Health for a Lifetime

Hives

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Participants: Don Mckintosh (Host), David DeRose

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00:49 Hello and welcome to "Health for a Lifetime"
00:51 I'm your host Don Mackintosh
00:53 and we're glad that you've joined us today for the program.
00:56 We're going to be talking about HIVES,
00:58 and things that mimic hives today.
01:01 And talking with us about this very practical subject
01:04 is Dr. David DeRose.
01:06 He's a physician from Southern Oklahoma,
01:08 and Dr. DeRose has a ministry that is web-based.
01:13 It's called compasshealth. net
01:16 and many of the things that we talk about today
01:18 will be able to be referenced there on that web site.
01:20 That's exactly right, Don
01:21 How did you get into the ministry
01:24 that you're involved in now?
01:25 Well Don, I had been a physician for probably 15, 18, 20 years...
01:30 You know, I hadn't really thought about how long
01:32 it had been when I started "Compass Health"
01:34 But the ministry has been going on for about 3 years,
01:36 but before that, I had been doing a variety of things,
01:40 especially emphasizing more
01:42 natural strategies for disease treatment.
01:44 My board certifications are in both internal medicine,
01:48 and preventive medicine and I've worked in a
01:51 variety of settings using those skills,
01:52 but the real vision I had seeing how many people could be helped
01:56 by these more natural therapies,
01:59 and then really trying to translate in there
02:01 something where it was just more than what I was doing
02:03 individually, getting more things out through
02:06 media resources, seminars, things of this nature,
02:09 and Compass Health was really set up to accomplish that.
02:11 Great, and it's a great resource.
02:13 I've visited the web site a number of times,
02:15 and it's been very useful to me.
02:17 Let's talk today about HIVES!
02:20 Hives and conditions that mimic hives.
02:23 What are hives?
02:24 Do a lot of people have this problem?
02:26 Well, hives... typically people think of them
02:30 as being associated with some type of allergic response.
02:33 It's actually much more common than many people realize.
02:37 A lot of individuals say, "What is a hive anyway?"
02:40 These are reddened, raised areas that typically
02:45 are triggered by anything from foods to other
02:49 allergic exposures, medications, other common triggers...
02:52 And they tend to be itching, they tend to move,
02:56 they don't stay in one spot for days.
02:58 They tend to move around on the body once they've
03:03 kind of raised their ugly head.
03:06 So hives or "urticaria" is the technical medical term
03:10 that we use. Urticaria
03:12 It's something that is quite prevalent.
03:15 So a lot of people have it?
03:17 So they're the type that move around;
03:20 they're not like shingles.
03:21 Shingles stay in one place Exactly
03:23 This is one of the things that we use to differentiate it
03:25 because, yes, whether it's shingles,
03:27 whether it's a typical eczema...
03:32 if you circle the lesion, you circle the spot,
03:35 one of the abnormal spots,
03:37 yes with shingles, with a patch of eczema,
03:40 that's going to stay in that same spot
03:43 as long as you have the problem.
03:45 Whereas with the hives, especially if you've been
03:48 exposed to a medication or you
03:49 are continuing to take the medication
03:51 not aware that it's triggering the problem,
03:53 you'll find that patch that you circled had become normal,
03:59 and now some other area is raised, red and itchy.
04:03 So if you look across the board,
04:05 probably about 20% 1 in 5 Americans will have
04:10 a bout of hives at some point in their life,
04:12 so it's definitely something worth spending some time
04:15 talking about and it also
04:17 it opens up, Don, this whole dialog that is so needed
04:21 with autoimmune diseases because some people have
04:24 chronic hives - it's actually an autoimmune process.
04:27 So what causes it? Food allergies?
04:30 Well, the acute urticaria, the acute hives;
04:34 food allergies is a BIG contributor,
04:37 and, of course, hives is on one end of this allergic spectrum.
04:42 I mean, no one dies from hives, per se.
