Health for a Lifetime

Male Menopause

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Participants: Don Mckintosh (Host), David DeRose

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00:49 Hello and Welcome to Health For A Lifetime.
00:52 I am your host Don Mackintosh and
00:53 today we're gonna be talking about an interesting subject.
00:56 We're gonna be talking with Dr David DeRose,
00:59 he is a physician from Southern Oklahoma
01:03 and he is a specialist in internal medicine
01:05 and also preventive medicine
01:07 and has done a lot of work in public health as well.
01:11 Dr. DeRose we are glad you are with us today.
01:13 It always good to be on the show with you Don.
01:15 And I can't remember doing a program on this.
01:17 We're gonna talking about so called male menopause.
01:21 I've never really considered the subject
01:24 much myself or maybe I should because
01:26 when does menopause come about for a male.
01:29 While the question is does it even exist?
01:31 Probably not because, isn't that's the ladies problem?
01:35 Well, this whole thing of Andropause
01:38 or male menopause, Okay.
01:40 is really a hard issue, there were some doctors
01:43 who say it does exist. It is a problem,
01:45 it is a concern and needs to be treated
01:48 and there are other doctors that say
01:50 yes testosterone levels do decreases with age,
01:55 but there is no Andropause,
01:59 that's in anyway analogous to menopause.
02:03 I tend to lean toward that latter school of thought
02:06 that there is not some dramatic climatic event
02:09 in the male hormonal life cycle if you will,
02:14 but by the same token there are real changes
02:16 in testosterone that occur overtime.
02:18 Okay, so you know maybe
02:20 another factor could be drug companies
02:22 that seem to be very happy to find the things
02:25 they can make drugs for
02:26 although that's positive in the many ways,
02:28 you know, someone suggest that, you know,
02:32 they create needs by saying this is a problem,
02:35 that's the problem, you don't think that's a fact.
02:37 Well, I haven't really seen it at least in the things
02:40 I have been reading, it seemed to be something
02:42 being driven by drug companies.
02:43 I mean, sure if there are certain proprietary drugs
02:47 that are being studied may be but the law have to realize
02:49 that these sex steroids
02:52 and what's being marketed are often
02:54 not the sex steroids themselves,
02:56 it's not that they're telling people
02:57 to line up for testosterone shots.
02:59 A lot of people who are promoting this Andropause
03:03 for example through the Internet are people
03:05 that are trying to sell you a whole raft of supplements
03:07 that are designed to boost your testosterone levels,
03:10 make you feel better, more youthful
03:12 in all aspects of human performance.
03:16 What can we do to measure
03:19 to see whether or not the levels are normal?
03:21 Is there a measurement?
03:22 Well actually, there is a measurement
03:24 and you can simply measure testosterone level.
03:27 The problem was just the
03:28 conventional testosterone measurement.
03:30 I'll just illustrate it in the case of an individual,
03:34 who talked with me very recently.
03:36 He had come in contact with someone who,
03:40 I don't know how they do this, to be honest with you,
03:43 but they are phone based and Internet based physicians.
03:46 I guess they will order lab tests for people.
03:49 So this guy had some doctor order this lab panel
03:53 to see if he was testosterone deficient,
03:57 this is a man in his maybe 70s.
03:59 And they just measure what we call a random testosterone,
04:03 what that means is irrespective of
04:06 what time of day
04:07 they measure this blood testosterone level.
04:09 The problem with that Don is the standard that we use
04:13 for looking at whether testosterone is high or low,
04:15 is the measurement made
04:16 between 6:00 and 8:00 am in the morning.
04:19 Why then?
04:20 That's when testosterone typically peaks
04:22 especially in younger man it's very consistent,
04:25 as we get older there may not be as much of a peak
04:28 but that's the time we're looking for
04:29 the maximal level we wanna get it,
04:31 this guy had his level drawn at some other time.
04:33 His level was virtually normal,
04:35 a few points below and on top of that they measured
04:38 an even better test which is free testosterone.
04:41 Okay free meaning in the blood stream.
