Participants: Don Mckintosh (Host), David DeRose
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000176
00:49 Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime"
00:51 I'm your host Don Mackintosh 00:53 and we're glad that you've joined us today for the program. 00:56 We're going to be talking about HIVES, 00:58 and things that mimic hives today. 01:01 And talking with us about this very practical subject 01:04 is Dr. David DeRose. 01:06 He's a physician from Southern Oklahoma, 01:08 and Dr. DeRose has a ministry that is web-based. 01:13 It's called compasshealth. net 01:16 and many of the things that we talk about today 01:18 will be able to be referenced there on that web site. 01:20 That's exactly right, Don 01:21 How did you get into the ministry 01:24 that you're involved in now? 01:25 Well Don, I had been a physician for probably 15, 18, 20 years... 01:30 You know, I hadn't really thought about how long 01:32 it had been when I started "Compass Health" 01:34 But the ministry has been going on for about 3 years, 01:36 but before that, I had been doing a variety of things, 01:40 especially emphasizing more 01:42 natural strategies for disease treatment. 01:44 My board certifications are in both internal medicine, 01:48 and preventive medicine and I've worked in a 01:51 variety of settings using those skills, 01:52 but the real vision I had seeing how many people could be helped 01:56 by these more natural therapies, 01:59 and then really trying to translate in there 02:01 something where it was just more than what I was doing 02:03 individually, getting more things out through 02:06 media resources, seminars, things of this nature, 02:09 and Compass Health was really set up to accomplish that. 02:11 Great, and it's a great resource. 02:13 I've visited the web site a number of times, 02:15 and it's been very useful to me. 02:17 Let's talk today about HIVES! 02:20 Hives and conditions that mimic hives. 02:23 What are hives? 02:24 Do a lot of people have this problem? 02:26 Well, hives... typically people think of them 02:30 as being associated with some type of allergic response. 02:33 It's actually much more common than many people realize. 02:37 A lot of individuals say, "What is a hive anyway?" 02:40 These are reddened, raised areas that typically 02:45 are triggered by anything from foods to other 02:49 allergic exposures, medications, other common triggers... 02:52 And they tend to be itching, they tend to move, 02:56 they don't stay in one spot for days. 02:58 They tend to move around on the body once they've 03:03 kind of raised their ugly head. 03:06 So hives or "urticaria" is the technical medical term 03:10 that we use. Urticaria 03:12 It's something that is quite prevalent. 03:15 So a lot of people have it? 03:17 So they're the type that move around; 03:20 they're not like shingles. 03:21 Shingles stay in one place Exactly 03:23 This is one of the things that we use to differentiate it 03:25 because, yes, whether it's shingles, 03:27 whether it's a typical eczema... 03:32 if you circle the lesion, you circle the spot, 03:35 one of the abnormal spots, 03:37 yes with shingles, with a patch of eczema, 03:40 that's going to stay in that same spot 03:43 as long as you have the problem. 03:45 Whereas with the hives, especially if you've been 03:48 exposed to a medication or you 03:49 are continuing to take the medication 03:51 not aware that it's triggering the problem, 03:53 you'll find that patch that you circled had become normal, 03:59 and now some other area is raised, red and itchy. 04:03 So if you look across the board, 04:05 probably about 20% 1 in 5 Americans will have 04:10 a bout of hives at some point in their life, 04:12 so it's definitely something worth spending some time 04:15 talking about and it also 04:17 it opens up, Don, this whole dialog that is so needed 04:21 with autoimmune diseases because some people have 04:24 chronic hives - it's actually an autoimmune process. 04:27 So what causes it? Food allergies? 04:30 Well, the acute urticaria, the acute hives; 04:34 food allergies is a BIG contributor, 04:37 and, of course, hives is on one end of this allergic spectrum. 04:42 I mean, no one dies from hives, per se. 04:45 But more severe allergic responses, 04:48 for example - to a food can cause what we call angioedema. 