04:45 But more severe allergic responses,
04:48 for example - to a food can cause what we call angioedema.
04:52 This can involve swelling of the face, the lips, the oral tissue,
04:58 the tissues in the throat, the oropharynx, nasopharynx,
05:00 and if those swell, especially in the laryngeal area
05:04 where your breathing is being negotiated...
05:07 Cut off breath - That's right!
05:10 People can DIE, anaphylactic shock is another
05:14 extreme example of just this continuum of more severe
05:18 allergic reactions that can occur with anything
05:21 from contact exposure to something chemical
05:24 that you're exposed to,
05:25 to medications, to foods.
05:29 Medications - what about? Definitely
05:31 They trigger it as well.
05:34 One of the most common causes of urticaria that we
05:38 often hear about are antibiotics.
05:40 And, whether it's the penicillins
05:42 or the cephalosporins, many, many people
05:45 are allergic to antibiotics.
05:47 It's typically NOT the first time they take that antibiotic,
05:51 but it's after they've had some exposure,
05:53 then their body has become more sensitive to it
05:56 and mounts once of these overwhelming kind of,
05:58 or you might say, OVERKILL responses
06:01 involving some immune cells that normally
06:04 don't need to be activated.
06:05 So now we need to know how to figure out
06:08 maybe what's causing hives,
06:10 and you've talked about the fact that the things
06:12 you're sharing now ONLY should be done under the
06:15 direction of someone who is a physician
06:17 or someone that is a healthcare provider
06:19 because you don't want to be stopping or starting
06:21 medications on your own, willy-nilly
06:23 Well, I mean, if you have hives,
06:25 and you're on medication, this is an emergent situation
06:29 you want to call your doctor right away
06:31 You're exactly right -
06:33 you do NOT want to stop the medication,
06:35 but by the same token,
06:36 you don't want to keep taking any of those drugs that
06:39 may be contributing to the problem.
06:40 So this involves some real clinical judgments
06:42 and expertise from the physician to say,
06:44 ...Look-it, what have we just added?
06:46 That's often the first thing to look at.
06:48 But if you are on a number of chronic medications,
06:50 they may look at rearranging those,
06:52 as well as looking at diet and other factors.
06:53 So you want to look at 2 things here,
06:56 food items and non-food items in terms of
07:00 dealing with this issue.
07:02 Exactly, it might be even more
07:04 useful to categorize it in 3 ways.
07:05 You've got the food items,
07:07 and then among the non-food, you look at medication
07:10 as a separate category.
07:11 And then maybe specifically looking at things that
07:14 you're in contact with that you may not think of.
07:17 You may not be INGESTING them,
07:19 it may be the laundry detergent that you're using.
07:22 It may be some jewelry that's containing nickel
07:24 which is a common allergen sensitizer.
07:27 So some things like this that you may not think of as
07:30 being medication-related.
07:31 So the non-food items would be, like you said,
07:34 fabric softeners, cosmetics, makeup?
07:37 Those things would all be on the list,
07:39 and the special concern should be for anything new
07:44 REALIZING though that something you've been using
07:47 habitually for a period of time,
07:48 you could have developed a sensitivity.
07:50 So that makeup that they put on me before we start the show
07:54 my good friend who put that on me,
07:56 could be leading me to hives. It's possible, it's possible!
08:01 They seem so nice in that room when they were putting it on.
08:03 They were very nice to me as well.
08:05 But, Don, let me tell you that this whole dialogue
08:09 about sensitivity is just the urticaria, the hives issue,
08:13 is just a small piece in a much broader dialog
08:16 because what a lot of physicians are believing right now
08:19 is we are seeing a lot of food sensitivities,
08:23 food intolerances and other things that we may
08:26 not have typically put in the box, if you will,
08:29 of allergy.
08:31 An allergy typically relates to an immune compound called
08:37 IgE - immunoglobulin E
08:40 That's what we usually think of being activated
08:42 in these kind of flagrant allergic things
08:45 like hives and angioedema.
