Participants: Don Mackintosh (Host), Neil Nedley
Series Code: HFAL
Program Code: HFAL000221
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00:03 designed to promote good health and is not 00:05 intended to take the place of 00:06 personalized professional care. 00:09 The opinions and ideas expressed are those 00:11 of the speaker. Viewers are encouraged to draw 00:14 their own conclusions about 00:15 the information presented. 00:50 Hello and welcome to Health For A Lifetime. 00:51 I'm your host Don Mackintosh, we're glad 00:53 you've joined us today, we're gonna be 00:54 talking about heart disease and some good 00:57 news. Even though it's the number one killer 00:59 in the world and very significant here in the 01:01 West, there are some things we can do to 01:03 reverse it. Talking with us today is Dr. Neil 01:06 Nedley, welcome Dr. Nedley. Thank you and 01:08 glad to be here Don. Now, you have some sub 01:11 sub specialties, you're Internal Medicine 01:13 specialist but you see a lot of heart patients. 01:16 That's right Internal Medicine, and lot, 01:18 lot of people don't know what that is but it's 01:20 specializes in adult diseases of the internal 01:23 organs. And so, of course the heart is an 01:26 internal organ, the liver's an internal 01:28 organ, the lungs are internal organ. 01:31 And we're often called in when multiple organs 01:34 are having problems or when somewhat thing 01:38 is going wrong with the patient and no one 01:40 really knows what it is. So, someone who can put 01:42 all these internal organ problems in prospective. 01:47 Okay, so a cardiologist is an internal medicine 01:50 specialist, didn't even look at the heart more. 01:52 That's right, he's going to look at the heart 01:55 really exclusively, okay, and forget some of the 01:58 other aspects of internal medicine. And so, 02:01 that's where I have to referee that sometimes, 02:03 the heart, you know the cardiologist want more 02:05 fluids so that the heart can pump better. And the 02:08 pulmonologist is wanting less fluids so that 02:11 the lungs can dry out and there can be more 02:13 oxygen there. And so, so they go to the referee 02:16 which is you. That's often the case, yeah. 02:19 Okay, we're talking about heart disease and 02:22 first of all how big a problem is it, to 02:25 give us kind of a prospective. And, and 02:28 first of all in the West and then in the world. 02:30 Well, it is the biggest killer in the entire 02:32 world, in the US, one out of, one death is 02:37 occurring every 33 seconds from 02:39 atherosclerosis. Huge numbers of people die 02:43 from this disease, every year about 4, 02:45 every day I should say about 4 Jumbo Jets 02:48 worth, in America, in America. And we know 02:51 enough about this disease to normally prevent 02:54 it, but actually if you have coronary disease. 02:57 The good news is that we now know it can be 03:00 reversed through diet in lifestyle measures. 03:03 Okay, and is it fair to say that this is 03:07 a relatively new disease? No, it's been around 03:10 for a longtime, the Egyptians we're studying 03:13 and they were found to have coronary disease. 03:17 Many Egyptians died from, you know the, 03:19 the reason why Egyptians were studied because 03:21 they made mummies out of them, so they'll go 03:23 look in their arteries and found out there 03:26 indeed many of them died prematurely from 03:28 coronary artery disease, they were eating a lot 03:30 of the same foods that we do. Okay, so I, 03:33 I guess another way to put that question is, 03:35 is it associated with affluent lifestyle? 03:40 It is, we don't see coronary artery disease 03:45 among the rural Chinese for instance, there are 03:48 not very affluent. They can only afford the 03:51 plant, world vegetables, whole plant foods is 03:55 what they tend to eat and they don't have 03:58 coronary artery disease, okay. So, often 04:00 the more affluent you get the greater the risk, 04:04 although fortunately many people effluents 04:06 in this country are wising up to what causes 04:09 it. And so, they're eating a more plant 04:12 based diet to prevent it and a lot of the less 04:14 of affluent people don't have the access to 04:16 this knowledge. And so, they're still eating their 04:19 Twinkies, ice cream and pizza and you know 04:22 chicken and beef and not realizing what 04:25 it's doing to them. Before we get to exactly 04:28 how to reverse it just one of the thing, how 04:30 soon does it start in someone's life, 04:32 this coronary artery disease? Oh it can begin 04:36 in infancy, Dr. Berenson did the Bogalusa Heart 04:40 study in children and he found out that those 04:44 fatty streaks begin infancy in some 04:46 individuals. Particularly those that are consuming 04:49 cow's milk in infancy, but later on 10, 12, 14, 