04:52 This can involve swelling of the face, the lips, the oral tissue, 04:58 the tissues in the throat, the oropharynx, nasopharynx, 05:00 and if those swell, especially in the laryngeal area 05:04 where your breathing is being negotiated... 05:07 Cut off breath - That's right! 05:10 People can DIE, anaphylactic shock is another 05:14 extreme example of just this continuum of more severe 05:18 allergic reactions that can occur with anything 05:21 from contact exposure to something chemical 05:24 that you're exposed to, 05:25 to medications, to foods. 05:29 Medications - what about? Definitely 05:31 They trigger it as well. 05:34 One of the most common causes of urticaria that we 05:38 often hear about are antibiotics. 05:40 And, whether it's the penicillins 05:42 or the cephalosporins, many, many people 05:45 are allergic to antibiotics. 05:47 It's typically NOT the first time they take that antibiotic, 05:51 but it's after they've had some exposure, 05:53 then their body has become more sensitive to it 05:56 and mounts once of these overwhelming kind of, 05:58 or you might say, OVERKILL responses 06:01 involving some immune cells that normally 06:04 don't need to be activated. 06:05 So now we need to know how to figure out 06:08 maybe what's causing hives, 06:10 and you've talked about the fact that the things 06:12 you're sharing now ONLY should be done under the 06:15 direction of someone who is a physician 06:17 or someone that is a healthcare provider 06:19 because you don't want to be stopping or starting 06:21 medications on your own, willy-nilly 06:23 Well, I mean, if you have hives, 06:25 and you're on medication, this is an emergent situation 06:29 you want to call your doctor right away 06:31 You're exactly right - 06:33 you do NOT want to stop the medication, 06:35 but by the same token, 06:36 you don't want to keep taking any of those drugs that 06:39 may be contributing to the problem. 06:40 So this involves some real clinical judgments 06:42 and expertise from the physician to say, 06:44 ...Look-it, what have we just added? 06:46 That's often the first thing to look at. 06:48 But if you are on a number of chronic medications, 06:50 they may look at rearranging those, 06:52 as well as looking at diet and other factors. 06:53 So you want to look at 2 things here, 06:56 food items and non-food items in terms of 07:00 dealing with this issue. 07:02 Exactly, it might be even more 07:04 useful to categorize it in 3 ways. 07:05 You've got the food items, 07:07 and then among the non-food, you look at medication 07:10 as a separate category. 07:11 And then maybe specifically looking at things that 07:14 you're in contact with that you may not think of. 07:17 You may not be INGESTING them, 07:19 it may be the laundry detergent that you're using. 07:22 It may be some jewelry that's containing nickel 07:24 which is a common allergen sensitizer. 07:27 So some things like this that you may not think of as 07:30 being medication-related. 07:31 So the non-food items would be, like you said, 07:34 fabric softeners, cosmetics, makeup? 07:37 Those things would all be on the list, 07:39 and the special concern should be for anything new 07:44 REALIZING though that something you've been using 07:47 habitually for a period of time, 07:48 you could have developed a sensitivity. 07:50 So that makeup that they put on me before we start the show 07:54 my good friend who put that on me, 07:56 could be leading me to hives. It's possible, it's possible! 08:01 They seem so nice in that room when they were putting it on. 08:03 They were very nice to me as well. 08:05 But, Don, let me tell you that this whole dialogue 08:09 about sensitivity is just the urticaria, the hives issue, 08:13 is just a small piece in a much broader dialog 08:16 because what a lot of physicians are believing right now 08:19 is we are seeing a lot of food sensitivities, 08:23 food intolerances and other things that we may 08:26 not have typically put in the box, if you will, 08:29 of allergy. 08:31 An allergy typically relates to an immune compound called 08:37 IgE - immunoglobulin E 08:40 That's what we usually think of being activated 08:42 in these kind of flagrant allergic things 08:45 like hives and angioedema. 