Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Tom Shepherd
Series Code: HPOV
Program Code: HPOV000028A
00:01 Heaven's Point of View
00:15 Hello I'm Shelley Quinn and this is Dr. Tom Sheperd 00:19 and we welcome you to Heaven's Point of View. 00:22 This is a series on love, marriage, sex and divorce 00:26 and today we are going to be talking about 00:29 instructions to wives. 00:31 One of the key concepts in the Bible, 00:33 of having a "Blessed Marriage" is to submit to the Lord 00:40 and be in submission 00:42 and that's what we're going to be talking about today. 00:45 Yes, we've been looking in the book of Ephesians already 00:47 but now we're going to look specifically 00:49 at the instructions that Paul gives to people 00:52 in the Christian household, 00:53 so we want to turn to Ephesians chapter 5, 00:56 and we're going to read the entire passage 01:00 because Paul has instructions for the entire household 01:04 and sometimes it's... people will listen to... 01:07 or read part of it but not the whole thing, 01:10 so, Ephesians 5 verses 21 through chapter 6 verse 9 01:15 so a little bit of a section. 01:17 All right... Ephesians chapter 5 then verse 21, 01:20 "Submitting to one another in the fear of God. 01:24 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 01:27 For the husband is head of the wife, 01:29 as also Christ is head of the church: 01:32 and He is the Savior of the body. 01:34 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, 01:37 so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. 01:40 Husbands, love your wives, 01:42 just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 01:45 that He might sanctify and cleanse her 01:47 with the washing of water by the word, 01:49 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, 01:53 not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, 01:56 but that she should be holy and without blemish. 01:59 So husbands ought to love their own wives 02:03 as their own bodies; 02:05 he who loves his wife loves himself. 02:08 For no one ever hated his own flesh, 02:10 but nourishes and cherishes it, 02:13 just as the Lord does the church. 02:15 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 02:19 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother 02:24 and be joined to his wife, 02:26 and the two shall become one flesh. ' 02:28 This is a great mystery, 02:30 but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 02:33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular 02:36 so love his own wife as himself, 02:38 and let the wife see that she respects her husband. " 02:41 Chapter 6... "Children, obey your parents 02:45 in the Lord, for this is right. 02:47 'Honor your father and mother' 02:49 which is the first commandment with promise; 02:51 'that it may be well with you 02:52 and you may live long on the earth. ' 02:55 And you, fathers, 02:56 do not provoke your children to wrath, 02:59 but bring them up in the training 03:01 and admonition of the Lord. 03:03 Bondservants, be obedient to those who are your masters 03:06 according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, 03:09 in sincerity of heart, as to Christ; 03:12 not with eye service, as men-pleasers, 03:15 but as bondservants of Christ, 03:18 doing the will of God from the heart, 03:19 with goodwill doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 03:23 knowing that whatever good anyone does, 03:25 he will receive the same from the Lord, 03:27 whether he is a slave or free. 03:30 And you, masters, do the same things to them, 03:34 giving up threatening, 03:36 knowing that your own Master also is in heaven, 03:39 and there is no partiality with Him. " 03:42 Hmmm... hmmm... quite a passage. 03:44 That is quite a passage, it covers it all doesn't it? 03:47 It does, yeah, when you go back over this passage 03:50 and take a look at it, you notice that there are 03:53 pairs of people, wives and husbands, 03:57 children and parents, slaves and masters, 04:01 now, these were groupings of people 04:04 or different roles people had in the Greco-Roman household, 04:08 and so, you have these two pairs 04:12 and he responds, and he speaks to each, 04:14 so he has something to say to everybody in the household 04:17 that's kind of the first thing you can take away from it 04:20 and he has something to talk to... each of them. 04:23 We've already noted in the context 04:25 that we've studied before this, 04:28 the importance of being filled with God's spirit 04:31 and that the filling of the Spirit, 04:35 is expressed in the verses 04:38 just before what you've read for us 04:40 just before that... it is expressed in five... 04:43 what we call... participles... or... 04:45 well, they are "ing" words in English 04:48 like running and hopping and singing, 04:50 those would all be participles 04:51 okay... and it's kind of like a verbal adjective, 04:54 and there are five of these in verses 19 to 21, 04:57 speaking, singing, praising, thanking and then, surprise... 