Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. John Clark, Jenifer Skues
Series Code: HL
Program Code: HL000004A
00:15 Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
00:16 I'm your host Margot Marshall.
00:18 As we get older, is it inevitable to get osteoporosis,
00:23 porous, fragile bones that break easily?
00:27 Or can we make them stronger?
00:29 Stay tuned for the answer.
01:07 With me in the studio today, I have Dr. John Clark,
01:10 and Jenifer Skues who is a health psychologist.
01:13 Welcome Jenifer (thank you),
01:15 and welcome John (thank you), to the program.
01:17 We're looking forward to what you can tell us about
01:19 this disease which is something we really don't want to get,
01:22 and if you can tell us how that happens,
01:24 that would be really good!
01:26 And John, you have a story about someone who did have
01:30 really bad osteoporosis and was
01:32 able to turn that disease around.
01:35 We're very keen to hear how she did that.
01:38 Yes, and osteoporosis is a serious problem...
01:42 You might think... "Hmm, well I've got thin bones."
01:44 But one-third of patients who
01:47 break a hip, die during the following year.
01:51 That's a high death rate for breaking
01:53 a hip from osteoporosis.
01:55 You wouldn't imagine that, would you, from a broken bone?
01:58 No, just from a broken bone and it's sort of like the bones are
02:01 a barometer for the health of the whole body. Ohh.
02:05 If your bones are poor, maybe your other health is poor,
02:07 and you break a bone and you lay in bed - and laying in bed
02:10 is not good!
02:12 You start having things like heart disease, heart attacks,
02:16 congestive heart failure, lung disease, blood clots.
02:20 All kinds of things can happen
02:21 if you're laying in bed from a broken bone.
02:25 So I was out on tour in the United States;
02:28 I used to tour in the United States doing lectures on health,
02:30 how people could recover from these diseases,
02:33 and a lady came to my osteoporosis lecture who was
02:37 limping and I said, "Well why are you limping?"
02:41 She said, "Well 4 weeks ago I was in a bad accident,
02:45 and I broke my hip."
02:48 And then she told me all about her bones which was
02:50 fascinating to me.
02:52 When she was 25, she was working for the sheriff's
02:55 department - that's like a police department. Um hm.
02:58 And it was a very active job, but she was having bone pain
03:03 at night.
03:04 So she went to her primary doctor and he checked
03:08 her over and then he scanned her bones and discovered
03:11 she had eggshell-thin bones.
03:15 That's sounds really advanced osteoporosis.
03:19 The total foundation was structurally not sound.
03:23 She was about to fall apart! Laughing...
03:25 Why do we laugh?
03:30 But we laugh because we know there's a fix here coming up,
03:33 and she was wondering why she had this bone pain.
03:38 Well her bones were so thin that they were
03:40 probably microfracturing. Ohh. Wow.
03:42 Just hurting!
03:43 And so the doctor offered to give her some drugs
03:47 that he felt would be the answer to her thin bones,
03:51 and she thought, "You know, here I am only 25,
03:54 most older people are on drugs, but most younger people aren't,
03:58 and I'm not really ready to start taking drugs,
04:01 and so I'd like to go home and just, you know,
04:04 take care of this myself."
04:05 And so she turned down the drug, went home,
04:08 but she sort of had an inkling in her mind
04:11 what she should do. Okay.
04:12 You know, a lot of people realize there is a better way,
04:15 and most people know that there's a healthier way
04:18 than what they're involved in.
04:20 Isn't that interesting? Yes.
04:22 It's almost like inherently we know that there's
04:25 better ways of doing things.
04:27 We have insight, we just don't always act on it.
04:29 Yeah, why is that?
04:32 Part of it is, I think the way we're conditioned,
04:34 habitual, we don't trust ourselves, so we don't
04:37 really listen to ourselves and we discount things
04:41 even though we know what the reality is.
04:44 And maybe our tastes drive us to other theories?
04:48 Aww, do you really think so? Laughter.
04:50 Do you think that might sometimes play a role?