08:47 But there are probably many other food intolerances 08:50 that people are dealing with. 08:51 So, I mean, fabric softener is not a food - at least I hope not 08:55 Cosmetics is not a food. Jewelry is not a food. 08:58 You put down here, also rubber or latex gloves 09:01 and stuff... That's not a food. 09:03 These are the non-food things you have listed here 09:05 in part of the web page, 09:06 but anything else in terms of non-food items 09:11 to just completely avoid? 09:12 Well, I'll mention one thing. 09:14 There are some things that are common sensitizers. 09:16 You know, we talked about nickel just briefly. 09:18 But another one is the drug - "neomycin" 09:21 Now, this is not an oral medication. 09:23 Neomycin is commonly put in these broad spectrum 09:29 antibiotic creams. That you rub on 09:33 Yes, you can buy them over-the-counter. 09:35 Many people will develop a sensitivity to this. 09:38 So I recommend that people stick with more simple 09:42 prescriptions. 09:43 Don't use the triple antibiotic, 09:45 when you can just use soap and water. 09:47 And don't use a triple antibiotic when you 09:50 can use a single antibiotic. 09:52 So, just some rules of thumb. 09:54 You know, we get in this mindset of overkill. 09:57 If a little is good, much more is better, 09:59 and that's where we get into problems. 10:01 The more - is not necessarily the merrier. 10:02 It might be the scarier! That's exactly right. 10:04 So antifungal agents, those sometimes are very 10:07 related to hives. 10:10 I mean, definitely! Anything especially... 10:12 Think about it this way... 10:13 You put on the broken skin, 10:15 you're going to increase your risk of problems. 10:16 The other thing that a lot of people don't realize 10:19 is if they've just taken a shower or bath, 10:21 the pores are open... 10:23 They're actually much more likely to have problems 10:27 with something that they put on their skin at that time. 10:30 Any plants that we should avoid? 10:32 I mean - pretty obvious, poison ivy, poison oak... 10:35 Yeah, I mean, this is an interesting topic you bring up, 10:38 because a lot of people have these contact allergens 10:42 and, you know, the poison ivy and poison oak, Don, 10:44 sure, we say - Okay, I'm allergic to poison ivy, 10:47 stay away from the poison ivy. 10:49 But you know how many people get poison ivy rashes 10:52 who never touch poison ivy? 10:55 How do they do that? 10:56 Several ways. Let's hear about them. 10:58 One of them is through pets! PETS - a pesky pet. 11:04 Well I wouldn't call it a pesky pet necessarily, 11:06 but you're beloved cat... The beloved cat! 11:10 Is out there hunting MICE or whatever it's hunting, 11:13 and has a great time hiding in the poison ivy. 11:16 Well what do you think happens when you are then 11:20 sitting with Fluffy, petting Fluffy on your lap... 11:21 And you start to get puffy! 11:24 That's right - that's exactly what happens. 11:26 Another setting... 11:29 where you get exposed to these things is the bonfire 11:33 or the fireplace fire. 11:35 Ooo - and it goes in the smoke and it wafts into your nose 11:38 and causes HIVES or... 11:41 It COULD cause hives; 11:42 it could cause other contact dermatitis 11:44 just depending on how your body responds to that 11:46 poison ivy or poison oak or poison sumac. 11:48 Never thought about that. 11:50 What about mowing the lawn? 11:51 Okay, now mowing the lawn is usually not a problem with 11:54 poison ivy unless you're mowing over the poison ivy, of course, 11:57 then that can be a problem. 11:59 But also the grass and the grass seeds, pollens 12:05 whatever, can be aerosolized when you're doing that. 12:08 Aerosolized means what? Put into the air. Oh 12:11 Okay, then you can breathe them in, 12:13 it can get on your skin and whatever. 12:15 Self-medicate. Well, or self-allergize, 12:18 whatever the terminology might be. 12:20 So wow, we have to be careful if you're out there 12:24 burning the fire and doing those different things 12:26 that could be the real reason that you're having these hives. 12:29 I mean, there are LOTS of ways - lots of ways that 12:31 we're exposed to irritant compounds 12:34 that can trigger allergic reactions. 12:36 Well you know, what about a lady that has all the 12:40 different kinds of soaps and jellies, 12:42 and all the different things in her cosmetic cupboard, 12:44 can those be causing hives? 12:46 Well they can be. 12:48 The challenge is... many of us we were exposed to 12:52 all kinds of chemicals every day and let's face it, 12:56 even though the statistics are high, 12:57 1 in 5 Americans developing 12:59 hives at some point in their life, 13:01 it's not like all of us are walking around with 13:03 red, itchy bumps all over, right? Right! 