04:53 age 18 you'll see the fatty streaks in the 04:56 order, so atherosclerosis is beginning infancy 04:59 and it just progresses there after. So, really 05:01 it's an issue of parenting, that's right, 05:05 the parents do have a lot of control over what 05:08 their children are eating and what foods 05:10 they enjoy. A lot of times parents will say 05:12 well you know my kids don't enjoy this, well 05:15 the kids enjoy what they're used to, 05:16 culturally we find that around the world, 05:19 that what they're fed in a, at an early age 05:23 is what they tend to develop, relish a taste 05:26 for. And so it's good to be involved in your 05:29 children's diet from the time they are 05:32 in infantness, disease can be completely 05:34 avoided. So, lets, now with that background 05:37 we know that it's something we should 05:38 be watching from age 2 or even before infancy 05:41 onward. And we know that it's afflicting all 05:45 kinds of people, one death every 33 seconds. 05:48 Mental problems that result from having 05:51 strokes and decrease blood flow, anywhere 05:54 there is a blood flow can cause a problem. 05:56 What can we do then to stop it and then 05:59 reverse it? Well, forget cholesterol out 06:02 of the diet, every study that shown reversal 06:04 had extremely low cholesterol in the 06:06 diet or no cholesterol. And so, forget 06:08 cholesterol out of the diet we don't have 06:10 to worry about oxidize cholesterol, we can 06:12 begin to reverse it. If we use polyunsaturated 06:15 fat, foods, whole plant foods, that are low in 06:19 saturated, high in polyunsaturated that 06:21 will lower it. Eating more fiber in the diet 06:24 which also comes from plant foods will lower 06:27 it and then a lot of people are not aware 06:30 that the type of protein that we're eating 06:32 is also important in lowering the 06:34 cholesterol. Dr. Sartori was one of the 06:37 first to discover this in Italy and he took 06:40 people with high cholesterol, he put 06:42 them on a diet that was low in cholesterol, 06:44 low in saturated fat, higher in 06:46 polyunsaturated fat, pretty high in fiber. 06:49 The only difference he did in the two groups 06:52 was he fed one group an animal base protein 06:56 which was casein, which is a cow based protein; 07:00 it's also present in milk. Or he fed them 07:04 a plant based protein which was soy protein 07:07 and we have a graph of his study up on 07:10 the screen. Within three weeks, the one's on 07:13 the vegetable protein an average had lowered 07:15 their cholesterol over 60 milligrams. 07:18 The ones on the animal protein had lowered 07:22 it a little more than 20 and then it was such 07:25 a big difference between the two groups. 07:27 He did a gold standard point, and that is he 07:31 crossed the two groups over just to make 07:33 sure that one group is not more response 07:35 with the diet. And the cross over study show 07:37 those on the animal protein their 07:39 cholesterol went backup, still lower than 07:41 it was to start out with because the other 07:43 aspects of the diet were healthy but now those 07:45 on the vegetable protein their cholesterol went 07:47 down significantly even further to greater 07:50 than a 100 milligrams in just six weeks. 07:52 And so, it's not only the, the no cholesterol 07:57 that's important in bringing the cholesterol 07:59 down, but eating plant based sources of 08:01 protein, in which you can get all 8 of your 08:04 essential amino acids that way. So, when was 08:06 this study done? Dr. Sartori study 08:09 was done in the 80's, in the 80's. And why that 08:12 we haven't heard about this, because I, I, I 08:14 don't often hear about this when I'm 08:16 interviewing, I interview a lot of 08:17 people about heart disease? Well, it, 08:19 it wasn't publicized as much as it should 08:22 have been, there have been subsequent 08:24 studies showing the same thing. Dr. 08:26 Anderson showed this in Kentucky, Dr. 08:29 Sanchez at Loma Linda University 08:31 when he worked there for the School 08:32 of Health showed that very clearly, that 08:35 the animal protein raises cholesterol. 08:37 In fact he was so interested in it 08:39 and he took a look at the types of animal 08:40 foods, to see which one's raises the 08:44 more so. Which one's did, then others, pork 08:47 was high up there on the list and dairy 08:52 and eggs were also, really raised it, yeah. 08:54 Okay, and then he look at which plant foods 08:57 lowered it the most and which one's did. 08:59 And actually Fava bean was the one that came 09:02 out on top as far as its protein component 09:05 in lowering the cholesterol. Fava beans, 09:08 that's right, so when you're cooking and 09:11 you need to get and they always talk about getting 09:12 your protein, which I think probably is over 09:15 sold as well. This is important to remember, 09:18 that's right and legumes are good for you, 09:21 because they're gonna have plenty of protein 09:22 and they're gonna have the right type 09:23 of protein to help lower that cholesterol. 