08:47 But there are probably many other food intolerances
08:50 that people are dealing with.
08:51 So, I mean, fabric softener is not a food - at least I hope not
08:55 Cosmetics is not a food. Jewelry is not a food.
08:58 You put down here, also rubber or latex gloves
09:01 and stuff... That's not a food.
09:03 These are the non-food things you have listed here
09:05 in part of the web page,
09:06 but anything else in terms of non-food items
09:11 to just completely avoid?
09:12 Well, I'll mention one thing.
09:14 There are some things that are common sensitizers.
09:16 You know, we talked about nickel just briefly.
09:18 But another one is the drug - "neomycin"
09:21 Now, this is not an oral medication.
09:23 Neomycin is commonly put in these broad spectrum
09:29 antibiotic creams. That you rub on
09:33 Yes, you can buy them over-the-counter.
09:35 Many people will develop a sensitivity to this.
09:38 So I recommend that people stick with more simple
09:42 prescriptions.
09:43 Don't use the triple antibiotic,
09:45 when you can just use soap and water.
09:47 And don't use a triple antibiotic when you
09:50 can use a single antibiotic.
09:52 So, just some rules of thumb.
09:54 You know, we get in this mindset of overkill.
09:57 If a little is good, much more is better,
09:59 and that's where we get into problems.
10:01 The more - is not necessarily the merrier.
10:02 It might be the scarier! That's exactly right.
10:04 So antifungal agents, those sometimes are very
10:07 related to hives.
10:10 I mean, definitely! Anything especially...
10:12 Think about it this way...
10:13 You put on the broken skin,
10:15 you're going to increase your risk of problems.
10:16 The other thing that a lot of people don't realize
10:19 is if they've just taken a shower or bath,
10:21 the pores are open...
10:23 They're actually much more likely to have problems
10:27 with something that they put on their skin at that time.
10:30 Any plants that we should avoid?
10:32 I mean - pretty obvious, poison ivy, poison oak...
10:35 Yeah, I mean, this is an interesting topic you bring up,
10:38 because a lot of people have these contact allergens
10:42 and, you know, the poison ivy and poison oak, Don,
10:44 sure, we say - Okay, I'm allergic to poison ivy,
10:47 stay away from the poison ivy.
10:49 But you know how many people get poison ivy rashes
10:52 who never touch poison ivy?
10:55 How do they do that?
10:56 Several ways. Let's hear about them.
10:58 One of them is through pets! PETS - a pesky pet.
11:04 Well I wouldn't call it a pesky pet necessarily,
11:06 but you're beloved cat... The beloved cat!
11:10 Is out there hunting MICE or whatever it's hunting,
11:13 and has a great time hiding in the poison ivy.
11:16 Well what do you think happens when you are then
11:20 sitting with Fluffy, petting Fluffy on your lap...
11:21 And you start to get puffy!
11:24 That's right - that's exactly what happens.
11:26 Another setting...
11:29 where you get exposed to these things is the bonfire
11:33 or the fireplace fire.
11:35 Ooo - and it goes in the smoke and it wafts into your nose
11:38 and causes HIVES or...
11:41 It COULD cause hives;
11:42 it could cause other contact dermatitis
11:44 just depending on how your body responds to that
11:46 poison ivy or poison oak or poison sumac.
11:48 Never thought about that.
11:50 What about mowing the lawn?
11:51 Okay, now mowing the lawn is usually not a problem with
11:54 poison ivy unless you're mowing over the poison ivy, of course,
11:57 then that can be a problem.
11:59 But also the grass and the grass seeds, pollens
12:05 whatever, can be aerosolized when you're doing that.
12:08 Aerosolized means what? Put into the air. Oh
12:11 Okay, then you can breathe them in,
12:13 it can get on your skin and whatever.
12:15 Self-medicate. Well, or self-allergize,
12:18 whatever the terminology might be.