13:06 And they didn't have to do THAT much work on our 13:07 makeup jobs today, did they? 13:10 Well, not as much as we would 13:12 have originally thought, but yeah, right. 13:16 So what the point is though 13:18 is yes, these are common but we're exposing ourselves 13:20 to these laundry detergents, these fabric softeners, 13:24 all kinds of foods that we're eating from all over the world 13:27 and it's not like... you know it's 13:30 how are the hives today, friend... you greet somebody. 13:34 So we just have to keep that in perspective. 13:36 It's not to scare people away from all these things, 13:38 but to say, "Look it, if you ARE having a problem, 13:40 look at all these things. " Yeah, the list is actually 13:42 a broad list that you have to look at. 13:44 Now you've even put down here hot baths or showers! 13:47 Yes and that's because there's something called... 13:49 "cholinergic urticaria" 13:51 Cholinergic.. which is like a reaction of the body. 13:54 The cholinergic system. Yes, the body - actually 13:57 heat, can actually trigger hives in some people. 14:00 Other people get hives when they get cold. 14:03 So there are a number of PHYSICAL things 14:06 that can trigger hives. 14:07 So when we are speaking about hives, this isn't always 14:09 conventional allergy and so I'm glad you bring that up 14:12 because this is important to realize that you could 14:15 ...just getting into that hot shower - could trigger 14:18 a very serious reaction. 14:21 We've been talking with Dr. David DeRose 14:24 covering information on HIVES... 14:26 What causes them, what to do, 14:28 what things specifically to AVOID or to go down. 14:32 Again, the list that we're sharing here is available on 14:35 compasshealth. net 14:37 And there also should be a list you don't really go through 14:41 without having some assistance from a healthcare professional. 14:45 When we come back, we're going to look at 14:46 some other things we can do to avoid hives. 14:48 Hope you join us when we come back. 14:51 Have you found yourself wishing 14:53 that you could shed a few pounds? 14:54 Have you been on a diet for most of your life but not found 14:57 anything that will really keep the weight off? 15:00 If you've answered "yes" to any of these questions, 15:03 then we have a solution for you that works! 15:05 Dr. Hans Diehl and Dr. Aileen Ludington 15:08 have written a marvelous booklet called... 15:10 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 15:12 and we'd like to send it to you FREE of charge. 15:15 Here's a medically sound approach successfully used 15:18 by thousands who were able to eat more, 15:20 and lose weight permanently without feeling guilty or hungry 15:24 through lifestyle medicine. 15:26 Dr. Diehl and Dr. Ludington have been featured on 3ABN, 15:29 and in this booklet, they present a sensible 15:32 approach to eating, nutrition and lifestyle changes 15:35 that can help you prevent heart disease, diabetes, 15:37 and EVEN cancer. 15:39 Call or write today for your free copy of... 15:41 "Reversing Obesity Naturally" 15:43 and you could be on your way to a healthier, happier YOU! 15:46 It's ABSOLUTELY free of charge, so call or write today. 15:51 Welcome back, we're talking with Dr. David DeRose 15:54 We're talking about HIVES, a very practical subject. 15:56 Hives are differentiated from other types of skin problems 16:00 by the fact that they move all over the place. 16:02 Isn't that right, doctor? 16:04 Yes, basically a lesion that doesn't stay in the same place. 16:07 We have this outbreak, if you will, 16:10 that's related to the immune system, 16:12 and NOT to something specific with one point on the skin. 16:14 So the old saying... Does it hurt all over, or just in spots? 16:18 I mean, if it's all over, it's probably hives 16:21 because it moves all over. 16:22 Just in spots.. something else. 16:24 Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it probably. 16:28 Maybe not, but at least it gets us started. 16:29 You said there's also occupational hazards 16:33 or exposures that we need to be aware of 16:35 if we're trying to figure out why we have hives. 