Health for a Lifetime

Making And Staying

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Participants: Don Mackintosh (Host), Neil Nedley

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00:01 The following program presents principles
00:03 designed to promote good health
00:04 and is not intended to take the place
00:06 of personalized professional care.
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00:11 are those of the speaker.
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00:14 their own conclusions about the
00:15 information presented.
00:50 Hello and welcome to Health For A Lifetime.
00:51 I'm your host Don Mackintosh.
00:53 And today we're gonna be talking about
00:55 making and staying with positive health choices.
00:58 Talking with us today about this important
01:00 subject is Dr. Neil Nedley.
01:02 He is a physician from Ardmore, Oklahoma.
01:04 Well actually Dr. Neil Nedley,
01:06 you're not from Ardmore, Oklahoma,
01:08 you're kind of from the world.
01:09 Because you travel all over the place
01:10 and you talk about,
01:12 you know different things,
01:13 you're not just a physician in
01:15 Internal Medicine but you,
01:16 in the true sense of the word are a doctor,
01:19 that's a teacher. And you know
01:21 I've had occasion to work with you
01:22 on a lot of different things whether
01:24 it be depression recovery seminars,
01:26 or talking about the book proof positive,
01:29 or other various health venues and lectures.
01:32 And you know you're practices
01:35 kind of multi focal, I mean,
01:37 it doesn't mean that he who is
01:39 everywhere is nowhere,
01:40 it's just that you know,
01:41 you talk about cardiology and
01:44 do a lot of that in Internal Medicine
01:45 and Gastroenterology and then a
01:48 preventive medicine as well.
01:49 So you know,
01:51 we're just glad you took time from
01:53 such a busy schedule to be with us today.
01:55 Well thank you, it's, very glad to be here.
01:58 Now you know,
01:59 I'm sure in clinical medicine and then also
02:03 when you're teaching that you deal
02:05 with this subject a lot.
02:06 You see that people have gotten
02:08 into all kinds of problems and
02:10 they need to make positive changes and
02:13 then they have problems sticking with them.
02:15 Well you know 80 percent of the patients
02:19 that we see in a hospital setting are
02:22 there because of their addictive habits.
02:25 If you take habits that they know are
02:28 harmful to them and if they're able to
02:32 overcome those habits we would have
02:34 80 percent less hospital admissions
02:37 at least in the Internal Medicine ward.
02:39 So this is just kind of just like
02:40 everyday life things that they,
02:42 they could get a handle on.
02:43 That's right, you know of course
02:45 tobacco and alcohol are probably the big two.
02:49 But there are a lot of other addictions
02:51 out there as well that are more under
02:53 the table and people don't recognize the
02:56 severe consequences of
02:58 those addictions caused.
02:59 So what are some of those be,
03:00 we got alcohol, tobacco what are
03:01 some of the other addictions?
03:02 Well, sugar addiction. It's a big one.
03:05 There are many individuals that are
03:08 addicted to certain foods,
03:10 particularly the real high simple
03:13 carbohydrate foods, chocolate,
03:15 40 percent of females in United States
03:19 have an addictive relationship to chocolates.
03:21 Is that right? Yeah. 10 percent of males,
03:24 it still occurs in males as well.
03:26 Go ahead. No, so you've got chocolate,
03:30 you've got, what about caffeine?
03:31 Caffeine is another big one,
03:33 80 percent of Americans utilize caffeine regularly.
03:39 And that is an addictive drug,
03:41 it ends in INE and if you withdraw from it
03:44 you'll get, you'll feel like you're on chemotherapy
03:47 with the headaches and the zombie-like feeling.
03:49 And I remember doing that actually I,
03:51 I was working one summer night
03:53 began to partake of the soft drink that
03:55 I won't mention on air here but if I mention it,
03:58 everyone would probably know what
03:59 it was and, right, and then when I stopped
04:02 at the end of the summer I had these
04:04 terrible headaches for like five days and
04:06 I realized that was this what it was. Yeah.