04:52 Aww yes, I think you might be right.
04:54 We develop an appetite for something that
04:56 may not be on the healthiest list.
04:59 Well, she went home and she was a Christian, she prayed.
05:03 She said, "Lord, I know You said in the Bible,
05:06 in Exodus 15:26, that "If thou will diligently hearken
05:11 unto the voice of the Lord thy God and do that which is
05:13 right in His sight, that He will put none of these diseases
05:17 upon you which He has brought upon the Egyptians,
05:20 but that He is your God and He will heal you."
05:24 And it's interesting that the Egyptians did have osteoporosis.
05:27 Really? Among other things, yeah.
05:30 And so she said, "Lord, I'm going to switch to a total
05:34 plant-based vegetarian diet like what You put Adam on."
05:38 We're talking fresh fruits, fresh vegetables,
05:41 nuts and seeds and she promised to do that if the Lord would
05:45 fulfill His promise to heal her disease.
05:48 And so, she said, within two weeks the bone pain
05:53 she had had was totally gone!
05:55 Goodness, just two weeks!
05:56 How long had she had it, do you think?
05:58 Did she say how long she had the bone pain?
06:01 She didn't really say but...
06:03 Must have been bad or she...
06:05 Oh, this was serious. Painful.
06:07 Bone pain and you might wonder, "Okay is that really possible,
06:11 would the studies show that?"
06:12 And in fact, medical studies looking at bone structure
06:16 and seeing somebody who switched from an
06:18 animal-protein-based diet to vegetable-protein-based diet,
06:22 can document new bone growth within 6 weeks!
06:25 Six weeks? Six weeks!
06:27 And that's the documented thing?
06:28 Under the microscope. Oh, under the microscope!
06:31 So that's very convincing isn't it?
06:34 So her pain going away in two weeks is
06:36 very realistic to what was actually happening in writing.
06:39 It shows that that's why it's good to have that research.
06:42 Yes, very good to know why this is happening
06:45 and what's going on.
06:47 And so here she was, I'm seeing her in her 50s,
06:50 and she came to my meeting, she says she has been in
06:54 an accident and she had a broken hip.
06:56 And she went to surgery for this hip, they "pinned it,"
07:01 put some bolts and screws in it and she said when the
07:04 surgeon came out of surgery and came and talked to her,
07:08 that he said, "Wow, you had the hardest, strongest bones
07:12 I've worked on in a long time!"
07:14 Isn't that interesting! Amazing.
07:16 From fragile, paper-thin to rock solid literally.
07:20 Literally rock solid!
07:22 And this hip didn't break just from a very minor thing,
07:25 it was actually a traffic accident which would have
07:27 broken... Took a lot to brake it.
07:29 Big accident, big trauma and she broke the hip.
07:32 And if she still had the thin bones, she would have had
07:35 more than just the hip fracture. Oh yes!
07:36 She would have had major bone damage!
07:38 So it just showed how bones need to be
07:41 solid for that protection. Yes!
07:42 Isn't that encouraging to think that something like that
07:46 can actually be reversed.
07:47 It would be interesting to know how long it actually took
07:49 to fully reverse it.
07:51 And Jeni, are there things besides a bad diet
07:55 and so on that contribute?
07:57 A huge factor is stress related and when we have stress,
08:01 it actually can leach calcium from the bones.
08:03 So other than like meat proteins and that, you add the stress
08:06 in and then you're not digesting properly, so you're not
08:09 absorbing the nutrients.
08:10 So that means her bones keep getting depleted.
08:13 And a major factor with stress is the loss of magnesium,
08:16 and magnesium - every cell needs it.
08:19 It helps put calcium in the bones;
08:22 it relaxes the nerves and the muscles.
08:24 If you don't' have enough, you get a lot of cramping.
08:26 It also helps to pick up the brain function,
08:29 and neurotransmitters, particularly your serotonin
08:32 factor, so it improves mood; it helps people
08:34 stay not depressed.
08:36 And interestingly, they have found in research that people
08:40 who have osteoporosis get depressed. Oh.