16:37 Yes, if we think about it, if we're talking about 16:40 an immune-related phenomenon 16:42 and that's what this is... anything can trigger that. 16:45 So we've been speaking about this broad list that includes 16:48 everything from foods to medications, 16:51 to things in the environment, 16:55 hot water with cholinergic urticaria. 16:58 Occupationally, whenever we talk about allergic responses, 17:02 we always have to consider the work environment. 17:05 And one of the BEST tests you can do is take a vacation! 17:09 Yeah, don't go to work. 17:10 That's exactly right... You heard it here on 3ABN! 17:12 If you're gone for several days, a week, over the weekend, 17:17 the symptoms go away; they return when you go 17:21 back to the workplace. 17:22 I mean, that's the classic scenario... 17:24 And this is not just true for hives... 17:26 People with cough, chronic cough can be an 17:29 asthma variant... another immunity problem. 17:31 And this is why you do it under a doctor's direction 17:33 because you don't want to lose your job. 17:35 Doctor, says I'm going to take off a few days 17:37 to see if this is causing my hives. 17:39 But often what we'll do is just simply ask... 17:41 What happens on the weekend? Oh 17:45 I mean, presumably you're getting a weekend off, 17:47 you're getting a week vacation. 17:49 What happened then? 17:51 And it's the same in the home. 17:53 If we're concerned that there is something 17:54 in the home, Don, that's triggering an allergic process, 17:57 whatever that allergic process may be; 17:59 whether it's hives or something else. 18:00 So what do we do for hives then? 18:02 Well basically, first you try to get a diagnosis. 18:06 What is causing the hives? 18:07 By working through all those things you've talked about. 18:10 Yes, and actually a dermatologist, an allergist 18:13 can actually do some very specific testing. 18:16 With all those little pricking you with all... 18:18 There is a variety of different ways of testing for allergens. 18:21 It's really one of the tried and true mechanisms 18:23 is the one that you're not all enamored with 18:25 which is the skin testing mechanism. 18:27 Does that really hurt? It sounds like it hurts. 18:29 Well I mean, I've had allergy testing done, 18:32 and I don't recall it being a bad experience. 18:35 It was a while ago. 18:36 I didn't try to have it done the next day. 18:38 But especially if you're having a problem! 18:41 Exactly! I mean, because here's the point... 18:43 Sure, someone says - I don't want to be pricked 18:45 In a bunch of places or I don't want to have a bunch of 18:47 blood work done or I don't want to spend the money 18:49 to see an allergist or dermatologist, 18:51 but maybe I should stop and say something here 18:54 because allergist and dermatologist are 18:57 two excellent groups of specialists who deal with 19:00 these diseases and although an internal medicine specialist 19:04 like myself or a family practitioner or a GP... 19:09 they may be able to pin down the cause pretty obviously. 19:12 Maybe it's very straight forward, 19:13 they just started you on penicillin, 19:14 and you broke out in a rash. 19:16 You don't necessarily need to see an allergist for that. 19:19 But by the same token, those 2 specialties 19:22 come at the problem often from 19:23 a little bit different perspectives. 19:25 So if you've seen an allergist who hasn't nailed down 19:28 the problem, see a dermatologist or vice versa 19:31 The key is to try to find an answer to what is 19:33 causing the hives. 19:35 So once you diagnose it... is there another way, 19:36 I mean do you ever just take peoples food away 19:39 one at a time or something like that? 19:40 Well actually many times they will not be able 19:43 to diagnose the cause. 19:44 I'm not saying 99% of the time or 90% of the time, 19:48 many times they WILL diagnose it... 19:49 But oftentimes the cause of hives, especially chronic hives, 19:53 can be somewhat elusive... 19:55 And so THEN, we've got to say, 19:57 well what kind of strategies are we going to use 20:00 to try to see if we can find out what's causing this... 20:02 Because really, this can be a very miserable existence 20:05 for somebody to have chronic hives. 20:06 It can actually be caused from an autoimmune disease. 20:09 The body can be attacking this IgE receptor 20:14 triggering these immune responses, 20:18 so that actually can happen. 