04:08 I hope most people last about two or three
04:10 days but we've had people last
04:13 for as long as 14 days. 14 days, yeah.
04:16 Severe headaches from withdrawn.
04:17 So I suppose one of the challenges is
04:19 getting people to want to make a positive
04:23 health change and to understand
04:26 what a positive health change is? Yes exactly.
04:29 Many people of course don't know that
04:32 they're doing things that are harming
04:34 their body and of course that's the
04:36 first step, is to give them the knowledge
04:38 of what those habits are doing to their body.
04:41 No one will ever move along the stages
04:44 of change unless they're given good knowledge
04:48 that they're convinced as good knowledge,
04:50 and then they'll be able to make the changes
04:53 from there hopefully. And so how do you
04:55 go about that I mean many times I'll say to
04:57 people you really shouldn't do that,
04:58 they just go oh you got to die at something.
05:00 Well they're not willing to give it up and they
05:04 think that the life would not be enjoyable
05:06 without it. There's a lot of
05:08 people that are so hooked to their
05:11 addictions that they think that somehow
05:14 life will no longer have joy
05:16 if they give that addiction up.
05:17 They give up that Hoho, zinger or
05:20 that chocolate bar whatever it is. Right,
05:22 exactly. And of course they,
05:24 the testimonies are very clear from people
05:27 who have given those things up that
05:28 actually their joy and happiness is
05:30 enhanced and not detracted from. Okay,
05:34 so coming to the first step then is
05:37 having them see that they're doing something
05:39 negative and then probably the second step
05:41 is replacing it with something positive. Yes.
05:44 That's right actually we have a graphic that
05:46 kind of you know even infants when they're,
05:49 when they're changing.
05:51 Have this struggle to go through,
05:53 they have to learn what to do,
05:55 they have to get ready to do it
05:56 and then they have to do it.
05:58 And so those are the preparation phase
06:02 so to speak of making a lifestyle change.
06:06 Yeah I mean I have an infant right now,
06:08 I have an eight month old and I have a
06:09 2 year old. And you know
06:11 the eight month old is learning how to
06:14 do things, the 2 year old is getting ready to,
06:17 get away from diapers and we're all praying
06:20 for that once a day, and then wanting to it
06:23 and identifying it, same kind of thing
06:26 in any change. Yeah, exactly.
06:27 They're having to go through those same
06:29 changes but fortunately for them
06:31 sometimes it's actually easier because
06:34 of the own barriers we adults
06:36 put up in making changes ourselves. Okay,
06:40 so anything you want to say about those,
06:42 learning what to do, and those steps other
06:45 than just identifying, they're pretty basic.
06:46 Well often when we're dealing we change,
06:49 we're talking about addictions and they're
06:50 some common characteristics of
06:52 addictions that would be worth
06:54 mentioning at this point.
06:55 A lot of people wonder what you say
06:57 for instance chocolate addiction.
06:59 And the majority,
07:01 there's five common characteristics
07:03 of addictions and majority of these will
07:07 be present in most addictions.
07:09 First is an overwhelming compulsion
07:11 to continually use, okay.
07:13 Then there is a need for increased
07:15 amounts overtime. And then if the
07:17 individual stops it they'll actually begin
07:20 to suffer withdrawal symptoms.
07:22 Then if they stop it for even a long
07:25 period of time maybe several weeks
07:27 or months there's still a pretty high tendency
07:29 that they're gonna relapse back into it.
07:30 And there's also a detrimental effect
07:33 on the individual or a society.
07:36 There's something that's quite interesting
07:38 in regards to bad habits versus good habits.
07:43 Bad habits tend to have a very addictive nature,
07:50 element, an element to them.
07:51 Where good habits, actually you can
07:54 withdraw from good habits and
07:56 choose other good habits and it's not something
07:59 that produces a lot of blood, sweat and tears
08:01 in regards of the individual.
