Participants: Don Mackintosh, David DeRose
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000084
00:47 Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime"
00:48 I'm your host Don Mackintosh, 00:50 and today, I'm going to be talking with Dr. David DeRose 00:52 Welcome back doctor! 00:54 Good to be back with you, Don 00:55 Now you work at the Lifestyle Center of America 00:57 in preventive medicine. 00:59 What exactly does that mean? 01:01 Well, you know, most people, Don, when they think of 01:03 preventive medicine, they think of preventing things 01:05 from ever happening in the first place... 01:07 and that really is a part of preventive medicine. 01:09 That's what we call primary prevention... 01:11 preventing a disease process, or condition from ever occurring 01:14 But really, much of what we do 01:16 at the Lifestyle Center of America is secondary prevention 01:20 and tertiary prevention. 01:22 Wow, that sounds like a very important work. 01:24 Yeah, we usually don't tell the public about that... 01:27 but we tell them... we're helping them with 01:29 their disease processes. 01:30 So people come to us with their diabetes, or their heart disease 01:34 ...their high blood pressure, their weight problems, 01:36 their cholesterol problems, their arthritis. 01:38 They come with these conditions and we intervene... 01:42 We work with them on a lifestyle-based program 01:44 trying to deemphasize the need for medications; 01:48 trying to avoid surgery, and use more natural 01:51 lifestyle-based approaches. 01:53 So "lifestyle," what exactly is that? 01:54 Well lifestyle has to do with the things that we choose 01:57 to do on a day-to-day basis. 01:58 It has to do with how we sleep... 02:00 how many hours we sleep. 02:01 It has to do with how we eat. 02:03 It has to do with whether or not we exercise, 02:05 and if we do, what we choose to do. 02:07 It has to do with our social contacts... 02:09 our spirituality. 02:10 Let's talk about eating... you know, I hear a lot about 02:12 vegetarian diets, and there's 02:15 a lot of benefits we hear about that. 02:18 Do you have to be a total vegetarian to 02:20 get the maximum benefits? 02:22 Well, it's an interesting question 02:25 the way you ask it, Don. 02:26 Let me tell it to you this way, first. 02:28 The more we move in the direction of a plant-based diet, 02:31 the more we get a number of benefits; 02:33 when it comes to heart disease, 02:35 when it comes to cholesterol reduction, 02:37 cancer prevention... 02:39 But you don't have to be a TOTAL 02:40 vegetarian to get some benefit. 02:42 In other words, someone who starts decreasing their meat 02:45 and eating more fruits and vegetables, 02:47 is going to benefit themselves in terms of decreasing their 02:50 risk of a host of killer diseases. 02:52 A recent study in Iowa, looking at women's health... 02:55 They found that women who were eating more whole grains, 02:58 for example, were decreasing their risks... substantially 03:02 of developing diabetes in a short a time as 03:05 5 years down the road. 03:06 So using more whole grains like whole wheat, 03:09 and whole oats, instead of, maybe, so much 03:12 meat and fat, butter, cheese... 03:15 These women are benefiting their health. 03:17 But the more we move in that direction of eating more 03:20 plant foods, the more it seems, we benefit. 03:22 Classic case in point is with prostate cancer... 03:25 in the famous Adventist Health Study. 03:27 They looked at men and their eating habits 03:30 in terms of things like meat, things like milk, 03:33 things like eggs, things like cheese. 03:35 They looked at each of those categories, 03:37 and the more of those animal products they ate, 03:40 the higher the risk of death from prostate cancer. 03:44 So it does really matter... 03:45 and even small changes can make a big difference. 03:48 That's the message I try to give people. 03:50 They don't have to be overwhelmed by the 03:52 thought of being a total vegetarian. 03:54 Move in that direction, and you're going 03:56 to experience benefits. 03:57 Should anyone NOT be a vegetarian? 04:00 Should anyone NOT be a vegetarian... 04:01 In other words, should everyone 04:03 BE a vegetarian... another way to say that. 04:05 Well, Don, I like people to know... when I work with 04:08 them as my patients, when I speak publically, 04:10 when we're doing this program together... 04:12 I don't want people to feel 04:13 like they've got to be a vegetarian. 