09:25 So, you are what you eat. That's right, 09:28 absolutely, your arteries are made up that way. 09:32 Okay, so looking at the protein anything 09:35 else that we should really be concerned 09:36 about? Well, that's interestingly our, 09:42 our talk today is primarily on the 09:44 elimination of coronary artery disease 09:45 or the reversing of coronary artery disease 09:48 and before we get into the studies on 09:50 reversal, I thought it be good to quote 09:53 Denis Diderot, he was a French philosopher 09:56 in the 18th century. And he said this: 09:58 "Doctors are always working to preserve 10:00 our health and cooks to destroy it, 10:03 but the latter are often the more successful." 10:06 It doesn't need to be that way if we retrain 10:09 the cooks, and anyone who is a cook here 10:12 on this set, I would like you to think about 10:13 how you can get retrained utilizing the 10:17 information that we're giving you. Food 10:19 can still be very tasty and healthy; it just 10:22 requires a good cook to do that. And I think 10:26 that, you know Dr. Neil you've written 10:27 the book called Proof Positive, you've 10:29 written or in the process of writing some other 10:31 books and you have many teaching aids 10:33 on your website www. nedleypublishing.com, 10:36 or www.dr.nedley.com, and, and I think 10:40 that book as I recall has actual recipes in it. 10:44 Yes, well Proof Positive, it primarily talks 10:48 about the constituents of the diet, we do 10:50 have recipes in our depression book that 10:52 helps depression, okay. But, we do 10:55 recommend some recipe books to go along 10:57 with Proof Positive we're doing that. Alright, 10:59 so it's a very practical thing now you, 11:00 does your, does your wife hold cooking schools 11:03 along with you still? Yes, yeah that's, Don, 11:06 we used to do them twice a year without 11:09 fail and did that for 16 or 17 years with the 11:13 four boys that we have and all of the, the 11:17 family things we've had to curtail that some. 11:19 But, yeah she still does it and does a great 11:21 a job. Yes, she's good cook I remember that, 11:24 now let me ask you this, a very practical 11:26 thing someone sitting there at home, they says 11:27 oh! That sounds great I understand 11:29 that but my wife who's the cook in the home 11:33 like certain fruits and likes where they taste 11:36 and refuses to cook differently. Well, 11:39 you know there are people, now you're 11:41 a marriage counselor, what do you do? 11:44 What do you say? What do you do? 11:45 No, we don't recommend divorce over that, 11:48 but we do recommend good solid information 11:51 being presented to that wife, if she could 11:53 realize what she is doing you know. 11:56 If she could you know, if she could actually 11:59 be contributing to the demise of her husband 12:02 with the food that she's cooking and I mean 12:06 does she really, is she that firm in her 12:08 belief, that she just to see her husband 12:12 go to an early demise? I don't think so. 12:14 And so, and if we can cook food that's tasty 12:17 and healthy what's the resistance? Now, 12:20 let me ask you this there's so called mood 12:22 foods, I mean this is kind of an interesting 12:24 question. Are they bad foods associated 12:28 with that alleviation and exaggeration, 12:30 alleviation in mood is that way people are 12:32 kind of addicted to them? Well, to some 12:35 extent yes, but long-term no, actually the, 12:39 the foods that are least healthy actually 12:42 produce a poor mood in the long run. In fact 12:45 will have evidence of this later on in the 12:47 program very interesting study, but short-term 12:50 they can improve dopamine levels and give you 12:52 a little bit of a high. And so that's why some 12:56 people feel addicted to these foods is because 13:00 the dopamine rise it's occurring from a rush of 13:03 sugar for instance, chocolate, with steak, 13:07 steak stimulates the bottom portion of the 13:10 brain, the large molecules do so that it 13:14 can imbalance the brain, decrease frontal 13:16 lobe circulation and improve the hormonal 13:19 circulation around pituitary, that's why 13:21 some man feel stimulated after a steak dinner. 13:24 It's not the right type of stimulation however 13:27 it's just hormonal and it's not frontal lobe 13:29 stimulation. 