Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. John Clark, Jenifer Skues
Series Code: HL
Program Code: HL000012A
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00:15 Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
00:17 I'm your host Margot Marshall. 00:18 Pain can be horrible and if it's prolonged or frequent 00:23 it can significantly impact on the quality of our lives. 00:27 Are there lifestyle practices that can reduce chronic pain 00:31 such as back pain and arthritis? Stay tuned! 01:10 Joining me in the studio we have Jenifer Skues, a health 01:13 psychologist and Dr. John Clark. 01:15 Welcome to Jenifer and welcome to you, John. Thank you! 01:18 Thank you for joining us in this program. 01:20 And pain really is just something that can really 01:24 spoil lives and be very, very challenging to 01:27 the person suffering and the people who love them. 01:31 So would you like to lead off and we want to hear 01:34 some solutions today if there are some for people about pain. 01:39 Thanks so much, John. 01:40 Personally, I'm allergic to pain. Laughter. 01:42 I think many people are, you're not alone. 01:45 And our story today comes from the United States. 01:51 A lady came to some of my meetings where I was 01:54 giving a presentation on back pain. 01:58 This lady had had pain since she was in, what we call, 02:02 junior high school, 7th and 8th grade. 02:05 She was on muscle relaxers and narcotics during that time, 02:11 and then she graduated; she got married; 02:14 she had her first child but during the pregnancy, 02:18 she couldn't be on all these muscle relaxers because babies 02:21 don't need that kind of drugs. 02:22 And so she spent her entire pregnancy in and out of 02:26 bed doing physical therapy exercises so that she could 02:31 endure her back pain. 02:34 She went on to live a life where she started her own 02:37 business doing seamstress work and she would often work 02:42 in the garden on the weekend for an hour or two, 02:45 but it would give her back pain that would keep her 02:47 from being efficient in her work during the week. 02:50 When she got into her 60s, the pain was getting worse 02:54 and so she decided to go for medical help. 02:57 She had an MRI scan of her back and she went and saw 03:01 a spine surgeon. 03:03 He offered to do a big spine surgery where he would take 03:08 out multiple discs; put in titanium discs; put rods and 03:12 screws in her back and not long after having this consult 03:17 with the spine surgeon, she came to my meetings 03:21 unbeknownst to me and didn't even talk to me that I 03:25 ever recollect during that time. 03:28 But she came to this topic on back pain where I present 03:32 all the principles of why people have back pain and what 03:35 they can do about it, lifestyle-wise, to fix it. 03:39 Well, I came back to that community six months later 03:44 and she made an appointment to see me. 03:47 And I often see patients on the go while I'm on the road 03:51 just to give them advice. 03:53 Well she came along and she wanted to tell me her story, 03:57 And so we sat down and she told me the story about junior high 04:01 as I've related and she says, "You know, when you gave that 04:04 talk on back pain, I decided, okay this probably 04:07 won't work but I'm going to give it a 10-day trial. 04:13 I'm going to try your program for 10 days." 04:16 Okay, here's a lifetime of back pain starting - 04:19 Yeah, I was just working it out, if she was 04:22 what 13, 14- somewhere there, early teens and now she's 04:26 in her 60s, that's more than 40 years. 04:31 Many years of suffering! 04:32 Most of her life. Yes. 04:34 And so we sat down and she said she had decided 04:38 she'd give it a 10-day trial and she did. 04:41 But after 7 days, she was feeling so good, she decided, 04:44 "I'm going to go work in that garden." 04:46 She worked in the garden for 4 hours with absolutely 04:50 no pain and the next week, no pain and when I saw her 04:55 in 6 months, no pain! 04:57 And so by changing her lifestyle, she had changed 05:01 her life and she had gotten back her life and she 05:05 had gotten over her back pain. 05:07 That's amazing! I'm very, very, very interested to know 05:11 what you told her, but before we do, I'd like to hear 05:14 a little bit from you, Jenifer. 05:16 Okay, well I do have a lot of clients who suffer back pain 05:19 and it's a very difficult thing for people. 05:22 It impacts their life because they get depression and anxiety; 05:25 their high stress levels; they don't sleep well because 05:28 of their pain - so we have sort of multiple disorders, 05:31 but there are a number of things I've found out or realized 05:34 about what causes the pain and why it's maintained and it 05:37 isn't always the injury. 