Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. John Clark, Jenifer Skues
Series Code: HL
Program Code: HL000007A
00:15 Welcome to "Healthy Living."
00:17 I'm your host Margo Marshall.
00:19 There was a time when heart disease was the #1 killer
00:22 in Western countries, but not anymore.
00:25 According to the "World Health Organization,"
00:28 heart disease is now the leading cause of death worldwide.
00:33 Why is that?
00:34 Stay tuned as we get to the heart of the matter.
01:13 In the studio with me today, I have Dr. John Clark
01:16 and health psychologist, Jeni Skues.
01:19 Welcome Jeni and welcome John! Thank you.
01:23 This is a very, very important subject and it's just
01:26 one that affects so many people.
01:28 So, John, would you like to start off by telling us
01:33 your amazing story of someone who was able to turn
01:36 their health around from heart disease.
01:39 The gentleman I'm going to tell you about today
01:42 was a trucker - he would drive across the United States
01:45 in a big truck; he was many miles from home down in
01:49 Tennessee when he had a massive heart attack.
01:53 They took him to a University Hospital, checked him out,
01:57 did everything they could and said, "There isn't anything
02:00 more we can do; we can't do a bypass surgery,
02:04 you're not a candidate and we can't do any stents or anything.
02:07 We're just going to send you home on oxygen."
02:10 Well they sent him home back up to West Virginia on oxygen.
02:15 Now this gentleman also had been smoking,
02:18 so he had emphysema which can contribute to heart disease.
02:22 That's a bad combination.
02:25 And he also had diabetes which also increases the risk
02:30 of plaque or atherosclerosis in the heart.
02:34 And then he had the atherosclerosis that led
02:37 to the heart attack.
02:39 So these type of people are in very difficult shape,
02:43 and he was no exception.
02:44 They say a large portion of his heart had died
02:48 in the heart attack and the result was something
02:51 called, "congestive heart failure."
02:54 His heart just wasn't pumping enough blood
02:56 or much blood and so he's home on oxygen;
02:59 he's on diabetic pills and he's in tough shape. And?
03:07 Lots of complications. Yeah, lots of complications.
03:11 So you think about some of the things that might lead
03:14 to a heart attack in somebody like this.
03:17 Well you've given us a few good ones with the
03:19 diabetes and everything else he had.
03:23 I think John is talking about some lifestyle things.
03:25 You've already talked about him smoking?
03:28 Produced stress. Yeah.
03:30 That's a major factor, the first organ affected by
03:33 stress is the heart, then the lungs and then the lower organs,
03:38 so his heart was being impacted totally.
03:40 And sitting in the truck day in and day out
03:43 not getting physical activity.
03:45 That's correct!
03:47 Sedentary lifestyle - well, he was at this place
03:52 in West Virginia and his wife was a church attender,
03:56 and I came there to do a series of meetings on health topics.
04:01 Well the church said, "Well will you see our "church
04:07 invalid," they called him. Oh goodness.
04:09 Labeled! What a label to have!
04:13 Yes and why was he called an invalid?
04:15 Well when I got to see him, he sat in his chair with his
04:19 eyes half open, on oxygen; he would slowly puff away
04:24 and he had this oxygen tank that made a click every time
04:27 he took a breath in, and I'm listening to this and I'm
04:31 thinking, "Well I'm happy to see your church invalid,
04:34 but "I'm thinking this is not a promising case!"
04:39 He can't walk across the room without feeling winded;
04:43 his heart is totally messed up with a heart attack;
04:48 his diabetes is contributing and he hasn't done anything
04:53 to fix that and I'm just feeling like, "Wow, you
04:56 know, there's more promising cases, is this going to be a
05:00 winner or not and will he even do what...?"
05:03 You know, if the church sends him to me, it isn't like he
05:07 said, "I want to go see Dr. Clark," like somebody
05:09 Yeah, not his own idea.
05:11 He wasn't a willing volunteer.