08:03 I'd like to use the example of mangoes for
08:07 instance, my wife is allergic to mangoes,
08:10 breaks out on her mouth and you know she likes
08:14 mangoes but once we figured out
08:17 what's happening and I told that she
08:19 shouldn't eat mangoes anymore,
08:20 she didn't say Neil, I don't know how
08:23 in the world I'm gonna enjoy life without them.
08:25 I mean, are you serious,
08:28 I'm gonna have to give up mangoes,
08:29 she didn't sweat, she didn't you know
08:32 argue with me vehemently that you
08:35 have to die of something.
08:36 She didn't hide mangoes in the, right,
08:39 around the house, exactly.
08:42 And of course the Lord's choices are that way.
08:44 One of God's principles is freedom of choice.
08:47 In fact He was so willing for freedom
08:50 of choice to be there that He was more
08:52 willing for sin to enter into the world
08:54 than for freedom to be done away with.
08:57 And so His choice is we have freedom in that,
09:01 we can choose, if you're addicted to broccoli
09:03 you might be disappointed that you
09:05 no longer can eat broccoli but
09:07 you'll be able to do that very well.
09:09 The devil's habits, there's a grip of vice
09:14 that's put around the individuals
09:16 they start utilizing that.
09:17 And so even if they want to have the
09:19 freedom to change afterwards and they know
09:22 that they should change,
09:23 the grip is so strong that it requires
09:26 some pretty tremendous resources
09:28 including spiritual resources for them
09:30 to ever be able to change.
09:31 So what would you say to the person
09:34 that comes to you and says,
09:35 well yeah man but these are plants God created
09:39 and I'm just smoking them,
09:40 so God created those,
09:42 you know I've had people telling me
09:43 that the substances that they're buying
09:45 of were created by God. Well.
09:48 Just because it's a plant,
09:50 it doesn't mean it's healthy.
09:51 I mean you know where does you know
09:54 heroin come from. You know there's
09:57 all sorts of drugs that are derived
09:59 from plant sources that are clearly
10:01 harmful to the brain, harmful to the body.
10:04 Tobacco is one of those as well,
10:06 marijuana is there and so I take issue
10:09 with the people that say well it's all
10:11 natural because there's clearly some things
10:15 that are natural that are quite harmful,
10:16 I mean yeah, snake venom is natural too,
10:18 but we wouldn't want to inject it into us.
10:21 Yes. Right. And I guess the first story
10:24 there in Genesis about the first drug pusher
10:27 if you will, he said hey,
10:28 you have some of this it will make you get high,
10:30 you will get higher than everybody else,
10:31 that's right, you'll have insight,
10:33 they will do this, yeah,
10:34 it was kind of a very addictive kind
10:36 of drug pusher kind of conversation.
10:37 It was. Yeah. It was going to make
10:41 her feel good. Right.
10:43 Put her into an enhanced fear and of course
10:46 there's a lot of people when they start
10:47 utilizing drugs that's why they utilize it,
10:49 they utilize it to get high at first.
10:52 But as the grip starts getting them
10:54 then they actually don't use it to get
10:58 high anymore, they use it to numb their pain.
11:00 Because in between times they have some
11:02 very low periods of no pleasure,
11:06 you know lower than what the
11:07 human being is supposed to be at
11:08 and so they try to get their pleasure
11:10 scale up to the "normal level" now.
11:13 They're having to utilize these drugs
11:15 just to numb their pain.
11:16 So identifying these addictive things
11:21 sometimes people just to come like for
11:23 instance you mentioned chocolate.
11:25 Are you saying that's like the devil's food?
11:30 Well there's some worse food that you could
11:33 actually eat believe it or not than chocolate,
11:36 but a chocolate is high in fat,
11:38 it's high in sugar, it adds to the waistline
11:42 and it also adds to some brain problems overtime.
11:49 A chocolate temporarily increases
11:52 serotonin levels; this is one of the
11:53 reasons why it somewhere addicted,
11:55 the dopamine levels also go up
11:56 because of chocolate. And so many
11:59 women call them comfort foods,
12:01 you know when I feel bad
12:02 I just need to have some chocolate and
12:04 then I feel better for a while.