05:40 There are things like what we call "cellular memory" 05:42 where the body has a memory and when a blow has happened 05:45 to the body or you're in an accident and there's pain, 05:49 the cells remember it. 05:50 And then further down the track, events that are 05:53 similar to, because that memory is triggered by the 05:55 five senses, so it might be the sound of an accident, 05:58 you know, the body responds with that same pain and 06:01 people don't connect it. 06:03 I have a very good example of that and many, many years ago, 06:06 I went overseas and I was given a smallpox vaccination, 06:09 and if anyone has had one, they're very painful, 06:11 but I had a really bad reaction and was very sick for a while. 06:15 And they use a little pinprick and that didn't heal, 06:19 it took a long time - a few weeks 06:21 to really sort of calm down and 12 months exactly 06:25 to the day, for a number of years, it would flare up. 06:29 And I knew that because I checked my passport because 06:31 I thought well I had that last year and then it 06:33 happened again, so it was a number of years before my 06:36 body's memory disconnected that pain factor. That's amazing. 06:41 And I didn't understand it then, but now I understand 06:43 that every cell has a memory. 06:46 Yes, I've actually heard that from Dr. Arlene Taylor 06:49 talking about cellular memory, it's quite fascinating. It is. 06:52 John, do you want to give us some of the strategies 06:55 that you gave to this lady that helped her? Yes! 06:59 You see, when you're dealing with back pain, 07:02 you're dealing with a big problem that has 07:04 to do with blood flow. 07:05 A lot of times the blood going to the spine is not sufficient 07:11 and so what we're doing when we start targeting 07:13 the lifestyle factors that will help, we're helping 07:16 improve blood flow. 07:17 We actually have this saying in lifestyle medicine that 07:20 "Perfect health depends on perfect 07:23 circulation." I've heard that. 07:25 And if you doubt that, try stopping circulation, 07:28 health decreases rapidly. 07:30 But many people don't realize that when you have half 07:33 enough circulation, you probably have half enough health. 07:36 And so that's the area where we've worked 07:39 to improve the circulation. 07:41 So for her, for my program that I set out in the lecture, 07:46 I had them drink a lot more water. 07:49 A lot of people don't keep the blood vessels full of fluid. 07:52 If they're only half full, they're more concentrated 07:55 and it takes water to help wash out inflammation 07:58 and improve circulation. 08:01 The next thing that the program depends on is good exercise. 08:06 You see if you exercise, you pump the discs in your back. 08:11 Studies have been done on these discs showing that 08:14 if somebody eats a meal and then just sits down, 08:19 the food particles never make it into the disc, 08:23 but if they get up and walk around, 08:26 they pump the discs and then the nutrition 08:30 will make it to the center of the disc. 08:31 You see, discs don't necessarily have blood vessels going 08:34 through them - they depend on nutrition coming in from 08:38 the outsides through diffusion or soaking in as we might say. 08:42 That's something I didn't know. 08:44 Alright, so that's adequate water hydration 08:46 and then exercise. 08:48 Exercise! 08:50 Those two things, is there more? 08:51 And the exercise should be periodic and so I have 08:55 them get up in the morning and take a walk. 08:57 Walking is the best exercise for pumping those discs. 09:00 I had them take a walk immediately after breakfast. 09:03 It's a good time to walk to make sure the blood doesn't 09:05 all stagnate to the stomach, had them walk immediately 09:08 after lunch for the same reason and then for the water, 09:12 we have them drinking water periodically through the day, 09:15 usually 3 liters; one when they get up, one 2 hours after 09:18 breakfast and one 2 hours after lunch. Alright. 09:21 And then the food choices that we recommended that 09:26 I used in that particular lecture, I had them eating 09:28 a whole plant food breakfast. 09:30 About half of which would be something like oatmeal 09:33 and the other half would be fresh fruit. 09:36 And then for lunch, lots of fresh green leafy vegetables, 09:40 lots of salad-type things, maybe making up half 09:43 for lunch but no oils and no foods that are created through 09:47 inflammation, through bacteria eaten on the food 09:52 as in rotting foods, spoiling food, ageing food like 09:55 vinegar. 09:56 Some people say, "Well, but I was told to take apple cider 10:00 vinegar for my arthritis." 10:02 And you think, Okay, well some people ask me, "Wasn't 10:05 that a good idea?" I say, "Well, why don't you be 10:07 more natural and just eat the rotten apples? Laughter! 