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There's good news, 15:00 it can, first of all it could have been 15:02 prevented but if you have it, it can 15:04 be reversed and Dr. Nedley has share with us 15:07 a several things, Dr. Nedley we talked about 15:09 protein, talked about how someone is on, 15:12 a diet and their cholesterol is not going 15:14 down to maybe switch from animal sources 15:18 to plant sources protein and they will go 15:20 down more. Yeah, significant difference 15:22 in doing that, and the reason for that is plant 15:25 protein is higher in arginine and lower 15:27 in lysine. Animal protein is the opposite, 15:29 higher in lysine, lower in arginine, it's the 15:32 ratio between those two that Dr. Sanchez 15:34 showed is critically important in lowering 15:37 the cholesterol. And we're gonna come back 15:39 and talk about what that really means with 15:41 the arginine a little bit letter, but you want to 15:43 share some studies with us that really give us 15:45 hope in terms of looking at. We have heart 15:48 disease and we wanna reverse it. Yes, well Dr. 15:52 Ornish was the first one to actually show that 15:55 coronary artery disease could be reversed 15:58 through lifestyle alone. No drugs, 16:02 no medications, no statin lowering drugs 16:05 or any other cholesterol lowering drugs. 16:07 All he did was put people on a low fat 16:10 vegetarian diet and gave them help in 16:13 controlling their stress by attending stress 16:16 seminars and put them on a walking program, 16:20 a brisk walking program, a regular exercise 16:22 program and those three things combined 16:25 produced dramatic results. A year after 16:28 they'd have their angiogram showing 16:30 blocked coronaries. When you say he was 16:32 the first who document that you mean the 16:34 first physician that wasn't Nathan Pritikin 16:36 doing somewhat of the same things. Yes, 16:38 he was, but he never really did but before 16:41 and after angiograms. Okay, and so he 16:44 was the first in the sense of using that 16:46 high-tech documentation, right. What Nathan 16:48 Pritikin showed was that the cholesterols 16:50 will go down, the blood lipids will be 16:53 significantly improved, we've known that for 16:55 quite some time and we thought experientially 16:59 that was happening because they would go to 17:00 a lifestyle center and not be able to walk 17:03 across the room without having chest pain. 17:06 And by the time they're through 19 days later 17:09 they're walking 5 miles with no chest pain 17:11 at all, so something appeared to be happening 17:13 but it's of course an expansive trial to 17:16 do the angiograms in these people before and 17:19 after. And do a randomized controlled 17:21 study which is what Dr. Ornish did. And then 17:24 since that time there's been all those studies 17:26 that have even developed that further. Yes, 17:28 there have been and of course Dr. Ornish 17:31 did a follow up study and then there 17:32 have been other studies that have come out, 17:34 but part of what I wanted to show you as 17:36 well was what happens when people are put 17:39 on The American Heart Association Diet. 17:41 Okay, so this is supposedly supposed to 17:43 help them. That's right; it supposed to help them 17:45 and the original studies on reversal, where done 17:48 with a person being put on the American Heart 17:51 Association Diet. And then the person being 17:54 put on the American Heart Association Diet 17:55 plus a Statin drug or another drug, niacin 18:00 for instance to, niacin's a Vitamin but in high 18:03 doses that acts like a drug, to lower the 18:06 cholesterol levels that way. And it was 18:09 interesting that once we got the cholesterol 18:11 levels down no matter how a reversal tended 18:14 to occur, but the control group they were 18:17 not on these medications it's quite interesting 18:19 to see what happened to their arteries. And I 18:22 think our next slide actually goes into that, 18:24 these were people that actually had very enough 18:28 disease to have bypass surgery and they were 18:30 put on what many people would consider a 18:31 lower fat diet, 25 percent fat and only 18:34 200 and 250 milligrams of cholesterol 18:37 per day in their diet. The average American 18:39 eats closer to 400 milligrams a day, so 18:42 after three years 41 percent of patients 18:45 have progression of their coronary artery disease. 