Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. John Clark, Jenifer Skues
Series Code: HL
Program Code: HL000006A
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00:14 7Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
00:16 I'm your host Margot Marshall. 00:18 Can stress cause high cholesterol? 00:21 Can what's going on in our mind really affect our body? 00:25 You might be surprised by the answer! 01:02 Joining me in the studio is Jenifer Skues, a health 01:06 psychologist and Dr. John Clark. 01:08 Welcome Jenifer, welcome John! Thank you. 01:11 Nice to have you with us. 01:12 And we're going to be having a talk today that 01:16 I'd like you to start off with John. 01:18 Well, I want to tell you about a lady who illustrates our 01:22 high cholesterol and high stress scenario. 01:26 I was at a set of meetings and we had many 01:30 presenters in different rooms, and I met this lady 01:34 at lunchtime and she said, "Dr. Clark, can I talk to you about 01:38 my cholesterol?" 01:39 I said, "Sure, let's talk about your cholesterol." 01:42 She said, "I have high cholesterol and I've been 01:45 doing everything I can to get it down and I have 01:48 not been successful." 01:50 She says, "I've been exercising." 01:52 "Well that's a good thing." 01:53 She said, "I've been eating a vegan diet (in other words, 01:56 a plant-based diet)," 01:57 "Well that's a good thing." 01:58 She says, "I've been getting extra fiber 02:00 like oat bran." "Well that's a good thing." 02:03 She was on the right track. 02:04 But she said, "I cannot get my cholesterol down." 02:07 So I was a bit puzzled. 02:09 Okay, you're eating a lot of good things here and this 02:12 is working well for you but 02:14 it's not bringing your cholesterol down. 02:16 And so I started asking questions... 02:18 I said, "Well, (knowing that there were many meetings 02:21 going on), have you come to any of my meetings?" 02:23 She said, "Well, I would have liked to have, but I wasn't 02:27 able to because I was interested in these other meetings 02:29 over here where one of the presenters 02:31 is talking about stress!" 02:33 I said, "Well that's interesting, I did notice 02:35 his name on the board and his topics, 02:38 but it's interesting." She said, "Yes it is." 02:40 I said, "How is it going for you." 02:42 She said, "Well, it's going well but... and it was 02:45 going well until he asked us to take out a piece of paper 02:49 and a pen and then he said, "Start writing about your 02:54 most troubled relationship." 02:56 She said, "At that point, my mind went immediately 02:59 to my ex-husband and all I could do is cry." 03:05 Okay, big clue going on there. 03:09 So this is right on our topic today about stress 03:12 causing high cholesterol. 03:14 Jeni, this is your specialty. 03:17 It is, so I do a lot of what we call, "stress management" 03:21 because everyone I see has high stress levels - whether it be 03:25 because of their disorder or because of 03:26 things that have happened. 03:28 And I, in specializing with people with trauma, 03:30 a lot of them have very high stress and there are actually 03:33 three stages of stress and this was identified by 03:37 a gentleman by the name of " Hans Selye" back in the 50s. 03:39 And he observed and put it into these three stages 03:43 which still stands today with people 03:45 who are working with stress. 03:46 It gives us a really good view. 03:48 Your first stage is called "the alarm stage," 03:51 and what happens in the alarm stage is that you can be doing 03:56 something quite casually and something happens 03:58 and it triggers the alarm response. 04:01 For example... Driving down the road and a car shoots out 04:03 and nearly hits you - well if we didn't have the alarm response, 04:07 we would be going, "Here comes a car and I'm going to die 04:09 literally," so that gives us the ability within nanoseconds 04:13 to put the foot on the break, stop the car. 04:15 But in that process, you have an incredible surge of 04:18 adrenalin and cortisol which overloads the system 04:21 and that's fine for short-term but when it's long-term, 04:24 it becomes a problem. 