Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Tom Shepherd
Series Code: HPOV
Program Code: HPOV000040A
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00:15 Hello I'm Shelley Quinn and this is Dr. Tom Sheperd
00:18 and we welcome you to Heaven's Point of View. 00:21 This series is on Love, Marriage, Sex, and Divorce 00:25 and this happens to be a program that you teach 00:29 as Professor of New Testament Interpretation 00:32 at Andrews University Seminary and we're so thankful 00:37 that you have brought this Program to us. 00:39 Glad to be here. 00:40 Now, last time we started on a rather interesting study, 00:46 we were looking at Romans chapter 1 00:48 and we were beginning to discuss the idea of homosexuality, 00:55 the practice of homosexuality. 00:57 I'm just going to turn this over to you 01:00 and let you kind of catch us up. 01:02 Okay, so, we looked at the outline of Paul's argument 01:07 from Romans 1 through 3 in particular 01:09 and more specifically in chapter 1 01:11 as we looked at what he had to say about the Gentiles 01:15 and their being lost, 01:17 we saw that he described three revelations, 01:19 he mentions the revelation of 01:23 God's righteousness in the gospel, 01:24 he mentions the revelation of God's wrath against sin, 01:28 and he mentions the revelation of God's power in creation, 01:31 he presents those in the reverse order from which they happened. 01:34 The first was Creation, the second was Wrath 01:37 and then the last to come was the gospel, 01:40 so, he puts them in that reverse order 01:42 because the theme of his book is the last one 01:45 which is the revelation of the righteousness of God. 01:49 But he had to indicate and show that people were in need 01:53 of God's help and so he lays out this description 01:58 of the revelation of Creation, revelation of Wrath, 02:02 and revelation of God's Righteousness. 02:05 We can say that 02:07 at the heart of this is God's primal revelation 02:10 which is his power and deity revealed through nature, 02:13 this revelation calls on us as creatures 02:17 to honor and praise the Creator, 02:20 but the human response to this beginning with Adam and Eve 02:25 and going on from there was rejection. 02:27 Instead of worshipping the Creator, 02:29 humans have worshipped idols. 02:32 And last... please give us the idea again, 02:36 the definition of wrath, that this is a reaction of God. 02:41 Yes, it's a reaction of God to sin and evil, 02:45 it's His holy hatred of sin, 02:47 it's not something that's not good about His nature, 02:52 but it is not... 02:53 it's also something that doesn't go on forever 02:56 because it's only a reaction, once sin is done, it disappears. 02:59 God's righteousness, His character, 03:02 His essence of love is permanent, 03:04 it is forever. - Yes. 03:06 His wrath is "holy anger against sin" 03:10 when the sin is gone, that wrath is gone. 03:14 Tom: Yeah. Shelley: Okay. 03:15 So, if we go back to talk about the primal revelation, 03:18 the very first revelation, 03:20 the one that is the most central one, 03:23 important... or, what shall we say? 03:25 Foundational, 03:26 it's God's revelation of who He is in nature. 03:29 His power and His deity. 03:31 Now, in response to that, there's what we could call, 03:34 "the primal sin," the original sin against God 03:38 and that is actually idolatry. 03:40 So, people sometimes get the idea that... 03:45 "Well, we're not idolaters anymore," 03:47 we'll have more to say about that as we go on. 03:52 His wrath is a reaction against what is evil, 03:56 He hands those over to... 03:59 who sin... to be controlled by their passions. 04:03 We kind of talked... we talked about that as well, 04:05 why in the world would God hand somebody over 04:08 to be controlled by passions? 04:10 It is a Biblical sense of justice 04:14 that the measure you use 04:15 is the measure that is used again on you. 04:17 "So, you want to be a rebel and worship these idols, 04:21 fine, I'll hand you over to the idols, 04:23 see where that gets you. " 04:24 Yeah and what it gets you is a continually downward spiral 04:30 and to more and more trouble, 04:31 now, when you get down there, sometimes what happens is 04:34 you say, "Oh, I need help. " 04:37 Right. 04:39 And then you turn back to the Creator for help. 04:41 Amen, so... but now where does homosexuality fit into this? 04:46 Okay, it's described so we'd better open our Bibles 04:47 to Romans chapter 1 04:49 because it's described in the second set of exchanges 04:52 that we already mentioned that Paul refers to 04:55 as the expression of God's wrath, 04:57 so, we said last time 04:59 that each time when Paul describes human sinfulness, 05:03 he then says, "God hands them over," 05:05 and he says, "God hands them over. " 05:07 But it's something that they've done first 05:09 before God hands them over. 05:10 Yeah, and then he responds 05:12 and his response is "to hand them over," 05:13 we found that each time there's this kind of experience 05:16 so, it is under the second set that we find, 05:20 so what we have to do is read verses 25 to 27. 