10:12 And people realize right away, 10:13 "Okay, that is a rotten apple, isn't it?" 10:15 And what would happen if you took one of those rotten 10:18 apples and instead of squeezing it into a bottle for vinegar, 10:21 you threw it in a batch of good apples, 10:22 what would happen to the good apples? 10:24 They'd go bad. They all go rotten! 10:25 So what happens if I eat a rotten apple or take 10:27 rotten apple juice - otherwise known as organic 10:29 apple cider vinegar with the mother and put it down 10:32 here in my salad where it's warm - what happens to my salad? 10:35 It all goes rotten! 10:36 And you look on labels, there's vinegar in bread; 10:39 there's vinegar in salad dressings; there's vinegar 10:41 in Vegenaise, mayonnaise, ketchup, tomato sauce, 10:45 and so people end up causing themselves trouble by 10:49 eating things that sort of light the fire for inflammation. 10:52 So the diet was like that, it's very interesting. 10:56 I'll tell you another story. 10:57 I had a lady came to me with serious knee arthritis 11:00 and back pain. 11:02 She was also suffering from leukemia. Okay. 11:06 She was on narcotics for pain from the leukemia, 11:10 from back pain and from the knee. 11:11 She was on disability. 11:13 She had had to quit her job, she was a postal worker. 11:17 And she came to me with this cancer and this arthritis 11:21 and so we set her up on a very similar program but we made 11:25 sure she wasn't getting any inflammatory foods in her diet. 11:28 And we had her doing hot and cold showers to stimulate 11:31 blood flow and I left that community because I was 11:36 usually in a community for about two weeks and then 11:38 would move on to another community to do meetings, 11:41 and some of her friends called me and "Ah, you wouldn't 11:44 believe what happened to Dottie (they called her Dottie, 11:47 that was her nickname)." 11:48 "You wouldn't believe what happened to Dottie." 11:50 I said, "Really? What's going on?" 11:52 She said, "She came to our group and she was shaky; 11:57 she was sweating; she felt like her heart was pounding 12:00 too fast and she felt like she was under anxiety; 12:04 she didn't know what was going on and then she realized, 12:08 "I haven't taken my morphine in 5 days." 12:11 Ah, she was going through withdrawal. 12:13 She was going through withdrawals - there was no 12:16 pain to trigger her need for narcotics and so she had 12:20 totally stopped and so today, she is drug-free, pain-free! 12:26 Isn't that wonderful. Yeah. 12:27 Amazing! 12:29 And that sort of brings to an important concept here 12:31 that there are foods that feed pain and there are foods 12:37 that fight pain. 12:38 You eat fried oils, you can expect pain. 12:42 You eat lettuce, tomatoes and avocados and cucumbers, 12:46 and all the good fresh fruits and vegetables, you can expect 12:49 pain to be a lot less. 12:51 This has to do with inflammation isn't it? 12:53 Which foods cause inflammation and stop inflammation 12:56 which is a wonderful thing. Yes. 12:58 Jenifer, you've got a few thoughts and different 13:00 strategies that can help with pain and I think 13:03 one of them was "pet therapy" which really appeals to me. 13:07 I've had pets as long as I can remember, 13:10 except until quite recently, but we were 13:12 not allowed to have them. 13:13 All this comes back to really being in the present 13:16 moment and doing things that connect the body and get the 13:20 good hormones going in the body. 13:22 And there are a number of things, pet therapy is 13:24 amongst them, I mean humor is another one. 13:26 When we laugh we produce lots of good endorphins which 13:29 are your happy hormones. Yes. 13:30 But they've done an interesting number of experiments 13:33 on pet therapy and they found that in one I read about 13:38 that they were taking a dog into an elderly folks home 13:43 who were often bedridden or in chairs and they had this 13:48 older lady sitting in a chair and they wired her up 13:50 and they did blood tests and they did the same to the dog. 13:53 And so they monitored both the dog and the lady and they 13:57 found that when she patted the dog and she connected 14:00 with the dog, that she got lots of these endorphins 14:02 or happy hormones and it really helped her just to be 14:06 in the present and feel good. 14:07 And as well, endorphins decrease pain, so they're 14:12 a very good antidote to pain. 14:14 It's like we've been given something in our body 14:16 that helps us with our pain and when we get the 14:19 endorphins going, the pain level goes down. 14:22 These endorphins, they're related to 14:23 morphine, is that right? 14:25 I don't know about that but it's possible. 14:28 Well they do say they're like hundreds of times 14:32 more powerful than morphine. Yes. 14:34 The endorphins are that good at reducing 14:36 pain and I've found that, but the interesting thing 14:39 with this experiment was that when they measured 14:41 the dog, the dog was having the same response. 