Participants: Don Mckintosh (Host), David DeRose
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000175
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00:49 Hello and welcome to Health for a Lifetime.
00:51 I'm your host Don Mackintosh. 00:52 Today we're going to talk about an unusual topic but something 00:56 that many people struggle with and that's fungus. 00:58 Talking with us today about fungus is Dr. David DeRose. 01:02 He's started a ministry called "CompassHealth. " 01:05 compasshealth. net 01:07 Dr. DeRose you're a specialist in internal medicine and 01:11 preventive medicine, you've got a masters in public health 01:14 this is kind of a blending of both the medical and the 01:17 ministry in CompassHealth, isn't that right? 01:20 That's exactly right. 01:21 Basically we do things for churches, community groups, 01:25 we do things for the general public as far as materials that 01:28 we write, we have some videos out, book, a number of things 01:32 that really can put more practical health information 01:34 in people's hands, as well as the media things that we do in 01:37 radio and TV. 01:38 You work together as a family and this is kind of a family 01:42 thing as well. 01:43 Well, some of it is. 01:44 Of course a lot of the technical work I'm doing. 01:46 My wife is also a physician but she's a busy 01:50 homeschooling mother as well, trying to run the house, keep 01:54 me in line as well as three children, doesn't give her 01:58 much time to do the medical end of things in CompassHealth. 02:02 She has a large corpas callosum. 02:03 She has to keep all those things together. 02:05 Ok, lets talk then about fungus today. 02:09 What is a fungus and do a lot of people struggle with a 02:13 problems with fungus? 02:14 Well, there's no question fungus or yeast is actually a form of 02:21 infectious condition. 02:23 These are potentially infectious organisms, if you will. 02:27 They're different than virus or bacteria. 02:30 They can cause human illness and disease. 02:33 The most common things that we see in most general practices 02:37 are skin fungus infections but there are a whole host of fungus 02:42 infections that can effect the lungs and other parts of the 02:44 body and can be very serious and even life threatening. 02:47 Candida is it a fungus? 02:49 Candida, sometimes called Candida other times Canada 02:53 but it's one of them histoplasmosis, coccidiomycosis, 02:58 blastomycosis, mucormycosis - people's eyes are already 03:04 glazing over. - laughter - 03:06 These are all just names for fungus. 03:07 These are different types of fungus. 03:09 Some of those are very bad fungus infections 03:12 that are systemic. 03:13 These other funguses, that we call dermatophytids, they're 03:17 funguses that reside on the skin and cause skin problems. 03:20 So the causes - what causes a fungus? 03:22 I'm sure it depends on where it is, but some general causes. 03:26 Well, the general perspective at least on these skin fungus 03:29 infections is that these fungi are ubiquitous - 03:35 they're all over. 03:36 Different host factors, whether it's genetic things, 03:40 whether it's lifestyle things predispose certain people 03:44 to get skin fungal infections. 03:46 We know certain environmental factors have a role. 03:50 For example if your skin is broken down it's more 03:54 susceptible to a fungal infection. 03:55 Fungi in general do best in warm, moist environments. 04:01 So warm, moist conditions that can cause just a 04:06 proliferation of this? 04:07 It can cause a proliferation. 04:09 It really sets the stage, if you will, for ideal environment 04:13 for these organisms. 04:14 We're seeing this more and more in our country because people 04:18 are providing... they're literally... it's like they're 04:20 building houses for fungi. 04:22 Have you ever thought about this? 04:23 No, and I don't think that's what they set out to do, but 04:25 what do you mean? 04:27 Well, as we gain weight and we get these skin folds, especially 04:31 if we gain lots of weight, what happens is those skin folds 04:35 tend to be moist, warm areas and people will often get what we 04:41 call an intertriginous - between the skin layers - dermatitis - 04:47 an infection with these fungi often times, these dramatify. 04:53 And so they get this fungal rash under their abdominal fat 04:59 or in other fatty areas of the body. 05:01 So this is something really that's becoming a big, big 05:04 problem in our country as we're gaining weight 05:07 and becoming larger. 05:08 What about having a depressed immune system? 05:12 This is important too, Don. 05:14 People that have diabetes, people that immune system 05:18 impairment they are more predisposed to these infections. 05:22 So in other words, if you're a diabetic... 