04:16 That is not the BIG message in health. 04:18 The message that I try to give is... Yes, 04:21 the research is pointing to the vegetarian diet 04:24 as being the optimal diet... The best diet. 04:26 But if a person feels that they can't embrace that diet 04:29 for whatever reasons... 04:31 If they feel socially; if they 04:33 feel physically there's problems with it... 04:35 If they feel income-wise... 04:36 Now, it's interesting, Don, the income issue... 04:39 Because most people find that when they adopt a 04:41 vegetarian diet, they save a lot of money. 04:43 But whatever the barriers are, you don't have to 04:46 look at this huge MOUNTAIN and say... 04:48 "I can't climb the mountain" 04:49 "I can't be a total vegetarian" 04:50 ...Start moving in that direction, add more fruits. 04:53 Add more vegetables. Add more whole grains. 04:55 Add the beans and the nuts! 04:57 All of these things have been demonstrated 04:59 to make a difference as far as our health. 05:01 Well let's say... I really like my milk, 05:03 I really like my eggs, I really like my cheese, 05:05 and I like a little bit of my meat too... 05:08 You know, let's say I just 05:10 REALLY don't want to give those things up. 05:12 What do you say to patients like that, 05:13 that come to the Lifestyle Center of America? 05:15 Don... NOBODY likes to change. 05:18 NONE OF US DO! 05:19 We're comfortable with the way we live. 05:22 But the beauty of lifestyle change is the way 05:26 the Creator made us. 05:27 God created us with the ability to choose 05:32 what we will enjoy, and when we realize that 05:35 and we realize that I can develop new tastes, 05:37 new enjoyments, I can look at changing lifestyle 05:41 as an adventure rather than a burden. 05:44 I gotta tell you about a patient who came to the 05:47 Lifestyle Center of America... "Larry Martin" 05:49 Now Larry is a high-powered engineer. 05:53 He's literally a rocket scientist. 05:55 From NASA... or something like that. 05:57 You got the idea. 05:58 And Larry came to us from Texas, and he had drawn some 06:02 lines before he came. 06:04 He was a man who liked his meat. 06:06 He wasn't really open to change, 06:08 but he was willing to come to the Lifestyle Center of America 06:11 where we serve a total vegetarian diet, 06:14 and some dramatic things happen. 06:16 We've got a clip of Larry sharing himself 06:19 with what happened during that time... 06:20 Probably nothing more eloquent than listening to Larry himself 06:23 Let's join Larry... 06:28 Ha, ha, ha, ha... YES... that was probably 06:33 the biggest surprise I had here... 06:35 other than all the staff and the apparent care and interest 06:41 that they had. 06:43 I don't guess I'd ever had a meal in my life 06:47 that didn't have at least one type of meat on it. 06:51 And, on the literature you sent me before I came down, 06:59 you had this nice little quiet phrase buried in all of that 07:03 that said, "You'll get to enjoy 3 wonderful 07:06 vegetarian meals a day. " 07:09 And I knew that someone had lost their mind. 07:16 It just... That wasn't going to be! 07:19 But then I convinced myself that I could put up with it 07:26 for a while... being an engineer and all that type of thing, 07:29 I knew I could make that happen. 07:33 So I got in my truck and started up here. 07:36 But long about "Ardmore," I'd run into a 07:40 significant moment of weakness, 07:43 and I pulled into a grocery store there, 07:47 and I bought $93-worth of prepared meats 07:50 and hid it in my luggage. 07:52 All the jerky they had... things like that, 07:57 because I knew darn good and well, 07:58 I wasn't going to last 19 days with no meat. 08:02 Got up here and I quickly hid it in the chest, 08:06 and covered it up with all my clothes and all that, 08:09 but I knew exactly... I had it laid out where I knew 08:12 all the different things I had, and I was visualizing 08:15 how great they were going to be to go with this 08:17 bunch of vegetables you guys were going to try to feed me. 08:20 Surprisingly enough, as you are well aware, 08:23 I gave that entire stock, totally unopened, 08:28 to my doctor when I left here because I never missed it. 08:32 I loved the food... It was fantastic! 08:38 That's an amazing story! 08:42 Hides the jerky... ha, ha, ha 08:45 Yeah... He had all this contraband meat 08:47 in our vegetarian institution. 08:48 So what happened? 08:50 Did he bring it down to a program and CONFESS? 