14:43 Aw, isn't that precious! With the endorphins which is 14:46 what wags its tail, it's almost smiling! Yes. 14:48 So when they both interacted, they both got the benefit. 14:51 Oh, isn't that special! Yes. 14:53 It's a wonderful process. Not just one way. 14:55 So, yes, we do have a natural pain relief but how many 14:59 people when they're in pain laugh? 15:02 No, they don't, not unless they've got someone 15:05 to make them laugh. 15:07 Well I've found that with my father. 15:08 He was in a lot of pain in a nursing home for many years and 15:12 when I'd go in and talk to him and get him laughing, afterwards 15:15 - "Ah, that was so good, I didn't feel any pain. Yes! 15:18 See, because of this phenomenon. 15:19 Completely had their mind taken away, it distracts them. 15:22 Well, one, it focuses you in the present but it also 15:24 gets the endorphins going that bring the pain levels down. Yes. 15:28 You have any more thoughts there, John? 15:32 I had a patient came to me, she was actually a member of a 15:35 church I was attending and she would 15:38 often complain of back pain. 15:39 In fact, it would keep her from working, keep her from 15:42 coming to church. 15:43 And so I was practicing orthopedic surgery 15:48 back then and so I invited her to come to my office. 15:52 You know, come to my office, let's check out this pain, 15:54 and see if there isn't something that can be done. 15:57 And so she came to my office and we sat down and I had her 16:03 fill out a sheet of paper with some facts before she sat down. 16:07 She just filled the paper clear full and had written 16:10 in the margins and OH, okay! Laughter. 16:14 And so I asked her, "Well just tell me about 16:17 the back pain and how did it all begin?" 16:19 "Oh, 30 years ago, I was out on the farm an MY HUSBAND, 16:24 (laughter) made me lift the tongue of a really heavy 16:27 trailer, he should have known better than to make me lift 16:30 that and when I lifted that, I felt something go "pop" 16:33 in my back and I have NEVER been the same again!" 16:38 And the story sort of went on and on between what her 16:41 husband made her do and she was upset and I'm like, 16:45 "30 years ago, okay, what didn't heal?" 16:47 Bones heal in 3 or 4 months, ligaments, tendons and 16:51 muscles heal in 3 or 4 months, what didn't heal? 16:54 And, you know, it's like it doesn't fit physiology. 16:58 Why is this happening? 17:00 And, I realized, you know, with a big story like that, 17:04 the emotional mental factors. 17:07 The emotional pain was to do with the body's pain. 17:09 The body's memory again, every time she thought of 17:11 her husband, she thought of that event and the back was 17:13 going out in sympathy, literally. That's right! 17:17 And so I thought, "Okay, what she needs help with is 17:22 the mind-body connection." 17:24 So I had a set of audio CDs that were by some psychologist, 17:30 like Jeni, who cover mind-body connection things 17:33 and I loaned them to her. 17:35 And I said, "Here, listen through these, take some time 17:39 with them, sort of follow what they're saying see if it 17:42 isn't your case and isn't helpful." 17:45 Well, she listened to this and she was delighted! 17:48 "This is wonderful; this is just it; this is ME!" 17:52 And her pain went away and for 3 weeks, she cleaned house, 17:57 she gardened, she planted wild flowers out in the pasture. 18:01 She did all kinds of things and then whether subconsciously 18:06 or consciously, she realized that that farmer-husband 18:09 of hers didn't give her any attention unless she had some 18:12 physical ailment to complain about. 18:14 She got back her back pain and she got back her attention, 18:18 and at that point, I said, "Okay, I'm outta here, 18:20 if I solve the back pain, I've ruined the marriage." 18:23 But all to illustrate the mind-body connection is 18:27 huge in back pain. 18:29 There were several things there because one of them is the 18:33 illness behavior - she found that when she was having 18:36 pain, he gave her lots of attention which she wanted, 18:38 so that kept it going. 18:39 So that's the illness behavior, you learn to get 18:41 attention through your illness, 18:43 and did she ever recover from that? 18:45 You don't know? You don't know? Okay. 18:48 The other one is when we have a traumatic event 18:51 which is what she had - that was traumatic, but she 18:54 blamed her husband for it. 18:56 But a lot of the people I deal with actually have trauma 19:00 where they'll have an injury caused by 19:02 an accident for example. 19:03 So when they've had the trauma and the back has been injured, 19:07 then they go and have surgery and they've got plates 19:10 or screws and rods and all sorts of things which is highly 19:13 traumatic and the whole body doesn't like it - so they have 19:17 a more complex pain process because it's not just an 19:20 injury and some of those were injuries but they hadn't had 19:23 like that first lady, she didn't go and get surgery. 