05:26 how does that really work? 05:28 Well, actually blood sugar, we've known this for years, 05:32 is something that actually interferes with normal 05:35 immune system processes. 05:37 It's actually not just in diabetes. 05:39 Many of our viewers have probably heard of studies that 05:42 were done many years ago where people ate simple sugars. 05:46 The classic studies with just plain sugar but they've done 05:49 this with juice, honey, and other things. 05:52 You raise the blood sugar quickly and that actually 05:55 interferes with the ability of the white blood cells to fight 05:59 micro-organisms. 06:00 So whatever's happening with blood sugar is likely part of 06:05 the connection with diabetes and why diabetes has 06:08 immune suppressing effects. 06:10 We also know that those high blood sugars complex, they join 06:14 up with important proteins in the body, and this probably also 06:17 plays a role - especially in uncontrolled diabetes. 06:21 So depression of the immune system comes as a result of 06:23 the elevating sugars, but I've also heard that when someone is 06:26 obese or someone overweight they're in a state of infection, 06:31 is that right or wrong? 06:32 Well, it's an inflammatory condition, if you will. 06:35 What happens is, as we gain weight, especially around the 06:39 middle, this visceral fat, this fat around the organs, 06:42 it actually stimulates some inflammatory hormones in the 06:47 body that do have a number of deleterious processes. 06:52 It seems like this is some of what drives insulin 06:55 resistance some of these metabolic products that are 06:59 actually inflammatory chemicals. 07:01 So diabetes these other things if you have them, they certainly 07:05 can set you up for fungal infections as well. 07:07 What about Cushing's syndrome? 07:10 Well, Cushing's syndrome is another basically hormonal 07:14 condition. 07:15 Often times people with Cushing's will have excess 07:18 weight so they have those skin fold problems, they have 07:21 the disordered blood sugar - we could go through a whole list 07:25 of examples like this - HIV infection, we could talk about 07:29 people who have had transplants, kidney and liver transplants. 07:34 These people are taking anti-rejection drugs that are 07:37 suppressing their immune system. 07:38 So the common denominator that we have here are these 07:42 host factors - whether it's a drug you're taking or whether 07:45 it's a disease - it's increasing the risk. 07:47 So we've got the host factors that increase the risk for 07:50 fungal infections and then we've got the environmental factors. 07:54 One of the things that people don't often think about 07:56 when it comes to the environmental factors is the 07:58 clothes they wear. 07:59 Like clothes that cause moisture and all those bad stuff? 08:03 That's right! 08:04 Nylon for example holds in moisture. 08:07 Cotton is the best type of clothing to wear. 08:10 If you've got athlete's foot - wear cotton socks. 08:16 Wear more breathable shoes and if you can wear sandals 08:20 or if you don't have to wear socks in the summer time 08:24 wear the sandals and go without the socks. 08:27 What you want to do is you want to get a cool, 08:30 cooler at least, dry, and more air circulating. 08:36 These are the things that we want to keep in mind when you're 08:40 trying to suppress these fungal infections or remove 08:43 the possibility for them arising. 08:45 Are there genetic factors that drive fungal infections? 08:48 There seem to be genetic factors. 08:50 I'm going to be honest with you, I'm not an expert 08:54 in the genetics of host factors when it comes to 08:57 fungal infection but there definitely seems to be some 09:01 pre-dispositions host wise as far as the individual whether 09:06 it has to do with skin quality, whether it has to do with skin 09:10 oil production. 09:11 There's a variety of things that theoretically may be 09:14 impacting how well a person can fend off these organisms 09:20 that are all around us. 09:21 You have something written down here - atopy? 09:25 That refers to atopic conditions. 09:30 These are allergic conditions. 09:32 Skin is often affected in this, like young children many times 09:37 have an atopic problem. 09:40 And they may get facial rashes or other things. 09:42 There maybe some food relationships. 09:44 The bottom line - if you've got an allergic condition that has 09:48 skin manifestations, that is lowering resistance to the skin 09:54 to other problems and so these fungi can then get in and cause 09:58 a fungus infection. 09:59 Now if someone has a question normally they would see their 10:01 general physician and maybe a dermatologist 10:04 for some of these things? 10:05 Exactly. 10:06 If you know it's a fungus infection or it's just related 10:08 to the skin, dermatologist... I mean they're the experts 10:10 when it comes to these skin infections. 