08:52 That's what he did... at the graduation, 08:55 He said, "Look it, I never needed this stuff. " 08:58 And he gave it all to the physician who was caring for him 09:02 The thing that it illustrates, Don, is here was someone 09:06 who was a dyed-in-the-wool meat-eater... 09:08 He could not imagine life as a vegetarian 09:12 but he made a critical decision. 09:15 He was actually going to try a vegetarian lifestyle for a while 09:19 Now if you heard him talking, 09:20 that wasn't really why he came to us. 09:22 He came to us because he had other health problems 09:24 but he was kind of hedging his bets... 09:28 He didn't burn all his bridges, but he was willing to 09:30 try a vegetarian diet though. 09:33 And once the guy starts eating it, 09:35 he says, "this is really palatable" 09:38 This is a good diet! 09:39 And I want to give a message to people, Don... 09:42 If they feel like they've tried vegetarian foods, 09:45 and it doesn't taste good, 09:46 they've been eating the wrong foods! 09:48 They haven't been eating foods from the right chef. 09:50 Now, I'm exaggerating a little bit... 09:53 Because it does take a while for our tastes to change. 09:57 But the point is, if we make a change and stick with it... 10:00 Larry did it for 19 days... 10:02 Let me ask you this question, speaking about choice... 10:05 It's all well and good... we hear Larry, 10:07 and it's quite amusing, and yet he made a choice. 10:11 Is there any scientific data that goes along with our 10:14 ability to make a choice? 10:15 Have scientists found out that we can, indeed, 10:18 make choices and actually change? 10:20 Oh, I mean, this is very clear when it comes to 10:22 dietary practices; study after study, 10:25 I mean a classic study has to do with salt. 10:27 When people dramatically decrease their salt consumption, 10:30 the food, at first, tastes bland! 10:32 People could say, "Well, am I going to live the 10:34 rest of my life enjoying this bland food?" 10:37 Is it worth it for my blood pressure, my fluid build up, 10:40 or my congestive heart failure?" 10:41 Whatever reason they decreased the salt... 10:44 At first, the food tastes terrible! 10:46 But when they stick with it, they develop new enjoyment. 10:50 They start to enjoy the low sodium foods... 10:53 And when you give them that choice morsel 10:56 that they had saved from a year ago, 10:57 that high salt menu item... 10:59 it's distasteful... They don't like it. 11:02 The same has been shown with fat. 11:04 A classic pilot study... 11:07 "The Women's Intervention Nutrition Study" 11:09 A study looking at decreasing fat consumption in women 11:12 that have had breast cancer. 11:14 In the pilot research, in the preliminary research 11:17 to this big study, they actually had women decrease 11:19 their fat consumption. 11:21 Those that decreased their fat consumption 11:23 NOT ONLY... NOT ONLY did you see changes 11:27 in different measurements; their weight, 11:30 their blood fats, and things, but importantly 11:33 from the standpoint of our discussion, 11:36 their tastes changed. 11:38 They developed a distaste for the high fat foods 11:41 they used to enjoy. 11:42 That was true for the majority of those women. 11:45 So, you know, scientists studied this... 11:46 Have they ever gotten nervous... 11:48 that as they do this study, people won't make the 11:50 right choices, and they'll lose all their research money? 11:52 Have they ever done a study that says... 11:54 "Hey! Can these people really change, because I'm 11:56 researching this, and I really want to know whether or not" 11:59 This is a big issue; that's why they do pilot studies. 12:02 Can people change and stick with it... 12:04 And they find in this kind of research 12:05 that people, especially when they get benefits from 12:08 their lifestyle change, they stick with these things. 12:11 The tastes change, PLUS they get the benefits 12:15 of a new way of living. 12:16 Well then, why is it that every time I... 12:18 well, not myself personally, 12:20 but I hear people... They come through our 12:22 health program, and they come through yours, 12:23 and many times, they'll say things like... 12:25 "Well, I went to my doctor, and my doctor says, 12:28 "This is what you really should do, but I don't think anybody 12:30 can make that change. " 12:31 Why do doctors say that? 12:32 Why do other people say that? 12:34 Well I tell you, I believe it's unfortunate, Don. 12:37 And the reason it's unfortunate is most doctors have not had 12:41 the experience of making dramatic lifestyle changes. 