12:06 But that only lasts a short term
12:08 and then their pleasure,
12:09 their dopamine levels go down
12:10 lower than what they're supposed
12:12 even during a period of fast.
12:14 And so they feel that need again.
12:16 So why do they go down?
12:18 Well it's really due to, you know,
12:22 any drug whether it's heroin,
12:26 whether it's cocaine, whether it's even
12:30 things that are not drugs,
12:32 pornography for instance is associated
12:35 with an elevation in dopamine levels
12:38 that is not based on something
12:40 that is long lasting. The long lasting way of
12:44 doing it is to eat a complex
12:46 carbohydrate diet, where you get
12:48 that nice steady state of dopamine levels,
12:51 it's not way up there off the scale,
12:53 above where human pleasure should
12:55 be like it is when these drugs
12:58 are utilized but it's up there at a nice level
13:00 where the individual can be a happy person
13:02 the entire day and not have these
13:05 periods of downtime. Okay.
13:08 So basically you've said tobacco, alcohol,
13:14 chocolate, some of these comfort foods,
13:17 will it be like simple carbohydrate foods
13:21 that make the sugars go up really high,
13:23 sugars all these other different things
13:25 are things we wanna avoid and those are
13:27 the things you are asking us to make
13:30 positive changes concerning. Right.
13:32 and there's other things that are not ingested
13:34 you know for instance gambling,
13:36 highly addictive. Gambling, pornography,
13:39 gambling, pornography, Internet,
13:41 there's Internet addictions. Many people,
13:44 both genders get involved in Internet
13:47 addictions but often with the women
13:50 it's you know it's the friendship, relationships
13:54 with these faceless people that they
13:56 never meet, that they're hooked to.
13:59 We're talking with Dr. Neil Nedley,
14:01 we're talking about making and then
14:03 maintaining positive choices in our lives.
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15:16 We're talking with Dr. Neil Nedley
15:17 We're talking about making and
15:19 maintaining positive health choices.
15:21 We've talked about some things
15:22 that are very addictive,
15:24 we've talked about tobacco,
15:25 we've talked about alcohol,
15:26 we've talked about chocolate,
15:28 and we've talked about Internet,
15:30 we've talked about pornography,
15:32 we've talked about gambling.
15:33 Dr. Neil Nedley, are there other things
15:35 we should mention when we talk about
15:36 things that are addictive.
15:37 Very common addiction in the
15:39 United States is Xanax, Ativan, Klonopin.
15:44 These drugs that people utilize to make them
15:47 feel differently, again it's a false way
15:49 of altering the way they feel.
15:51 After they utilize them for more than 30 days,
15:54 they get a grip on them and they are
15:55 tough to get off it
15:56 And they're effecting their relationships,
15:59 they are effecting a lot of things
16:01 about them that they don't have a clue
16:02 that it's effecting them on,
16:04 until they go through the withdrawal process
16:06 and get off of them and then their
16:08 relationships dramatically improve
16:10 and all the enemies that they had
16:11 before are no longer there, extra,
16:14 and the common addiction in the US.
16:19 So in another words that the brain is
16:22 kind of organized around that substance
16:25 however you get it. That's right,
16:26 with those drugs it's increasing GABA
16:29 and so your body quits making it because it's
16:32 depending on the drugs and so when you
16:34 quite utilizing and the GABA goes down
16:36 to extremely low levels making you feel anxious
16:39 and almost wanting to crawl out of your skin,
16:41 you can even have a seizure with abrupt
16:43 withdrawal if you're on large doses of Xanax.
16:46 And so it needs to be done under doctor
16:48 supervision, but it's very important for
16:51 anyone listening out there that's on
16:53 these drugs I can tell you,
16:54 your life would be enhanced,
16:56 if you would see a good addictionologist
16:59 to help you get off of those drugs
17:01 and there is a good process on how
17:03 it can be done and virtually anyone can.
17:04 So how would they go about it,
17:06 what's the process?