10:12 Many general practitioners, though, have a lot of experience 10:15 dealing with some of the more simple things that occur 10:18 frequently because they just see it so often. 10:20 So, we're going to look at some practical ways 10:22 to treat these things. 10:25 Are we ready to move there? 10:26 Is there anything else we need to understand? 10:27 No, I think that's where we want to go because we want 10:30 to make the program practical. 10:31 Ok, let's look at some of those practical things. 10:34 Work us through some things we can do. 10:35 Because these fungal infections can effect all different parts 10:39 of the body, one of the common ones is athlete's foot 10:42 we've mentioned it already. 10:43 Let's talk about that first of all. 10:44 Strategies again. 10:47 Remember the environment you want to keep cool and dry. 10:51 We've talked about the clothing. 10:53 We've talked about something that may have passed by people. 10:58 That is, when it comes to moisture content, they may have 11:01 read between the lines, but where is the most common 11:04 place that you're exposed to moisture when it comes 11:06 to your feet? 11:07 Probably in the shower, sometimes a collective shower 11:10 maybe where all the other athlete's have taken a shower. 11:12 Ok, you're right. 11:13 Is that where you pick it up? 11:15 Is it contagious? 11:16 Yes, there is evidence that people who are using communal 11:19 bath facilities, like athletes, are at higher risk 11:23 of these things. 11:24 My mother really wanted me to be a "sissy" when I was a boy, 11:28 you know that? 11:29 No, I didn't know that, but... 11:30 'Cause she didn't succeed, hopefully, is what you 11:31 were thinking! - laughter - 11:33 But what she wanted me to do, was when I was a high school kid 11:36 she wanted me to wear thongs, sandals, in the shower room! 11:40 Because of this athlete's foot? 11:42 Yes! 11:43 I wasn't going to do that! 11:44 And so you got athlete's foot? 11:46 Did I tell you this already? 11:47 No, but I can almost guess! 11:48 I did and then I started wearing the thongs so I wouldn't give 11:51 it to anyone else! 11:52 Whether that helped or not... but you see the point? 11:55 Mom knew best again! 11:57 I should have listened to her. 11:59 But this is an important risk factor. 12:01 But here's the other point. 12:03 We're talking about treatment now. 12:04 You got the athlete's foot already. 12:06 What do you do when you come out of the shower? 12:08 You dry your feet off, you open them up to air, you put sandals 12:12 on maybe... I don't know. 12:14 But how do you dry your feet? 12:15 This is the question. 12:16 With a towel. 12:17 Well, you know what? 12:18 Often people dry the area that's effected by the fungus 12:22 incorrectly. 12:23 If they've got it affecting their feet, under a layer of fat 12:26 in their abdomen, in their private area, and around their 12:29 bottom, these are all common places to have these 12:32 fungal infections, and people say, "I got to keep it dry. " 12:35 So they go ahead and get that terry towel and they dry between 12:38 their toes or they dry in some other areas - that's wrong. 12:42 It's wrong because the skin when it's moist is very 12:45 susceptible to physical agitation or 12:49 physical irritation. 12:50 So what you do is dab it. 12:53 You blot it dry. 12:55 To get it really, really well dry, use a blow dryer 12:59 on a low heat setting. 13:01 Spread you toes apart, use the blow dryer after you've 13:04 blotted it dry, just kind of pat on top of the feet or 13:07 under the areas that you're treating and then get it 13:11 really dry before you put the clothing on. 13:13 If you didn't listen to your mother about the thongs 13:16 it's not going to be too many people listen about the 13:18 blow dryer but - laughter - but that's still good advice. 13:20 Yes, it is good advice. 13:22 I'd say my mom's advice was good. 13:24 We've got to give all the wisdom that's out there 13:27 because you know what? 13:29 Most people don't get motivated to prevent something, 13:33 they get motivated to treat it. 13:34 That was the case for me. 13:35 Aside from drying it off and aside from doing all the things 13:37 you said that are natural things, are there any 13:39 medications that you need for athlete's foot? 13:41 There are medications many people have used, the ointments, 13:45 the lotions, the over-the-counter things. 13:47 And those things are fine. 13:48 They're often effective. 13:49 The problem is most people don't use them long enough. 13:54 Lot's of times it's the itch cycle or something like that, 13:59 that you noted on your webpage. 14:02 Talk to us about the itch cycle. 14:04 There's what we sometimes call the scratch-itch cycle. 