04:44 Yes, it's in the blood stream not bond to something else,
04:47 many of the compounds in our body
04:49 are hooked up to carriers.
04:51 And so testosterone hooks up to
04:54 something called sex hormone binding globulin
04:58 and that's inactive basically
05:00 while its hooked up to that carrier. Okay.
05:02 The free testosterone is The active testosterone,
05:05 so in the case I am sharing with you,
05:06 this 70-year-old man has this
05:09 blood testosterone measurement made,
05:12 not between 6:00 and 8:00 in the morning,
05:14 close to normal
05:15 then the free testosterone is totally normal.
05:18 Okay. And what happens?
05:19 What! Yeah! What happens?
05:21 This fellow over The phone
05:23 tells him he is well on testosterone.
05:25 And has him to order his product.
05:26 Yeah he has got to order all these natural supplements
05:29 that are gonna raise his testosterone
05:31 and make him, you know,
05:32 feel more like a man.
05:33 Whatever is supposed to happen to him
05:35 and this is really what I would say, you know,
05:40 you are talking about drug companies
05:42 kind of commandeering this
05:44 I am saying there are all kinds of people,
05:46 they are trying to find commercial advantage
05:48 in making this into a great,
05:51 I mean think about it,
05:52 the population is aging and so if you can get every man
05:55 as he gets older convinced that
05:57 he is going through Andropause
05:58 and you have got all kinds of stuff to sell him
06:00 and you could get rich. You could.
06:03 Unfortunately at my website, we don't sell any supplements.
06:06 That's good, yeah, on your website
06:08 you do have something about this subject,
06:09 don't you?
06:10 Right, we've got information, but no supplements,
06:13 my ministry is information ministry,
06:16 we are not trying to sell.
06:19 You are now gonna have someone call up you
06:21 and you gonna do these tests.
06:22 No, I don't order lab tests over phone or anything.
06:25 And the name of that ministry is compass health
06:27 and it's compasshealth.net, compasshealth.net
06:31 You got it.
06:32 And has a lot of information,
06:34 well, then what are normal levels for testosterone.
06:39 Well, we actually use in this country
06:41 a measurement that's a little bit different
06:44 then is used internationally.
06:45 We use something called nanograms per deciliter,
06:48 most people won't know what that measurement means.
06:51 The average person didn't even
06:52 had their testosterone level measured.
06:54 But, the normal range in the US units
06:57 that we are using 300 to 1000,
07:01 that's the range between 6:00 and 8:00 in the morning,
07:04 that's when we're looking at this peak testosterone level.
07:08 So, there is other things to interact with this,
07:11 I see here on your web page
07:12 you say that the pituitary
07:14 and hypothalamus are also related,
07:17 and this and of course they all talk to each other,
07:19 so, just because your level's low
07:21 doesn't mean it's that problem,
07:23 it could be some problem
07:24 with your pituitary or hypothalamus.
07:26 No, you are exactly right, I mean,
07:27 we know the testosterone is made from the testicles
07:30 and so if you have a low testosterone level,
07:33 it doesn't mean you're testicles necessarily are failing
07:36 or could be a pituitary problem.
07:38 That's exactly right, if your pituitary is not making LH,
07:41 Luteinizing hormone, it's the signal
07:43 that tells the testosterone to make this testosterone,
07:47 this male androgen, then that could be
07:50 the problem or the hypothalamus,
07:52 which is in the brain telling the pituitary
07:55 at the base of the brain to put out the LH
07:58 if it's got a problem,
07:59 if you've had a stroke or something else,
08:01 a tumor in the brain. So really Don,
08:03 if you do have a testosterone measurement made,
08:07 okay. Right.
08:09 And we will make it personal, so we have got someone
08:11 who is viewing today and they say boy
08:13 this is all interesting and they wonder if I am,
08:16 you know, got a low testosterone level,
08:17 they go to their doctor
08:18 and the normal range between 300 and 1000,
08:21 they have a testosterone measurement
08:23 that comes back a 150, that's very low
08:26 that should prompt some diagnostic evaluation,
08:30 why the testosterone level is that low.