05:02 submitting, so... knowing God's will for the house 05:08 is what... the household, 05:09 the people that make up the Christian household 05:11 is what we're going to be talking about. 05:13 It's the household instructions and it can only be fulfilled 05:17 if a person is filled with the Holy Spirit, 05:20 only by the Spirit is it possible 05:22 for us to really do what Paul now tells us to do. 05:26 Okay, so, the key phrase is in verse 21, 05:31 it's not uncommon that Paul in writing will 05:36 sort of give a thesis statement and then he'll explain it 05:42 okay, so the thesis statement is really here in verse 21, 05:47 so maybe we should read that one verse once again. 05:50 Verse 21, "Submitting to one another in the fear of God" 05:57 how does yours read? 05:59 Mine says, "Submitting to one another 06:01 out of reverence for Christ" 06:03 yeah, there's a difference in some manuscripts 06:05 have the word, "God," some have the word, "Christ," 06:07 but it's reverence or fear that they have, 06:11 so, there's a... there are actually two aspects 06:14 to this thesis statement, okay, 06:16 the first one is the idea of "submission" 06:20 and the second one is the idea of "in the fear of Christ" 06:26 all right, so we got to unpack these two ideas. 06:30 So, what does submission mean here? 06:33 Well, the Greek word is "epotasso" 06:37 some pronounce it hupotassó and it means to... 06:41 in the active voice it means 06:45 "to subject or subordinate somebody" 06:47 to put them underneath someone 06:50 now, it's actually a compound word, 06:53 with the word "epo" or "hupo" which means: under or below 07:00 and the word "tasso" and tasso is a... 07:03 was a military word, 07:04 it was a word that you used to line up troops, 07:07 you would line up the troops, 07:09 and get them ready for battle, see... 07:12 so, "epotasso" is to put somebody under 07:15 like... the control or the direction of somebody else 07:18 the English word that we would have for that 07:21 would be to subjugate, okay, 07:23 but here it's not in that form, it's in the, what we call, 07:27 passive voice, and in the passive voice, 07:30 it means to be subject to subordinate oneself 07:34 or to submit to somebody else. 07:37 It's a willingness to be under someone's authority if you will. 07:44 Okay, so, that's the kind of concept here, 07:48 now, it's interesting that he says, 07:50 "You submit to one another. " 07:53 Right. 07:55 Submit to one another, we got more to say about that, 07:57 we'll talk about that in a little bit, 07:58 but, first we want to look at... 08:01 further at this idea of reverence for Christ 08:05 or the fear of Christ. 08:08 So many people misunderstand that word, "fear. " 08:10 It's true, it's true, we got to unpack that 08:13 so, but, the fear of Christ or the reverence for Christ 08:16 is the reason why you submit. 08:19 That's the reason why you submit to one another 08:22 it's because of reverence for Christ, 08:25 it's like... if you go back to the story of Joseph, 08:29 and Potiphar's wife wants him to go to bed with her, 08:33 and he has this wonderful explanation he gives to her, 08:37 he says, "My master has made me in charge of all the household," 08:41 so first, I have a relationship with my master, 08:43 "and nothing in this house is under... 08:48 has he reserved to himself, 08:51 except you because you are his wife 08:53 so I have a relationship with to the master, 08:55 I have to be faithful to the master, 08:57 you, by the way, are his wife, 08:59 and ought not to be asking me that, right?" 09:02 Okay, but then he goes on and he says, 09:05 "How could I do this and sin against God?" 09:07 He's living in the presence of God, 09:12 that's this concept of "fear," he has this reverence for God. 09:15 And I love that Scripture because to me it proves... 09:18 it's one of the proofs that God's Ten Commandments 09:20 were in effect before Mount Sinai, yeah. 09:23 Right, before Mount Sinai, okay so... 09:26 so here's this idea of reverence or fear... 09:29 And that's what that word, "fear" 09:31 when some of us, in English, if we say, "fear," 09:34 it's kind of to... Tom: Afraid... 