18:48 After 5 years 65 percent had progression 18:51 of their coronary artery disease, so greater 18:54 blockages after 7 years 77 percent had 18:57 progression and after 10 years 85 percent 19:00 of patients had significant progression 19:02 of their coronary artery disease and that's 19:04 why often bypass surgery has to be done 10 19:07 years later. And here these people what's 19:10 confusing to the general public is I thought 19:13 I was taking, eating a diet there was 19:15 supposed to help me. That's really and it's 19:16 healthful, I was scraping the fat off of the 19:19 chicken, I was eating low fat cheese instead 19:22 of regular cheese. I was trying to eat turkey 19:26 and fish and instead of beef every meal, 19:29 those type of changes are just modest changes 19:34 and they only produced very mild results 19:37 if any. And if we really wanna make a 19:40 difference in reversing coronary artery disease, 19:42 we need to make some significant changes 19:45 and of course those significant changes 19:47 can be made and they're being made by 19:49 people all over the country once their 19:51 informed on what this will do to their 19:53 arteries and then they're experiencing the 19:55 benefit. So, you know is this some message 19:59 for everybody around the world someone that's 20:01 starving in Africa, is this a message for them 20:03 or should they eat whatever they can find. 20:06 Well, I mean if you're absolutely starving 20:09 and there's no food around whatsoever it's 20:12 probably better to eat them than to starve 20:13 to death. But most of the people that are 20:17 starving in these countries, plant foods 20:20 there are the most readily available 20:22 because they're cheaper. And so you 20:26 know if they have a choice on what to eat, 20:28 the plant foods are be the better way to go 20:29 in preventing this disease as well as 20:31 reversing it. And I think that, I mean during 20:35 the world ward II isn't that where we begin 20:37 to understand that these things could be reversed 20:39 initially. Right, exactly. Okay, some other studies 20:42 you want to share with us in terms of reversal 20:45 on the good news. Yeah, well this is Dr. 20:46 Ornish's study, the lifestyle heart trial, 20:49 okay, and this was one year difference 20:52 and again notice, low fat are less than 5 20:56 milligrams of cholesterol in the diet. So, 21:00 it was a vegetarian diet and after one year 21:03 24 percent decrease in their total cholesterol, 21:06 37 percent decrease in the bad LDL cholesterol. 21:10 And again the American Heart Association Diet's 21:13 only reduce the LDL about 6 percent. Angiography 21:16 one year later 82 percent regression, that means 21:20 the coronary arteries actually opened up, 21:23 14 percent no change and only 4 percent 21:25 worsened and I should mention those 4 percent 21:28 who worsened weren't compliant with the diet, 21:30 they were in the randomize trial but for 21:32 whatever reason they weren't very compliant 21:34 with the diet. Overall every coronary artery 21:38 disease experienced a 2.2 percent overall 21:41 regression which results in a 9 percent 21:43 increase in blood flow. But the interesting 21:46 thing is the, the greater the blockage the 21:48 greater the benefit. Those that had greater 21:50 than 50 percent blockage: 5.3 percent of 21:54 regression of atherosclerosis and 21:56 that means that 23 percent increase in 21:59 blood flow. Amazing so that just, let me 22:03 just summarize the American heart was 25 22:05 percent fat and this was 10 percent fat, 22:10 that's right. The American Heart 22:12 Association Diet was how much cholesterol? 22:16 200 to 250 milligrams, and this was, 22:18 5 milligrams, that's the big difference, 22:21 that's the big difference. That's 22:22 cutting out the egg yoke. Yeah, and actually 22:24 we have found out since that time, we 22:25 don't need to lower the fat that much as long 22:28 as we're eating the good fats okay. 22:30 Primarily the plant fats for instance almonds, 22:32 walnuts those would have even helped the 22:33 situation further as far as triglyceride levels 22:36 and those type of things. And so it's, 22:39 we can still get that reversal with 20 22:42 to 25 percent fat in the diet as long as 22:45 we're getting that cholesterol way down and 22:48 we're eating the good fats instead of the 22:49 saturated ones. So, the Bible says: 22:51 The life is in the blood when that blood flow 22:53 increases life comes back. That's right, 22:56 the life comes back and it is enhanced 22:59 and prolonged. Now, earlier on you were 23:02 talking about the proteins, you were 23:03 talking about we need to switch from 23:05 animal proteins to plant proteins and 23:08 you said it's because of the ratio of arginine 23:11 to Lysine, Lysine. Yes, and actually the 23:15 interesting thing about the Ornish study 23:17 when these people were randomized 23:18 to the vegetarian group within three weeks 23:24 their chest pain was virtually gone. 23:26 They were having 5 to 6 episodes of 23:29 chest pain per week, that's why they got 23:30 their original angiogram. But three weeks 23:33 later no chest pain and we know reversal 23:35 doesn't occur that quickly as far as those 23:39 plaques are concerned because those plaques 23:40 are calcified, it takes them a while to regress, 23:43 so why is the blood flow increasing without 23:46 reversal? The arginine, and it is the arginine. 