08:33 Yeah, because it could be the hypothalamus,
08:35 it could be the pituitary, it could be
08:36 all kinds of different things,
08:37 but it's not the end of all is what you are saying.
08:40 Exactly right!
08:41 Okay what are some factors that influence these levels,
08:46 these testosterone levels?
08:47 Well there are a variety of factors
08:48 and just to go back to this one scenario,
08:51 I gave you, this 70-year-old gentlemen.
08:53 Who called up and.
08:54 Yeah, was sold this raft of supplements,
08:56 when talking with this fellow,
08:58 I mean if you met him,
09:00 you would need to talk with him at all,
09:02 you could just see him and you'd realize
09:04 he was overweight. Okay.
09:06 One of the things That Drives
09:07 testosterone levels down is overweight.
09:10 Is that right?
09:11 So, here this guy instead of spending his money
09:13 on a health club membership or better yet,
09:15 get some new walking shoes.
09:17 He's buying all these supplements
09:20 and really if he just had his testosterone measurement,
09:24 measured between 6:00 and 8:00 in the morning,
09:25 it probably would have been normal.
09:27 But, if he was concerned Beyond
09:28 that just exercising more could have
09:31 made the big difference
09:33 and also lowered his risk of
09:35 a whole list of other problems.
09:36 So, losing weight, I mean, every pound,
09:38 the weight you gain is a whole
09:40 bunch of extra blood vessels,
09:42 as this you know body only produces
09:44 so much and if you're 150 pounds,
09:46 but you move to 300, you still have the same
09:48 you know production level,
09:51 is that way it goes down and up?
09:53 Well I can't tell you I understand
09:54 all the physiology between the obesity,
09:56 testosterone relationship, but it is
09:58 a consistent relationship if someone is overweight
10:01 and they lose weight.
10:02 They can expect those testosterone levels to rise.
10:05 So, you have here on the web page
10:07 that other things can cause it to increase or decrease,
10:10 one is acute illness, any kind of illness, pneumonia.
10:14 Exactly if you've been acutely sick
10:17 those testosterone levels could be suppressed,
10:19 you know, a good way of looking
10:20 at this done is our bodies were designed so that
10:24 when we are under stress
10:26 the most essential things are preserved
10:29 and the least essential things are cutback first
10:32 and so we find this in women as well as men.
10:34 If the body is under stress, one of the first things
10:37 that suffers is reproductive capacity,
10:39 so just like the young ladies
10:41 that are doing you know aggressive gymnastics,
10:44 their hormonal levels may drop
10:47 and they stop having her menstrual periods,
10:48 men when they are under lots of stress, acute stress,
10:51 whether it's physical illness or something else
10:53 we may see those testosterone levels drop.
10:55 What about chronic illness?
10:56 Chronic illness is also on the list.
10:59 So, this is why you Know
11:01 if we just look at one thing in isolation,
11:03 you just say look at the testosterone level.
11:04 Not at all. You're missing the big picture.
11:06 So, diabetes, lung problems, all those
11:09 different kind of things can cause it to go down.
11:11 Exactly all these things were on the list and treatment
11:13 of the underlying problem is where we should focus.
11:15 Then what about medications,
11:17 other medications make it go down.
11:18 There are medications,
11:19 that could affect testosterone levels,
11:21 and some of those medications
11:22 are commonly used drugs in America.
11:26 Like you have done here for heart disease,
11:27 Digoxin. Exactly, Digoxin,
11:30 which many of our listeners and viewers
11:33 may be aware of for their heart
11:35 for whether it's Atrial Fibrillation,
11:37 whether they're on Lanoxin formulation or something else,
11:41 this is a common drug
11:43 and it can depress testosterone levels.
11:45 So, you also list here
11:46 Narcotics and excessive alcohol.
11:49 Well you know the alcohol connection is really,
11:52 I was gonna say a sobering one,
11:54 but that may not be appreciated by you Don,
11:59 who has a little bit different sense of humor.