09:36 Yeah, and you're just start trembling and afraid but 09:39 here the word "fear" is like a "reverent awe of God. " 09:43 Yes, you could say it's somewhat like 09:45 going to Niagara Falls. 09:48 Okay. 09:50 Niagara Falls is beautiful but you have respect for it, 09:53 you don't get too close because it's so powerful 09:56 because it could kill you if you stood under the water, 09:58 it's just so powerful, so you have a... you fear it... 10:03 in the sense that you notice how powerful it is, 10:06 you respect that and you don't play with it 10:11 so actually in Scripture when the word 10:12 "fear... the fear of God" is used, 10:14 there's a little bit of that trembling because you recognize 10:17 He's powerful, He's no... 10:18 well as C.S. Lewis said about Christ figure 10:22 in his Narnia books, that the Aslan figure, 10:25 this Lion... and he said, "he's not a tame lion" 10:27 he's not somebody you just... 10:30 I love the analogy of the Niagara Falls, 10:32 that was really good. 10:34 Yeah, so, this relationship to Christ sets the course 10:38 for all the relationships within the Christian home, 10:41 that's important to recognize, the relationship to Christ, 10:45 this fear of Christ, this reverence for Christ, 10:47 sets the course for all the relationships 10:49 in fact, it modifies all the relationships. 10:51 So, may I... let me make sure we're understanding is that... 10:55 when we say that it's essential and sets the course, 11:00 that the husband is in fear of the Lord, 11:02 that the wife is in fear of the Lord, 11:05 that the children are in fear of the Lord, 11:06 because this is how the whole system of submission works. 11:11 Yeah, like, say the... the relationships are modified, 11:15 see in the Greco-Roman world, the father was pretty much it, 11:18 he was called the "Pater familias" 11:20 and he was large and in charge, 11:22 he was... everything was in his hands, pretty much, 11:25 the Apostle Paul takes in... shifts this idea 11:28 because everything is in relationship to Christ, 11:31 it's a Christian home, don't be surprised, 11:33 so everything is in relationship to this fear for Christ, 11:38 you don't just do anything, so, it sets the course 11:41 it modifies relationships and it sets limits, 11:44 limits on how much submission there is to be, 11:47 limits on how power is to be used 11:50 all of these things are related to this idea 11:53 in reference to Christ, okay, 11:54 so, we probably should understand a little bit more 11:58 about how Paul uses the idea of fear and kinds of fear. 12:02 Keep our hand here in Ephesians, 12:04 mark that one so you don't lose it, 12:07 and turn over to Romans 8 verse 15, 12:10 Paul uses the word, "fear" in a variety of ways, 12:15 this is just one of them, Romans 8 verse 15, 12:19 Romans 8 and verse 15, says, "For you did not receive 12:26 the spirit of bondage again to fear; 12:29 but you received the Spirit of adoption, 12:32 by whom we cry out, 'Abba, Father. '" 12:34 All right and notice the word "fear" is there isn't it? 12:36 Yes. 12:38 And that you would fall back into fear, all right, 12:41 what does that mean, well, it's referring back to 12:45 the person before they knew Christ, 12:47 and this fear of judgment that you're under God's judgment 12:51 and you're afraid of that, he doesn't want you to 12:54 fall back into that kind of fear because 12:56 you've been redeemed. 12:57 So, that's what John... in 1st John... when he says that 13:00 "Perfect love casts out fear" that's what he's saying. 13:03 Yeah, yeah, that kind of fear... the fear of judgment, okay, 13:04 now, he does use the term a lot 13:07 to refer to reverence and awe for who God is... 13:11 the Creator, the Savior, it is respect for His authority, 13:14 maybe one of the good ones for us to look at 13:18 is Romans 11 verse 19, 13:21 since we're already in the book of Romans, 13:22 just turn over to Romans 11 verse 19, 13:24 it's kind of an interesting verse 13:27 where the Gentiles are talking about 13:30 how the Jews were... fell away... 13:33 so that... and then they came into the church, 13:36 look at verse 19. 13:37 Romans 11:19, "You will say then, 13:40 'Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. '" 13:44 Am I in the right place? 13:45 Yes, hmmm... hmmm... keep going. 13:47 "Well said, because of unbelief, 13:49 they were broken off and you stand by faith. 