04:26 But the interesting thing is, in nature, they've actually 04:29 observed this in animals because we have what's called 04:33 "the fight/flight response." Yes 04:34 And that's what the alarm reaction is, it sets up that 04:37 fight/flight and that's what the adrenalin and cortisol 04:39 is to fight off the stress or whatever it is, 04:43 or to able to run from it. 04:46 So, an animal when it's being chased by a predator in nature, 04:49 and say the predator catches up, 04:52 maybe it's the dear and the lion and what will happen 04:55 is that dear can do a drop and it's unconscious. 04:58 It's like it's dead, it's in a stage of total unconsciousness. 05:02 Sometimes that predator will think - it will come back later 05:05 or it's already dead and will leave it alone. 05:08 And they found that animal will come out of that state 05:11 and they do heavy breathing, shaking, trembling, 05:14 and then they get up and they shake themselves, 05:16 and what they've done is reset their fight/flight mechanism 05:20 which is a very interesting phenomena because 05:22 that means they are now ready to fight or flight again. Yes. 05:25 And they found that if the person doesn't do that 05:27 or, I'm sorry, if the animal doesn't do that, 05:30 what will happen is that animal will be ready to be picked off, 05:33 it can no longer fight or flight. 05:35 So that means the next predator that comes along, 05:38 it will be easy prey. I see. 05:40 Now they've noticed this that's an alarm response; 05:43 they've noticed this with humans but the problem is 05:46 what we do is we don't discharge that moment, 05:50 not like the animal did. 05:51 So we don't do things that help us to release that trauma, 05:55 and then we can't effectively fight or flight, 05:59 and they call it "the freeze mode." Oh. 06:01 So actually go into freeze where that adrenalin response 06:05 is and that moment in time is frozen in the brain, 06:08 in the body and every cell of the body. Oh okay. 06:10 Now when we maintain that, we go into stage 2 06:13 which is resistance and that means we're resisting 06:16 the stressor and we're stacking it. 06:18 And it's like work environment is a good example 06:21 where we can't get out of it and we've got to put up with 06:24 the irritable boss or the bully or whatever. 06:27 And that means we're constantly in that mode from when we 06:30 go home, come back to work and that is high stress. 06:34 And that means the body is running on adrenalin 06:37 and cortisol, and as we know and you would know, that 06:40 that causes a lot of inflammation in the brain, 06:42 toxicity and it would be at this point that this person, 06:47 you were talking about, would have started 06:49 to have cholesterol problems because stress on that level 06:52 changes the way the body and the physiology is working. 06:57 Now the third stage is if we continue with that, 06:59 what happens is we're going to burnout in exhaustion. 07:02 And the adrenals can become so exhausted, they can no longer 07:06 do their function, the person will die. 07:08 So there are people I see who, the doctor is giving 07:12 cortisol to because the stress has been so prolonged 07:15 and so dynamic that they are in that stage. 07:19 Yeah, the adrenals can no longer function. 07:22 And so when the adrenals actually stop functioning, 07:25 you die - you cannot survive without adrenal function. 07:29 Wow. Yeah, so it's a bit of an 07:32 eye-opener for all those people 07:33 out there who are really stressed. 07:35 And my eyes just opened very wide. 07:38 I didn't realize that it was basically a vital organ then, 07:42 I never knew that. 07:44 It is, we don't realize it and there are people out there 07:46 who have actually succumbed to that or are being 07:49 treated for adrenal failure. Yes. 07:52 But the good news is the body can do a lot of repair work, 07:55 but you've got to get out of that stress zone 07:58 for the body to correct itself because we have what's called 08:01 a "homeostasis environment," and that means the body has 08:05 been created to balance itself. 08:07 So we have mechanisms that will help change that... 08:11 For example, if we're cold, the liver will produce heat 08:14 by shaking the body to pick up again. Yes. 08:17 So we have all these mechanisms, for blood 08:19 sugar - insulin to correct the blood sugar level, you see. 08:22 So the body is an amazing thing. It is. 08:26 It absolutely is! And the brain. 