Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. John Clark, Jenifer Skues
Series Code: HL
Program Code: HL000005A
00:14 Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
00:16 I'm your host Margot Marshall.
00:18 Today's topic is cancer, is there hope?
00:22 Even if it's stage IV (4) cancer?
00:24 Stay tuned as we discuss powerful foods that
00:27 can help you fight back.
01:04 With me in the studio today is health psychologist,
01:08 Jenifer Skues and Dr. John Clark.
01:11 Welcome Jenifer, welcome John and really
01:14 lovely to have you on the program and this is a
01:16 very, very sensitive subject.
01:20 This disease of cancer is one that I think it strikes
01:23 fear into us possibly more than any other.
01:25 And so this topic we really, really are looking forward
01:29 to what you have to say because we need to know
01:33 how to fight back when this thing comes.
01:35 So John, would you like to just talk to us
01:37 a little bit about that?
01:39 Yes, Bob, a friend of mine, was having trouble with
01:43 his bowels - they weren't working right.
01:46 He was like having symptoms that were a problem,
01:51 and we were sure that he was,
01:53 you know, going to be in trouble.
01:55 He went to the hospital, got some tests done,
01:57 and low and behold, he had colon cancer!
02:00 Well he didn't know what he should do and the hospital
02:04 ran him through the usual ropes of chemotherapy
02:07 and radiation and surgery.
02:10 And then they sent him home and said, "Okay, you're fixed!"
02:15 But in four months, things weren't going right again;
02:18 he went back to the hospital and the surgeon looked at him
02:23 and said, "Well you probably have some blockages because
02:27 chemotherapy makes strictures in your colon,
02:29 and we're going to have to go back in,
02:30 so let's take you back to surgery."
02:32 Took him back to surgery, opened him up
02:35 and he was totally full of cancer! Ooo!
02:40 They closed him up and said, "There's nothing more
02:42 we can do - we'll just send you home."
02:45 And then the surgeon said a funny thing...
02:46 He says, "Well if I was you, I'd probably at this point,
02:49 find somebody that would do something natural for you."
02:52 Well Bob was a bit taken back, "Well what do you mean,
02:56 what are you saying?"
02:58 "Well I'd find somebody that might do this, you know,
03:01 take a natural approach to this."
03:03 He said, "Well where would I go to find this."
03:05 He said, "I don't know but just, you know, look
03:06 around, you'll probably find something."
03:09 So he did and went on life's mission to find somebody
03:12 that would take a natural approach, nutritional approach
03:15 and he found somebody!
03:17 And so he went to this place and they gave him all
03:20 fresh fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds.
03:23 They put him on some cleansing programs;
03:26 they gave him some herbs, his cancer went away!
03:30 Can we make that "herbs," we're in Australia now John.
03:32 Laughter... That's fine, I was just joking!
03:37 In America, "Herb" is the name of a guy! Laughter.
03:42 We have them too.
03:44 And so I gave him some herbs and his cancer went away.
03:49 And so he went back home, he thought, "Well, how can I
03:52 keep this to myself?"
03:54 He added 5 more bedrooms onto his house and started
03:58 bringing people in and he'd teach them how to
04:01 fix food - they'd all go to the kitchen.
04:03 He had a big kitchen with a big counter space,
04:06 and a place for everybody to
04:07 prepare their fruits and vegetables.
04:09 He taught them how to do herbs.
04:11 He started his own herb distribution company basically.
04:16 And he had them doing cleanses
04:19 and so he shared what he had learned.
04:22 That's incredible!
04:23 He'd basically been sent home to die... (Absolutely)
04:26 Because they said, "There's nothing that we can do."
04:29 And yet he was able to turn that around.
04:32 And you would, you'd feel like telling other people
04:35 and helping other people when you'd just come back
04:37 basically from the brink of the grave, wouldn't you? Yes!
04:41 And what a lovely thing that he did to do that and just
04:44 not keep it all to himself.
04:46 It's very sad that many people do die at that point
04:49 because they don't believe there's anything else
04:52 that can be done, yeah, and we're just showing here
04:55 that it's never too late and I think that's important
04:59 for people never to give up and to look beyond what may be
05:02 more conventional treatments which can help
05:05 some and if it doesn't, then there is a way,
05:07 and this is a good example of that!
05:09 And I might just say, prior to coming to Australia,
05:13 I was working at a health facility where we took in
05:17 cancer patients.