20:20 So, what do you do then? 20:22 I see here you have listed on the web site here 20:26 elimination diet. 20:29 Now elimination diet is on the web site not just for hives. 20:33 But it's on the web site because ... all kinds of things. 20:36 We use elimination diets when we're dealing with 20:40 difficult problems to diagnose what's triggering them 20:43 OR problems... usually they have some kind of 20:46 inflammatory or autoimmune component, 20:49 and we're trying to say... 20:51 "Look it, there's some evidence in the scientific literature 20:54 that foods may be common triggers of this condition. " 20:58 Maybe we're talking about rheumatoid arthritis. 21:00 Maybe it's asthma and maybe it's chronic hives, 21:05 and we're going to try an elimination diet to see if this 21:10 can cause an improvement in the symptoms. 21:11 If it DOES, then it's pointing us down the direction 21:14 to the foods that we've eliminated. 21:16 One of those foods or a number 21:17 of the foods being the triggering cause. 21:19 Okay so, do you have a way to through different foods 21:24 on this thing - do you start with your corn chips, 21:26 then go to your potato chips, then go to your whatever? 21:29 Well, if you did it that way, think about it... 21:32 If you went down one food at a time, 21:35 if you have a triggering response to more than one... 21:38 We're talking about a chronic problem. 21:40 We're not speaking about you get hives once a month. 21:43 That's different... We're talking about something 21:45 that's either autoimmune, something that's chronic, 21:47 something that you can't pin down. 21:49 Then we do one of these elimination diets, 21:51 and again, it is, as you've been pointing out, 21:53 it's something that I recommend people do 21:55 under the guidance of a physician because, 21:57 let me just tell you, some of these problems 22:00 that we're talking about, if you're not being monitored 22:03 by a physician, you'll get into 22:04 big trouble if you're not moving in the right direction. 22:07 So let's go through some of them... 22:08 You have categories here... 22:10 You have level 1, level 2; items always permissible 22:14 What are the items always permissible? 22:17 Well basically, when we talk about items that are 22:19 always permissible, the elimination diet regimen 22:23 that I have on the Compass Health web site 22:26 is something that has worked for me in my work with patients. 22:29 There is evidence that supports it, 22:31 but it's also based on your clinical judgment. 22:35 So, what's on my diet here for always permissible, 22:38 for example - under grains, is simply millet. 22:41 Millet - no one is allergic to that. 22:42 Well, I wouldn't say that no one is allergic to it, 22:45 but it's a very infrequently used grain 22:49 in the human population. 22:50 Most people that I deal with have never heard of millet 22:53 as a food... they've seen it in the bird food maybe 22:56 after I point out to them what it is. 22:58 But millet is actually a very palatable grain. 23:01 It can be cooked like a hot cereal. 23:03 And one of the theories of allergy and intolerance, Don, 23:07 is if someone is predisposed to one of these conditions, 23:11 the things that they are repetitively exposed to 23:14 are things that they are more prone to develop an 23:16 allergic response to. 23:18 Okay, so you cut out the things they normally eat 23:20 in terms of grains like wheat. 23:22 Yeah, high on the list, the things that we always exclude 23:25 are the gluten-containing grains... 23:27 So that would be barley, rye, oat and wheat. 23:33 So those we exclude... it doesn't mean people 23:34 can never eat those again but during the elimination phase 23:37 we're trying to get them off multiple foods; 23:40 see if their symptoms improve. 23:42 If they DO improve, then we gradually start 23:44 adding foods back. 23:45 If one of those foods triggers the problem, 23:48 whether it's the hives - You know what it is then. Yes 23:50 So then on level 2 you have down here 23:51 would be corn and rice. 23:53 Yes, level 2 are things that we'll add back sooner. 23:58 So in other words, rice in particular tends to be 24:02 a less allergenic grain in our culture in the Western culture. 24:07 It may not be true in Asia. 24:09 I haven't worked there so I can't tell you that. 24:12 Then the next category you have nuts and seeds and legumes. 24:15 Yeah, the nuts and seeds... 