08:27 John, I think you had another story we'd like to hear. 08:31 Would you share that with us now? 08:33 Yeah, and I'd like to get into the second story, 08:35 but before we do that, we might just mention the mechanism 08:38 here, I'm glad we've mentioned the cortisol and as the cortisol 08:43 goes up, it makes your blood sugar go up. Okay. 08:46 And when your blood sugar goes up, 08:47 your insulin wants to push it down, 08:49 so the insulin levels go up. 08:51 But it's insulin that is making your cholesterol go high. 08:55 So for this particular individual, 08:58 who is experiencing lots of stress ongoing at the 09:03 second or maybe third stage that you were mentioning there, 09:06 she's going to have her high cholesterol until she can... 09:10 Well how is she going to shake herself and snort and get 09:14 the stress off - I'm sort of interested in this. 09:16 Well the problem is with stress, it doesn't matter whether 09:19 it's real or imagined and one of the things you said, 09:22 it wasn't until she sat down and started writing - that the 09:25 stress factor kicked in again. 09:27 Now she's been sitting with that grief or that tearfulness 09:31 or that stress of whatever happened with her husband 09:34 that is like the time bomb waiting to go off. 09:38 And if it's imagined stress, it does as much damage 09:42 and it triggers the same response as real stress. Oh. 09:45 So it doesn't matter whether we imagine it or it's actually 09:48 happening and this is where trauma comes in to it. 09:51 She would have been carrying the trauma because when we 09:53 keep going over an event that was real 09:56 and stressful, we keep reigniting the stressors 09:59 and that means we're constantly doing that process. 10:04 Alright, and we keep going through it and there's an 10:07 interesting comment - Mark Twain had some wonderful 10:10 sayings and he said, "I've been through some terrible 10:13 things in my life and some of them actually happened!" 10:15 Laughter... That's what we do. We do, don't we? Yes! 10:19 We're constantly reliving things. 10:21 Relive or worry about things that might happen. 10:24 That emotion that maybe they will and often they don't. 10:28 So we can do it for future events that we fear 10:30 and are stressful, as well as go over old events. Yes. 10:33 That means we're not here in the present. 10:35 I heard a saying once that said, "Worry is the interest 10:39 paid on trouble before it's due." That's right! 10:43 That's what we do! And we do! 10:45 We have all these problems with physiology. 10:48 And so that brings us to our second story here and I worked 10:51 with a lady for a while in my teaching across the 10:56 United States where she would do a cooking school, 10:59 and she had high cholesterol. 11:02 Now this lady was living what she taught. 11:05 She made the food, it was good food, 11:08 food that would not be likely to raise cholesterol, 11:11 but her cholesterol was quite high. 11:14 And then as we got to know her, we discovered something 11:17 in her life that was very traumatic, she 11:20 had a son - the son had gotten involved with the wrong group. 11:24 He had gone south in another country and in another 11:28 gotten involved in drugs. 11:30 The drug ring had figured out that maybe he was leaking 11:33 information - they thought he was "a nark," 11:37 a person telling on them. 11:39 And so they killed him! 11:42 They literally threw him off a multistory building. 11:46 Well yeah, how traumatic and she found out 11:50 about this and, of course, you can't get any kind of justice 11:53 in some of these other countries and it just wore on her. 11:57 The lack of justice, the no rhyme or reason to this, 12:01 and they'd done it to her son. 12:03 In fact, the villains were actually from America, 12:06 came back and she saw them and they sort of 12:08 taunted her that they had done this. 12:10 And so she was very angry at these murderers. 12:15 And this anger welled up in her and she kept riding it 12:19 and this was the source of her stress. 12:21 But then, a couple of years later, she got in to 12:24 understanding of the value of forgiveness; went to some 12:28 seminars on what forgiveness is, how to forgive others, 12:33 and how to be forgiven and once she had gone through this, 12:37 and she actually went through the process of forgiving 12:39 the villains regardless of whether they deserved it or not, 12:43 then her cholesterol came back down to normal! 