12:44 Now, I have a unique advantage because I was not 12:46 raised a vegetarian; I was raised on a pretty typical 12:50 American lifestyle, and I don't blame my parents for that. 12:53 And some people think I had better habits than others 12:57 when they hear that I ate a regular breakfast. 12:59 But my regular breakfast, when I arrived in high school, 13:04 was going to the vending machines, 13:06 and having a Coke and a candy bar. 13:08 That was my routine, and I would frequent the 13:11 fast-food restaurants, but I've changed my lifestyle... 13:14 And you know what? 13:15 The quality of my life is better... 13:17 I enjoy my new way of eating better. 13:19 I don't have a lot of stomach problems that I used to have. 13:22 And so, when I talk with patients, Don, about 13:25 lifestyle change, it's not just based on the medical research, 13:29 it's based on my own experience. 13:31 And I've made dramatic changes... 13:32 Yeah, it's difficult to make the changes at first, 13:35 but over the long haul, once you've done it, 13:38 you wouldn't have it any other way. 13:39 Still have an occasional candy bar? 13:41 You know what? 13:43 I have not had a candy bar in 13:45 probably 20 years... Now I have had... 13:49 20 YEARS? How do you do this? 13:51 Because I've developed new tastes. 13:53 I don't want a candy bar. Okay, great! 13:55 I was in an awkward situation once... 13:58 where I felt socially constrained to accept a... 14:02 I'll tell you the story. 14:03 I was in kind of an informal singing group 14:07 and we'd sing for shut-ins. 14:09 It was kind of a captive audience, you'd say... 14:12 For those that can't get out of their home... 14:14 Right, right, and so we'd go in, and we went to a new home 14:18 one day; we were singing for them. 14:20 Apparently the people that were caring for those who 14:23 couldn't get out of the house... were so touched 14:25 that they slipped off into the kitchen, unbeknownst to us, 14:28 and all of the sudden, they appear with a big tray 14:30 with individual paper plates with cookies and ice cream. 14:35 Now, at this point, I was several years into 14:37 a new lifestyle, even though every NIGHT, 14:41 some years before, I'd have things like 14:43 cookies and ice cream... 14:44 Now, I didn't want cookies and ice cream. 14:47 Now the fellow next to me... 14:48 I looked at him, and he had a real good strategy. 14:50 He slipped the cookies into his pocket... NICE! 14:54 But it doesn't work for ice cream, Don. 14:58 That could be a problem. 14:59 So I said, I know what I'm going to do, 15:01 I'm going to just kind of play with the ice cream 15:03 a little bit; I really didn't want to eat it... 15:04 and eat a little bit of it, I didn't want to offend 15:08 the people... I thought it was important 15:10 socially, to do this, accept their hospitality. 15:13 And so as I'm eating a little bit of this ice cream, 15:16 it tastes sickeningly sweet, and fat; 15:20 and I'm thinking to myself... I'm literally kind of feeling 15:23 sick... I mean I didn't actually GET sick, but 15:26 I said, "I used to eat this food ALL THE TIME!" 15:30 "I used to ENJOY it!" 15:31 "But now it is distasteful. " 15:33 And when you make a clean break with things, Don, 15:35 that's what tends to happen. 15:37 So I don't miss the ice cream, the cookies, 15:39 and I ENJOY the lifestyle I'm following. 15:41 So the only thing you might need is 15:42 ziplock bags inside your suit coats in case 15:45 this happens again, right? 15:46 You know, I haven't gone that far yet, but it's a good idea. 15:49 We're talking with Dr. David DeRose 15:51 We're talking about the fact that you CAN, in fact, change! 15:54 God has given you the power of choice. 15:56 When we come back, we want to talk more about 15:58 how we can cook so that we can ENJOY the food. 16:01 Larry threw away his whole stash, and maybe you can too! 16:04 Join us when we come back. 16:08 Have you found yourself wishing that you could shed a few pounds 16:11 Have you been on a diet for most of your life... 16:13 but not found anything that will really keep the weight off? 16:16 If you've answered "yes" to any of these questions, 16:19 then we have a solution for you that works. 16:22 Dr. Hans Diehl and Dr. Aileen Ludington 16:25 have written a marvelous booklet called... 16:27 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 16:29 and we'd like to send it to you FREE of charge! 