17:07 Well the process on those drugs because
17:10 if you are on high doses you can end up
17:12 seizing as we wean them down slowly
17:14 over the course of three to five days,
17:16 they're decreasing the dose a little bit more
17:18 until they finally get to the place within
17:20 a month, where they're no longer taking that.
17:22 And it'll take another 30 days after that
17:24 for your brain to start producing GABA
17:26 like it's supposed to. So the individual
17:29 will have to be willing to put up with some
17:32 withdrawal for quite a period of time.
17:34 So it's best to be around people
17:35 that kind of understand what's
17:37 happening during that time.
17:38 Well I think it's good if you're on this
17:40 to let your family know what's happening
17:42 and they can support you in that. good.
17:46 So what do we do then we find ourselves
17:49 wanting to make these good choices,
17:51 we talked about what causes and addiction,
17:53 what do we do to make the changes
17:56 and then maintain them.
17:57 Well we have a graphic that shows something
18:00 that is surprising to a lot of people on these
18:02 addictions, whether it's a gambling or tobacco
18:07 or whatever. Many people say
18:09 well what if I just you know cut down
18:11 to using it just once a month. It's certainly an
18:14 improvement but the desire is
18:16 being kept alive. And actually may
18:19 even be increased during times and you are not
18:22 using it giving rise to feelings of a deep
18:25 distressing sense of deprivation.
18:27 And so if the addiction is permanently
18:30 abandoned and the thoughts directed toward
18:32 the joy of being free,
18:33 the addiction will soon not be missed.
18:36 And this is something that's important;
18:39 I've had people say well you know
18:40 I'm just a social smoker.
18:42 And they don't realize that they're setting
18:45 themselves up for quite a bit of distress
18:48 in between times.
18:49 So this pathway is maintained by that,
18:51 you know the addicted pathway is
18:53 maintained by that just one time a month.
18:56 That's right. And so the solution to
18:59 anything that's an inductive habit
19:01 is total abstinence for life. For life.
19:03 Shut the door completely.
19:05 That's right. Clean break.
19:07 And it sounds cruel to people that have
19:10 that addictive relationship there but
19:13 I can tell you it's not cruel,
19:15 it is the most sympathetic,
19:18 most compassionate way for that person
19:20 to be able to live a joyful life and once
19:24 they're over that addiction then their
19:27 thoughts are directed towards the joy
19:28 of being free and the addiction
19:30 won't be missed. Early on you've
19:32 said there's an addiction to sugar,
19:34 so they never have sugar their entire life.
19:36 Well for those that,
19:38 that have a heavy sugar addiction,
19:40 there maybe certain foods in it,
19:41 you'll still be able to eat fruit and things
19:43 like that, my father for instance
19:45 had a sugar addiction and he recognized it
19:49 when he was over 200 pounds and was
19:51 starting to suffer a lot of health problems
19:54 and he gave sugar up.
19:55 And it was a four month ordeal
19:57 before it no longer had an appeal to him.
20:01 But if he happened to eat a piece of pie
20:03 my mother would still bake him pies
20:06 but the pies had no sugar in it and
20:08 she baked us pies with sugar.
20:10 The pies happened to get switched,
20:11 he said it's a sickening sweet
20:13 that's not even enjoyable anymore.
20:15 Ice cream was sickening to him,
20:17 I mean now he enjoyed an apple
20:18 as much as he used to enjoying apple pie.
20:20 Because now he was enjoying the natural
20:23 sweetness and really getting a lot of
20:25 enjoyment out of that,
20:26 in fact my uncle used to come up from Texas
20:28 just to watch him eat, he thoroughly enjoyed
20:30 natural food without having to dump sugar on.
20:34 Well that was a powerful thing that
20:35 you saw people, that's right,
20:37 making and then maintaining
20:38 choices exactly. Well you have a
20:41 graphic that helps us understand more
20:45 about long term success. Yes.
20:47 This is a graphic that actually goes
20:52 through the four stages of change
20:54 but this graphic that's on the screen
20:55 we'll deal with it since it's up there.