12:47 Well she was working on that stage 1, stage 2, 12:49 going into stage 3, so she stopped resisting the stressors 12:54 and getting stressed about it and did an action that helped 12:57 her to heal, and she went off that alarm response 13:02 which is where we're meant to be until we need it. 13:04 That's really interesting, Jeni. 13:06 John, have you got some thoughts on that? 13:08 So what I'm seeing here is that she had a high cholesterol 13:13 through that whole sequence of events where stress 13:17 raises cortisol; cortisol raises your blood sugar; 13:19 blood sugar raises your insulin and then insulin 13:22 drives up the cholesterol and then when she came to 13:27 forgiveness, the cortisol went down; therefore the blood 13:31 sugars came down; therefore the insulin went down, 13:34 and therefore her cholesterol came down. 13:36 And so the whole system is affected then by stress! 13:39 And so the most important thing for her, at least for her 13:42 own survival was forgiveness. 13:44 Well it's her perception and she changed her perception. 13:47 She changed her perception from anger and pain to 13:49 forgiving, then it's going to relieve the stress problem. 13:53 But if she doesn't have all this anger and fear and pain, 13:56 and so forth, who is going to get back at these guys? 14:00 Well she must have had to forgive them and it is 14:04 commonly seen where I've seen people who were in court 14:07 have actually forgiven the person who murdered 14:09 their daughter, for example, and of course, everyone finds 14:12 that hard to comprehend - how can you do that? 14:14 That's where she had faith and this comes back to our 14:17 spiritual dynamic because faith helps a lot of healing 14:21 and it helps to get you off of those alarm reactions 14:23 and to find a healing pathway. 14:26 And certainly the benefit was to her as well 14:28 as to these, you know, these young people, 14:31 it's interesting, isn't it? 14:33 And I appreciated those pathways that you explained, 14:36 John and it might not hurt to say it one more time 14:39 the pathway where what's going on in our mind is actually 14:42 significantly affecting what's going on in our body. 14:46 And there was that pathway that started out with the stress. 14:49 Stress and then the stress raises the cortisol which is 14:53 that stress hormone that Jeni mentioned. 14:55 And the cortisol makes your blood sugar go up. 14:58 People who take that as a drug, called prednisone, 15:01 will find their blood sugars go up. 15:03 And so the blood sugar goes up and then the response 15:06 to high blood sugar is insulin, and then when you get 15:09 the insulin going up, it raises your cholesterol. 15:13 And so it's a big sequence of events but the end result is 15:18 you can know if you're having a high cholesterol all the time, 15:21 and nothing else seems to be bringing it down, 15:24 you might be suffering from the effects of emotional stress, 15:28 and these days, you think of all the stressors. 15:30 I mean everything from electronic things we 15:32 carry and the communication age to the rising bills 15:38 and your rent and then the new laws they put into effect 15:42 to help control humanity. 15:45 Everything brings stress to a 15:47 higher level in this day and age. 15:48 Yes, that's interesting and it's interesting how, you know, 15:53 you brought out the spiritual part that there's the 15:55 consensus that people who have a good connection, 15:59 a good spiritual connection, had better mental 16:03 and physical health. 16:04 And this has been borne out in what we've just said, 16:07 so there's a spiritual dimension in there that's very, very 16:10 beneficial to us. 16:15 It puts us back in that stage 1 off the alarm, so because 16:19 the ultimate is to have the balance and when we're at 16:21 peace with ourselves, we have that balance. Yes. 16:24 The moment we get back into the alarm reaction, 16:28 we actually drive up the adrenalin and the cortisol 16:31 which we've heard from the physiology but it also causes 16:33 a lot of inflammation in the brain and it does a lot of 16:36 other types of damage as well, not just with cholesterol. 16:40 But the alarm reaction is to protect us, 16:43 not to live in it. That's right! 16:45 So if we get off that alarm reaction, this is where 16:47 this lady hadn't done it for years, 16:49 she carried this for years but in resolving it, 16:52 she's got a permanent solution to her whole 16:55 physiology and body and it's like a self-healing mechanism 16:58 to correct itself. 