Healthy Living

Cholesterol - The Number One Killer

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript

Participants: Margot Marshall (Host), Dr. Eddie Ramirez


Series Code: HL

Program Code: HL000023A

00:15 Welcome to "Healthy Living!"
00:16 I'm your host Margot Marshall.
00:18 Globally, more people die annually from cardiovascular
00:22 diseases than any other cause.
00:25 But most cardiovascular diseases can be prevented
00:28 and even reversed by addressing
00:31 behavioral risk factors. Stay tuned.
01:10 We tend to associate heart disease with old people.
01:13 Could it be that young people have a false sense of security?
01:17 Let's ask today's guest, Dr. Eddie Ramirez,
01:20 how young do people need to be to experience heart disease?
01:26 They can actually start all the way down from being infants!
01:31 Oh my goodness! That's young.
01:35 As we have changed things the way they usually
01:38 are supposed to work, we're starting to see actually
01:43 heart disease from babies size, and many times due to the
01:49 introduction of formula and so forth
01:53 instead of the breast milk.
01:55 And there are small, little injuries that start to happen
02:00 in the arteries of those babies.
02:03 But more worrisome is as we move to the beginning of
02:09 adulthood - once we finish adolescence, there are many
02:14 studies that have documented that some of those
02:19 young people, at that young age, already have advanced
02:25 heart disease. Advanced.
02:27 That's right. Advanced heart disease
02:28 at what age are we talking about?
02:31 For example, let's see on the screen a published study
02:35 that came out a few years ago.
02:37 You can see in the top part, it's a 19-year-old person,
02:44 he has atherosclerosis and you can see where the arrows are
02:51 on the top row - that is plaque in the arteries of his heart
02:59 already at 19 years old.
03:02 That's very young to be getting it.
03:04 That is very young and you know, you may say,
03:08 "Well I saw the graphic and it is just a little bit, big deal!"
03:12 Big deal! Yes, it is a big deal.
03:14 See, if you study how fluids flow, you will understand
03:21 that when you decrease the diameter just a little bit,
03:27 you're actually decreasing flow quite a bit.
03:31 The question goes that the radius elevated to the
03:35 4the power - so in other words, a 10% decrease in the
03:41 diameter of the artery does not decrease blood flow by
03:45 10% but by much more! Wow.
03:50 So it is a big deal and then if you can see
03:53 in the graphic again, the lady on the bottom, 33 years old,
03:58 if you can see that whitish material, this lady has about
04:07 half of her artery of her heart clogged
04:11 already with atherosclerosis.
04:15 At just 33 years old. Just 33 years old.
04:17 Now this is the fascinating thing - if you were to talk
04:20 to this lady and you ask her for the common symptoms
04:25 of heart disease - you know, when you go up a flight of
04:30 stairs, do you feel that you need more air than what you're
04:34 having; do you get pains that run through your neck;
04:37 through your arm and so forth; she does not
04:41 have any of those symptoms.
04:44 Yet she has an extremely advanced heart disease case.
04:50 And this is the sad thing about this - many times, this is
04:55 happening silently and that's why people may not be
05:00 aware that they need to make changes until disaster comes,
05:04 the heart attack, the stroke and so forth presents.
05:08 How do arteries actually get clogged?
05:10 That's right. How does this happen?
05:12 That is actually a very good question.
05:16 There are many processes that are involved in this,
05:21 and you have many key players.
05:26 One of them is the factor of inflammation - we don't have
05:30 time to talk about it in this program but many times
05:35 exposure to things from stress, you know, too much stress
05:42 happening to the wrong types of foods,
05:45 this can lead into that.
05:49 And the interesting thing is that these cases that I was
05:53 presenting to you - that is not something that happens
05:57 once in a while, this tends to be happening often.
06:03 Even in a second study we can actually see on the screen,
06:06 we can see how in this study in which young people
06:11 died of a violent death, they did an autopsy and 78%
06:18 had heart disease in an advanced type of stage.
06:25 So, I mean, this is a lot of people.
06:28 This is from 100, 78 of those young people.
06:33 Wow that's dreadful, I mean you're talking advanced,
06:37 advanced heart disease at that age.
06:39 And this is dangerous!
06:40 See, just the last patient I saw coming to the hospital
06:45 with a heart attack, within 15 minutes he was dead!
06:49 That's how dangerous this is.
06:53 Yes, because you were saying it's really symptomless.