20:57 This is, if you've been off in addiction
21:01 for a period of time and then you happen
21:03 to relapse back into it one time.
21:06 This is a quote from Ellen White,
21:08 it says "If you have made mistakes,
21:09 you certainly gain a victory
21:11 if you see these mistakes and
21:12 regard them as beacons of warning."
21:14 She goes on to say that,
21:18 "then you can turn defeat into victory,
21:22 disappointing the enemy and honoring
21:24 your Redeemer." So in another words
21:26 don't focus on making these oh I'm gonna fall
21:29 because if you learn from that fall
21:31 you're actually stronger. That's right,
21:32 a lot of people once they fall they thrown
21:34 their talent say I'm never gonna get
21:35 over this, this is just something that
21:37 I'm gonna have to put up with but
21:39 the good news is that they, if they stop and
21:43 analyze what went wrong during that fall.
21:46 It wasn't just one thing and usually it's about
21:49 two or three things, some barriers
21:50 were let down some other things
21:52 and if they set up those barriers
21:54 analyze it right about it,
21:56 they're actually going to be much less
21:57 likely to relapse again. And that's how
22:00 you can turn defeat in the victory,
22:02 meaning that the devil will be not happy
22:06 that he even tempted you to begin
22:08 with because you're that much stronger.
22:10 Okay so in other words like the person
22:12 that says, okay I just had one spoon of
22:14 that ice cream and I failed now,
22:17 so I'm gonna eat the whole gallon.
22:18 This is the, this was the kind of thing
22:22 that can help them say hey no,
22:23 you don't need to do that, that's right,
22:24 that's right, you just need to stop and analyze
22:26 what went wrong. Okay. So you have,
22:29 you have a series of phrases here
22:31 that can help us.
22:32 Yeah the four stages of change. Okay.
22:34 The four stages of change,
22:36 number one is consciously
22:38 incompetent. Okay. And that means,
22:41 I should say unconsciously
22:43 incompetent that means that the
22:44 person is ignorant, they don't know
22:46 that what they're doing is wrong
22:47 and it's harming them.
22:48 And so they seem to be happy
22:49 'cause ignorance is bliss for a while but
22:52 eventually it catches up with them and
22:53 they start having a marked decrease
22:56 in their quality of life due to their habit.
22:58 How they move to consciously incompetent
23:01 is by knowledge.
23:02 The Bible says my people are destroyed
23:04 for a lack of knowledge,
23:05 so it's a very important step,
23:07 good knowledge to move them
23:08 to stage two.
23:09 But they still haven't changed.
23:11 Once they institute the change
23:13 then they go to consciously competent.
23:15 And then once they stay in the
23:17 consciously competent phase,
23:18 for my father it was four months
23:20 with his sugar addiction then he became
23:22 unconsciously competent in other words
23:25 he had no desire for it anymore,
23:27 he was enjoying his new life much better
23:30 than he did his old life and it wasn't
23:33 something he had to try for anymore.
23:35 There wasn't any real effort involved in him.
23:37 So he's actually moved to the place where
23:39 it's just secondhand nature, just second
23:42 nature. When he goes there
23:43 he doesn't struggle with the menu
23:44 over oh this, first is that, right, exactly.
23:47 Anyhow he didn't use the artificial
23:49 sweeteners either, a lot of people never
23:50 get over their sugar addiction
23:52 because they're dumping the artificial
23:53 sweeteners in and of course that just
23:56 fosters their desire for the real thing.
23:58 So with him it did require some effort,
24:01 the consciously in fact you know caffeine
24:03 will be the same way when you
24:04 give up caffeine, when you get thirsty
24:06 you are gonna think of a caffeine drink
24:08 and you're gonna say no, not this,
24:11 drink water. And that process
24:13 of telling your mind no,
24:15 not this but water is gonna have
24:17 to be repeated for several weeks
24:19 until you get to stage four.
24:21 But a lot of people give up in stage three,
24:22 they think they're gonna have to go
24:23 through stage three their entire life,
24:25 and they won't. It's actually much better
24:28 I mean the. Or they think they're gonna
24:30 just being you know striving to enter
24:32 the straight gate, that's right.