05:13 Well at least that would be my question, you know,
05:15 "Did you come here because you wanted to
05:17 or because they said, you know, you're going..."
05:19 And that's a big factor isn't it? Motivation!
05:22 Oh absolutely!
05:23 If you don't want to do it, you can teach them anything,
05:25 and the person won't contribute,
05:28 won't do anything, they've given up. Yeah!
05:30 It's like he'd probably already given up,
05:31 and that means he's telling his body he's given up,
05:33 the brain and the body are communicating which is huge.
05:36 And it makes a difference, it's people who give up
05:39 or don't have anything they can do, especially men will die.
05:44 We actually have a survival brain - part of the brain is
05:47 geared to survive and it's an unconscious part
05:49 that reacts, but you can actually consciously
05:52 shut it down like he would have gotten off of that
05:56 survival mode started to go, "Oh well, there's no
05:59 hope for me, my life is over," so he's allowing the brain
06:02 to shut everything down.
06:04 And so he and his wife came, his wife - I didn't really
06:08 go into her health issues, but she definitely
06:11 carried extra pounds and so I said, "Okay,
06:16 let's do our best here."
06:18 And so I took their health history and their lifestyle
06:21 history - I usually go through and ask them what they eat
06:24 for breakfast, lunch and tea... laughter... you might
06:29 call it the "evening meal," as it doesn't conflict with that.
06:31 We all know. Yes.
06:33 And how much exercise he got, how much water he drank,
06:37 and what some of his other habits were
06:38 that were good or bad and then I sat down and laid him out
06:42 a program - what time to get up in the morning;
06:44 what to do as soon as he got up;
06:46 how much water to drink; different exercises
06:48 for his lungs; foods for his lungs for breakfast;
06:51 different times for when to drink water in the mid-morning;
06:54 and what to eat for lunch; and when to do his exercise
06:58 after lunch and after breakfast.
07:00 You're talking exercise to a man who can't walk
07:03 across the room. That's right.
07:05 So that would have been a challenge.
07:06 What exercise did you give him?
07:08 I'm glad you mentioned that because what I basically
07:11 told him is this...
07:12 Every two hours, I want you to walk half the distance
07:16 you can walk without stopping and turn around and come back,
07:20 and then each time, try to push it a little farther
07:23 so if you can only walk a block, walk half a block out
07:25 and half a block back and see where you turned around
07:29 and next time, take a few steps further.
07:32 And so every two hours he was supposed to take a walk
07:37 and practice some breathing exercises.
07:40 Well it was very interesting, I sort of dismissed him
07:44 and thought, "Oh well, you know, I gave him this
07:47 huge program - a lot of lifestyle changes..."
07:50 Yes, very structured because he was a very sick man.
07:52 Very structured.
07:54 He had to really stick to it.
07:55 He needed to stick to it and within two months,
07:59 he was walking 3 kilometers a day. Wow!
08:03 He was starting his garden; his eyes were wide opened;
08:06 the oxygen was going down in the amount of volume he needed
08:10 per day or per hour.
08:12 How long was that before that... Two months!
08:15 Two months - that's amazing for someone who was so sick
08:17 and literally on death's door.
08:19 And the emphysema, I mean the lung capacity
08:22 is being compromised.
08:24 So it wasn't just the heart that wasn't pumping enough
08:27 blood and the lungs couldn't breathe properly,
08:30 so he had both of those major things. That's wonderful.
08:35 And so he also put in a chicken house and he
08:42 would come to meetings at the church...
08:45 What was this chicken house about?
08:47 Was that just something he could do physically?
08:48 Something he could do physically. Okay!
08:50 He got some chickens and they were laying eggs and,
08:53 you know, something to do, and his garden was
08:56 (flourishing)... Yeah, starting to share
08:58 stuff from his garden over time.
09:01 Gardening is actually quite more strenuous than
09:03 just walking because even just getting down to ground
09:05 level is quite a challenge, but it's a great
09:08 exercise, isn't it? Oh yes.