16:32 Here's a medically sound approach successfully used 16:35 by thousands who are able to eat more, 16:37 and lose weight permanently without feeling guilty 16:40 or hungry through lifestyle medicine. 16:42 Dr. Diehl and Dr. Ludington have been 16:45 featured on 3ABN, and in this booklet, 16:47 they present a sensible approach to eating, nutrition, 16:50 and lifestyle changes that can help you prevent 16:53 heart disease, diabetes, and even cancer. 16:55 Call or write today for your free copy of 16:57 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 16:59 and you could be on your way 17:00 to a healthier, happier you! 17:03 It's absolutely free of charge, so call or write today. 17:09 Welcome back, we've been talking with Dr. David DeRose 17:11 We've been talking about the fact that you can change 17:14 and what you should change to if you want to be healthy. 17:16 We've been talking about being a vegetarian, 17:19 and you said, "Hey, not everybody has to be one, 17:21 but to the extent that you can be one, 17:23 you're going to be healthy" Isn't that right? 17:25 It's true, and the other point we're making is 17:28 many people think they CAN'T make dramatic changes. 17:31 Like Larry... because they've never tried. 17:33 The difference between Larry is he was willing to go into 17:36 a situation where he had to make some changes. 17:39 If you just joined us, Larry came to the 17:43 Lifestyle Center of America, and before he got there... 17:45 He said, "Look, I've got to stock up on some meat, 17:48 and some different things, because I... 17:50 there is this silent phrase there that 17:52 we're going to have vegetarian meals" 17:54 ...And then later on, he confessed this to everybody 17:57 and had given UP the MEAT! Amazing! 17:59 He never ate the meat the whole 19 days. 18:01 And so there is the ability to change, 18:04 and people can make that choice. 18:05 But I really want to hear what you have to say about this... 18:09 And I think you're going to show us some footage of this 18:11 I think it's really important when someone is making 18:14 that transition that the food that they're now experiencing 18:17 is GOOD food! Do you think that's important? 18:19 You know, you're right... the food has got to taste good 18:21 but the OTHER thing is... 18:23 I mean, it was not just enough for Larry, or anyone 18:26 who goes through our program 18:27 at the Lifestyle Center of America... 18:28 to see that the food tastes good... 18:31 We're in rural Oklahoma, yes, we have a great program, 18:36 people come from all over the country, and outside the country 18:38 But let's face it, it's a long commute from New York City, 18:42 where we've had patients come, and from Southern California 18:45 to come to Oklahoma. 18:48 So, people have to be convinced, not only that vegetarian meals 18:53 can taste good, but that they're accessible to them in their home 18:57 That they can either prepare these things, 18:59 that they can somehow take advantage of a 19:02 vegetarian diet in their own environment, 19:05 and that's why we have cooking classes. 19:07 It's not unique to our program here on 3ABN. 19:10 There are programs that help 19:11 educate people on cooking... This is vital! 19:14 Don, at your church, in the CHIP program, 19:15 you teach people how to cook. It's a BIG thing. 19:19 And so, what I want to introduce our viewers to is 19:22 Gardenia Montalvo... 19:24 Gardenia came to us in dire physical straits, 19:28 and one of the things that changed her perspective 19:31 was seeing that a vegetarian diet was accessible... 19:34 It was something she could do. 19:35 Not the WHAT but the HOW. That's right 19:37 That's what she learned. 19:39 Well let's look at that... 19:41 The cooking classes are incredibly fun 19:44 because first, you get a demonstration 19:48 by 2 professionals trained in cooking, 19:52 and then you go hands-on to the stations, 19:55 and you make a couple of dishes and it's so enjoyable. 19:59 And, you learn to work with soy-based products, 20:03 and make delicious food which I thought was impossible... 20:07 Like I didn't miss, at the Thanksgiving table, ANTHING! 20:11 I thought it was like having a totally normal 20:14 thanksgiving dinner, and there was only plant foods there 20:17 on the table, and everything was delicious. 20:21 That's great, and now she's saying... 20:23 "Maybe I know how to do this; I know what I'm doing" 20:27 The cooking classes we do at the Lifestyle Center of America 20:29 are different than some cooking programs. 