12:20 So wow, we have to be careful if you're out there
12:24 burning the fire and doing those different things
12:26 that could be the real reason that you're having these hives.
12:29 I mean, there are LOTS of ways - lots of ways that
12:31 we're exposed to irritant compounds
12:34 that can trigger allergic reactions.
12:36 Well you know, what about a lady that has all the
12:40 different kinds of soaps and jellies,
12:42 and all the different things in her cosmetic cupboard,
12:44 can those be causing hives?
12:46 Well they can be.
12:48 The challenge is... many of us we were exposed to
12:52 all kinds of chemicals every day and let's face it,
12:56 even though the statistics are high,
12:57 1 in 5 Americans developing
12:59 hives at some point in their life,
13:01 it's not like all of us are walking around with
13:03 red, itchy bumps all over, right? Right!
13:06 And they didn't have to do THAT much work on our
13:07 makeup jobs today, did they?
13:10 Well, not as much as we would
13:12 have originally thought, but yeah, right.
13:16 So what the point is though
13:18 is yes, these are common but we're exposing ourselves
13:20 to these laundry detergents, these fabric softeners,
13:24 all kinds of foods that we're eating from all over the world
13:27 and it's not like... you know it's
13:30 how are the hives today, friend... you greet somebody.
13:34 So we just have to keep that in perspective.
13:36 It's not to scare people away from all these things,
13:38 but to say, "Look it, if you ARE having a problem,
13:40 look at all these things. " Yeah, the list is actually
13:42 a broad list that you have to look at.
13:44 Now you've even put down here hot baths or showers!
13:47 Yes and that's because there's something called...
13:49 "cholinergic urticaria"
13:51 Cholinergic.. which is like a reaction of the body.
13:54 The cholinergic system. Yes, the body - actually
13:57 heat, can actually trigger hives in some people.
14:00 Other people get hives when they get cold.
14:03 So there are a number of PHYSICAL things
14:06 that can trigger hives.
14:07 So when we are speaking about hives, this isn't always
14:09 conventional allergy and so I'm glad you bring that up
14:12 because this is important to realize that you could
14:15 ...just getting into that hot shower - could trigger
14:18 a very serious reaction.
14:21 We've been talking with Dr. David DeRose
14:24 covering information on HIVES...
14:26 What causes them, what to do,
14:28 what things specifically to AVOID or to go down.
14:32 Again, the list that we're sharing here is available on
14:35 compasshealth. net
14:37 And there also should be a list you don't really go through
14:41 without having some assistance from a healthcare professional.
14:45 When we come back, we're going to look at
14:46 some other things we can do to avoid hives.
14:48 Hope you join us when we come back.
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15:51 Welcome back, we're talking with Dr. David DeRose
15:54 We're talking about HIVES, a very practical subject.
15:56 Hives are differentiated from other types of skin problems
16:00 by the fact that they move all over the place.
16:02 Isn't that right, doctor?
16:04 Yes, basically a lesion that doesn't stay in the same place.
16:07 We have this outbreak, if you will,
16:10 that's related to the immune system,
16:12 and NOT to something specific with one point on the skin.
16:14 So the old saying... Does it hurt all over, or just in spots?
16:18 I mean, if it's all over, it's probably hives
16:21 because it moves all over.
16:22 Just in spots.. something else.
16:24 Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it probably.
16:28 Maybe not, but at least it gets us started.
16:29 You said there's also occupational hazards
16:33 or exposures that we need to be aware of
16:35 if we're trying to figure out why we have hives.
16:37 Yes, if we think about it, if we're talking about
16:40 an immune-related phenomenon
16:42 and that's what this is... anything can trigger that.
16:45 So we've been speaking about this broad list that includes
16:48 everything from foods to medications,
16:51 to things in the environment,
16:55 hot water with cholinergic urticaria.
16:58 Occupationally, whenever we talk about allergic responses,
17:02 we always have to consider the work environment.