09:10 He's a good example of that principle of motivation
09:14 because he wouldn't have had any motivation
09:16 when he started - which is what you questioned him on,
09:18 you know, are you're willing to do this, but when you gave him
09:22 a formula and he followed it, he took action and it
09:24 increased his motivation, so that's a very good
09:27 example of that and then he would have taken more
09:30 action which is like when you go those few steps further,
09:32 and we can all do that, and we don't have to feel
09:35 like it, we just have to know "this is what I have to do,"
09:37 and that's what he did.
09:39 You grow your motivation.
09:41 Yes, you do! It's like your garden!
09:43 It makes me think of a little saying, I have to tell you this.
09:48 I read it, it's a very good quote.
09:50 "A dream becomes a reality when you takes steps
09:54 to make it so."
09:57 I have to laugh about that because it's a little joke...
09:59 I have with my daughter, she had a bit of a
10:01 dream and I said something like that to her,
10:03 and she was crushed!
10:05 Do you know what? She did it, she did it.
10:07 We'll talk about it another day.
10:09 Yes, so he did this, you put before him
10:13 what could happen and even you were a little
10:14 bit unsure whether someone so sick could actually
10:19 become well, but you put before him what could happen,
10:21 and how it could happen, and he took the steps
10:24 and we haven't heard the end of the story yet.
10:26 So you've got more to this story, I think?
10:29 Yes and so he went to see his doctor;
10:33 they started cutting back on his diabetic medications.
10:37 And the congestive heart failure improving,
10:41 that's why he could walk so far.
10:43 And then the last time I saw him, I didn't actually
10:47 see him, I saw a picture of him... in West Virginia
10:51 they had something called, "Health Camp," meaning
10:54 people could come there for two weeks and enjoy the
10:58 outdoors and get instruction and eat good food.
11:02 And his picture was on the front of the brochure
11:04 walking big steps and looking just very vibrant,
11:07 and as an advertisement for coming to "Health Camp."
11:10 Ohhh, what do you know!
11:12 What do you know! A very good advertisement.
11:15 How long would that have been? Do you know?
11:17 That was about a year later.
11:18 About a year later and he was an advertisement
11:20 for a "Health Camp."
11:22 That's astonishing, actually isn't it - when you
11:25 think about it - with someone who couldn't walk
11:28 across the room and so on and had all of those
11:30 health ailments. Oh, that's beautiful!
11:33 He actually applied his will because in the brain
11:36 there's a physical part of the brain that is connected
11:38 with the will and the conscience and the will starts at the
11:41 front of the lobe through to the back of the brain
11:44 in the center there and it's now scientifically found that
11:48 the will is an active part; it's not just, you know,
11:51 something that we don't see - it's really
11:54 a physical part of the brain.
11:55 So when he was so sick, his will would have been
11:57 eroding, alright, but certainly as he improved,
12:01 then he put his will in action.
12:02 It's like a muscle - it grows.
12:04 So if we action the will, it will grow and it will
12:07 strengthen - so it's an important point.
12:09 Jeni, just while we're chatting to you, does the heart
12:13 have intelligence?
12:14 The heart is an amazingly intelligent organ.
12:18 I kind of think that's going to be news to some people.
12:22 So just to make this very clear, tell us about it.
12:25 The scientific community is finding that the heart has
12:28 an amazing intelligence all of its own.
12:30 It's not like our thinking brain, it has an intelligence
12:34 as to how it works and it's actually the
12:35 focus of the whole system because if the
12:37 heart fails, everything fails, the brain fails.
12:39 And it has circuitry, electrical circuitry, it isn't just a pump.
12:45 It actually has a lot of nerves and a very complex system
12:48 that now with new technology, they're finding out
12:51 there's a lot more to the heart than we really believed.
12:53 Isn't that interesting? Yeah.
12:54 We can actually shut the heart down.