14:08 I can tell you, Don, listen, we're on the air, maybe your 14:13 mom told you this, "Don't scratch yourself, 14:15 people are watching you!" 14:17 During the public times or during the waking hours 14:23 we can say even if no one is watching us, we're going to say, 14:26 "Look it, the Doctor told me if I scratch this area it's 14:29 just making it worse because I'm disturbing the skin integrity. " 14:33 What happens at night? 14:35 What happens when you're sleeping and you've got 14:38 an area that itches? 14:39 What do you think you do? 14:40 You scratch it. 14:41 You don't have any higher cortical control while 14:44 you're asleep. 14:45 So it is important many times if the skin is being disturbed 14:49 to break that scratch-itch cycle. 14:51 Many of these anti-fungal preparations, medications, 14:56 will have something for the itch in it as well. 15:01 A classic one will be some Hydrocortisone. 15:04 Now this is ironic because cortisone drugs actually 15:08 suppress the immune system. 15:10 So they are not good over the long haul? 15:12 They are not good over the long haul. 15:14 They also, the more potent ones, can thin the skin. 15:18 Hmmm, not good, because that makes it easier to be 15:21 introducing secondary pathogens perhaps. 15:25 That's right. 15:26 So really, although these are sometimes included and we can 15:29 get away with it sometimes, some people if they have a real 15:33 resistant fungal infection, using these common preparations 15:36 that have the steroids in them will only frustrate the problem. 15:39 We're talking with Dr. David De Rose. 15:40 We're talking about fungal infections and other things 15:44 that can afflict us in America with our skin. 15:47 Join us when we come back. 15:50 Have you found yourself wishing that you could 15:52 shed a few pounds? 15:53 Have you been on a diet for most of your life? 15:55 But not found anything that will really keep the weight off? 15:58 If you've answered yes to any of these questions, then we 16:02 have a solution for you that works. 16:04 Dr. Hans Diehl and Dr. Aileen Ludington 16:07 have written a marvelous booklet called, 16:09 Reversing Obesity Naturally, and we'd like to send it to you 16:13 free of charge. 16:14 Here's a medically sound approach successfully used 16:17 by thousands who are able to eat more 16:19 and loose weight permanently 16:21 without feeling guilty or hungry through lifestyle medicine. 16:24 Dr. Diehl and Dr. Ludington have been featured on 3ABN 16:28 and in this booklet they present a sensible approach to eating, 16:32 nutrition, and lifestyle changes that can help you prevent 16:35 heart disease, diabetes, and even cancer. 16:37 Call or write today for your free copy: 16:50 Welcome back. 16:51 We're talking with Dr. David De Rose. 16:53 We've been talking about fungal infections. 16:55 Much of the information that we cover today 16:58 is going to be covered more in depth on Dr. De Rose's webpage 17:03 compasshealth. net 17:06 Thank you for providing that expansion on what we're 17:12 talking about today. 17:13 We're talking about fungal infections and you've noticed 17:16 several basic things: avoiding moist conditions, 17:20 communal baths, immuno-suppression, and then 17:24 some more specific conditions that can lead to 17:27 Cushing's syndrome, or HIV, or these other things that can 17:30 break down the ability for the body to fight 17:34 against these things. 17:35 We've talked about atopy, genetic predispositions, and 17:39 we started to talk about treatments. 17:40 Question comes to mind though. 17:42 Are fungal infections the same as eczema? 17:44 Is there a difference? 17:45 Oh no, very different. 17:46 Eczema is not a fungal infection but eczema is related in that, 17:51 like the scenario we were talking about earlier, any type 17:54 of skin problem can lower the resistance of that skin 18:01 to fungal infection. 18:03 Eczema actually has some seasonal variations 18:07 in people when the air is colder and dryer, containing less 18:12 moisture. 18:13 People that are predisposed to eczema will often have 18:14 more problems. 18:15 Doctors and nurses we're at high risk, washing our hands 18:20 so frequently, often get a hand eczema. 18:24 So the idea is to moisturize as well as washing the skin. 18:29 Use a good moisturizer as well after you wash. 18:33 The reason it came to my mind is because one of the treatments 18:35 you were suggesting for a fungal infection is something 18:38 that sometimes they use with eczema that being a 18:41 cortisone based cream. 18:43 Exactly. 18:44 The cortisone does not actually treat the fungus. 18:46 So just using a cortisone cream on a fungal infection will 18:50 actually tend to make it worse. 18:52 What they often try to get away with doing... 18:56 I'm more of a purist. 18:59 I sensed that. - laughter- 19:01 You did? - laughter- 19:02 I like to treat the problem. 