12:01 It wasn't supposed to be a joke,
12:03 but I was searching for some other word
12:04 to convey the same thing.
12:05 But alcohol is something that really is a reminder to us
12:09 because we're touting alcohol so much,
12:11 I'm not, but many in the public
12:13 health community are touting
12:14 this is something beneficial and it does interfere
12:17 with testosterone levels
12:18 as well as a number of other things.
12:19 Yes, so I suppose you know people
12:21 who are drinking and different things,
12:23 if they are worried at all about their testosterone,
12:25 they'd stop drinking. You are exactly right,
12:28 blood pressure too, alcohol is something
12:30 that raises blood pressure.
12:31 And since we're on the subject,
12:33 it raises breast cancer risk in women for sure.
12:37 Males in breast cancer connection with the alcohol,
12:41 I have not seen data.
12:42 So, narcotics, pain killers, alcohol,
12:44 but you also list as something
12:46 you can really down the testosterone,
12:48 cigarette smoking.
12:50 You know the list just continues to grow and grow
12:54 about the problems of tobacco smoking.
12:56 Many people are getting the message done,
12:58 but it said that many of our young people
13:01 are still picking up cigarettes and becoming addicted.
13:06 Yes, it's definitely on the list
13:08 for lowering testosterone levels.
13:09 You say that they are some lifestyle factors
13:12 that may raise the testosterone levels,
13:14 you also talk on your website compasshealth.net
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13:21 testosterone replacement,
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14:32 Welcome back, we're talking with Dr. David DeRose,
14:34 he is a physician from Southern Oklahoma
14:36 and he has dedicated his life to understanding
14:39 both the medical side and the spiritual side
14:41 of our health problems,
14:43 he has a website called compasshealth.net
14:46 and the material that we are covering today
14:47 and many other interesting
14:49 and important topics are on that website,
14:52 thank you for that resource by the way.
14:54 You're welcome.
14:55 We appreciate that, now we're talking about male
14:57 or so called male menopause or Andropause
15:00 as the term is and you know
15:03 we're saying is that true or false
15:05 and we've been looking at several different things,
15:07 blood levels of testosterone,
15:08 the fact that testosterone is not the end
15:10 all because its dependent on the hypothalamus
15:13 and also pituitary, other glands in the body
15:15 and so it's not a simple as looking at that,
15:17 but having said that we looked at some things
15:19 that can elevate it
15:20 and something that can actually looked at
15:22 what could lower it and we wanna look at some things
15:24 that could raise the blood testosterone levels,
15:28 is there any accurate summary about this.
15:31 Oh no, definitely and in fact the things
15:33 that can raise it are often on the flip side of the things
15:36 that lower in many cases, so we're speaking about obesity,
15:41 lowering testosterone.
15:42 So, it's pretty obvious one way to raise testosterone
15:45 levels, as we've mentioned is to lose weight.
15:48 The same with alcohol and tobacco,
15:51 stopping those substances can make a difference
15:54 and the same with some of these prescription drugs
15:56 again we never recommend someone
15:59 just stop a prescription drug
16:00 without consulting with a physician,
16:02 but if it's a concern that this
16:04 is affecting your testosterone levels,
16:06 it's something worth discussing with your physician
16:09 see if there is an alternate medication
16:10 that can accomplish the same, there are some other things
16:13 though that we haven't talk about,
16:15 one of them is short-term weight training exercise.
16:18 Well, that sounds Pretty manly.
16:19 It is manly. Want to get your testosterone?
16:22 That's right start pumping some iron,
16:23 actually there is evidence, there is evidence
16:26 that this can help boost testosterone levels.
16:29 In fact a lot what we often attribute to aging.
16:33 We're finding in many dimensions
16:35 is just related to inactivity
16:38 and we're not maintaining our bodies
16:40 and so yes there tends to be this decline in testosterone
16:44 overtime, but some of that if we keep fit,
16:47 weight training exercise, keep lean,
16:49 we gonna see that much less.
16:51 Let me give you another example. Okay.
16:53 As we get older as men,
16:55 we have an increase risk of developing sleep apnea.