08:43 And then they're more likely to have a fall, you see,
08:45 so this is where, when you have a look at the stress factor,
08:48 so a lot of what I do as a health psychologist is
08:50 teach people how to manage their life.
08:53 And it is individual because her situation was individual. Sure.
08:56 And I've also looked at nutritional medicine
08:59 for mental health, so this is where, with John, I use a lot of
09:02 looking at nutrients and one of the best ones
09:05 I've found for magnesium comes from the sea.
09:08 If someone is that depleted and they're not absorbing it from
09:11 a food that if they use, it's called "magnesium
09:15 chloride oil," and there's a lot of brilliant research
09:17 now that sings its praises and says it's the best way
09:20 to get it, but you put it on the skin! Okay.
09:22 So it goes straight into the cells and 100% is absorbed.
09:26 If you take it in tablet form, only about 30% is absorbed,
09:29 and that's what, again, research is showing us.
09:31 That's very helpful... Absolutely!
09:33 And you can put it directly on the affected bone areas,
09:36 you see; also if you don't have enough magnesium
09:40 and the calcium isn't going into the bones, you've got
09:42 calcium in your system, it can crystallize and go to the
09:45 joints and cause arthritis. Ohh.
09:46 Yes, so you can see how one major player in our system
09:51 that, (1) She's not having the nutrition to get the
09:53 magnesium and then stress leaches it is a huge factor
09:57 because it helps with calcium. Yes.
09:59 So you can see how correcting one thing.
10:02 So she would have, by changing her diet and doing that,
10:05 she would have got a lot more magnesium in her system,
10:07 probably calcium and it was going where it needed to go.
10:10 So an optimum diet can correct it but a lot of people
10:14 don't do the dietary change. Yeah.
10:17 John, you mentioned about her going on to a totally
10:20 plant-based diet - were there any specifics within
10:24 that diet that she perhaps made sure she included?
10:28 Yeah, her word she used to describe her new diet was
10:32 "vegan," which means she totally avoided any animal products.
10:37 Prior to this, she had been eating cheeseburgers and
10:39 drinking sodas, French fries and the like, the regular junk food
10:43 that we think of.
10:45 And so her changes were to totally get off of any
10:48 dairy products.
10:49 Now that's a very curious one and I can just imagine
10:53 that people tuning into this program will be thinking,
10:58 "Oh come on, this just doesn't make a lot of sense
11:01 because we're given to understand that milk is,
11:04 you know, being the highest calcium source is going
11:07 to be the thing that will build strong bones."
11:10 So it didn't do it for her and now you're saying when she
11:14 went on to a total plant diet, her bones increased
11:19 to a remarkable degree.
11:21 So how does that work? Yes.
11:24 Yeah, you know when I went to switch to a similar diet
11:28 of becoming a total plant-based vegetarian or vegan,
11:32 my grandmother who had run a dairy was just sure that
11:35 my teeth were going to go bad and my bones
11:37 were going to go bad, yeah, she was shocked!
11:40 Which was interesting because a lot of this is sort of like
11:45 tradition - people believed this for generations!
11:49 And I met a young lady who had been raised on a total
11:53 vegetarian diet, a vegan diet.
11:56 And when she was in college, the college was doing a
11:59 research project on bone strength and they scanned
12:03 everybody's bones and when they checked her bones,
12:06 she had the strongest, hardest bones of
12:08 anybody in the college. Interesting!
12:10 And it was pretty fascinating for sure.
12:13 Well it's a great testimony to the value of what you eat
12:16 and what you put in your system.
12:18 And I've found when you eat properly because
12:20 I had osteoporosis diagnosed and I did lots of things,
12:25 but stress was my biggest factor.
12:27 So I've managed my stress level now - this was
12:28 quite a few years ago but I did improve my diet,
12:31 more exercise like weight bearing exercise and I know
12:35 I don't have that now, but that's been treated.
12:38 But it's a huge component to have that diet, it's crucial.