17:00 So we've got a mind-body connection and we've got 17:03 a spiritual-body connection and that all of those 17:06 elements of our being the mental, physical, spiritual, 17:09 social, they're all blended in there and they all 17:12 affect each other. 17:14 Well like I find one of the important things to do 17:17 to bring your stress levels down is to correct 17:20 the heart rate. Oh yes! 17:21 When your heart does overtime, your brain 17:24 continues to perceive it as "you're under attack, 17:26 you're under stress," and keeps pumping adrenalin 17:29 which is against what the heart needs 17:31 and the heart then just gets worse. 17:33 So when you do breathing where you focus the breathing 17:37 around the heart area where 17:39 the lungs are behind the heart, it actually 17:41 calms and evens the heartbeat and that gets the 17:44 system to get off the alarm response. Yes. 17:46 It actually helps it to calm down. 17:48 So tell us, just explain that breathing 17:50 that you're talking about. 17:51 They found that even if just putting your hand over 17:54 your heart will calm it and that's off 17:55 from scientific studies. 17:57 So our body has good mechanisms. 18:00 You're going to show us what to do. 18:02 Yeah, just put your hand like this. 18:04 It actually feels lovely. 18:05 You can feel it. It's a lovely feeling! Yeah. 18:08 And then when you breathe into the hand space 18:10 where the heart is and you focus the breath there, 18:13 and then you slowly breathe out and just slow the 18:15 heart rate down and even it out - the heart rate, 18:18 the beat between evens out. 18:21 So you've got the beat, you've got an even space, 18:23 even space - and that tells the brain that all is well. 18:26 Laughter... Patriotic American there 18:29 with your hand on your heart! 18:31 But it's a beautiful feeling, as soon as you touch that there, 18:34 it has some kind of a very 18:36 noticeable effect and that breathing. 18:39 Well simple things work well and that's the best de-stressor. 18:42 And when I'm driving down the road and my alarm goes on 18:45 because someone nearly hits me, that's what I do. Okay. 18:47 I start doing that breathing, I might even rub my chest area, 18:51 put my hand over that area. 18:52 Okay, you have a hand on the wheel. Yes! 18:54 If not, I stay on an alarm reaction and then I'm ready 18:57 to overreact to things (Yes) because I've got 19:00 too much adrenalin and cortisol. Yes, yes. 19:02 And, talk about overreacting, years back now, 19:09 we read in the paper that (and this had happened a 19:11 few doors from us), but we read in the paper where 19:13 someone killed his friend in the lounge room and it was all 19:17 over which TV channel to watch. Okay. 19:20 And I'm trying to imagine him in prison over the years, 19:23 thinking, "Was that worth it?" 19:27 Was it really worth it? You know, he just 19:29 overreacted and ended up 19:31 and he got into a brawl and he killed him. 19:33 Well that person would have probably been running 19:36 on adrenalin most of the time, I mean, they were in probably 19:39 the resistant stage and something triggered them 19:42 and that's with adrenalin-cortisol anger 19:45 aggression and you react out, very dangerous. 19:48 You see it on the roads, road-rage and things like 19:52 that too where people really do overreact to things. 19:57 And I suspect for your case with this lady, 20:01 she had been reacting to that stressor and who knows 20:05 what else was stressful in her life that would have added 20:08 into when you met her and the stress was the problem 20:12 not so much the diet and health side of it, 20:14 so it's really working with both angles because people 20:18 who aren't stressed do digest a lot better, but if they're 20:22 having all the wrong foods, eventually 20:23 that can catch up with them. 20:25 Yes, this is true and what's really fascinating is some 20:28 of the drugs that have been used to help with 20:31 high blood pressure and high cholesterol actually 20:34 have a dramatic effect on the brain to suppress it 20:37 in a way that the brain will no longer be responding 20:40 to stressors. 20:42 They are literally dumbing down the patient, 20:44 but the idea is - is that they help the blood pressure 20:47 or help the cholesterol through a neural mechanism 20:50 rather than actually affecting the physiology surrounding 20:53 the blood pressure or cholesterol. 