24:17 Nut, in general, are fairly allergenic, 24:20 and so you'll notice here, 24:21 ALL nuts are excluded; you don't add those back. 24:25 We're including peanuts in that as well, 24:27 although it's a legume. 24:29 You'll also notice that with the other legumes besides soy, 24:32 soy we exclude completely in all these regimens. 24:36 If we're not doing a strict as an elimination diet, 24:39 we may allow other legumes. 24:40 So it's garbanzo beans or lima beans, lentils, 24:44 we may allow those in a less strict elimination diet program. 24:48 And some of these, it can really cause problems. 24:50 I heard about a young girl who just was exposed to a little bit 24:53 of peanuts and with a more severe problem than hives 24:58 I think she actually died from this. 25:00 Yeah, she had an anaphylactic reaction. 25:01 It got a lot of media press some time ago. 25:04 But it's exactly true, that's how serious these things are. 25:08 So we're not recommending that you challenge yourself 25:12 with foods that you've been avoiding, 25:13 especially if you have a serious 25:15 or life-threatening allergic problem. 25:17 So you have other things listed, we can't go through them all; 25:19 other animal products, dairy and eggs, fruits, vegetables, 25:23 and you have them in different columns. 25:24 A category... level 1, level 2. 25:26 I guess level 1 were things that you always should avoid. 25:29 Well at least if you're doing a kind of elimination diet 25:33 strategy that I'm recommending. 25:35 And then water and then OTHER THINGS! 25:37 On that level 1, other, you have chocolate, yeast, 25:40 alcohol, all kinds of different things. 25:41 Well since you mentioned water, 25:43 you know, we need to let everyone know that 25:44 we're actually not telling you you can't drink water, 25:47 but it's toxins that can be in water. 25:51 Other poisons and I use that term somewhat broadly, 25:55 but it's true, there are many compounds that get into 25:58 our water, whether it's the products of chlorination 26:02 combining with other compounds in the water 26:04 or traces of pesticides and things. 26:06 So the message, distilled water with charcoal filtration 26:10 is probably the single best option if we're dealing 26:13 with these regimens. 26:14 And then you have other tests there on the site 26:17 that you can go to that are like an ANA blood test, 26:20 and different types of blood tests that if all that 26:24 elimination doesn't work, you can look at some other things. 26:26 That's right, sometimes the reason why we're speaking 26:29 especially in this show about hives, 26:32 sometimes people have hives; 26:33 they have autoimmune diseases or autoimmune conditions 26:36 ANA is a test that most people think of in association 26:39 with lupus but it is something that can give us 26:42 insight into autoimmune process. 26:44 Can stress cause hives? 26:46 You know, I think a lot of people would say "yes" 26:49 You know, we've spoken about cholinergic urticaria, 26:52 I mean the name would even suggest that it does that, 26:56 but I have to be honest with you, 26:57 I have never seen a person, in my experience, 27:00 who had hives caused by stress. 27:04 All these different things, we discover what it is, 27:06 we take it away. 27:07 Any spiritual insights into hives? 27:09 I know you're a Christian clinician. 27:11 Well you know, I think it's interesting that you mention 27:13 taking things away sometimes would be a blessing. 27:15 You know, many times we think, in Christ we're free, 27:19 we're in liberty... Paul speaks about that experience. 27:22 But at the same time, God sometimes asks us to 27:24 give up things that are only hurting us. 27:26 I think it's a good principle to keep in mind. 27:29 Thank you, Dr. DeRose, for dedicating your life to... 27:32 You know many physicians are just day-in-day-out seeing 27:35 patients and the word doctor means teacher 27:38 and you're taking that seriously too. 27:39 You are teaching lots of different 27:41 groups - we appreciate that. 27:42 We appreciate the web site compasshealth. net 27:44 and what you're doing in your ministry. Thanks so much. 27:47 Thank you for joining us on "Health for a Lifetime" 27:49 Go to the web site compasshealth. net 27:51 You can look more closely. 27:53 We hope, as a result, you have Health that lasts for a Lifetime |
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