16:58 Part of that increase risk has to do
17:00 if we tend to gain weight overtime,
17:02 but sleep apnea and interrupted sleep,
17:05 poor quality sleep is a known
17:07 cause of depressing testosterone levels.
17:10 So, definitely check that out,
17:14 it the ways but also checkout there is a disturbing sleep.
17:17 Yeah, here is the situation, sleep apnea
17:19 is such a big problem Don,
17:21 that if someone is snoring at night,
17:24 if someone observes him to stop breathing at night,
17:28 this is something serious
17:29 not only because it can be lowering testosterone levels,
17:32 but sleep apnea has been associated with
17:35 heart rhythm problems,
17:36 it's been associated with diabetes,
17:39 increase risk of diabetes,
17:41 high blood pressure, there is a host of things
17:43 and of course accidents during the day.
17:47 Because these people
17:48 are excessively sleepy during the day,
17:49 they're not aware of it at night,
17:52 but we knew of obstructive sleep apnea.
17:54 You're actually waking up often times,
17:57 hundreds of times throughout the night
17:59 and you're totally oblivious to it.
18:01 And so you never get that deep sleep,
18:03 you never get that rejuvenating sleep
18:05 and you're always fatigued.
18:07 That's right it's not though as obvious as it may seem,
18:12 you see because people at least
18:13 what's happening at night,
18:15 when you start to snore
18:17 and then you stop breathing
18:19 when your oxygen level gets low enough,
18:21 you're brain tells your body to wake up and breath.
18:25 You don't wake up though, it's on a subconscious level.
18:28 Umm, umm!
18:29 So, someone says why I've slept through the night,
18:30 but I just feel wiped out,
18:32 they have actually at a brain level,
18:34 they have awakened hundreds of times
18:36 not at a conscious level.
18:37 Okay, so if you have any question about
18:40 that usually a pulmonologist or somebody who has a lab,
18:43 you can go there and you can get it checked out.
18:45 That's exactly right
18:46 and the interesting relationship about sleep apnea
18:49 and testosterone, it works both ways
18:52 because now with all this interest
18:53 and people trying to boost their testosterone levels.
18:56 Testosterone tends to make sleep apnea worse.
19:01 So, someone who just Willy-Nilly decides,
19:05 well I must be low on testosterone,
19:06 I am going to start taking these herbal preparations
19:09 that I can get
19:10 and see if I can boost my testosterone levels,
19:13 they may actually, ironically,
19:16 make their problems worse.
19:19 With the sleep apnea?
19:20 With sleep apnea.
19:21 So, the hormone replacement therapy
19:24 or suggested hormone replacement therapy,
19:27 is something we talk about a lot with women
19:29 who are going through the change or whatever.
19:31 But, with men you better think twice
19:34 about that is what you are saying?
19:35 Well, we found that we have to do that with
19:37 women as well, and ladies know that today. Right.
19:41 This idea that, look at, if you've a certain situation
19:46 when you're young and it changes when you're old,
19:49 we can make you feel like you're younger again
19:52 or restore your vitality
19:54 by try and make your body more like it was
19:56 when you are in your 20s.
19:58 We've seen with the female sex hormones
20:00 with the estrogen,
20:01 the progesterone simply does not work.
20:03 Umm, umm!
20:04 And we should be very careful because Don,
20:06 not only does testosterone increase
20:11 sleep apnea problems if they exist,
20:13 testosterone also does some other bad things.
20:15 What's they do?
20:16 Lowers HDL levels.
20:18 Which is the happy density lipoprotein, the healthy.
20:22 The healthy one right, the good cholesterol,
20:24 you low that
20:25 when you start increasing you're testosterone levels.
20:27 You do some other thing though
20:29 and that is you increase your risk of your PSA going up,
20:33 you'll increase the risk of prostate enlargement.
20:36 The biggest concern
20:37 is if you have got an early prostate cancer
20:40 that's not been detected
20:41 and you start taking
20:43 something that's raising your testosterone levels.
20:45 Not Good.