06:57 Often people are not getting any signs or indications
07:01 that this is creeping and creeping and creeping up,
07:04 and also being so young, they're not expecting to get
07:08 what we always considered diseases of old age - are they?
07:11 That's right because that's exactly the term - that is
07:15 very correct and in the old days this was called
07:17 "a disease of old age."
07:19 You would see it in 70s, 80s.
07:21 Now you're starting to see it in people as young as 50.
07:24 Even in their 40s some people are actually having their
07:28 first heart attack.
07:29 And coming a little bit back to your question on the
07:32 origin of the problem, we need to understand
07:36 a very important part of our blood vessels.
07:41 The inner most layer of your blood vessels is called the
07:46 "endothelium," and this plays an essential part in the
07:53 health of not only your heart, your brain but your
07:58 whole body.
07:59 Think about it this way - every cell in your body has some
08:05 basic requirements.
08:06 You need to have good nutrition; you need to have
08:10 good supply of oxygen and as these cells are working
08:15 they generate waste products and those waste products
08:18 need to be removed.
08:21 How does this process happen?
08:23 A key player in this is the endothelium.
08:26 As the oxygen, as the nutrients are circulating
08:30 in the blood vessels, they need to pass through the endothelium
08:36 then they're able to reach the cells and the organs,
08:40 and so forth where they are needed, then the waste
08:43 products need to come out and come back
08:46 all the way across the endothelium, reach the blood
08:49 then they go out and the blood gets rid of them.
08:52 So that endothelium, that nice big word you're talking,
08:54 that's just the actual lining of the blood vessel.
08:58 That's right! It's very, very thin.
08:59 It's a very delicate area. Very, very thin.
09:02 So think about it this way, imagine that you are
09:07 blocking that lining just a little bit - it is a big deal!
09:13 That means that those nutrients, that oxygen
09:18 and those waste products are not able to have
09:23 that interchange correctly.
09:25 And you know, there are some very fascinating studies,
09:27 for example, that show that many back pains have their
09:32 origin there. Really?
09:33 See, in your back, you have very thin blood vessels,
09:40 and sometimes those blood vessels get damaged with
09:45 atherosclerosis.
09:47 So as those blood vessels get damaged -
09:50 And atherosclerosis is that buildup.
09:52 That's right, that buildup of that plaque
09:54 that forms in the arteries.
09:56 That's building up and we've got those blood vessels
09:59 in the back - in the bony part. Um hm.
10:02 So as the back bones and cartilage and so forth
10:09 cannot get a good supply of oxygen - as they cannot
10:14 get rid of the waste products, then what happens in the
10:18 cartilage is you start getting a cartilage that starts to
10:23 grow in strange forms and there are
10:26 peaks and things that form there.
10:28 A similar process you find it in the knees; a similar
10:32 process; you find it in the hip and osteoarthritis
10:37 is something very common, unfortunately in Australia.
10:41 Many times you can trace this to issues in the lifestyle
10:48 that could have prevented this.
10:50 That makes a lot of sense really,
10:52 doesn't it, when you think about it.
10:53 I love the way that you explain that, Eddie,
10:55 it's very simple and I've got a picture in my mind now
10:58 of this very thin, about one cell thick, isn't it?
11:03 That's right!
11:05 But when that's blocking and there's no passages,
11:08 as you said, the nutrients and all that,
11:10 and then these things are trying to get across
11:13 that causes irregularities, makes a whole lot of sense,
11:16 doesn't it? Absolutely!
11:18 When you first said, "Well that could cause back pain,"
11:19 I'm thinking - "How does that work,"
11:21 but you've explained that really well.
11:23 OH, so this is not good is it?
11:26 Yes, so this is a process that didn't happen overnight. No.
11:32 These are one after another, after another issues
11:38 in the lifestyle that create the environment for this to happen.
11:44 See, the blood vessel - when you see it in a microscopic way,
11:49 you will see that it has lots of immune cells
11:54 just watching around.
11:55 You notice this, when you're driving here in Australia,
11:58 I see that very often, you know there's this police there with
12:00 the little camera there trying to make sure everybody
12:03 is behaving and everything is under control.
12:06 In the same way, you have immune cells lined up
12:11 there throughout the blood vessels.
12:14 They're just watching making sure everything is fine,
12:16 but see, the problem comes when the person eats
12:22 oxidized cholesterol.
12:24 Oxidized cholesterol. That's right!
12:26 So let's define oxidized cholesterol.