12:42 Yeah, and it's amazing how much difference it makes just by
12:45 shifting the focus of the food you eat.
12:48 Jeni, you're saying that you had a really good healthy
12:51 diet like John, just by being...
12:54 Well I improved my diet. Yes.
12:56 Yeah, I mean I was having a reasonable diet but when I
12:58 started to explore what treats osteoporosis and found
13:02 like dairy products - well, get rid of the dairy products!
13:05 There were things I was having that I considered healthy,
13:08 and I was eating a lot healthier than more people. Yes.
13:11 And then, like you said, get on to a vegan diet,
13:13 so in my research, I found the same thing.
13:16 That was quite a while ago. Interesting.
13:18 So you both researched this out and you separately
13:20 came to the same conclusion.
13:22 But you believe that stress was probably the biggest...
13:25 Stress was my biggest problem.
13:26 Yeah and that was with more events in my life,
13:29 work environment, there are lots of stressors
13:31 which are common to a lot of people.
13:33 That's right, I don't...
13:34 I think they say, "If you haven't got any stressors,
13:37 it's because you're in a box." Laughter.
13:39 In a coffin. You know, in the coffin.
13:40 And so we do all have to have some amount of stress.
13:42 It's getting the good stress, not the bad stress.
13:45 So a lot of what I do is train people to recognize
13:48 their stress levels because this is
13:50 that mind-body connection.
13:51 And how do you do that Jeni?
13:53 How do you get them to recognize this...
13:55 Well I'm working with the way the brain thinks,
13:57 their beliefs and their attitudes create a
13:59 lot of stress and that's what you were saying like her
14:01 belief around certain things once it was challenged
14:03 When she realized it was a wrong belief around eating
14:05 certain foods, then she changed it.
14:08 So people, if they have not told what their belief
14:10 system is doing or if it's incorrect, then you know,
14:12 they won't do it and someone who has a very black and white
14:15 belief system, it's either this or that, it's going to have a
14:17 lot more stress than someone who can step back and
14:20 observe and go, "That's okay, we can manage this," you see.
14:24 So you're saying that you explain to them - like we've
14:28 just had an explanation that this works.
14:31 But what about the motivation part?
14:34 Well, I help people get motivated because
14:37 when you have something like osteoporosis,
14:40 as I said, you get depressed.
14:41 When you're depressed, you're not motivated;
14:43 you don't want to do anything.
14:45 So it's not about feeling
14:46 motivated because you'll never do it.
14:48 So what I get people to do is to pick a small simple goal
14:51 that they can action because action creates motivation.
14:55 But this is where helping them psychologically to not
14:58 overstep the mark and see one small step
15:01 is better than no steps. Right.
15:03 Because once they do that one, they get momentum,
15:05 then we add on and we build the program. Alright.
15:08 But also is the huge component with the
15:09 physiology with stress, you see and so I help
15:13 people to recognize their stress markers and what
15:16 are they doing... like the sweaty palms or the heart.
15:18 Well now you can't even talk about that one.
15:21 The heart rate up and doing all of that because
15:24 once they realize and they start to see the subtler
15:26 signs of stress, they manage it earlier. Alright.
15:29 We might just come back to that.
15:31 But one thing I don't want to miss including John,
15:35 did this lady have much support?
15:38 I mean she made some significant changes, you know,
15:42 and we haven't even talked about them or we've
15:43 talked about, to some extent, the diet and I think there's
15:46 some exercise that comes in there too.
15:48 But let's just talk about - did she have some support
15:51 to make significant changes to actually
15:53 achieve what she achieved?
15:55 No, in fact her husband was sort of like... "Where's the beef?"
15:59 "You know, I don't want to quit eating meat."
16:01 And he sort of gave her a hard
16:03 time about her new dietary changes.
16:06 That's often a conflict I come across with clients. Yes.
16:09 One wants to make a positive change like that,
16:11 but the family doesn't; therefore, they give up.