19:03 So I tend not to use the cortisone containing 19:06 preparations initially. 19:07 But many of my colleagues will say, "Look it De Rose get off 19:11 the purist kick and just be realistic, you can give a little 19:16 cortisone mixed in with these things. " 19:18 There are many commercial preparations and like I said 19:21 many people can get away with using these but others don't. 19:24 They've got to drop the cortisone out of the preparation 19:27 then use something else for the itching. 19:29 Whether it's an antihistamine orally or something topical 19:33 I'll tell you an interesting thing. 19:35 A lot of people don't know this but Calamine lotion, 19:38 you know a lot of people think of using it for poison ivy, 19:42 well it's a drying lotion. 19:44 So you could use it for a fungal problem. 19:46 You could actually use it... it's not a treatment for a 19:50 fungus but if you've been treating... if you've got like a 19:53 chronic fungal infection, chronic athlete's foot problem, 19:56 you don't want to take one of the oral anti-fungal medications 19:59 because you're afraid of the side effects. 20:01 And there are some reasons to be afraid. 20:02 Some of these are very potent drugs that cause 20:05 liver irritation and other things. 20:07 You say, "Look it, I just want to keep the area very clean, 20:10 dry, cool. " 20:12 The Calamine lotion or a Caladryl that includes Benadryl 20:16 with an anti-itching compound may actually help. 20:18 If you can break the cycle sometimes with that itching, 20:22 sometimes that in and of itself will allow it to heal and that 20:25 may be what was perpetuating it. 20:27 So, just like in athlete's foot you said to dry it by blotting 20:32 or dabbing rather than irritating it because that's 20:35 almost like a itch cycle. 20:37 Exactly. 20:38 So, if you have things in other places, your private areas, 20:39 you'd do the same kind of thing - keep it dry. 20:42 Well, the private areas are really difficult areas to 20:49 handle sometimes. 20:50 There are several reasons for that. 20:52 One of them is there is the micro biologic environment 20:58 there is different. 20:59 Especially if you think of where the colon empties out. 21:02 We're continually exposing that area to some of the 21:06 bi products of our digestive system. 21:09 Some of the strategies that seem to make a difference 21:13 in people that have problems in those areas is actually 21:17 looking very closely at their diet, avoiding lots of 21:19 simple sugars. 21:21 The theory behind that is we're going to provide less food for 21:24 the yeast that thrive on those simple sugars 21:28 in that environment. 21:29 Another strategy that is sometimes used is probiotics, 21:32 these so-called "good bacteria" like lactobacillus. 21:36 These can be taken orally. 21:37 And there are some suggestions that this may help to address 21:40 some of the problems that you may have in the rectal area 21:44 or other areas. 21:45 So we're talking about two different things - things that 21:48 stop the itching cycle and all that, but then the actual 21:52 treatment of the fungus - what should people take 21:54 for that, it's not just sometimes go away on it's own? 21:57 No, actually many times you do need something. 21:59 There are some natural strategies that work. 22:02 It depends where the fungal infection is 22:04 whether or not you use these. 22:06 Garlic has anti-fungal properties for example. 22:11 Some people have had success using garlic powder. 22:15 It's not something that I've actually used but the natural 22:18 things that I tend to use first are tea tree oil. 22:23 This you have on the webpage? 22:25 That's right, it's on the webpage. 22:27 Tea tree oil has natural anti-fungal properties. 22:31 You have to be careful with it though because there's a 22:34 significant percentage of people that do get allergic to the 22:38 tea tree oil. 22:39 So you need to be mindful of that. 22:41 If that doesn't work, what is your second line? 22:42 Well, not necessarily the second line, but another one that's a 22:46 actually can be effective is vinegar. 22:49 Vinegar actually has anti-fungal properties. 22:52 Garlic powder? 22:54 Garlic powder and calendula is another herb. 22:57 Calendula, what's that? 22:58 Calendula is an herb that has some anti-fungal properties. 23:01 There's a number of these herbs and natural products 23:04 that can be used for people that gravitate in that direction. 23:08 And then there are some of the over-the-counter, you don't need 23:11 a prescription, anti-fungals: Lotrimines, Monistat, 23:15 Mycostatin, things like this that can be used on 23:19 fungal areas. 23:20 Usually they work quite good - Tinactin powders 23:22 and things like this. 23:24 Many times they do work well. 23:26 And then there's probably a whole class of drugs or 23:29 regiments that you can only get from your 23:31 doctor, dermatologist or your general practice person? 