05:28 Okay, you'd want me to start with 24? 05:31 Yeah, I think so, you'd better start with 24. 05:34 Shelley: Okay. Tom: Exactly. 05:35 "Therefore, God also gave them up to uncleanness 05:38 in the lusts of their hearts 05:39 to dishonor their bodies among themselves 05:42 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, 05:45 and worshiped and served the creature 05:47 rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever, Amen. 05:51 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. 05:55 For even their women exchanged the natural use 05:59 for what is against nature. 06:01 Likewise also the men, 06:03 leaving the natural use of the woman, 06:05 burned in their lust for one another, 06:07 men with men committing what is shameful, 06:10 and receiving in themselves 06:12 the penalty of their error which was due. " 06:15 Okay, pretty strong words. 06:16 Those are strong words. 06:18 Pretty strong words, so, go back to verse 25 06:21 to take a careful look at it, he says, 06:23 "Because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie," 06:26 so here's truth and error, right next to it 06:29 and what have people done? 06:31 They have exchanged truth for lies, 06:32 so, who does the exchange first? 06:34 Shelley: The people. 06:35 The people do and they exchange truth for the lie 06:38 and worship and serve the creature 06:40 rather than the Creator who is blessed forever. 06:43 And then it says, "For this reason, 06:44 God hands them over to dishonorable passions" 06:47 and what happens then? Exchange... 06:49 exchange takes place in sexual relations 06:52 where the natural or we would even say, 06:56 "biological pattern" 06:57 is for a man and a woman to have sexual relations 07:00 and here what happens is, there are same-sex relationships 07:04 that are taking place that Paul describes here. 07:07 Now, there are several things we can note 07:10 from just reading these few verses, 07:13 Paul is obviously very negative about 07:16 lesbian and homosexual practice, 07:18 he uses terms like "dishonorable passions" 07:23 he talks about... 07:24 he uses the phrase, "shameless deed," 07:27 he talks about the penalty that people get, 07:30 he talks about deception, 07:32 twice he describes heterosexual practice with the term, 07:36 "natural usage," in contrast, he speaks of 07:41 the homosexual practice as unnatural, 07:44 he appears to zero in on homosexual practice 07:47 because it illustrates the exchange that took place 07:52 when people left the worship of God for the worship of idols. 07:57 Quite commonly in the Bible the measure you use, as we said, 08:01 is the measure used to judge you, 08:04 Jesus said that in Matthew 7. 08:05 Paul calls the practice of homosexuality 08:09 as something that is unnatural, 08:10 the Greek term is "para physin or phoosin" aka physiken 08:15 he speaks of the natural use of the female in verse 27 08:19 what does he mean then by these terms? 08:23 we're actually helped by reading Romans 11 verse 21 08:27 so turn over to Romans 11 verse 21. 08:30 Okay, you know I realize this is a 08:36 very sensitive topic 08:39 and I want to say how much I appreciate your sensitivity 08:43 and particularly in the last program 08:44 as you set this up for understanding this, 08:51 Romans 11:21 says, "For if God did not spare 08:57 the natural branches, he may not spare you either. " 09:01 Now this is... yeah... 09:02 Speaking here of where 09:04 He has cut of the branches... being Israel... 09:06 and grafted in... 09:08 Yeah, He has grafted in the Gentiles 09:10 and He says that, 09:12 "For if God did not spare the natural branches... " 09:15 He uses the same kind of terminology, so, 09:17 "natural branches" are branches that are naturally part of... 09:22 they are of the same nature... 09:24 They are the original root not grafted in... 09:25 Yeah, they're not grafted in, 09:27 they don't come from something else, 09:28 so, that's what his terminology of "natural" is, 09:31 that which is according to nature, 09:33 that which is a part of a natural order 09:37 or a natural system in nature like a tree, 09:41 it has branches that it had originally, so, 09:43 when he speaks over here in Romans 1, 09:46 he speaks of the natural use and the unnatural use 09:50 and it's biology that teaches you 09:53 that the sexual organs of man 09:55 fit with the sexual organs of the woman, 09:57 there's a natural kind of linkage there, 09:59 so, these are the branches... what he describes in chapter 11, 10:04 there was the domesticated olive tree 10:07 and then you had this other part put in 10:09 so, the term "natural" in Romans 1 is the creation order 10:13 that God set up in Genesis, 10:14 something that biology itself teaches you 10:18 when God made the human beings, He made them male and female. 