16:13 And I think it's important that we sort of talk about
16:17 this because I'm sure that people tuning in would find
16:21 themselves in the situation that this young woman did
16:24 where she had to pretty much
16:26 be strong enough to do it on her own.
16:28 And so, it's encouraging to think that it can be done
16:31 certainly a whole lot better if you've got some support.
16:36 It's a huge marker for long-term success but she did it.
16:40 She did it - still having her husband there wanting
16:44 to eat differently and to know that having to do
16:47 two different things and that's hard!
16:49 And you know that the smell in your nostrils of foods that
16:51 you've eaten and enjoyed, and yet she was able to do that.
16:55 So it can be done, you need to have a
16:57 few more things going for you.
16:59 What else actually did you... or what did she do?
17:02 Which she actually initiated this all by herself, didn't she?
17:05 Just from information that she knew. Yeah.
17:07 So she changed her diet and what else?
17:10 She sure did and we might explore the diet a little more.
17:13 People wonder why are animal products a problem
17:16 versus vegetable protein.
17:18 And you see here's the thing, when people eat foods
17:21 that create more acid in the body, it takes calcium from
17:26 the bones to counteract that acid.
17:29 It's like taking a "Tums" which is a calcium pill.
17:32 It's very popular for an acid stomach.
17:36 Well, if they eat food that turns to acid in their blood,
17:39 then it's going to take calcium from the bones to make that
17:43 so it doesn't get too acid for your blood...
17:45 And so dairy products and animal protein, like from beef,
17:49 are going to cause lots of acid.
17:51 The other thing she quit using was brown sodas,
17:55 the sodas with caffeine. Okay.
17:57 Which usually have phosphoric acid in them.
18:00 And the phosphoric acid, in studies when people start
18:04 drinking phosphoric acid pop, (I won't name the brands),
18:07 but the brown sodas, they start peeing out calcium right away.
18:14 And then the other thing she definitely did was she did
18:17 take up an exercise program.
18:18 If you load the bones, they develop stronger and they
18:23 actually make electricity and attract the calcium to them.
18:26 Ohh, excellent!
18:29 So she got into an exercise program and she did
18:31 all of these - she just initiated it and carried it out.
18:34 And what did she have in place of the sodas, the soft drinks?
18:39 Well I'm sure she drank a lot of water - I didn't really ask her.
18:42 Didn't even ask her that, yes, that's good.
18:44 Come back to the stress factor because you're talking about
18:46 acid in the system and stress produces a lot of acid
18:50 in the stomach - the moment we get stress, the stomach
18:53 excretes a lot more hydrochloric acid.
18:55 And this becomes a problem because everything
18:57 you put in your stomach, at that point, is going to become
19:00 totally acidic and you don't absorb nutrients
19:02 and it won't digest.
19:03 So we're getting an acidic problem with the foods
19:07 and the stress factor is another one. Yeah.
19:10 And that means acid foods, acid stomach - you can see
19:14 why illness can just take over. Yes.
19:17 It's just interesting and this might really come as a
19:21 big surprise to some people tuning in,
19:23 but "The Australian Guide to Healthy Eating," which is put
19:26 out by the government for this country, at first glance
19:30 you would not think this, but actually it's user-friendly
19:34 for people on a totally plant-based diet.
19:37 And when you look at it at first glance,
19:38 it wouldn't strike you that way but when you look at it
19:40 more closely, more than half of it is exclusively
19:45 plant foods - that's the grain products,
19:47 the fruits and the vegetables.
19:48 That covers more than half of the plate model.
19:51 Then you come to the part where you've got meats
19:53 and fish and chicken and eggs and things like that,
19:55 but there's nuts and there's legumes in there as options,
19:59 and then you come to the dairy section and there's soy milks
20:03 and things that are included in there and they would be
20:05 fortified with calcium.
20:07 So it's user friendly and just in case anyone out there
20:10 is thinking, "Oh, what you're talking about
20:12 it's just diametrically opposed to what we've been taught."
20:17 No actually it's made provision for.