23:34 Yes, especially if you've got a resistant fungal infection 23:37 and it's going to require something oral. 23:39 Some of these prescription drugs can be very expensive, they need 23:44 to be monitored, and some of them do have 23:46 significant toxicity. 23:48 Do you make a difference on the webpage between topical 23:51 anti-fungal preparations and systemic drugs? 23:54 I appreciate you highlighting that because sometimes 23:58 the terminology we use in professional circles is not 24:02 familiar to lay people. 24:03 Topical is what you put on the skin. 24:06 Generally these topical things are readily available, 24:10 many options at least, over the counter. 24:12 The thing is, Don, while we're talking about the topical, 24:14 I'll mention the systemic again. 24:16 That's the oral things you take that go through out the body. 24:19 People need to make sure that they treat these things. 24:23 Usually what we'll say is a minimum sometimes of two weeks. 24:27 And make sure you continue the treatment for a week after 24:31 the infection is cleared. 24:32 That's one rule of thumb for going about this. 24:34 So it's like an antibiotic? 24:35 Yes, a lot of people will treat it, they'll knock it out, and 24:39 what they've really done is they've allowed, at least 24:42 theoretically, that fungus or yeast to become resistant 24:48 to whatever because they've knocked it down enough 24:50 but they didn't wipe it out. 24:51 So make sure you use it for a week after you've eradicated 24:56 it - at least visibly eradicated. 24:58 You have some specifics here in applying vinegar - kind of a 25:03 formula: 1/2 calendula, 1/2 oz. myrrh, 1/2 qt. vinegar 25:10 you have these on your webpage for actual treatments if you're 25:15 going that natural way. 25:16 That's right. 25:17 Myrrh is another agent that's been used in these preparations 25:20 like you point out. 25:21 So there are recipes that have been used in more 25:24 natural combinations and that's one of them. 25:26 Fungus under the nails? 25:27 Fungus under the nails or nail fungus it's really a fungus 25:31 that actually infects the nail itself. 25:33 Those can be very resistant especially the toe nail. 25:36 There is research data done in the medical research literature 25:41 showing that tea tree oil in a percentage of people is 25:45 an effective treatment. 25:46 Now when I say "effective treatment" we're not talking 25:49 50, 60, 70 percent. 25:51 It's a minority of people but if someone wants to go with a 25:55 natural treatment, you're talking a 3- 6 months 25:57 whatever you do. 25:58 If you're doing something topical on the toenails 26:00 they're slow to grow and you need to be committed to the 26:04 long haul for applying this treatment topically. 26:08 Garlic? 26:09 Garlic like I say does have these anti-fungal properties. 26:12 The problem with garlic is it is an irritant as well. 26:15 So is the vinegar. 26:16 You've got to be careful if the skin is very raw you're not 26:19 going to want to put vinegar on it. 26:21 It's not going to necessarily win you any popularity contest 26:26 at least me, because I'm the one talking about 26:30 it here on the air. - laughter - 26:31 As always these suggestions are always helpful and there's 26:36 a lot more that could be talked about. 26:38 There's some of this on the webpage compasshealth. net 26:42 You're a Christian clinician and I want to hear a spiritual, 26:46 hopeful thought perhaps that we could share as we're closing 26:50 out this segment. 26:51 You know we've been talking today about two strategies 26:56 treating a problem once you have it and then preventing it 27:01 from ever occurring. 27:03 I find that the Lord is so wonderful doing that 27:06 in scriptures. 27:07 He both provides treatments for our point of need. 27:11 He offers us the help that we need. 27:14 We can come to Him with our health problems, 27:16 spiritual problems, but He also has a preventive program. 27:20 I really see as a physician His Word often is a textbook 27:23 on public health preventive medicine. 27:26 Well, thank you so much, Dr. De Rose, for joining us. 27:29 And thank you also for putting the material together on the 27:33 website compasshealth. net and for the ministry of actually 27:38 service, I mean seminars, and working with people, making this 27:42 material accessible to the public. 27:44 We're just glad we can do it. 27:45 Thank you for joining us on Health for a Lifetime. 27:47 Today's program has been very practical and I hope that it has 27:51 immediate use for you. 27:52 If you need more information visit those resources. 27:55 Thanks for joining us. |
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