20:46 Not good at all,
20:47 you'll be feeding that cancer
20:48 and currently multiply problems.
20:49 So, it sounds like you're saying
20:52 think twice before looking at replacement therapy.
20:56 That's exactly right, this is not something
20:59 that we encourage lay people to do on their own,
21:02 say look at read the stuff on the Internet,
21:04 read the latest book on Andropause,
21:06 and if you think your symptoms fit
21:08 the whatever the author is saying on the symptoms
21:11 of andropause start taking some DHEA or DHEAS
21:16 or you know some other
21:19 hormonal pro-occurs receive
21:21 and get your testosterone level up.
21:23 What I am saying is that theoretically is advise
21:25 that's frought with problems.
21:27 So, why then on your website,
21:28 you know compasshealth.net,
21:30 you also list potential benefits
21:33 for many of the things like increased
21:36 or improved insulin function,
21:37 decrease body fat mass,
21:39 increase bone health of course a big one probably
21:43 the people are interested in,
21:44 increase libido and sexual functioning,
21:46 potential benefits for those that are having angina
21:50 and those are also very positive.
21:52 Yes, and they are, but you notice on the website
21:55 like when it's speaking about libido,
21:56 its talking about the people have the lowest levels
21:59 of the testosterone.
22:00 Yes, if you've got you know testicular failure
22:03 okay you know whatever for whatever reason
22:06 I mean if you've testicular torsion,
22:08 you've a traumatic event,
22:10 you know when you had a problem with one
22:12 of the other other testicles earlier in life
22:13 yes you're testosterone levels are very low,
22:17 we'll do a testosterone measurement,
22:18 okay you're seeing their endocrinologist or urologist
22:21 who walk you down their path.
22:22 Your testosterone level is very low
22:25 and you don't have a pituitary problem
22:27 or a brain problem
22:28 then yes
22:29 you may get some profound benefits
22:31 if you really have a problem with.
22:33 Umm, umm!
22:34 So, the website is trying to give you
22:35 a balance prospective.
22:37 Yes, if you really want testosterone
22:39 it can cause problems,
22:40 but by the same token
22:41 because of that don't you treat yourself
22:44 with these "natural preparations."
22:46 Okay, other benefits you have mentioned on the site,
22:49 benefits in depression, mental functioning,
22:52 but all of these you're saying.
22:53 These potential benefits,
22:56 you better really know
22:57 what you are doing before you look at those and say
22:59 I need all that.
23:00 You wanna make sure you are deficient.
23:02 Umm, umm!
23:03 Okay and so that's a laboratory diagnoses,
23:05 it's a clinical diagnoses,
23:07 you wanna be working with a physician,
23:09 not just to somebody who orders a test
23:11 over the phone for you
23:13 and doesn't even know what time the test was done,
23:15 is not putting in the context of what's going on with you,
23:18 you want that personal relationship with a physician.
23:21 So, this is almost I mean this topic is almost like,
23:24 you know, if you have any question
23:27 I guess what I am asking is for an action item.
23:29 If you have any question what's so you're
23:31 testosterone level looking at the science and symptoms
23:33 I comprehend and your first step is may be
23:35 go to endocrinologist or talk to your family
23:38 physician who refer you to one
23:39 and just check it out.
23:41 Well it's not even that complicated.
23:44 Okay. I mean the average family practitioner,
23:46 the average internal medicine specialist,
23:48 can draw a simple blood test,
23:50 You know to check your testosterone level,
23:53 to check your free testosterone level if there is,
23:56 you know, if you wanna be a little bit
23:57 more precise and if those numbers are fine then.
24:02 Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it okay,
24:05 if they are really low. Okay.
24:07 And really low like below 200,
24:10 you definitely need to have
24:12 the pituitary function checked,
24:14 you wanna make sure there is not something serious
24:16 going on and that's scenario you don't just want to start
24:19 taking testosterone.
24:20 Umm, umm!
24:21 You wanna find out
24:22 why it's low first and then get the proper treatment.
24:26 And if you're Overweight take care
24:29 of that problem first.