24:34 And that striving doesn't last long time
24:38 necessarily, I mean some addictions
24:40 are powerful enough, they can last months.
24:42 But it gets easier as those weeks go by
24:46 and you know the Lord's choices that's
24:49 why the Bible says that thy right hand
24:51 there are pleasures forever more.
24:53 I mean this is a much more happy existence
24:56 to not have something that you know is harmful,
24:59 that you're continuing to do and
25:02 continuing to recognize that to no longer
25:05 having anything that you're habitually doing
25:08 that you know is harmful to you.
25:10 Well let's take an example,
25:11 let's take caffeine and let's goes through those
25:13 stages with that someone what would you do,
25:16 someone comes into your office and you
25:17 realize they're having palpitations,
25:19 they're having all these caffeine induced
25:21 arrhythmia's. Okay, first thing I would
25:24 give them is knowledge about the fact
25:26 that caffeine is doing this to them.
25:27 And tell them the best way is to get off
25:30 of caffeine and we would go through
25:33 the mental exercise that they need to do,
25:35 you know they need to quit buying it,
25:37 they need to have some water around instead,
25:41 water is the best beverage and so
25:43 when they first go to stage three
25:44 when they get thirsty they're gonna say
25:46 no not caffeine, water.
25:48 The next time they get thirsty
25:50 they're not gonna think of water,
25:51 they're gonna think of a caffeine beverage.
25:53 No not caffeine, water. And so this process
25:57 will need to be repeated a couple of
25:59 weeks maybe it doesn't take as long for
26:01 caffeine maybe a month and then pretty soon
26:03 when the individual gets thirsty the
26:05 caffeine drink is even on the mind,
26:07 now the neurons have changed so that
26:09 water is on the mind and the individual
26:11 just habitually goes for water and
26:13 has no desire for the caffeine anymore.
26:17 So back to the first stage again,
26:19 you brought, you brought the other sheet
26:21 or a pamphlet that you give them on caffeine
26:22 or do you just talk about it to them.
26:24 Well, we do have literature that we can
26:26 give them as well. Is this true,
26:28 a woman just asked us about caffeine,
26:30 is it true that when you actually drink
26:31 caffeine it's a diuretic,
26:33 can you lose more flu than you gain
26:34 drinking it? That's true, yeah;
26:36 it's not a good way to hydrate yourself.
26:37 So you don't really even get a benefit
26:39 when you're drinking a drink.
26:40 You're not getting a benefit.
26:42 Those of the kind of things you cover
26:43 with them? That's right yeah.
26:45 and so they see all that and then,
26:46 and you know studies show that if you're
26:48 under the influence of caffeine you're more
26:49 likely to gossip than when you are not
26:51 under the influence of caffeine. Okay.
26:54 That's when you stick to the strict definition
26:57 of gossip of sharing private information
26:59 with someone who is not part of the problem
27:00 or part of the solution to the problem.
27:02 Now these stages they seem very
27:06 logical but you know you're a Christian
27:08 clinician and physician,
27:09 how do you bring the spiritual element
27:11 in as we have this last minute here.
27:13 Well the spiritual element is involved
27:15 in all the stages. You know God is the
27:17 author of truth and so He is the source of
27:21 knowledge. Scientific studies are just
27:24 expressions of that knowledge and so
27:27 God helps to implant the truth
27:29 there for to move to stage two
27:31 and then no one will go to stage three
27:33 unless the spirit of God is working on
27:34 their heart, because these addictions
27:36 are so powerful human beings can't
27:38 neuronally do it themselves,
27:40 they have to be willing but then they
27:42 have to rely on God. We've been talking
27:46 with Dr. Neil Nedley and really the bottom line
27:48 is the power of the Gospel.
27:50 It's what we need to make and maintain
27:54 positive choices. Thanks so much
27:56 for joining us for Health For A Lifetime.
27:58 God Bless You.


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