12:28 See, what happens when you leave your bicycle outside
12:33 in the rain, in the sun and everything?
12:35 It's going to get oxidized. Rusty!
12:38 So things that are exposed to the environment,
12:43 they tend to oxidize.
12:46 So in the same way, cholesterol when you expose it to
12:52 the environment, it oxidizes and it changes its form,
12:58 and becomes extremely toxic to the body.
13:01 That's why when you eat this oxidized cholesterol,
13:06 you eat it through your mouth, it goes through your stomach,
13:08 it goes through your intestines, gets absorbed in the blood
13:11 and it's circulating around while it's being processed
13:15 so when those cells of the immune system see that
13:20 there is some cholesterol running around,
13:23 they go and eat it to stop it from causing harm.
13:28 Sort of well protecting you and then they probably
13:33 lose their own life and are self-sacrificing.
13:37 Because once they eat it, it is so toxic,
13:40 they cannot do anything but stay there - the cell dies,
13:44 and the cholesterol stays there.
13:46 Now if you were to do this once a year, I mean nothing
13:53 is going to happen to you.
13:54 But you know, day after day, week after week,
13:58 oxidized cholesterol, oxidized cholesterol - you are creating
14:03 a huge problem and let me tell you an interesting fact.
14:06 Mothers - when you compare the milk of a human to the
14:14 milk of a cow, which one you think has more cholesterol?
14:19 Well they would both have cholesterol -
14:21 Yes both have cholesterol.
14:23 But you're saying which one would have more.
14:25 More cholesterol. I don't know.
14:27 Actually, the mother's milk actually has more cholesterol.
14:32 More cholesterol than the cow's milk. That's right!
14:34 But you know, mother's milk is not harmful to the arteries
14:38 of the baby. Why is that?
14:40 Because that milk does not get exposed to the environment.
14:47 The mother's milk comes out of her breast and straight
14:52 to the mouth of the baby, no chance for oxidation,
14:55 so very good and very healthy that milk.
14:59 So that's a hint, you know, you want to drink milk
15:03 that is not oxidized - go and find a cow and hang
15:07 yourself like, of course, for issues of hygiene, you know.
15:13 I wouldn't recommend that but that would be the way.
15:15 But see, in the old days when you would get the milk,
15:22 and you would leave that milk laying around,
15:25 what would happen to the milk?
15:26 Well it would probably grow old.
15:28 It would separate. Oh, separate yes.
15:30 You know, you don't see that today and I'll tell you why. No.
15:34 Yeah, the cream.
15:35 That's right, the cream and the serum, you know,
15:38 gets separated.
15:40 Now the reason why when you go to the market to buy
15:44 cow's milk, the reason why it's not separated
15:47 is because today we run a special process on milk
15:52 in which we put high pressure on a very small hole and milk
15:58 gets mixed like that and in that way it doesn't separate.
16:03 But think about what we're doing, we are putting that milk
16:09 and we're making small droplets of milk and every single
16:15 one of those droplets is being exposed to the air
16:21 basically oxidizing that milk so that milk
16:25 has high levels of oxidized cholesterol.
16:28 And then you add sugar to that mix and you even
16:34 oxidize even further that cholesterol.
16:37 Oh my goodness, so the bottom line is we're talking
16:40 about mother's milk having more cholesterol than cow's milk,
16:44 but you're saying that mother's milk doesn't
16:46 create any difficulties because it was not oxidized.
16:49 That's right! But the cow's milk does.
16:54 Exactly! So it's beneficial, it's good for you,
17:00 and so forth.
17:03 So an indirect indicator, there are many indicators
17:06 that things are well or not well would be the cholesterol levels.
17:10 You know, we have found out that there is C-reactive protein
17:14 and many other very important key players.
17:17 But still cholesterol does play a very important role
17:22 in the development of atherosclerosis.
17:25 We can predict, you know, if you have high levels
17:29 of cholesterol and high levels of LDL cholesterols,
17:32 you are in big risk of developing this atherosclerosis
17:37 in your arteries.
17:38 Now milk is not the only place where we're going
17:41 to get cholesterol or even oxidized cholesterol.
17:44 So where else might that be a problem.
17:46 So as a general rule, let's try to learn this.
17:51 Any animal product has cholesterol. Right.
17:56 Cholesterol is only found in animal products.
18:00 So we're talking about the eggs, the cheese, the meat,
18:04 the chicken and so forth.