20:31 They're actually hands-on. 20:33 I think it would help our viewers, Don, 20:35 if I showed you some footage of our cooking classes 20:39 and just explain a little bit of how we do things there. 20:42 Good! Great! Let's look at that, 20:43 and why don't you just talk me through it, 20:45 walk me through it as we're watching. 20:46 I'll do that. All right! 20:48 So right here, this is the situation we have, 20:51 what's going on here? 20:53 What you see... we've actually got 6 different stations 20:55 We're focused in on 2 of the stations... now on one here. 20:59 And these are guests that are preparing food? 21:00 These are guests... people with various health concerns 21:03 Some just wanting to prevent disease, 21:05 but many with things like diabetes, heart disease, 21:07 high blood pressure, weight problems... 21:09 And they're learning actually to cook. 21:10 There's our cooking instructor, Jodi Crandall, 21:13 there in the white apron. 21:14 And she's explaining to some of our guests, 21:17 that's what we call our patients... 21:19 how to prepare the meal. 21:20 They've got the recipe there. 21:21 They're cutting the food. They're preparing it. 21:24 And it's astounding to many of them... because they say to us 21:28 "Wow! We're not only learning a better diet, 21:33 but we're actually preparing it ourselves. " 21:35 And not only do they prepare the food, they taste the food. 21:38 They see how they do, and this is shortly before our 21:42 noon meal is served, and they're trying out 21:46 what's actually going to be served then in the dining room. 21:49 They're going to eat the food that they made! 21:51 Oh so this menu goes along with what they're going to 21:53 actually be eating. That's exactly right, 21:55 and, as they are experiencing the diet there at the 21:57 Lifestyle Center of America the first few days, 22:00 I mean it is good. It's good food. 22:01 And the guests do a great job. 22:03 I often joke with them, Don... 22:04 I say, "Boy, if you lose your job, you've got 22:08 another profession to fall back on" 22:10 ...Because they're learning the skill of cooking. 22:12 You know, I think that's so important in our program 22:14 What we try and do is each week, 22:18 they have a day that they prepare everything, 22:20 and they prepare the food. 22:21 And there might be 6 to 10 people around the table, 22:24 and each of them take a different menu item, 22:26 and as they take that menu item, then they come back 22:28 and there are always disasters... 22:30 I mean, especially when I'm involved in cooking. 22:33 But where there are failures, there are also successes, 22:35 and by the end of it, we getting adept. 22:38 So the points we're trying to make here... 22:41 is that people that when they look at their diet, 22:43 and they've been told they need to change, 22:45 or they're reading things and saying they need to make 22:47 changes, I first always try to tell people... 22:50 "Don't be afraid to make dramatic changes" 22:53 "Don't be afraid to make clean breaks with certain things 22:56 if that's what you need to do" 22:57 And it doesn't mean, necessarily being a total vegetarian. 23:01 It may mean making a clean break with red meat. 23:03 Maybe that's what someone needs to do... The initial step 23:05 Yeah, or a clean break with ice cream... 23:07 if that's one of the things that's undermining your health. 23:09 Careful now... I know I can get on some thin ice here. 23:13 It's not a message I'm telling everyone that they've got to 23:15 give up certain foods, but YOU'VE got to identify 23:18 what things are getting in the way of your health goals. 23:21 What you want for you... 23:22 In other words, you know this causes this, or that... 23:24 You know it's going to lead to, so you make the decision 23:26 in light of the scientific facts. 23:29 That's right... and Don, I always try to bring it on 23:31 to a spiritual level. 23:33 Because we've got a God who tells us... 23:36 He's interested in us having abundant life. 23:39 God is willing to direct us in lifestyle. 23:42 Think about the 10 Commandments... 23:44 That's a pattern for lifestyle isn't it? 23:47 In relationships, basically. Exactly 23:51 The interesting thing about the 10 Commandments 23:54 is they talk MOSTLY, for the most part, about clean breaks. 23:59 It doesn't say... It would be a good idea to kill less. 24:02 Right? It doesn't say... Limit adultery. 