'm going to quote it again. Dr. Bacani from Los Angeles who
23:16 wrote a book and the title of that book was The Atoms,
23:22 Einstein, and the Universe. He says in the very beginning the
23:26 universe may have been as small as a millionth of a millionth of
23:29 a millionth the size of the smallest atom and it may have
23:33 been a million, million, million, million degrees and
23:37 here's how you get a universe without a creator, without a God
23:42 Because he goes on to say that we have this tremendous energy
23:47 in the universe. We see our sun erupting and fusing, 620 metric
23:52 tons of hydrogen every second, every second it fuses.
23:56 It's going to go for billions of years. So Dr. Bacani says we
24:01 have all this energy in the universe, but we have all this
24:05 negative potential energy and, therefore, energy cancels itself
24:09 out and therefore the universe could practically create itself.
24:13 Stephen Hawking would agree to that. But the Bible in Romans
24:17 1:22 says professing themselves to be wise they became fools.
24:22 Therefore, nothing created everything. OK. Class today
24:30 we're going to study galaxy clusters. Here was an article in
24:35 Astronomy. com on galaxy clusters and it said, for more than two
24:39 decades astronomers thought they had a good grasp of what was
24:43 happening in the center of galaxy clusters. Now they think
24:47 it's almost completely wrong. Sorry class, we're not getting
24:52 very far on learning about testable, verifiable,
24:55 falsifiable science. Here's another article by Norwitz
25:00 astrophysicist: One hundred billion galaxies, the silent
25:05 embarrassment to modern astrophysicists is they do not
25:09 know how even a single one of these stars managed to form.
25:14 Folks it is a joke, it's an absolute joke, absolute joke.
25:19 Hydrogen gas 12 trillion miles across pulled by gravity in the
25:23 coldness of space, in the vacuum of space, spinning and
25:25 condensing till they hit 100 million degrees where it's 400
25:29 below zero. It is a joke. Well our time is running out, but
25:32 you know we can test some things of the Bible because the Bible,
25:38 even though it's not a science book, the writers were prevented
25:44 from following the errors of the time. I like the one where it
25:49 says the animals produced after their kind. And I love this
25:52 illustration. You take an egg from a cat, a sperm from a dog,
25:58 everything for life. Francis Crick would be happy if DNA and
26:05 amino acids got here on an asteroid or a comet. This is a
26:11 guy who discovered DNA, he says the cat is so complex it could
26:20 never have created itself. Life could not create itself.
26:23 Therefore, maybe aliens did it. Maybe it arrived here on a comet
26:29 He would be happy if we could get DNA or if we could get amino
26:34 acids here on a comet or an asteroid. Maybe that's how life
26:39 got started. That is Francis Crick. So give me an egg from
26:43 a cat, and a sperm... let's test creation. Let's test the Bible.
26:46 They claim it's so easy. Ten million species on earth,
26:50 created themselves from this warm little pond and giving
26:54 everything necessary for absolutely everything necessary
26:58 for life, an egg from a cat and a sperm from a dog, it will not
27:01 work because your Bible says they reproduce after their kind.
27:05 Folks, we have just tested a statement from the Bible and
27:08 we've tested from evolution. You see, it will not work. Folks, it
27:12 cannot happen. That amoeba is never coming out of that pond.
27:16 That amoeba is never getting eyeballs because his DNA will
27:19 not permit it. There are 50 genes that are there to correct
27:23 for copying errors for mutations 50 genes in our body that are
27:27 there to correct for mutations and they say mutations is how
27:31 that amoeba, that microorganism, got out of the pond. Well here
27:34 we are down by the end of another program. I want to thank
27:38 you for watching Heavens Declare We'll be looking forward to our
27:43 next program. I'm Jim Burr. Thank you much.


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