05:18 The large majority of our patients were cancer,
05:21 and we would see them turn around.
05:23 A lot of them had the same story - totally given up on
05:28 by the general system, fourth stage.
05:30 I remember one gentleman, he called me up.
05:33 He said, the hospital said, "You're going to home and die."
05:37 He went to another natural place, they said, "There's
05:40 nothing we can do, you're going to go home and die."
05:43 He said, "But the Lord has showed me that this
05:45 cancer is not unto death."
05:48 He says, "Can I come to your facility?"
05:50 I said, "Well I can't tell ya if you're going to die or not,
05:53 I don't know how they can tell you that, but I can tell you
05:56 we'll do our best for you physically, mentally and
05:59 spiritually and put you in the best position to
06:01 present yourself to God for healing."
06:03 And so he came, he had prostate cancer that had grown up
06:08 through the bladder and was going into his intestine.
06:10 Wow, that's huge!
06:12 When he came, he couldn't get out of bed hardly.
06:15 We thought, "Okay, he's just going to lay in bed and die,
06:17 but he started in on the program, lots of interesting
06:22 therapies going on and by the end of the 18-day program,
06:25 he was walking 1-1/2 miles; he was feeling a lot better
06:29 and 3 months later, some of our therapists went up to where
06:33 he went to church and found him in church and talked
06:37 with him and he was you know, "supposed to die!"
06:41 That's really, really encouraging!
06:43 I was driving along the road one day and in front of me
06:47 was a bus and on the back of the bus, you know they have
06:49 signs and different things that you read on the back
06:52 of the bus and it said, "Cancer is a word, not a sentence."
06:57 And I thought that was interesting - in other words,
06:59 not a death sentence, so-to-speak, and I thought
07:02 that was really good and there are things that can be done.
07:05 You can't be sure that every person
07:07 might not have left it a little bit too long,
07:09 but certainly there are many, many stories of people
07:12 who can actually recover, so tell us about the foods
07:17 that can help to fight back from cancer.
07:20 What are the foods that are those powerful foods
07:23 we promised we would talk about?
07:24 You know, when you come down with a disease,
07:28 many people think that, you know, "I was the unlucky one;
07:32 I was just sitting here and it landed on me,"
07:35 and in reality, we've been doing things that have
07:37 set us up for this.
07:39 And one of the biggest problems with cancer is that it is
07:43 often an infectious disease; a virus, bacteria, some other
07:49 thing that came in and actually gave you a disease.
07:52 And modern medicine has sort of sold us on the idea
07:56 of "the germ theory," which says that, "I was me,
08:00 I was like everybody else and along came this really bad
08:03 bug and look at me now, I'm a victim!"
08:06 Well, it's better to look at it a little differently
08:10 and that is like this - it's like looking at the bugs as
08:13 vultures and do vultures eat live animals? No!
08:16 They come out and clean up what's already dying,
08:18 and you made yourself susceptible to whatever disease
08:21 by being a target by being the weak one;
08:24 by not being healthy, by not having a good immune system.
08:27 So you want to eat foods that maintain a strong immune system.
08:31 Everyone of us has cancer cells.
08:33 When they collect and get to where they reach a certain
08:36 number, the doctor says, "Look, there's a pile of them,
08:38 it's a tumor, you have cancer."
08:40 But if your immune system is working well, you'll be
08:43 shuffling those growing bad cells off to the
08:47 waste basket and you won't get cancer.
08:49 That happens if you're eating a diet that is nutritionally
08:53 dense especially with fresh fruits and vegetables,
08:57 nuts and seeds.
08:58 And so for cancer, we think of things that are in
09:01 antioxidants - blueberries, red beans, all kinds of
09:06 different green leafy vegetables especially some
09:10 of your root vegetables like beets!
09:12 Raw beets are great!
09:13 Cabbage - you think of all the family of cabbage foods,
09:17 good at fighting cancer.
09:19 You look at all the different types of sprouts - high in
09:23 antioxidants, high in nutrition.
09:26 Actually I was really surprised, you mentioned the red beans.
09:30 I was very surprised to notice that they are high on the list
09:34 of antioxidant foods - they usually come in a dried form,
09:37 and I've only ever, until I read that recently actually,
09:41 I've only ever thought of antioxidants being in
09:44 fresh fruits and vegetables, not the dried form.