13:53 Do not be haughty but fear... " ah ha... 13:58 So he doesn't... 13:59 in chapter 8, he doesn't want you to fall back into fear... 14:01 the fear of judgment, but he wants you to realize 14:05 that when you're a Christian, and if you get proud, 14:08 you know, he says, "Wait a minute, 14:11 this pride... you have no basis for this pride" 14:15 he says, "these branches were broken off, 14:17 so that I can be grafted in that's true, 14:19 but you only stand by faith, 14:21 so don't be proud, instead, have reverence. " 14:25 Yeah, because if God broke off the natural branches, 14:28 he said, He can break you off. 14:29 He can break you off as well, that's exactly right, 14:32 so you have to have reverence for God, 14:34 he uses it a number of ways but basically we can suggest 14:39 that the idea of the fear of God 14:42 has two effects on the Christian, 14:44 one is it guards the new life 14:47 against the false security 14:50 that you can just do as you please, 14:52 and second, it guides the new life 14:54 so that you live for Jesus, it guards it and it guides it, 14:58 so reverence for Christ means, 15:00 yes, you recognize you have been saved, 15:03 you recognize that it's by the grace of God, 15:06 you stand by faith and you dare not trust yourself. 15:11 You can have assurance of salvation 15:14 but you're not to be presumptuous to think that 15:17 you can live loosely and still count on that assurance. 15:22 Yeah and just do as you please... 15:23 Your life now is in relationship to Christ, 15:27 so you must follow him, it guards the new life 15:30 and it guides the new life, those two different ideas. 15:33 That's excellent, so now, before... 15:37 this is fear before Christ, now, he also... 15:42 Paul used the word to respect other humans. 15:47 Yes, he does, in Romans 13, I guess we can turn to Romans 13 15:50 we're all in Romans here, Romans 13 verse 7, 15:52 Romans 13 and verse 7 says, 15:59 "Render therefore to all their dues: 16:03 taxes to whom taxes are due; customs to whom customs; 16:08 fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. " 16:13 Yeah, so respect or fear to whom... 16:14 so, the people that are 16:16 in positions of authority in Government, 16:18 we should respect them because they have that position, 16:21 the God-given position of taking care of Society, 16:25 so you respect them, 16:26 over in Ephesians 5 that we've been looking at, 16:29 he will talk about this within the family, 16:31 he tells the wife to respect her husband, 16:33 okay... to have that kind of respect for him as well, 16:37 so, we can summarize all of this, 16:39 we can say that Paul calls for submission to one another 16:44 placing oneself under another person's leadership, right. 16:48 Now, the atmosphere or reason for this 16:52 that you do this is because of reverence for Christ, 16:57 meaning deep respect for who He is, 17:00 what He has done and the future that He set before us, 17:03 so, there are certain things that you can do, 17:06 there are certain things that you cannot do, 17:08 I... many times when talking about this idea of fear 17:12 I tell a story to help illustrate it is, 17:15 a ten-year-old boy and chocolate chip cookies, 17:18 and his mother... my wife, by the way, 17:22 makes amazing chocolate chip cookies, 17:25 I'm coming to your house. 17:26 We have a ministry that we do where I visit the young men 17:30 in the dormitory and pray with them, 17:31 and the way to get in the door is those chocolate chip cookies, 17:36 and they really love the chocolate chip cookies 17:41 that she makes and they appreciate prayer 17:43 but this ten-year-old boy... he comes in, 17:45 and his mother has just made chocolate chip cookies 17:47 and they're just on the rack, you know, 17:49 they're warm and still fresh and the chocolate is still warm 17:53 and moist... and so he comes in and he looks around 17:57 and he doesn't see his mother... 17:59 and the smell of those wonderful cookies, 18:02 and he's inching closer and closer, 18:04 he's about to take one of those cookies 18:06 when his mother walks into the room, 18:07 he starts whistling and he starts walking off and says, 18:11 "I'm going to play baseball, Mom, see you later. " 18:13 Now, why couldn't he take that cookie? 18:15 Out of respect for his mother, 18:18 fear for this mother. 18:20 If he were to put his hand on one of those cookies, 18:23 you can be sure that she would say, 18:25 "Young man, what do you think you're doing? 18:26 You can't eat that cookie now, wait till after dinner," 18:28 you know, she would lay it to him, 18:30 so because he lived in the presence of his mother, 18:34 see... he couldn't do that thing. 18:37 Oh! boy, that's wonderful. 18:39 Because he had respect for her. 18:41 Because if we think about that, then out of... 18:43 if we are living in that awareness of the divine... 