12:56 There's a syndrome called, "the broken heart syndrome."
12:59 We hear about broken hearts and
13:01 I thought it was just an expression.
13:03 No, die of a broken heart literally.
13:05 Yeah and a client I had a long time ago, she was at the
13:09 doctor's and she said she was having what seemed like
13:14 a heart attack but it was a panic attack
13:15 because she was prone to them and the doctor kept saying,
13:17 "You're having a panic attack."
13:19 She was saying, "No, it's my heart, I'm having
13:21 a heart attack - I know it's my heart."
13:23 And she finally convinced him because he was trying
13:26 to get her to stop the panic and he sent her to the hospital,
13:29 and they did help the heart, it was the heart,
13:32 but the person who diagnosed her and the heart
13:36 practitioner, he said that it was actually "the broken
13:39 heart syndrome," and that was because she'd had
13:42 immense grief in her life - she had never dealt with.
13:44 And that was partly why I was helping her and she had all
13:47 these losses and deaths and people around her and that
13:51 had caused such grief was what overloaded the heart
13:55 it was overwhelming.
13:57 You can die of a broken heart.
13:59 The circuitry, it interrupts that electrical circuitry
14:03 of the heart and the heart can actually flood itself.
14:05 Ohh, that's just incredible.
14:07 And it's not a heart attack, it's actually, you know,
14:09 the heart is breaking.
14:11 So we've got to look after the heart!
14:13 But how would we do that, you might tell us
14:15 that in a moment, but John, you've given this man a
14:20 very strict program, did you tell us
14:22 what sorts of things he was to eat?
14:24 I don't know if you've covered that.
14:26 No, I didn't quite cover that yet and so I'm focusing
14:29 on three different things; congestive heart failure
14:33 and coronary artery disease, emphysema and lung oxygenation
14:39 and diabetes.
14:41 So we're looking at three things we have to straighten out,
14:44 and you might think - "Well that's terribly complex if he's
14:46 on medications, he'd be on medications for all three."
14:49 Well what's sort of neat about the original diet and original
14:52 lifestyle is it treats everything!
14:55 Yes, one size fits all!
14:57 One size fits all! Well tell us what it is.
14:58 What is this "original diet," as you call it, but it goes
15:01 back to the beginning of creation - what is that?
15:04 This would be like fresh fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds.
15:08 And of course, we did pick on certain ones as being
15:12 the things he should focus on. Yes.
15:14 And so the things that we focused on for him were like
15:17 foods for the lungs - apples!
15:19 A person that eats an apple a day - you know the old
15:22 "An apple a day." It will put you out of business.
15:24 "Keeps the doctor away." Yes.
15:26 Keeps the doctor away - an apple a day will increase the
15:28 amount of air a person breathes by 150 milliliters
15:34 in every breath. Wow!
15:36 Through your breath, every breath.
15:38 How do these 150 milliliters, I'm trying to picture it,
15:40 what would that be like?
15:41 A half a cup - no, 250 is a cup so it's a bit over half a cup.
15:47 Isn't it? You don't know because you don't do metrics.
15:53 No, that would be 125 is half a cup,
15:56 so 150 is a bit over half a cup.
15:58 That's a lot of volume!
15:59 Yeah for your lungs. That's a lot of extra volume.
16:01 And that's by eating an apple a day. An apple a day!
16:04 Why don't we take a short break? Laughter.
16:07 Yeah, have you got an apple there?
16:08 Where's the apple for the teacher?
16:10 Isn't it funny that - I don't know if that's in all cultures,
16:12 but there's this is saying, An apple a day, keeps the
16:14 doctor away," and I'm surprised that
16:16 you were going to undercut your profession! Laughter.
16:21 Onions, you know how when you eat an onion,
16:23 it's almost instantly on your breath?
16:24 Oh yes! Oh yes!
16:27 Especially if it's someone else's breath. Yes!
16:29 And onions have a phytochemical called "quercetin,"
16:32 which is also very beneficial for the lungs.