20:19 And even the "World Health Organization," I was looking
20:22 up there just a night or so ago and they're talking about
20:26 tips for an option on diet and they said, "More fruits,
20:29 vegetables, legumes, grains and nuts."
20:35 And that's what they want us to be having more of.
20:39 So just thought I'd mention that and you've probably
20:42 come across studies that have affirmed
20:44 what you're talking about here John.
20:46 Oh absolutely and the studies show that if you go on
20:49 a more vegetarian diet, then you end up with better bones.
20:52 In fact, like we said, it can happen within 6 weeks.
20:56 And they can show a difference.
20:57 That's very encouraging, that's not a long time, is it...
21:01 to actually start to turn around a problem.
21:03 This happens the moment you change, your whole
21:05 cellular structure.
21:07 And then if you work on the stress levels again,
21:10 and one of the things that helps stress is exercise which
21:12 you mentioned because when you exercise, and walking is
21:15 one of the best exercises.
21:17 It actually helps to dissipate the adrenalin and cortisol
21:20 buildup in the system and get the body to eliminate it. Yes.
21:24 Because stress produces too much cortisol and adrenalin,
21:27 it's an inflammatory factor and it causes toxins and acids
21:31 particularly it inflames the brain.
21:32 Oh, it affects everything doesn't it? Oh it does!
21:35 But every cell of our body, I think they say
21:38 "Exercise is the law of our being."
21:40 We're a total package.
21:41 It's not just the brain or our body.
21:44 Now you mentioned that this young woman was
21:47 a Christian and I'm imaging - I guess they can only imagine,
21:51 but she really prayed about what she was going to do,
21:54 and no doubt she drew on her spiritual resources
21:57 to be able to see her through.
22:00 What wouldn't ought to have been a short program,
22:03 and I guess that was one that she, you know,
22:04 implemented and maintained, so that would be a huge help.
22:09 That's right and so it actually brought her back to church,
22:14 this was a very difficult problem and her church group
22:16 was very supportive of her dietary changes.
22:19 So she did have... yes.
22:20 And that's something I'd just like to say to people tuning in.
22:23 If you don't have already a support network, seek one
22:28 because they're there and it would be hugely beneficial.
22:32 Professional people can become part of that support,
22:35 that's what I do. Yes.
22:36 We get to know the client and you work with them,
22:39 and they feel very supported and that's a huge component,
22:42 like the same with your work.
22:44 People would feel very supported by what you're doing,
22:46 so that's part of the support system.
22:48 This exercise, John, that would be outdoors, I would take it.
22:55 Outdoors is best, out in the sunlight
22:58 because you want to get your vitamin D. Yes!
23:00 Helps bones! What's that?
23:02 Vitamin D helps bones.
23:05 Bones and it helps mental health.
23:09 And you want to have weight bearing exercises
23:13 which means that your bones are getting loaded.
23:16 This is very interesting when they send somebody up
23:18 into outer space - within a few days they start losing
23:23 calcium from their bones from no
23:24 activity and no weight bearing.
23:26 That's incredible, say it again. How long?
23:28 Within a few days. A few days!
23:30 They'll start losing bone mass.
23:32 And they've developed programs to get them to exercise
23:34 in when they are outer space.
23:36 To stress their bones and keep the calcium in
23:38 their bones, that's correct.
23:39 I'm intrigued actually that this young woman
23:43 had osteoporosis in her mid 20s and had it so badly.
23:48 That's scary really, I would not have expected that
23:52 that would happen - you kind of associate it with being older,
23:55 but not necessarily so.
23:57 Yes and it was definitely her diet.
24:00 I mean, you look at cheeseburgers - the cheese
24:02 itself is the most acid-forming food
24:04 you can put in your mouth. Is that right?
24:06 And it will make huge amounts of acid so your body
24:09 has to buffer it with calcium.
24:11 And then, of course, there's the refined grains and the
24:15 white buns that go with these hamburgers.
24:17 Refined grains make acid.
24:19 The things that don't make acid actually make alkali
24:22 are fresh fruits, fresh vegetables, nuts and seeds
24:27 and beans.