09:47 But they're very high, the legumes are very, very high
09:50 and that little red bean, the adzuki bean is very high,
09:54 so that's just an interesting thing to know, especially
09:57 because it's a really good meat alternative and, I mean,
10:03 I'd put it the other way around actually.
10:05 Meat is an alternative to what we really should be eating.
10:08 So, yeah, very interesting. Jeni, what's your...
10:12 Well I was just listening to you, John.
10:14 One of the big things that comes up is the mindset,
10:17 of that person and their attitude and what they believe,
10:21 as well as contribute - you pair that with the diet,
10:24 it's like a double whammy.
10:25 And whenever anyone goes and gets a diagnosis of cancer,
10:28 what is their first reaction?
10:30 It's usually one of fear, terror and they're going to die,
10:33 so they're immediately giving the brain - is telling the body
10:36 it's going to die and we mentioned before that every
10:40 cell of the body is impacted by every thought you have. Yes
10:43 So if we want to live, we have to start living like
10:46 we're going to live even when we have an illness of some sort.
10:49 And this is where the beliefs come into it and that's...
10:52 yeah, you mentioned a few things about people's beliefs.
10:55 "Oh this is terrible, look at me, I'm not going to survive
10:58 now and what am I going to do?" because that's the way
11:03 we've been primed with cancer.
11:04 Not everyone dies from cancer. No.
11:07 Yeah and we're hearing here, you know, if someone
11:10 can go - "Well, look here's this man in stage IV,
11:12 who didn't die, I can do this."
11:15 See, it gives people hope when they hear stories like that.
11:18 And even if (and I'm not being pessimistic at all),
11:22 but even if they didn't fully survive, it will give them
11:25 some extra good years.
11:27 So it's a tricky one to talk about, I guess.
11:30 John, cancer, as noted, can't make promises
11:35 like you said when that man came to your clinic.
11:38 You said - well you don't know, but you would
11:41 give him his best chance and that's what we need to do.
11:43 We all need to give ourselves the best chance that we can
11:46 at a good quality of life.
11:48 There are a lot of lifestyle factors that impact cancer,
11:51 and certainly stress is a huge component. Yes.
11:54 And one of the things now which is a more recent area
11:59 of research is on that they call "epigenetics." Oh yeah!
12:02 And that means that we can be predisposed to an illness. Yes.
12:06 And an illness can include things like addictions because
12:10 there is a genetic capacity to the brain to be more
12:13 addicted or not addicted.
12:14 So and they're saying now that it doesn't mean you'll get it
12:17 if you got the gene, it's treated by diet,
12:21 health and lifestyle and stress.
12:24 Stress is a huge component of that.
12:27 But sadly, people are not listening to that.
12:30 You know, I know women who've gone and had a breast removed
12:32 because their whole family or the women in the family
12:34 have had cancer. Yes, we read about that
12:37 all the time. Yes and that's very sad.
12:38 In fact, there was an actress who recently had both
12:42 breasts done in the front page of the paper and so people
12:45 think - "Oh now I can do that too."
12:46 It's a common phenomenon.
12:48 Instead of going, "Well hang on, if I watch my stress levels
12:51 and live the health principles, I won't get it because
12:54 that's what happens."
12:55 You know, if you reduce your stress, watch your diet,
13:01 dense nutrients, then the body will fight it off.
13:05 It will cure itself.
13:07 And it's interesting, going back to - I think it was around
13:10 about 2005, the U.S. surgeon general, where you're from,
13:16 he said that our health status is determined, 70% of it,
13:22 is determined by our lifestyle. Yes.
13:24 What we eat and drink, whether we smoke and exercise,
13:28 and how we love.
13:30 Interesting, we might come back to that.
13:31 That was what he said and I thought that was interesting.
13:34 So that 70% is more than all other factors put together.
13:39 He allocated 10% to genetics, 10% to medical care,
13:45 and 10% to environmental factors.
13:48 So that's very supportive of what you're really saying here,
13:51 at what both of you were saying.
13:53 And I think that is of an amazing authority,
13:56 so 70% of our whole health status is determined
14:00 by our choices and what we do about our life.
14:04 Stress is a great factor in bringing the immune system down.
14:10 And people who are stressed a lot of the time,
14:12 their immune function is very poor; hence, they get colds,
14:15 flu viruses and lots of things happening.
14:17 So that means they're more predisposed to that gene pool
14:20 activating because stress weakens the whole system.