16:35 So we had him doing apples, onions, garlic;
16:39 grapes are good for the lungs.
16:40 They have resveratrol which helps lungs fight infections
16:44 and be more healthy and so lung foods were a big part of it
16:49 and then for his diabetes, we improved his intake
16:52 of whole grains especially things like oat bran - which
16:56 oat bran helps to control blood sugars.
16:59 And then for his heart disease, we're looking to totally cut
17:03 any kind of fats and eat lots of green leafy vegetables
17:07 which help plaque to disappear. Okay.
17:11 Additionally, things that help plaque disappear are good
17:13 sunlight, fresh air and exercise.
17:18 Basic principles.
17:20 So you're saying that these things actually reverse the
17:23 build up of plaque in the arteries.
17:26 That's correct, "Dr. Caldwell Esselstyne of the
17:29 Cleveland Clinic" has shown in angiography that plaque
17:32 can be totally reversed simply by changes in diet.
17:37 And his recommended diet is a low fat diet, beans,
17:41 fresh fruits and vegetables. It was a no-added fat diet,
17:43 if I recall correctly - he was very strict, very, very strict.
17:48 I remember him as saying to the people in his study,
17:50 "You play by the rules or you get out of my study."
17:54 Because he had to be able to show whether this
17:56 worked or not and if people aren't going to follow it.
18:01 I met him, he's a lovely man.
18:05 Yes, so that was like a whole food plant-based diet,
18:09 and the water and particular foods that were helping him,
18:12 so that's really good.
18:14 Well before we go on, I think you were going to ask me
18:17 about the heart again. That's alright, yes.
18:18 One of the things I learned very early when I was
18:21 learning more about psychology, was someone
18:23 who was a heart specialist and did a talk for us.
18:25 And he was saying that stress is a huge factor in
18:28 causing blockages about the arteries and that because
18:31 it's like having racing cars in your veins
18:33 because the adrenalin speeds up
18:36 the flow of blood and what it does,
18:38 it knocks cells off the wall and now you get a build up
18:42 that causes blockages, so I suspect he was probably
18:45 a very stressed man, not just physical stress but probably
18:49 emotional stress or mental stress that would have
18:52 contributed because he was such a chronic case.
18:56 So it's amazing what can happen when we're stressed.
18:59 And so what you're saying, you're talking about the
19:02 mind-body connection now and in this program, we like to
19:05 look at the four aspects of what makes up a human being;
19:08 mental, physical, spiritual, social - all of those
19:11 things play a role in making us well or, if they're neglected,
19:14 or abused, then it contributes to not being well.
19:18 Well a prime example is the heart-brain connection
19:20 because the heart talks to the brain more than the brain
19:22 talks to the heart. Oh really?
19:24 Yes, which is interesting and what happens is that
19:26 every movement, every flutter of the heart gives the brain
19:29 a message and this is why when the brain receives messages,
19:33 and it thinks the heart is being compromised at all,
19:36 what it will do is flood more adrenalin,
19:38 it kicks in the adrenals.
19:40 Your survival brain, the part of the brain that says
19:42 "We've got to survive," and it actually works against
19:45 itself at that point because adrenalin is going to get
19:47 the heart up - race the heart and it spikes and it is
19:51 uneven - the beating becomes uneven, you're getting
19:53 this sort of effect and we want this effect.
19:55 We want it to be really even, particularly the beats
19:58 between the heart need to be even.
20:00 So you use that connection and they find that if you calm
20:04 the heart rate, you actually help the survival brain
20:08 to shut the adrenals off and to then allow the whole system
20:11 to coordinate again - that's what we call "homeostasis." Yes.
20:15 So we have been given an amazingly wonderful
20:20 ability to balance the whole system
20:22 purely by calming the heart.
20:23 Now you're going to show us how to do that. Yes!
20:26 Alright, I'm very, very interested in this.