24:30 Exactly and you see I think Don
24:32 as we have these dialogues
24:33 and we speak about this subject,
24:35 it just comes back to me the same common themes,
24:38 what people want to do today
24:41 is what they always wanted to take a short court.
24:42 They wanna take a short cut to good health,
24:44 they wanna catch on the latest heart diagnosis,
24:47 because I after all they say I just don't feel like that
24:49 I used to feel or I have never felt all that great,
24:52 they're looking for something new
24:53 when often times the simple thing,
24:56 exercise we talked about, didn't we.
24:57 Yeah we talked about stopping smoking,
25:00 we talked about maybe pumping the iron.
25:02 That's exactly right.
25:03 All these lifestyle things
25:05 and so what happens is
25:07 when someone short circuits their connection
25:10 that God has put there
25:11 between a healthy lifestyle and healthy physiology
25:15 whether its testosterone levels,
25:17 whether it's cholesterol,
25:18 whether it's blood pressure.
25:19 All kinds of good things happen,
25:21 we follow good lifestyle.
25:22 We need to try to short circuit
25:24 that instead taking whether its natural compounds
25:26 or prescription drugs you start messing up physiology.
25:31 One of the things I noticed on the website was that
25:35 when you take the supplements it can increase
25:38 the hemoglobin what causes problems.
25:40 It's that testosterone connection.
25:41 If you are actually taking supplements
25:43 that are raising testosterone levels down
25:46 what you going to do?
25:47 As you are gonna tend to raise your hemoglobin level
25:49 and now that may sound wonderful to some people,
25:52 but actually most people in America
25:54 are hypercoagulable, their blood, yes.
25:58 Hypercoagulable. Yes.
26:00 Which means they are just looking to clot.
26:03 That's right.
26:04 And they don't need a higher concentration
26:07 of blood cells.
26:08 Okay. Okay.
26:09 So, in fact good analogy, Don. Remember,
26:12 I don't know if you remember hearing about this,
26:14 but there were a number of cyclists,
26:16 elite, in a world class cyclists who were dropping dead.
26:19 Didn't hear about it.
26:20 Okay, I am not a big cyclist fan either,
26:22 but the medical journals were reading about it.
26:25 It was big news.
26:26 A lot of these leads cyclists were dying
26:29 and what they were doing
26:30 is their blood doping.
26:31 Okay, they were boosting up
26:33 their hemoglobin so that they can carry more oxygen.
26:35 Not good.
26:36 Not good, because
26:38 when you get little bit dehydrated
26:39 and you have got all those blood cells in,
26:41 blood is likely to clot
26:42 and these people are having heart attacks, 20,
26:44 30 year olds. Okay.
26:46 Just imagine, you're 70 years old, you boosting,
26:49 you know taken all this extra testosterone
26:53 either without a prescription
26:54 or you are do in a court naturally.
26:56 Listen your testosterone level is fine,
26:59 live it alone, get on a good lifestyle
27:01 even if it's a little low and you wanna boost it,
27:03 boost the way, exercise, stop smoking,
27:06 get rid of the alcohol,
27:07 these things can make the real difference.
27:10 Dr. DeRose on your website compasshealth.net
27:13 you have more this material and you know,
27:15 this whole thing just debate you are not ready
27:19 to write a book on it,
27:20 but you will at least given us the principles to deal with.
27:23 Definitely you can go there to the website
27:25 and tap into that information.
27:27 Well, thank you so much for taking your time and again,
27:30 you know, spiritually speaking,
27:32 God designed the body to kind of,
27:35 you know, work without a lot of additional help
27:38 and that's really the message
27:39 we are sending as well as it.
27:41 That's exactly the message.
27:42 God's given us a program of total health.
27:44 Let's just cooperate with him.
27:46 Follow the best lifestyle.
27:48 We will see benefits hormonally
27:49 as well as every other way of life.
27:51 Well, thanks so much for joining us
27:52 today in the program.
27:53 We appreciate what you do on the website
27:55 and all this work,
27:56 and thank you all for joining us in Health For A Lifetime.


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