14:23 And that's why we got you on the program Jeni because
14:26 you're talking about how what we think affects us so
14:31 powerfully - every cell of the body you've actually said
14:34 in another program and, of course, John,
14:36 you're talking about the physical things
14:38 that we can do - the exercise and the water,
14:40 and the good food choices,
14:43 and there's more, of course, and that was just interesting
14:46 in what the U.S. Surgeon General said back then about how
14:52 we love and I was actually really surprised to hear that
14:55 coming from him - I don't know why I should be, I mean
14:56 I understand it really well, I just didn't expect it
14:59 to come from him and it's just an amazing thing because
15:03 well it comes back with attitude
15:06 and having healthy relationships.
15:08 Relationships are huge because people need people,
15:12 and we know that, we all known that but...
15:18 But if the heart is healthy and the brain has a capacity
15:22 to love, when we action that we're working
15:24 a healthy connection between the heart and the brain
15:26 which is very powerful.
15:27 But relationships are huge...
15:29 It hits the heart doesn't it?
15:31 Well that's right, yes.
15:32 That's where the heart comes into it and love comes into it.
15:35 That's right.
15:36 And this whole stress issue, when I was the medical
15:40 director of the cancer program, I realized that all these cancer
15:44 patients were just on edge.
15:47 They were like very stressed.
15:50 A lot of them would probably be considered
15:52 type A personalities. Yes.
15:54 Or if you get somebody that's obese or has diabetes,
15:57 and they're like, "Oh yeah, I'd like to come to your
15:59 program and I'd like to have fun there."
16:01 The cancer patients are like, "And are we going to be
16:04 drinking carrot juice? And do we have
16:07 this kind of herb? And should we go, bla, bla, bla, bla?
16:10 You know, it's like you guys are stressed out?
16:12 You're stressing me out!
16:13 So we immediately instituted a stress recovery program.
16:18 We gave them an hour a day on stress management,
16:21 and had a one-on-one with our stress counselor.
16:25 Well I have someone I know who is border type A personality.
16:29 She's a high achiever, had family, children and her stress
16:33 levels were huge and she was diagnosed
16:37 with cancer on the eye.
16:39 And she was told that if they couldn't treat it effectively,
16:43 they could have to remove the eye and to actually
16:46 remove it was going to send her blind.
16:49 And it would eventually do both eyes,
16:50 it was the left eye initially.
16:52 And because it was in the early stages,
16:54 she said, "No, I want to... like
16:56 the other story had "I want to try and sort this."
16:58 And so she went off and she learned to relax;
17:03 she cut her workload back; she started to deal with her
17:07 temperament; she changed her diet.
17:10 She had a reasonable diet but she went for foods like
17:13 you were talking about.
17:15 One of them, I remember her telling me, "Raspberries,"
17:17 so she got raspberries and had those a lot and the
17:22 black currants or the other types
17:25 of berries and that that are so powerful.
17:28 So she did whole makeover, if you want to put it that way,
17:31 where she changed her lifestyle radically and it never
17:35 progressed, it disappeared and she's never had it since.
17:37 This was probably 20 years ago.
17:39 That's just absolutely fantastic!
17:42 Now we've talked about things that these people did,
17:45 and I'm just thinking and probably people tuning in
17:49 who are thinking, "Oh that's a big ask, I'm not sure
17:55 I could do that," what would you say, John,
17:57 to people who are feeling like that's huge,
18:01 especially when they're quite sick.
18:02 What would you suggest? What would you say to them?
18:05 You want to take it a step at a time
18:08 if it's being a challenge for you and once place to start is
18:11 drinking more water.
18:13 You'd be surprised how many people are dehydrated;
18:16 therefore, they are much more concentrated and
18:19 they need to get rid of toxins.
18:22 And so you drink more water and so I tell people to drink
18:25 a liter of water when you get up in the morning;
18:27 drink a liter of water between breakfast and lunch;
18:30 and drink a liter of water a couple of hours after lunch,
18:33 and this alone is a big help.
18:35 Now that wouldn't leave much room for the other
18:37 beverages that people usually like to have.
18:40 So that could be a good thing because it would displace
18:43 some of those things.
18:45 That's right and then as far as diet goes,
18:48 if you just take and look at what you're currently
18:50 eating - hopefully you're eating some fresh fruits
18:53 and vegetables, just start increasing those proportions.
18:56 Instead of one apple, two, you know, just make it
19:00 a larger part of your meal.