20:28 Okay, one of the things they found with the heart
20:30 that when you put your hand on your heart,
20:32 (this is now in research), when you cover the heart with the
20:34 hand, it actually calms the heart. Okay.
20:37 So putting your hand here, helps and then what I get people
20:40 to do is to breathe into the hand space and into the lungs.
20:44 Yeah, most people either shallow breathe or start from the
20:46 bottom, you know, work from the diaphragm up.
20:49 This is the reverse - it's like feeling the heart there
20:52 and then you just breathing in and...
20:54 Into the lungs?
20:55 You have the people tuning in to join us in this.
20:58 It actually feels lovely.
20:59 It actually just feels lovely from that moment.
21:03 Well what happens when you have someone...
21:05 yeah, you have a shock or distress - often people
21:08 will... like that - they grab the heart. That's right!
21:10 So the whole system is geared to automatically
21:13 do things like that.
21:15 Isn't that interesting, we just do it instinctively,
21:18 not even understanding.
21:19 So if you do a slow breath in, just breathing in slowly,
21:23 I try and get people through the nose if their nose
21:25 isn't blocked and then slowly out through the mouth
21:27 just like breathing through a straw and do that
21:30 to about the count of 5 in and count of 5 out.
21:33 What happens, the heart rate stops spiking and
21:36 jagged and what it does is it starts to do this...
21:39 Just like that - that wouldn't take long.
21:41 Just 1, 2, 3 of those breaths will do it.
21:44 And then this is where they had scientifically hooked people up
21:47 to equipment and EEG machines and things to
21:51 monitor and have a look at what happens when you
21:53 change the way you breathe. Isn't that incredible!
21:55 And it's become a very important point that I found
21:59 in helping people, particularly with trauma because
22:01 most people with stress and trauma, their heart rate
22:04 is doing 100 miles an hour and it's all over the place. Yes.
22:06 And the brain cannot focus and settle when the heart
22:10 is like that.
22:11 So shall we do this a couple of times? We can do this.
22:14 Let's just try it, I mean I'm very...? actually.
22:17 so I've got to be careful I don't touch my microphone again.
22:20 That's okay. My hand here on the heart,
22:22 and then we're just going to breathe in for 5.
22:24 Yes, just slowly breathe in.
22:26 lung and heart.
22:27 and watch your microphone.
22:28 Get your stethoscope out and see if it's working. Laughter.
22:32 Okay, you're going to count this in and count this out?
22:34 Okay, so I'm breathing in through the nose slowly.
22:38 Feeling it here and going into... And going that way.
22:40 So you feel it here first. Just do the one.
22:42 Let's do the one alright? Okay.
22:43 So off you go... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and then just purse your lips
22:51 like through a straw... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I feel fantastic!
22:57 Yeah, and then if you do that a couple of times,
23:00 you'll find your whole system will calm and you
23:02 actually align - we have a three-brain system
23:05 including the survival mechanism that will settle
23:07 and focus back in the present
23:09 and you'll be back in balance.
23:10 The emotions will settle; if you're an anxious person,
23:13 the fear will dissipate.
23:14 Yes, beautiful! Thank you for that.
23:16 And for those tuning in, I hope you've tried it,
23:20 and I hope you will.
23:21 And at any time when you're feeling stress or even not,
23:24 perhaps sometimes we feel stressed...
23:26 Put your hand over your heart and just do a few breaths,
23:28 and be kind to you and think of pleasant things
23:31 because the brain will like that. Yes.
23:34 That's been very, very, very helpful and inspiring.
23:37 I've got to say that, John, absolutely inspiring
23:40 to think that a person with all of those ailments,
23:43 not just one - emphysema would be bad enough,
23:48 and never mind congestive heart failure and diabetes and so on.
23:55 So those altogether and for him to be not able to
23:59 walk across the room and then become so well - is just
24:04 an amazing thing and just with such simple things.