24:28 And some very good sources of calcium - what would you
24:31 be suggesting there?
24:33 Yeah, where are you going to get your calcium if you
24:34 don't drink milk? Laughter...
24:36 Could be a question my grandmother
24:37 might have asked me. Well yes.
24:39 Some of the highest things are your green leafy vegetables.
24:41 That's what cows have, isn't it?
24:43 Green leafy? Well low and behold,
24:45 you know, where do the cows get calcium?
24:47 See a lot of the foods we talk about, like nuts and seeds,
24:50 and that have high magnesium levels.
24:52 So when you eat the right diet, you're not just getting
24:54 calcium, you're getting the magnesium to transport
24:57 the calcium into the bones because that's what
24:58 magnesium does. That's right.
25:00 And there's a whole range of nutrients that make us well
25:03 and including in the bones, it's not just...
25:06 And I think this is where we need to get away from
25:08 a single nutrient and just think whole foods
25:12 because they're packaged in a remarkable way
25:15 and when we interfere with that,
25:17 it's a little bit like having maybe a football team
25:20 sending part of the team on to the field and pulling them
25:24 off and then the others have to...
25:25 It's just not going to happen, it is a team effort.
25:27 It is but we have to see the body as that team. That's right!
25:31 And work with the team and do everything we can to
25:34 get it working together.
25:35 Put foods as a whole food and our bodies as a whole people;
25:40 mental, physical, spiritual, social - because they all
25:43 blend in together.
25:45 They all connect and they all support each other.
25:46 And impact on each other for better or for worse.
25:49 It's like you were saying, what's going on in your mind
25:51 with stress is affecting every cell of your body
25:54 and the other way around.
25:56 I read somewhere once, someone said, "We don't just
25:58 have a mind, we ARE a mind!"
26:01 Because whatever is going on in the body is going
26:03 to affect the mind which, in turn, dictates to the body
26:06 because it's our master.
26:07 This is why we need a healthy nervous system which is
26:09 the telegraph system for the brain to the body,
26:11 and the body to the brain. Yes.
26:13 And again, if you have like magnesium and calcium,
26:15 that fortifies the nervous system
26:17 so you can see how important it is. Yes.
26:20 And I just think it's, something you said there
26:25 I just figured a thought then and it's just escaped me.
26:28 Laughter... no jokes about senior's moments.
26:34 Well the calcium thing, you know, we're thinking about it
26:36 as a supplement - actually people taking calcium
26:39 supplements end up with more heart disease cause the
26:42 calcium goes to plaque in the heart. It's dangerous.
26:45 You're much better off eating a food with everything balanced
26:48 with the magnesium and the calcium and the zinc,
26:50 and the copper and so forth, so that the body can
26:52 sort out how much it needs of each one
26:55 and can put it in the right place.
26:56 Yes, as long as we stop messing around with food
26:58 and pulling out this and that, we don't really,
27:01 really know what we're doing.
27:02 I think of it's only maybe 3 or 4 decades ago
27:05 they even found out about phytochemicals that are in
27:08 plant foods exclusively.
27:10 "Phyto" means plants and they work together,
27:13 and we still don't even know how many there are,
27:15 there's thousands and we don't know how they work together.
27:19 We just know eat them, eat food.
27:21 We are created in an amazing way. We are.
27:24 And when you have a look at it, it's just incredible,
27:25 and there's so much we don't know about our system. Yes.
27:28 So it is, it's just been a wonderful thing.
27:30 Well thank you for all of that, it's just been a really good
27:34 exploration of this disease which can be fatal
27:38 or can cause us to die early and can just impact on the
27:44 quality of our lives and such simple solutions!
27:47 Eating very simple lovely plant foods and they are
27:52 really enjoyable too.
27:54 And so that's all we really have time for today,
27:59 but you probably have questions about this.
28:01 Maybe you've got questions about other things,
28:04 other health concerns that you have and if so,
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28:26 "Today is the first day of the rest of your life."
28:29 God bless you.