23:50 Arginine gets turned into something in the 23:52 body called nitric oxide. Nitric oxide is the same 23:56 thing that nitroglycerin is trying to do, 23:59 nitroglycerin gets turned into that to dilate 24:01 the arteries. Interesting, 24:03 and arginine is a natural nitroglycerin and why 24:06 were they getting so much arginine. He wasn't 24:07 giving it to him as a supplement, 24:09 these are in the plants, they were actually, 24:11 that's right. It was in the plant foods and 24:13 there are foods that are higher in arginine 24:16 than others and that's what I believe our next 24:18 graphic shows us, let's look at that. You can 24:22 see walnuts, black walnuts by the way will 24:24 significantly lower your cholesterol but they're 24:26 also good because they're high in arginine 24:28 23 grams. Kidney beans even higher yet 2.6, 24:32 Garbanzos 3.6, I love those too, Lentils 4.2, 24:38 Soybeans 5.3 and the highest is actually 24:43 pumpkin 6.2, those were be pumpkin seeds 24:47 as what that should say not just the pumpkin. 24:50 That's kind of a big meal, so when you eat 24:53 those things it actually goes into your body 24:55 and stimulates nitric oxide production 24:59 which dilates the vessels, which 25:00 dilates the artery; increase the, right, 25:03 blood flow. Even before reversal occurs, we need 25:05 to understand that the arteries in the body 25:07 are not like lead pipes, you know they're 25:09 muscular organs. And so as we give them 25:13 substances to relax they'll allow more blood 25:15 flow even before the reversal occurs and then 25:18 once we get the reversal long-term, we get 25:20 a 23 percent blood flow even without that 25:23 dilatation. Now, there's other benefits 25:25 emotionally that the Ornish study showed 25:27 and I think you wanna summarize those. Well, 25:30 yeah, actually what had happened was that 25:32 the ethesis, before Ornish did his study 25:35 the ethesis said you've got to measure the 25:38 mental health of these patients. And he says 25:41 why do I need to do that and he says 25:43 because if you switch them over to a low fat 25:45 vegetarian diet. Yes, you may end up showing 25:48 that their arteries are improved, but their 25:50 depression might significantly increase. 25:53 And he said what you thinking about and he 25:54 said well it's just gonna altar, their lives, 25:57 their lives significantly, they'll 25:59 not be able to eat at the same restaurants. 26:00 It's gonna altar maybe their home life, maybe 26:02 some of their social environment and you 26:04 might totally disrupt that and suicides might 26:07 even go up. And significant depression, 26:10 so we mandate from that an ethical standpoint, 26:13 that you, not measure that, monitor their 26:16 physiological finding. So, what happened? Well 26:18 he said fine, we'll go ahead and do that and 26:21 so at the beginning of the study and we have 26:24 a graphic on this. At the beginning of the study 26:26 the ones that were randomized for the 26:28 vegetarian group, before they became vegetarian 26:30 their score was 27, the higher the score the 26:33 worse and that score is measuring not only 26:35 depression, but the lack of ability to experience 26:38 pleasure, insomnia, and insomnia, mental health 26:44 in general. One year later their score 26:46 significantly improved in 19 and it's true some 26:49 of their social networks were disrupted and 26:51 some of their family life was disrupted, but their 26:53 mental health significantly improved. 26:55 The blue ones are the control group, those 26:57 were the ones randomize to the American Heart 26:59 Association Diet; they got worse, 23.9 as their 27:03 control and then one year later 24.1. So, 27:06 slightly worse, pretty much the same and so 27:09 this study goes along with other studies 27:11 showing that instead of a vegetarian 27:13 diet increasing your anxiety, and increasing 27:16 your depression, it's actually gonna help it 27:18 out significantly and these peoples pleasure 27:21 rating actually went up. They were experiencing 27:24 a much more satisfied life with their 27:27 vegetarian lifestyle and the word needs to go 27:29 out on that. It really does, so reversing 27:32 heart disease is not just a physical, think you 27:34 been an emotional thing, that's right. People can 27:36 go from being depressed to delighted if they do 27:39 this, that's right. Absolutely. Well, 27:41 thank you so much Dr. Nedley for being 27:43 with us, thank you for being with us. If you 27:45 like more information go to 27:46 www.nedley publishing.com and 27:50 we're glad that you've joined us today. 27:51 And we hope that as a result you have 27:54 health that will last not just for 27:56 now but for an entire lifetime. |
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