17:05 And one of the BEST tests you can do is take a vacation!
17:09 Yeah, don't go to work.
17:10 That's exactly right... You heard it here on 3ABN!
17:12 If you're gone for several days, a week, over the weekend,
17:17 the symptoms go away; they return when you go
17:21 back to the workplace.
17:22 I mean, that's the classic scenario...
17:24 And this is not just true for hives...
17:26 People with cough, chronic cough can be an
17:29 asthma variant... another immunity problem.
17:31 And this is why you do it under a doctor's direction
17:33 because you don't want to lose your job.
17:35 Doctor, says I'm going to take off a few days
17:37 to see if this is causing my hives.
17:39 But often what we'll do is just simply ask...
17:41 What happens on the weekend? Oh
17:45 I mean, presumably you're getting a weekend off,
17:47 you're getting a week vacation.
17:49 What happened then?
17:51 And it's the same in the home.
17:53 If we're concerned that there is something
17:54 in the home, Don, that's triggering an allergic process,
17:57 whatever that allergic process may be;
17:59 whether it's hives or something else.
18:00 So what do we do for hives then?
18:02 Well basically, first you try to get a diagnosis.
18:06 What is causing the hives?
18:07 By working through all those things you've talked about.
18:10 Yes, and actually a dermatologist, an allergist
18:13 can actually do some very specific testing.
18:16 With all those little pricking you with all...
18:18 There is a variety of different ways of testing for allergens.
18:21 It's really one of the tried and true mechanisms
18:23 is the one that you're not all enamored with
18:25 which is the skin testing mechanism.
18:27 Does that really hurt? It sounds like it hurts.
18:29 Well I mean, I've had allergy testing done,
18:32 and I don't recall it being a bad experience.
18:35 It was a while ago.
18:36 I didn't try to have it done the next day.
18:38 But especially if you're having a problem!
18:41 Exactly! I mean, because here's the point...
18:43 Sure, someone says - I don't want to be pricked
18:45 In a bunch of places or I don't want to have a bunch of
18:47 blood work done or I don't want to spend the money
18:49 to see an allergist or dermatologist,
18:51 but maybe I should stop and say something here
18:54 because allergist and dermatologist are
18:57 two excellent groups of specialists who deal with
19:00 these diseases and although an internal medicine specialist
19:04 like myself or a family practitioner or a GP...
19:09 they may be able to pin down the cause pretty obviously.
19:12 Maybe it's very straight forward,
19:13 they just started you on penicillin,
19:14 and you broke out in a rash.
19:16 You don't necessarily need to see an allergist for that.
19:19 But by the same token, those 2 specialties
19:22 come at the problem often from
19:23 a little bit different perspectives.
19:25 So if you've seen an allergist who hasn't nailed down
19:28 the problem, see a dermatologist or vice versa
19:31 The key is to try to find an answer to what is
19:33 causing the hives.
19:35 So once you diagnose it... is there another way,
19:36 I mean do you ever just take peoples food away
19:39 one at a time or something like that?
19:40 Well actually many times they will not be able
19:43 to diagnose the cause.
19:44 I'm not saying 99% of the time or 90% of the time,
19:48 many times they WILL diagnose it...
19:49 But oftentimes the cause of hives, especially chronic hives,
19:53 can be somewhat elusive...
19:55 And so THEN, we've got to say,
19:57 well what kind of strategies are we going to use
20:00 to try to see if we can find out what's causing this...
20:02 Because really, this can be a very miserable existence
20:05 for somebody to have chronic hives.
20:06 It can actually be caused from an autoimmune disease.
20:09 The body can be attacking this IgE receptor
20:14 triggering these immune responses,
20:18 so that actually can happen.
20:20 So, what do you do then?
20:22 I see here you have listed on the web site here
20:26 elimination diet.
20:29 Now elimination diet is on the web site not just for hives.
20:33 But it's on the web site because ... all kinds of things.