24:07 I mean, I say simple and they are simple but challenging
24:11 to change because that's our biggest thing - habits can be
24:17 something that really gets a hold of us.
24:19 But it sounds like he had support like he went
24:24 to a church, so I guess he had friends and a
24:26 support network there that would have played a role.
24:29 Yeah the friends at church were very supportive. His wife?
24:33 His wife was definitely there to make the foods he
24:36 was supposed to eat but I don't think... she really
24:39 did it for herself - it wasn't like she lost
24:42 a lot of weight or anything.
24:43 Alright, but she did it for him and that's huge isn't it
24:46 because that's another thing that impacts on our health
24:49 is the social aspect of our lives.
24:52 And people who are the most socially isolated
24:54 have between 2 and 5 times the death rate of those
24:58 with close social ties.
25:00 So we're very complex beings and all of these things
25:04 have an effect - even the spiritual part which
25:06 would have been playing a role.
25:08 Perhaps he didn't even realize that but it does because
25:11 there's been about something like 1,200 studies
25:15 on the relationship between spirituality
25:17 and health in the last number of years.
25:20 And they all showed positive results.
25:22 Absolutely amazing but yes.
25:24 I went to a conference on "spirituality and health,"
25:27 and it was an absolute eye-opener!
25:29 And spirituality just seems like it helps the immune
25:33 system and brings more blood flow to the frontal
25:38 part of the brain, the executive part
25:40 where we make decisions, where the will is
25:43 and spirituality. More motivation. Yes.
25:45 Yeah, better outcomes from surgery.
25:48 And when you've got all four going together,
25:51 there's a synergy. It is.
25:53 Yeah, it's greater than some other part... so when you've
25:57 got them going together, you get some amazing
25:59 absolutely amazing outcomes.
26:01 It is, I'm very impressed with this man and his outcome
26:04 because it took a lot for him to reverse it,
26:08 to start that journey out, particularly in
26:09 the condition he was in.
26:11 His brain would not have been very coherent or working well.
26:14 Oh no, and after he went on the program and we would see him,
26:19 his eyes were wide open; he started studying the Bible
26:22 a lot more and really, he got back his brain!
26:27 Yes. Yes. You see, with those conditions,
26:30 he would have lacked oxygen in the brain; therefore, the brain
26:33 couldn't function well and focus.
26:35 No, and that's right, you get sick and then you don't
26:39 have so much ability to do the things you need to do
26:41 to be well, so fortunately his wife, at least
26:43 was supportive of what he needed to do
26:46 even if she wasn't following the program.
26:48 And that's a shame that we have to have something like that
26:53 happen to be sufficiently motivated to
26:54 to do something about our health.
26:56 And wouldn't it be good if we could do it sooner.
26:59 And Jeni, I think you talk sometimes about baby steps.
27:02 Yes, we really need to just focus on that initial goal
27:05 and do what we can do because that will give us momentum
27:09 to do the next step, and the next. Yes!
27:11 The brain can cope with little chunks, but can't cope
27:13 with looking at the whole lot, and that's probably
27:15 what he did - he just saw his health and it's horrible
27:17 and there was nothing he can do about it. Yes.
27:19 But you gave him a purpose, and you gave him steps to do
27:22 and once he focused on doing that little bit more,
27:25 that little bit more - makes a huge difference. Yes.
27:27 So I would definitely encourage people tuning in to,
27:31 even if you're not sick, even if you haven't got
27:33 anything really bad going on, why not get in
27:36 before that happens and just prevent that because
27:41 it's just not a nice place to be, is it - when you're that
27:46 sick and you might even lose hope and so on.
27:49 But if you do have some health concerns
27:51 and it may not be the diseases that we've talked about,
27:54 but if you do have some health concerns, then definitely
27:58 just do something!
28:00 You know, do something that's going to make you better.
28:03 Well, I don't know that we would have answered
28:05 all your questions today, but if not,
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28:29 And remember, today is the first day of the rest of your life!
28:34 God bless you all.