18:08 Now the good news about the levels of cholesterol,
18:11 I actually have had the privilege of publishing
18:15 in the scientific literature about this topic. Okay.
18:19 We can see on the screen a study I presented in a very
18:24 important meeting, "The American Heart Association,"
18:27 these were actually my personal patients.
18:31 And, I was demonstrating here that in a community base,
18:37 I'm not living with them or anything, I just took a
18:41 blood sample and then I started doing some education.
18:44 I started opening their eyes, where the cholesterol
18:47 comes from; how to substitute foods; how to start doing
18:51 some exercise; how to drink more water; how to rest more
18:55 properly and in two weeks I took blood samples again.
18:59 And the study here demonstrated that even the bad cholesterol,
19:04 the LDL cholesterol quickly starts coming down in a
19:10 matter of two weeks.
19:11 That's incredible! Just a couple of weeks!
19:13 Just a couple of weeks.
19:15 And to what extent roughly was that reduction?
19:18 That's right, the reduction was very interesting.
19:21 It was related to what level of cholesterol they had.
19:26 the higher the level of cholesterol, the more
19:30 that it decreased - isn't that fabulous?
19:32 It is actually because it would be a problem if you had
19:36 normal cholesterol and it decreased - you wouldn't that.
19:38 That's right! But isn't it interesting
19:40 how the body just seems to have its own little gauge
19:43 and regulations?
19:45 In fact, here in Australia I actually have friends that are
19:49 involved in research and they run a program called,
19:52 "CHIP," if you want to lower your cholesterol
19:56 in a physiological, natural without suffering type of way,
20:02 find a "CHIP" program in your area and participate in it.
20:07 That's "CHIP," and we're not talking about the
20:10 deep-fried ones. That's right! Laughter.
20:12 That stands for "Complete Health Improvement Program."
20:16 Correct, that's right!
20:18 And I've run many of those and I've seen what you're
20:20 talking about. Congratulations!
20:22 You are doing a blessing to the communities here in Australia!
20:25 Yes they are, they are just incredible.
20:27 But look, what we find people being told usually -
20:30 if they're trying to avoid heart disease or if they've got
20:33 high cholesterol and so on, if so, will eat white meat
20:36 and low fat dairy products. That's right.
20:38 What do you have to say about that?
20:39 That is an excellent way of ending up with a heart attack!
20:44 There was a fabulous published study that came out
20:49 a few years ago in which we compare the classic
20:54 counsel as you're telling me; the white meats,
20:57 the low fat dairy and they were very carefully monitoring people
21:04 that they were just to eat that.
21:07 They compared that against a full plant-based vegetarian
21:12 diet and you know what happened?
21:14 Those people that were following the white meat
21:18 counsel - those people started developing atherosclerosis.
21:23 How many of them? Eighty percent of them
21:26 started having progression of their atherosclerosis.
21:30 It got worse? It got worse!
21:32 And you know, I see this in medical consultation.
21:35 Some patients somehow get on the internet or somebody else
21:39 tells them about it and they're eating all this chicken
21:43 and so forth, and they tell me, "Doctor, I'm so tired
21:46 of eating chicken that I'm even getting some feathers out."
21:52 "And why is my cholesterol not coming down?"
21:54 I tell them, "You know, well I have bad news for you,
21:56 your cholesterol is not going to go down with that diet."
22:00 While the people that were doing the full plant-based diet
22:06 also known as a vegan diet, actually their cholesterol
22:11 started coming down and when they ran imaging studies
22:14 to see what was the status of the atherosclerosis,
22:18 atherosclerosis was decreasing in their body.
22:22 How much? Eighty-five percent of them atherosclerosis
22:26 started reversing.
22:28 And you know, I have 23 years that I have worked
22:32 in lifestyle centers in Norway, in Africa, in America,
22:35 and many other places in this world, and I have seen
22:39 this personally - it's not that I read about it or somebody
22:43 told me - my own eyes have seen this.
22:46 So what we need to do, we need to analyze populations
22:50 that are doing good and try to learn from them. Yes.
22:55 For example, I have a picture that I personally took
22:57 from Africa and these people in Tanzania invited us to eat.
23:03 And you can see there, there's a pot of beans,
23:06 there is some sort of chapatti-tortilla type of thing.
23:11 There's a sauce; there are fruits and
23:15 there is some avocado, that was their meal.
23:17 See, people down there follow a plant-based diet
23:21 because there are no stores to buy products.