20:36 We use elimination diets when we're dealing with
20:40 difficult problems to diagnose what's triggering them
20:43 OR problems... usually they have some kind of
20:46 inflammatory or autoimmune component,
20:49 and we're trying to say...
20:51 "Look it, there's some evidence in the scientific literature
20:54 that foods may be common triggers of this condition. "
20:58 Maybe we're talking about rheumatoid arthritis.
21:00 Maybe it's asthma and maybe it's chronic hives,
21:05 and we're going to try an elimination diet to see if this
21:10 can cause an improvement in the symptoms.
21:11 If it DOES, then it's pointing us down the direction
21:14 to the foods that we've eliminated.
21:16 One of those foods or a number
21:17 of the foods being the triggering cause.
21:19 Okay so, do you have a way to through different foods
21:24 on this thing - do you start with your corn chips,
21:26 then go to your potato chips, then go to your whatever?
21:29 Well, if you did it that way, think about it...
21:32 If you went down one food at a time,
21:35 if you have a triggering response to more than one...
21:38 We're talking about a chronic problem.
21:40 We're not speaking about you get hives once a month.
21:43 That's different... We're talking about something
21:45 that's either autoimmune, something that's chronic,
21:47 something that you can't pin down.
21:49 Then we do one of these elimination diets,
21:51 and again, it is, as you've been pointing out,
21:53 it's something that I recommend people do
21:55 under the guidance of a physician because,
21:57 let me just tell you, some of these problems
22:00 that we're talking about, if you're not being monitored
22:03 by a physician, you'll get into
22:04 big trouble if you're not moving in the right direction.
22:07 So let's go through some of them...
22:08 You have categories here...
22:10 You have level 1, level 2; items always permissible
22:14 What are the items always permissible?
22:17 Well basically, when we talk about items that are
22:19 always permissible, the elimination diet regimen
22:23 that I have on the Compass Health web site
22:26 is something that has worked for me in my work with patients.
22:29 There is evidence that supports it,
22:31 but it's also based on your clinical judgment.
22:35 So, what's on my diet here for always permissible,
22:38 for example - under grains, is simply millet.
22:41 Millet - no one is allergic to that.
22:42 Well, I wouldn't say that no one is allergic to it,
22:45 but it's a very infrequently used grain
22:49 in the human population.
22:50 Most people that I deal with have never heard of millet
22:53 as a food... they've seen it in the bird food maybe
22:56 after I point out to them what it is.
22:58 But millet is actually a very palatable grain.
23:01 It can be cooked like a hot cereal.
23:03 And one of the theories of allergy and intolerance, Don,
23:07 is if someone is predisposed to one of these conditions,
23:11 the things that they are repetitively exposed to
23:14 are things that they are more prone to develop an
23:16 allergic response to.
23:18 Okay, so you cut out the things they normally eat
23:20 in terms of grains like wheat.
23:22 Yeah, high on the list, the things that we always exclude
23:25 are the gluten-containing grains...
23:27 So that would be barley, rye, oat and wheat.
23:33 So those we exclude... it doesn't mean people
23:34 can never eat those again but during the elimination phase
23:37 we're trying to get them off multiple foods;
23:40 see if their symptoms improve.
23:42 If they DO improve, then we gradually start
23:44 adding foods back.
23:45 If one of those foods triggers the problem,
23:48 whether it's the hives - You know what it is then. Yes
23:50 So then on level 2 you have down here
23:51 would be corn and rice.
23:53 Yes, level 2 are things that we'll add back sooner.
23:58 So in other words, rice in particular tends to be
24:02 a less allergenic grain in our culture in the Western culture.
24:07 It may not be true in Asia.
24:09 I haven't worked there so I can't tell you that.
24:12 Then the next category you have nuts and seeds and legumes.
24:15 Yeah, the nuts and seeds...
24:17 Nut, in general, are fairly allergenic,
24:20 and so you'll notice here,
24:21 ALL nuts are excluded; you don't add those back.