19:26 If she had, she'd probably would have had more problems 19:28 because she's got things that are going to aggravate it. 19:31 So I find I have to help people deal with it 19:34 in other ways as well, and yes, listening to your 19:37 dietary principles, I do do some of those and get them 19:40 on to the right diet and plenty of water. 19:42 But I have found that, in nature, there's an magnesium 19:46 chloride oil which they harvest from the sea and it's a 19:50 natural, it's not a true oil that it absorbs but it 19:54 actually helps to relax muscles; relaxes and heals the nerves, 19:58 and it also reduces inflammation as an anti-inflammatory. 20:01 So I often get them to do things like rub that 20:04 on the area as well - so they have extra things that help 20:07 because they've got this permanent aggravation 20:10 within their system. Yes. 20:12 The other thing I have to do is help them 20:14 to release the trauma because they are carrying a 20:17 traumatic memory from an event and it's not just 20:20 in the body, it's also in the mind and the emotions 20:23 and the nervous system. 20:24 So then we do some things to help them to allow the 20:28 body to correct itself. 20:30 And then, of course, we look at stress management 20:32 and relaxation strategies. 20:34 You say, "Allow the body to correct itself," 20:36 what do you mean? 20:38 When the nervous system reacts to an event and it actually 20:41 freezes it, it can't release it, every time the person has a 20:46 memory of that event and it might not be a conscious 20:49 memory, it might be that person who was in a car accident, 20:52 is out somewhere and they hear an accident nearby, 20:55 and they find their body is starting to react because 20:58 the body responds to that. 20:59 But if I get them to realize that's what the body is doing 21:02 on a conscious level and then I use the breathing that we have 21:06 talked about before to slow the heart rate down, even it out 21:09 and what happens is it helps the nervous system 21:12 to release the stress of that event 21:14 that they've just dialed up. 21:15 Could there be unconscious cues, 21:17 things that they're not even aware of? 21:19 Well there are unconscious cues but that's where because it's 21:21 embedded in the five senses. 21:23 Our memory bank in our brain is a 5-sense around 21:26 video, it's not just the 2's, it's not just, you know, 21:29 sight and sound, it's all five senses - so it can do 21:32 with touch, sight, sound, smell, taste. 21:35 And when an event occurs, all of those senses are 21:39 embedded with the event, so if there are certain smells 21:42 around the accident, for example, they might go to 21:45 a garage and they smell a certain smell, it can 21:48 trigger the response. Oh okay, alright. 21:49 And we haven't mentioned arthritis, perhaps we 21:53 can have a little word about that, John. 21:56 Well the principles of back pain are the same principles 21:58 with arthritis and maybe we'll touch on the exercise 22:03 in arthritis - some people think, "Okay, well you know, 22:05 I'm not going to exercise too much because I don't want to 22:07 wear out my knees before retirement because I'm going to 22:10 need them during retirement to walk around 22:12 and see the world on my pension." 22:14 But in reality, if you don't use it, you lose it and what 22:18 happens with your cartilage, just like with your discs 22:21 needing pumped, your cartilage needs pumped. 22:24 It won't get nutrition to the cartilage if you don't use it, 22:28 and as you're walking, your cartilage is going pump-pump, 22:31 pump-pump and you're getting nutrition to it. 22:34 And that would also help you understand why we might 22:38 say weight loss is hugely helpful for arthritis. 22:42 If you have a pair of knees that are supposed to handle 22:47 100 kilograms and you weigh 200 kilograms, 22:50 what do you think has happened to the warranty on those knees? 22:53 It's going to run out a lot sooner, isn't it? 22:55 It's going to run out a lot sooner and the more weight, 22:58 more wear and tear, the more arthritis. 23:01 And so weight loss is actually hugely beneficial 23:04 for reducing arthritis and the symptoms of arthritis. 23:08 You can imagine if you weighed nothing, how would you 23:10 have any arthritis - on the other extreme of the spectrum. 23:14 And so our last discussion of weight loss really applies 23:18 a lot to arthritis as well. 23:21 Now in the food section again, thinking about what 23:24 foods are good for your cartilage, your cartilage is 23:28 made out of collagen. 23:30 Collagen if you look under a microscope, looks like a 23:33 rope, a 3-strand rope that is wound in a spiral, 23:38 and it so happens that vitamin C is the vitamin that is needed 23:45 to make that collagen wind in a spiral. 