23:25 You have to plant your meals if you want to eat.
23:31 Now, people down there - that's what they eat usually
23:35 every single day!
23:36 Many of them are not healthy-oriented or whatever,
23:40 but that's what they HAVE
23:42 to eat. That's just what they
23:43 eat and that's just what they use to eat.
23:45 I mean some people, for example, they can go and
23:49 catch a monkey and eat it, but I can tell you,
23:53 catching a monkey is not something very easy.
23:55 That's not something you would do every day, you know.
23:59 No, it just doesn't appeal to me very much either,
24:01 I quite love monkeys actually.
24:03 Yeah, so that's great, you've actually seen
24:06 this happen and it just happens quickly, isn't that beautiful?
24:09 And one of my favorite words that I hear you use is this
24:12 reverse thing.
24:14 I mean it's marvelous not only that you can halt a disease
24:17 and stop it from getting worse, but that you can actually
24:20 turn it around and quickly. Absolutely!
24:22 That's the beauty of this.
24:24 Let me share - yes go ahead.
24:26 And measurably quickly because you do the blood test
24:29 you do all the measurements and so it's not just
24:32 people saying, "Ah yeah, yeah, I think
24:34 that worked." That's right.
24:35 You know clinically that it really did work.
24:38 There is Dr. Caldwell, he is actually a coauthor
24:43 with me in a book I wrote.
24:45 The book I wrote is called, "Rethink Food,"
24:48 and we are coauthors on that book.
24:50 I have that book. Yes!
24:53 And Dr. Caldwell did a fabulous study in which he was showing
24:59 how this reversal is happening with imaging studies.
25:04 So what they did, they did some angiograms in which
25:07 you put special solution through your veins,
25:11 then you take an x-ray and in that way you can see
25:13 the real condition of the arteries. Yes.
25:15 Let's see that on the screen.
25:18 You can see on the left side, that is before the experiment.
25:23 You can see the diameter, as you follow that and when
25:26 you see the white lines, suddenly the diameter
25:29 decreases dramatically.
25:30 All that I want you to imagine that plaque of atherosclerosis.
25:35 And then 36 months without cholesterol-lowering
25:40 medication, just a full vegan vegetarian diet,
25:43 you can see the same artery of the same patient on the right,
25:46 and this is published in the scientific literature.
25:48 Yes, I've seen that, that's in his book,
25:50 Dr. Caldwell Esselstyne - he came to Perth
25:53 one time when we were there and gave some talks.
25:55 It was really remarkable.
25:57 And I like the way that he calls it - he said,
25:59 "Heart disease is a tiger that doesn't have teeth."
26:05 So you don't have to get bitten by that tiger,
26:10 and even if you're choices have not been the best,
26:13 you still can change it.
26:15 See, the reason why the famous "Viagra," the medication
26:20 for male issues is so common today is because it's an
26:27 indirect reflection of how much atherosclerosis is in our midst.
26:33 A lot of that impotence can be directly
26:38 linked to atherosclerosis.
26:40 And a wise physician knows that when you are starting to
26:44 have those types of physiological problems,
26:47 the same thing is happening in your heart and your brain,
26:52 and you are a very high risk for heart attack or a stroke.
26:58 There is no need to have these problems. Right.
27:01 So erectile dysfunction is actually the warning sign that
27:07 something else really bad is going on.
27:09 In many of the cases, that is the case, so beware of that.
27:14 A really big wakeup call and I think it's probably one that's
27:18 works very well for men too.
27:20 That's right, I've seen the reversal in clinical practice,
27:25 I can tell you story after story.
27:27 I would highly advise you to give a chance for this
27:32 whole foods plant-based diet to work in your body
27:35 and you will see the huge difference. Yes.
27:37 Yes, Dr. Esselstyne is actually an Olympic athlete.
27:43 He won gold actually. That's right.
27:45 And as much as he believed in exercise, he didn't even
27:48 include that in his study because he just
27:52 wanted to show what food could do.
27:53 But, of course, if you exercise as well, then you'd
27:56 certainly do even better.
27:59 Well we hope this has been a really helpful program to you.
28:02 I'm sure in many, many ways it has been and just to think
28:06 that you can make such incredible changes so quickly
28:10 and it's just great to be able to just turn your health around.
28:14 Your health is very precious and I'd really encourage all of you
28:19 to think of at least one thing that you could do today
28:22 to live your life to the full.
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Revised 2019-11-12