18:47 awareness of Christ's presence in our life, 18:50 if we're living, then we won't do things 18:52 because, we recognize he's there and we wouldn't do that. 18:57 Yeah, there are some things you can do, 18:58 and there are other things you cannot do, 19:01 there are some things you must do, 19:02 there are some things you must not do 19:04 and he says that the submission 19:07 that is the terminology 19:09 that controls the entire household code, 19:13 is all in relationship to this reverence for Christ. 19:17 You know, there is... and I know we're going to get more 19:20 into this in our next Program 19:22 but this is one thing that I had found 19:25 that... particularly it seems with younger women 19:30 who want to be more assertive in relationships, 19:35 who've... sometimes they'll just have such a difficult time 19:39 thinking about this idea of being submissive, 19:42 and I think we're going to talk more in the next Program, 19:46 this is not a doormat position but there can only be, 19:50 you know, any animal, in any... 19:52 if there's any animal that has more than one head, 19:56 it's a freak, and so there can only be 19:59 one head in the family, or it's a freakish family 20:03 but it's... it's... I always tell young brides 20:07 when we're counseling, I'll tell them, 20:09 the man may have been... God placed the man as the head, 20:13 of course, he has to be in submission to Christ, 20:16 but you're the neck that turns the head, you know, so, 20:20 it's easy for me to be submissive to my husband 20:26 because my husband loves me as Christ loves the church 20:30 just like the Scripture says. 20:32 Well, we'll see much more of this as we walk through this 20:35 because we got like three programs to try to understand 20:38 this idea of submission and what it means 20:40 because it's very easy to be misunderstood, 20:43 and it's very easy to be abused, 20:45 there are people who will say, 20:47 "I am the head of this household" 20:49 you know, that will be very strong and forceful. 20:51 But now, Paul, you know, some people have the idea that 20:55 when Paul is saying, in verse 21, I believe it is, 20:59 that we are to submit to one another 21:02 that he's speaking of every member in the family 21:05 submitting to one another, 21:07 do you think that's what he's saying? 21:10 Well, yes and no, I used to say, "No" 21:14 but then I thought about it a bit more 21:17 as I was working in this class and of teaching this, 21:20 yes and no, now, here's the "yes" side of it 21:24 first we remember that verse 21 is the thesis statement 21:32 for the entire passage, right, 21:37 now, in many Bibles, if we look at that, 21:39 you might not sense that because, in my Bible, 21:44 the section chapter 5 starts with the title that says, 21:49 "walk in love" and it goes all the way through 21:51 verse 21, and then section... starting in verse 22, 21:54 seems to be a new section, "Wives and Husbands," 21:57 so people kind of separate it and say, 22:00 "Oh no, that's from the previous context, 22:02 that's not related to this at all," 22:04 well, there's a problem with that, 22:06 and the problem is this, 22:08 in verse 21 we have that last participle, 22:11 the fifth of the five... submitting to one another 22:14 and verse 22 doesn't even have a participle, 22:17 it doesn't have any verb at all, 22:18 no participle, nothing, now, that would be bad English, 22:22 but it's good Greek, 22:24 he borrows the idea of submission 22:28 from verse 21, and places it in verse 22, 22:31 so there's nowhere... when you read in your Bible... 22:34 So, there's no "submit" in verse 22 actually in the Greek, 22:37 It doesn't say, "Wives, submit to your own 22:40 husbands as to the Lord," it doesn't say that... it says, 22:42 "Wives to your own husbands as to the Lord," well... 22:45 Obviously, dependent upon... 22:47 On the previous verse... which means that 22:49 verse 22 is tied in to verse 21, intimate connection to it, 22:54 right, so, the first thing we start off with and we say is, 22:57 "Look, verse 21 is the thesis statement 23:01 for the entire passage" 23:03 and that will become more clear as we go on here, 23:05 but... so you have to take it by faith, a little bit now, 23:09 but if it's the thesis statement, 23:11 then, what we can say is, 23:13 if it only applied to some people 23:15 and not to everybody, 23:17 it wouldn't be the thesis statement, now, would it? 23:19 Okay, so, that's the first step, all right, 23:23 but we'll turn around and we'll say, 23:24 "Well, no, it's not submitting to one another 23:28 in the sense that the apostle describes