19:02 So go take a journey and that's really good because
19:05 it's not all or nothing and everything that they do
19:08 in the right direction is going to help and hopefully
19:11 they can get some good social support.
19:14 Support is a really, really big thing and being loved.
19:20 Often people with cancer do get good social support
19:22 because all their friends and that rally round will help them.
19:29 But there's other kinds of support too, Jeni,
19:31 I think you mentioned it in another program
19:32 like professional support.
19:34 Yes, absolutely! And I do, I work with people who
19:37 had that diagnosis or have had it and recovering and they're
19:40 still struggling to get themselves around it. Yes.
19:44 And certainly, I think what we were talking about before
19:46 that overwhelm of looking, "I can't do this." Yes.
19:49 And people, psychologically, can cope with changing
19:53 one thing, not 20 things at once.
19:55 So that's the sort of approach I take.
19:57 Okay, well how can you start to streamline your lifestyle
20:00 and start to improve and help your immune system
20:03 and your brain function.
20:06 And water is one of them because without enough water,
20:08 the brain can shrink if it's dehydrated and it makes it
20:11 very cloudy and we can't focus.
20:13 Yes, so often people come to me and they're actually
20:17 dehydrated and they're really struggling when I'm talking
20:20 to them and I'll get them a big drink of water - the difference
20:23 is quite marked.
20:24 How fast can that happen?
20:26 A drink of water? Pretty quickly! Oh alright.
20:29 Once you put stuff in your mouth, it just translates
20:32 through everything. Oh I'm going to - thanks for
20:34 that! Better have a drink of water. Laughter.
20:37 Yes and that's really good.
20:40 I think too that it's probably a time more particularly
20:46 when people are facing a crisis of any sort...
20:49 Would be more likely to health crisis.
20:51 Yes, they are more likely to change but also I think it's a
20:54 time when people tap into spirituality and they can
20:58 do it in two ways - it might be that they turn to God
21:02 for help and they draw strength from that or they might blame
21:06 Him for their illness and turn against Him.
21:08 We see this happening in all kinds of situations
21:11 which would drive people one way or the other.
21:13 And you know, I would just really encourage you to
21:17 draw strength because God would love to do that for you,
21:20 and rather than be angry which is just going to make things worse.
21:25 My friend, she did a bit more of a spiritual focus as well.
21:29 Sorry... My friend, she did a bit more
21:31 of a spiritual focus as well. Yes, yes.
21:34 Like I said, she did the whole package, also exercise,
21:38 so she embraced all the things we're talking about. Yes.
21:41 And when you've got them all going for you... mental,
21:44 physical, spiritual, social, which is all of who we are,
21:48 that's our package. Our total package! Yes.
21:50 When you have it all going for you, it's a synergistic effect.
21:55 (it is) and it's more than the sum of the parts.
21:58 And so it's just... and we need everything going for us,
22:01 even if we're not really as sick as that, we still need
22:04 to have them all going for us, why not! Absolutely!
22:07 Why not? Why would we just coast along?
22:10 And you're sort of talking here about people
22:12 who are really getting fearful when they get the diagnosis,
22:16 and this is sort of played up.
22:18 But a lot of times, by the time they can actually
22:20 find a lump or a bump or a tumor, it's been there
22:24 a long time - it's isn't like it popped up yesterday
22:27 and you've been hit! No.
22:28 And they push you to make a decision really fast,
22:32 that's stressful in and of itself! Yes.
22:34 So just sort of step back and take it easy and don't make
22:38 fast decisions and you don't need surgery tomorrow
22:40 or chemo the next day.
22:42 You need to sort of sit back and look at your alternatives,
22:45 and think - "Now how am I gonna approach this,
22:48 and what could be wrong with my lifestyle that I
22:51 need to make changes in?"
22:52 That's when they come and see me!
22:54 That's what I help them with.
22:55 Yes, that's a wonderful combination, (it is)
22:58 the psychology and the health advice. Yes.
23:00 It needs to be married, it needs to be combined
23:03 for total health. That's right.
23:06 And what a wonderful thing that you do there.
23:09 So then, yeah, really good.
23:12 And we might think a little bit about this...
23:14 where the cancer came from.
23:16 A lot of these folks we've talked about here were using
23:20 lots of animal products.
23:22 One interesting study that really struck me was in
23:25 California - they looked at milk; they looked at what
23:28 viruses were in milk and they looked at breast cancer
23:31 and looked at what viruses were in breast cancer.