24:07 It says, "Don't do it. " That's right. 24:09 But we're afraid, as people, to often make those clean breaks 24:13 But there is power in clean breaks 24:15 ESPECIALLY if God has called you to do it. 24:17 And so I tell people, "PRAY," 24:19 ask God... what He's calling you to do. 24:22 What He wants you to make a clean break from. 24:24 That's right... Does He want you to walk away from the meat. 24:26 Does He want you to walk away from certain sweet foods. 24:29 It doesn't mean you have to be a total vegetarian 24:31 and never touch dessert. 24:33 Now, here's where it really gets interesting. 24:38 Not only does it demand that we 24:41 are willing to make some changes... 24:43 Not only does it demand that we can see the new lifestyles 24:48 accessible... whether it's your cooking class or something else, 24:51 How to do it... How to do it. 24:53 But, you know, the other critical ingredient 24:55 is we need role models. 24:58 That REALLY helps the process. 24:59 I say we need them; it sure makes it a whole lot easier. 25:02 Physicians like yourself, or people, 25:04 Lifestyle Center of America, or... 25:06 Well, I'll tell you, yes. 25:07 Staff is great there. 25:09 People in the community. 25:10 You know, I LOVE the experience of our cooking school instructor 25:14 Jodi Crandall... because Jodi, by her own admission, 25:17 couldn't cook! 25:19 We've got a clip of Jodi talking about her experience. 25:22 This is before she worked with you... 25:24 Before she worked with us. 25:25 Okay, let's join Jodi. 25:29 Being a vegetarian is very exciting. 25:33 It's an adventure for me. 25:34 I used to eat meat until I was about 25-27 25:38 and I actually had just learned to cook when I went away 25:43 to college, so I can relate to a 25:45 lot of the students that don't cook. 25:47 I've never really tried to tell them, 25:48 "If I can cook, so can you. " 25:50 I could burn water in a pan 25:52 and I have learned to cook, and I LOVE it! 25:55 I became a vegetarian when I was going to college 25:58 because it was an adventure. 26:01 I never heard of it before. 26:03 I thought it would be fun to try, 26:04 and it has been a lot of fun. 26:06 I have found so much variety... 26:09 For every meat that you have out there, 26:11 there's got to be at least 7 beans to each one. 26:14 And the grains... people don't really know 26:18 about all the grains that are out there. 26:19 You've got whole wheat, rather than just white flour. 26:22 You've got millet... they think it's JUST for birds. 26:26 But it's actually delicious. 26:30 I like that she's looking at this as an adventure. 26:33 More than just a... "Oh, I had to change" 26:35 "I had to give up this... I had to give up that" 26:37 She LIKES it... it's almost like she's contented 26:40 Is that the secret, contentedness? 26:42 That's one of the secrets, Don. 26:43 You know, when God gives us a program, 26:46 whether it's something we like at first or not... 26:48 Paul said... he'd learned in whatever state he was in, 26:52 to be content. 26:53 At first, that contentment is we're just trusting the Lord 26:57 sometimes because it's difficult at first to develop new habits. 27:00 When we stick with a new way of living, 27:02 the Lord actually changes us. 27:05 It's the way He's made us, 27:07 and so we develop these new enjoyments 27:09 and then we get the benefits from that lifestyle. 27:12 So the message I try to give my patients is 27:14 "Don't hold back from making big changes, 27:17 if that's what God is calling you to do" 27:19 He'll give you the power to make those changes... 27:21 Give you the friends. That's right! 27:22 Look for the support network. 27:24 Look for people who've done it before. 27:26 Look for people who can walk you through it. 27:28 And whether you've got to come to Oklahoma, 27:30 or to your neighborhood church, or your next door neighbor, 27:33 take advantage of those resources that are there. 27:36 Get involved! Have people help you. 27:39 This is what it's about. 27:40 We've been talking with Dr. David DeRose 27:42 It's possible you can make the choices that you need to make. 27:46 God can give you direction in that. 27:48 He can lead you to people that can help you; 27:50 maybe a place like the Lifestyle Center of America, 27:52 or your local church. 27:54 And you can be content with the choices that you've made. 27:57 We hope today's program gives you health that lasts 28:00 for a lifetime! |
Revised 2014-12-17