pairs of people, 23:33 wives and husbands, children and parents, 23:38 slaves and masters, in each case, 23:41 these two pairs... there's a power differential 23:43 between them in the home, 23:44 it's easier seen with the children and the parents 23:47 or with the slaves and the masters, 23:49 obvious power difference, 23:51 so now actually, Paul is describing the same 23:53 between husbands and wives but when he describes this, 23:57 he never tells parents to obey their children, 24:00 I can hear some parents out there saying, "Amen," 24:04 but he never tells parents to obey their children, 24:08 he never tells masters to obey their slaves, 24:10 he never tells husbands, he never specifically says 24:13 when he talks to husbands, "submit to their wives," 24:16 so, in that sense, no... he doesn't say, 24:18 this term, "Submit to one another" 24:22 he doesn't refer to the leader, okay... 24:25 But he does tell the husband and the master and the parent 24:29 to be submissive to Christ. 24:31 Not only that but... he will illustrate each way 24:34 that these individuals are related to Christ 24:38 and how they are to use the power that they have 24:41 and he always modifies or limits that power. 24:45 Like the husbands are to love their wives 24:48 as they do their own body, they are... 24:51 parents are not to exasperate, 24:53 "Fathers don't exasperate your child 24:55 with strong discipline," 24:57 you're not to frustrate that poor child 25:00 and browbeat the child, 25:02 and the masters are to be kind to the slaves. 25:05 Yeah, they're not supposed to, he says, 25:07 "stop threatening" 25:09 now, actually a person who threatens, 25:12 this is a little strange but the person who threatens, 25:16 or a person who forces other people... 25:19 is actually weaker because 25:22 the other person doesn't recognize their power, 25:24 so they're having to show it, you see... 25:26 when people recognize your status or your power, 25:30 you don't have to go out of your way to force them to do so, 25:34 all right, so, 25:35 Paul always takes their position of power, 25:39 and he says, "Look, that power has to be used 25:42 to bless other people, so, in one sense, 25:47 he will say, "Yes, everybody submits" 25:52 everybody submits to Christ, 25:54 but everybody has a different role 25:56 and each role, whatever role you're in, 26:00 he will say, he will show... 26:02 as we walk through the husbands and wives 26:04 who we're particularly looking at 26:05 in this series of programs, in each of these cases, 26:09 he will show that you are to use 26:12 your understanding of Christ, 26:15 you should use that reference for Christ 26:16 to use what the Bible teaches about 26:18 your relationship to Christ, 26:20 now becomes the guiding spirit, the guiding direction 26:23 of how you are to relate to people in your family, 26:26 it is a Christian home, and he thoroughly Christianizes 26:32 the Greco-Roman household. 26:34 So that it isn't like the Greco-Roman household, 26:38 where the man was 26:39 the "all in all... crack the whip," not at all. 26:42 Oh my! you read some of those stories about 26:45 and what they said about women 26:46 and the women were stupid 26:49 or where they weren't as good as men, 26:51 and the men had to control them 26:53 and a whole variety of things like that 26:56 so, Paul is... 26:58 now, a lot of people today 26:59 they'll look at this and they'll say, 27:01 "This is terrible, he's so backwards, 27:04 he's so controlling," and so forth... 27:07 actually within that context of where you're speaking, 27:11 he's quite radical in terms of reordering the home 27:14 and making it a positive place for all members involved. 27:19 And I think that... we're out of time... 27:22 from what I know but, you're going to really enjoy 27:25 our study, the next couple of studies 27:27 on this because as I said, 27:29 when it's done properly, it is easy... 27:32 a woman will easily submit to her husband, 27:35 thankfully submit to her husband, 27:36 if she has a husband who is loving her 27:39 as Christ loves the church who is being that supportive 27:44 and looking for her benefit and it's not going to be 27:48 a situation... 27:49 we're not going to be trying to tell you that 27:51 you're supposed to be a doormat for your husband 27:53 because that's not it at all, 27:54 thank you so much, our time has long gone 27:57 we just so appreciate your being here, 27:59 and for those of you at home, our prayer is that 28:03 God will multiply His mercy, His love and His grace to you. |
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