23:33 Eighty percent of those with breast cancer had a virus
23:36 found in milk and you're thinking, "Oh, it can't be!"
23:41 Well does it make any sense at all that if I am drinking
23:44 a product from a cow's breast, that I might get a breast
23:47 cancer or a breast disease?
23:48 I mean this is a no brainer! I'd never gone over it like that.
23:53 There is evidence around, you know, from studies on animals
23:56 and that we eat with cancers and growths, that can
23:58 contaminate, it can also. Oh certainly!
24:01 Yeah, there's a lot of good research now that
24:03 shows that but you don't always see it in the papers.
24:06 It's not going to be the front line news
24:07 but that's the reality, yeah.
24:10 And a lot of these animals going to market are diseased.
24:14 And very stressed. Very stressed!
24:17 And a lot of them know they're going to die and this puts
24:22 high hormones into them, stress hormones.
24:26 And then there's the whole thing of the hormones
24:29 they feed animals to make them grow.
24:31 They've discovered they can grow 20% more beef
24:35 on the same amount of feed if they give them hormones.
24:39 Those hormones come straight through to you!
24:42 And you can gain 20% more weight on the same amount
24:45 of beef but you can also grow cancer and this is a big issue.
24:49 Because a lot of these cancers almost don't grow
24:52 in the absence of hormones such as breast cancer,
24:55 prostate cancer and so forth.
24:57 And so when you look at that, you have to realize
25:00 that modern cattle are not what they were 200 years ago.
25:05 They're run on a very strict hormone program,
25:10 lots of different chemicals given to them,
25:12 and they don't get exercise, and they don't always get
25:14 water and they don't always get good food. No.
25:17 And we can go into what they feed them,
25:18 but that's a whole scary thing too.
25:20 Don't want to look at that in this program,
25:22 we'll have everyone out there stressed!
25:25 No and I remember once, as a fundraising thing for our
25:29 youth group at the church, we decided we would bag
25:32 up some manure and sell it, the kids were doing that.
25:37 And we were told to go in on a certain day, on a certain Sunday
25:41 because that's when baby chooks would be 8 weeks old,
25:45 but then 2 weeks before that, they said you're going to have
25:47 to do it this weekend because there's been disease
25:50 in the sheds and you'll have to come and get it.
25:53 So we went there - well, they had all gone to market,
25:56 all these sick fouls - the chickens had gone to market.
26:01 So we did this job - it was dreadful!
26:04 I've got to tell you, it was dreadful because the smell
26:06 was terrible - it was in an enclosed building,
26:09 a huge enclosed building.
26:11 One of the children vomited and we were all wearing masks,
26:14 it didn't help, just from the smell and that's
26:17 the only air they breathed from the time they were chicks
26:19 till they went to market and
26:22 they were walking in their own manure all that time.
26:26 Well this is why we should eat fresh foods that are grown
26:29 on trees and on the ground, and plants.
26:31 This doesn't make it more palatable.
26:33 And then when we had finished, I said to the gentleman
26:38 in charge, I said, "Now do you want us to hose this out,
26:42 or do something?" "Oh no," he said,
26:48 We had disease, you know, so we've got to treat it for that."
26:51 I said, "Oh, what was the disease?"
26:52 He said, "Salmonella."
26:54 And I was really shocked and I think it must have shown.
26:57 And he said, "Oh, don't worry, it's not one that humans get."
27:00 But they would have died if they hadn't gone to get their
27:02 heads chopped off right then,
27:04 they would have died before they got to market.
27:06 So it's a big concern when you're talking about
27:11 healthy animals - we don't know.
27:13 And I told my parents... "Don't eat any frozen chooks
27:19 for quite a while" because of what had happened.
27:21 And then I talked to a friend of mine and he said,
27:23 "It happens all the time."
27:25 He used to work with them.
27:26 Have you ever heard of somebody getting a virus
27:28 from a carrot? Laughter. Oh, no!
27:31 No actually, I haven't.
27:34 No, you don't! Well that's good news!
27:36 No, no, so that's really a big issue.
27:39 So there are a lot of factors there and, you know,
27:43 as far as getting the antioxidants from the fresh
27:46 fruit and vegetables and also then there's the viruses,
27:49 and the hormones and the stress - a lot of these things
27:52 and the support.
27:53 We need a healthy immune system.
27:55 That means we eat healthy, think healthy, look after
27:58 the body and do all the things that keep it
28:00 in good working order. Thank you!
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