20:56 That's not good to hear! 20:59 Or it is good to hear, it's not good that it happens. 21:02 It's good that we understand more because then you can 21:05 recognize it and do something about it when you 21:07 feel those physiological responses. 21:09 Yes, how much better to use your technique, Jeni, 21:12 and to just... you know. 21:13 How quickly does the body respond to that breathing? 21:18 Probably 2 or 3 breaths in and out - well you felt it 21:22 when you put your hand over that area of your heart. 21:25 But it does not take long and I find what happens 21:28 because the brain is neuroplastic wire, 21:30 it likes that response. 21:32 So your brain wants to keep doing it and I find 21:35 now that it goes to autopilot, that when I get 21:38 a bit stressed or I'm reacting, I start doing the breathing, 21:41 not because I've thought of it because my brain 21:43 has learned that that works and it wants me to be relaxed. 21:48 So we don't have to consciously do it all the time. 21:50 Once we get a mechanism that works, the brain will rapidly 21:54 learn it and want to do it. 21:55 We re-do the habit, we're changing the habit. Yes. 21:59 So one of the things we would like to do in this program 22:02 is show how it goes both ways. Yes. 22:04 And it's interesting that in your physiology, 22:07 if you are on diet that is inflaming your system, 22:11 such as our oxidized oils that we have talked about 22:14 or fried foods, or foods that are created through rotting, 22:18 fermenting and ageing and inflammation is going up 22:20 in your body - it's a physiological stress. 22:24 And this can make your cholesterol go up. 22:26 It can also make your stress go up where you are more 22:29 on tippy-edge ready to react to things that are happening 22:33 in your environment in ways that you wouldn't 22:34 otherwise react to them had you been on a 22:37 calming diet, a more nutritious diet, a diet 22:39 to help you so you have lower inflammation. Yes. 22:42 Yes, so I see what you mean, it goes both ways. 22:46 The things we eat can raise the stress - the stress 22:48 raises the cholesterol. 22:49 And stress causes brain inflammation and when the 22:51 brain is inflamed, it's going to react. 22:53 So we're a whole person aren't we? We are. 22:55 A total package. And all of these things... 22:56 the mental, physical, spiritual, social - they all 22:59 work together and if one is working against the other, 23:03 it sets off this chain reaction, so all of 23:05 these things are very important. They are. 23:09 And I often work from body to brain, not brain to body 23:13 which is most psychologists will work with the brain, 23:15 but my work starts with the body. 23:17 I think that's fantastic because you 23:18 can do it both ways, can't you? Yes! 23:20 Calm the physiology calm the brain. 23:23 You bring inflammation down. 23:25 So that's what we do. Yes. 23:28 That's good that you have two strings to your 23:32 bow so to speak, with you know with using 23:35 the physical part and the foods and so on and then you're 23:38 able to work from the stress part and the mentor part 23:42 and how they both work with each other. 23:44 There's a lot of research in this area now and people 23:49 can access this just online or in books that will 23:52 educate them and help them to understand it 23:54 because if you understand the brain and the body and the 23:56 connection, you work a lot smarter. 23:58 They found in science that when the brain knows how it works, 24:01 it works smarter. Sure. 24:02 So that's an important point. 24:04 Now we've talked about some of the foods that raise cholesterol 24:08 as well because that's probably the focus, it's the cholesterol, 24:11 we've looked at how stress can. 24:13 So what foods would actually be low in cholesterol 24:17 or can help to lower cholesterol? 24:19 We need to be very clear on this because this is 24:22 what we're building up to. 24:24 What would be foods that help our cholesterol to be low? 24:27 You have to realize why your cholesterol goes high, 24:30 and there are three uses of cholesterol in your body; 24:33 one is for cell walls, one is also for hormones, 24:39 and the third one as a digestive agent. 24:43 In your body, the #1 way that cholesterol is used is 24:46 as a digestive agent and here's the way it works... 