24:25 We're including peanuts in that as well,
24:27 although it's a legume.
24:29 You'll also notice that with the other legumes besides soy,
24:32 soy we exclude completely in all these regimens.
24:36 If we're not doing a strict as an elimination diet,
24:39 we may allow other legumes.
24:40 So it's garbanzo beans or lima beans, lentils,
24:44 we may allow those in a less strict elimination diet program.
24:48 And some of these, it can really cause problems.
24:50 I heard about a young girl who just was exposed to a little bit
24:53 of peanuts and with a more severe problem than hives
24:58 I think she actually died from this.
25:00 Yeah, she had an anaphylactic reaction.
25:01 It got a lot of media press some time ago.
25:04 But it's exactly true, that's how serious these things are.
25:08 So we're not recommending that you challenge yourself
25:12 with foods that you've been avoiding,
25:13 especially if you have a serious
25:15 or life-threatening allergic problem.
25:17 So you have other things listed, we can't go through them all;
25:19 other animal products, dairy and eggs, fruits, vegetables,
25:23 and you have them in different columns.
25:24 A category... level 1, level 2.
25:26 I guess level 1 were things that you always should avoid.
25:29 Well at least if you're doing a kind of elimination diet
25:33 strategy that I'm recommending.
25:35 And then water and then OTHER THINGS!
25:37 On that level 1, other, you have chocolate, yeast,
25:40 alcohol, all kinds of different things.
25:41 Well since you mentioned water,
25:43 you know, we need to let everyone know that
25:44 we're actually not telling you you can't drink water,
25:47 but it's toxins that can be in water.
25:51 Other poisons and I use that term somewhat broadly,
25:55 but it's true, there are many compounds that get into
25:58 our water, whether it's the products of chlorination
26:02 combining with other compounds in the water
26:04 or traces of pesticides and things.
26:06 So the message, distilled water with charcoal filtration
26:10 is probably the single best option if we're dealing
26:13 with these regimens.
26:14 And then you have other tests there on the site
26:17 that you can go to that are like an ANA blood test,
26:20 and different types of blood tests that if all that
26:24 elimination doesn't work, you can look at some other things.
26:26 That's right, sometimes the reason why we're speaking
26:29 especially in this show about hives,
26:32 sometimes people have hives;
26:33 they have autoimmune diseases or autoimmune conditions
26:36 ANA is a test that most people think of in association
26:39 with lupus but it is something that can give us
26:42 insight into autoimmune process.
26:44 Can stress cause hives?
26:46 You know, I think a lot of people would say "yes"
26:49 You know, we've spoken about cholinergic urticaria,
26:52 I mean the name would even suggest that it does that,
26:56 but I have to be honest with you,
26:57 I have never seen a person, in my experience,
27:00 who had hives caused by stress.
27:04 All these different things, we discover what it is,
27:06 we take it away.
27:07 Any spiritual insights into hives?
27:09 I know you're a Christian clinician.
27:11 Well you know, I think it's interesting that you mention
27:13 taking things away sometimes would be a blessing.
27:15 You know, many times we think, in Christ we're free,
27:19 we're in liberty... Paul speaks about that experience.
27:22 But at the same time, God sometimes asks us to
27:24 give up things that are only hurting us.
27:26 I think it's a good principle to keep in mind.
27:29 Thank you, Dr. DeRose, for dedicating your life to...
27:32 You know many physicians are just day-in-day-out seeing
27:35 patients and the word doctor means teacher
27:38 and you're taking that seriously too.
27:39 You are teaching lots of different
27:41 groups - we appreciate that.
27:42 We appreciate the web site compasshealth. net
27:44 and what you're doing in your ministry. Thanks so much.
27:47 Thank you for joining us on "Health for a Lifetime"
27:49 Go to the web site compasshealth. net
27:51 You can look more closely.
27:53 We hope, as a result, you have Health that lasts for a Lifetime


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