23:49 And you may have heard of what happens when you have no 23:52 vitamin C - the British sailors would get scurvy and so they 23:57 started keeping something on their ship to keep them from 23:59 getting scurvy that would give them vitamin C. 24:01 Does anybody know what that was? 24:03 Limes - I believe. Yes! 24:04 They called them "limees." That's right. 24:08 And so, if you are low in vitamin C, you have three times 24:11 the risk of getting arthritis, and vitamin D, 24:15 it doubles your risk if you're low in it for arthritis. 24:18 You want to make sure you get vitamin D from the sun; 24:20 get your vitamin C from good fruits and vegetables - fruits 24:23 like kiwi, oranges, lemons, pineapple. 24:28 And when you're sufficiently nourished, then you're 24:32 much less likely to get arthritis. Is that right? 24:36 Isn't that amazing, it seems to always come down 24:39 to the common denominators, does it? 24:41 You know, the good nutrition, the plant-based diet, exercise, 24:44 water and it just seems to be underlying all of the... 24:49 that we've even talked about which is pretty much 24:51 most of them by the time this series is complete, 24:54 that's really amazing. 24:56 Dr. Rosemary Stanton is the foremost dietitian in Australia, 25:01 and she said that a diet dominated by plant foods 25:07 is almost certainly the way of the future - not only for 25:10 our personal nutrition but for the health of the planet 25:13 because really we can't sustain the production of animal foods 25:18 and we really can't now, and it's just getting more so. 25:20 So the evidence is all there and wherever you turn, 25:24 whether it's the "World Health Organization" or the 25:26 "Australian Guide to Healthy Eating," 25:27 or people who really shall I say not controlled by 25:36 vested interest, if I could say it that way, 25:38 they will tell you that this is the need - Dr. Esselstyn 25:42 and Colin Campbell, and so on. 25:44 The evidence is definitely all there. 25:47 Magnesium also is a key factor with arthritis and that's 25:51 why having the right food diet would help that, 25:53 but depletion of magnesium causes crystallization 25:57 of the calcium because it puts the calcium in the bones. 25:59 If we don't have it, then it's going to 26:00 crystallize and go into the joints. 26:03 So using again the magnesium oil can help to help with that. 26:07 Yes, you were saying that the other day 26:10 and I've really taken note of that. 26:13 Thank you for that, Jeni. 26:14 Anymore thoughts there that we 26:17 haven't really covered today, John? 26:19 Another therapy that we'll use for arthritis is charcoal 26:23 poultices which might seem like an unusual thing, 26:27 but I'll give you an example. 26:30 What we do is we make up a mixture of charcoal and some 26:33 food thickener that will make it into a playdough that 26:37 we can apply over a knee or an arm or an elbow or something, 26:43 and I had a gentleman who was camping next to me, 26:47 we were out in our caravan, and I asked him how he 26:50 was doing and we sat down and talked. 26:53 He was like in his 70s and he was still working, 26:56 driving a flatbed semi and I asked him, "Well, 27:01 how are you doing healthwise?" 27:04 And he said, "Well you know, I had arthritis in my knees. 27:06 All those years of jumping up and down from the flatbed 27:09 of the truck had worn out my knees and I went to see 27:12 my primary care doctor and they sent me to the orthopedic 27:15 surgeon and the orthopedic surgeon 27:17 signed me up for knee replacement." 27:19 And he said, "Well then my friends who knew 27:23 something about charcoal poultices said, "Well why 27:26 don't you try a charcoal poultice?" 27:28 He said, "I put a charcoal poultice on my knees 27:30 and the pain went away, and I'm wondering why 27:33 did I sign up for surgery?" 27:34 And so he ended up using charcoal poultices, 27:38 canceled the surgery and that was 3 years later. 27:41 He said about three times a month, he would put on a 27:44 charcoal poultice to take away the pain. 27:46 How would that work, how would charcoal help? 27:50 Charcoal pulls out the inflammation so that the knees 27:53 can recover on their own. 27:55 Isn't that such a simple thing to do? 27:57 Well that's all we have time for today but you can view our 28:00 programs on demand by visiting our website at: 28:04 3abnaustralia.org.au 28:06 Just click on the watch button and you can download 28:09 our fact sheets. 28:11 Now if you have a health concern that you'd like 28:13 to discuss with Dr. John or with Jenifer Skues, send an email to: 28:18 healthyliving@3abnaustralia.org .au 28:22 and join us next time for more secrets of healthy living. 28:25 God bless you! |
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