24:50 When you eat food, it has fat in it but your blood is 24:53 made out of water - you can't mix fat and water very easily 24:57 and so you need an emulsifier, a soap if you please. Yeah okay. 25:01 Cholesterol is that soap that helps mix water and oil, 25:07 and so anything you eat that will require more soap, 25:11 i.e., fats, is going to raise your cholesterol. 25:15 If you think about the hardest fat to wash off a plate 25:19 at dishwashing time... We think of that sometime, 25:23 you know, is that what I've put in my body 25:24 when I used to do things. 25:26 Then you've just discovered the thing that will raise 25:28 your cholesterol the highest. 25:29 For example, if I had a pat of butter on a plate, 25:32 and instead of taking a knife and flipping it off into the 25:35 garbage, I decided I'm going to melt that butter with 25:37 soap and water, it would take a lot of soap and water 25:41 to melt that butter. 25:43 And so any food that's got fat in it - be it cholesterol 25:46 food or animal shortening or vegetable shortening, 25:50 it's going to take a certain amount of soap to emulsify. 25:55 That said, when you eat foods that have oils in them 25:59 that have been extracted, in other words they went through 26:02 a phase where they were in a bottle, then you're going 26:05 to have much higher cholesterol. 26:07 On the other hand, if you're eating foods that have 26:09 their oils still packaged as God packed them 26:12 with the fiber, then it's going to have a less effect 26:16 to raise your cholesterol. 26:17 So in studies where they compared cheese, which is a 26:20 hard fat and which would take a lot of soap, 26:22 to vegetable oil, they found if you switch from cheese 26:25 to vegetable oil, you could drop your cholesterol 26:28 by about 20%. Wow. 26:30 But, if you switched from cheese to eating nuts, like almonds, 26:34 you could drop your cholesterol by 40% and so twice as good 26:39 an affect by changing from a hard fat to a fat that 26:43 occurs naturally in nature. 26:45 And so we look at nuts, avocados and olives and things like 26:49 that as good sources of fat because they're packaged 26:52 as they should be. 26:54 But bottled oils, for example, if you go and get a 26:58 bran muffin at your local convenience store, 27:01 you look at the ingredients - it's got lots of oil. 27:04 The bran isn't going to counteract that oil because 27:07 that oil is not packaged with the bran as it should be 27:10 as it would have been in a nut. 27:12 And you're going to get high cholesterol from that oil 27:15 being in that product. 27:17 And so any fats in your diet 27:18 are going to raise your cholesterol. 27:20 And that's what amuses me with products, you go 27:22 and what they do is extract everything from the seed 27:25 and then they use the refined flour, then they add 27:27 back gluten but it was in there the first time! 27:32 Why do you remove it? 27:33 We've altered so many foods, so many foods and I don't 27:39 remember the figures but there used to be an "X" amount of 27:43 foods in the supermarkets and now there's many, many 27:47 times that many and they're not new plants or anything 27:51 like that, they're just things that have been altered, 27:53 and altered and altered and packaged them 27:55 in just so many ways. 27:58 And so we've done a disservice actually to the foods 28:02 we actually eat if we could almost call some of them foods 28:05 and they haven't served us very well but the stress 28:09 thing that you talked about today has just been amazing 28:12 because I don't know whether we really fully appreciate 28:16 what our thoughts can do to our body. Yes. 28:20 One thought is enough to tell the whole body. 28:23 Yes, that mind-body connection is very powerful. Yes. 28:25 Thank you both so much for what you've had to say today. 28:28 It's been a really great program. 28:30 Well that's all for today and you can view our programs 28:33 on demand if you'd like to see them again by visiting 28:36 our website at: 3abnaustralia.org.au 28:40 Just click on the watch button. 28:41 And you can also download our fact sheets. 28:44 You might not remember everything we've said, 28:46 so you can do it that way and if you have a health concern, 28:50 you'd like to discuss with Dr. John Clark or Jenifer, 28:53 send an email to: 28:54 healthyliving@3abnaustrailia.org .au 28:58 We look forward to having you join us next time 29:00 on "Healthy Living." |
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