10:23 Okay, but how do homosexuals... 10:28 he compares them here to idolaters, 10:31 how does that work? 10:32 Yeah, well, actually idolatry comes before the practice. 10:37 - That's what he describes. - Yes. 10:39 Okay, so, actually these verses are discussed in great detail 10:46 by many people, there's much dispute over them 10:48 many writers are questioning Paul 10:51 so those who practice homosexuality... 10:55 are who defend it 10:56 will dispute the applicability of this passage to them today, 11:01 first they'll claim... they'd say, 11:03 "Wait, we're not idolaters" 11:05 and some will say, "Paul had this idea 11:09 that idolatry is what caused homosexual practice orientation, 11:15 and that if idolatry were to disappear, 11:18 so would homosexuality, 11:19 that's the argument that some people will say, 11:22 They'll say, "Wait, we're not idolaters 11:24 and Paul's ideas are kind of mixed up" 11:26 they insist that this passage describes 11:29 not the people with homosexual orientation 11:32 but heterosexual people 11:33 who exchanged their sexual expression 11:37 for homosexual expression and since homosexuals themselves 11:42 do not make the exchange, 11:44 in other words they're trying to be true to their orientation 11:47 that the text does not apply to them either 11:50 they'd even go further in to say 11:52 that if they were to "change" and try to be heterosexual 11:56 that would be going against nature. 11:57 And how would you respond to those arguments? 11:59 Oh, well we got to... 12:00 I got to give you the third one first, 12:02 and then we'll come to that, 12:03 they suggest that Paul does not understand 12:05 homosexual orientation, 12:07 and that the person is naturally... 12:09 their birthright being homosexual, 12:11 so homosexuals maintain that God made them this way 12:13 and to deny this orientation would be to go against God, 12:16 so there are three ideas, that they're not idolaters, 12:20 that they insist that the passage 12:21 is not talking about them 12:23 it's talking about heterosexuals 12:24 and the third idea that their orientation means 12:27 that that's their nature, that's the natural approach. 12:31 Okay, so, we start with the first one about idolatry 12:35 and the basic idea we have to come to look at 12:39 is the question of, "What is idolatry?" 12:42 Okay, so, if I were to ask you, "What is idolatry?" 12:46 It's to worship something other than God. 12:48 To worship something other than God... 12:50 that's a nice, general way to put it, 12:52 okay, now, in the ancient world, they used to have physical idols 12:57 that represented their gods and they worshipped those idols 13:01 to say that they were worshipping their gods 13:03 and things like that, 13:04 the Bible is very, very strong against idolatry. 13:08 I heard one time that there was a man 13:10 who read through his Bible very quickly, 13:12 maybe a week's time, 13:13 and when he finished, people said to him, 13:15 "So... so what's the Bible's message?" 13:17 And he said, "Well, there are two things," 13:18 he said, "God hates idols" 13:21 and number two, "But He really loves His people" 13:25 Oh, how interesting. 13:27 God hates idols but He really loves His people 13:29 and it's true, why does God hate idols? 13:32 Why is He so down on idols? 13:34 Because you become like whatever you worship. 13:38 Shelley: Become what you behold. 13:40 Yeah, "By beholding we become changed" 13:41 whatever you worship is what you become like. 13:44 Now, people will say today, 13:46 "Well, we don't have idolatry in the land today, 13:49 we don't have people bowing down at graven images. 13:51 Or you think of these poor little teen girls that are 13:54 idolizing some of these Rock-Star type people 13:57 and you see how they become what they behold. 14:00 There are lots of idols in the land, 14:02 it can be money, it can be sex, it can be power, 14:05 it can be position, it can be any... 14:08 just like you said, 14:09 "Anything that takes the place of God, is an idol. " 14:13 So, today in most Societies, 14:17 we don't have people worshipping deities, you know, 14:20 in forms like that, 14:21 or in some Societies that's still there, 14:23 Hmmm... I was just thinking, excuse this, but this is to me 14:28 a profound thought that if your top priority is not God, 14:31 whatever priority you have above God, is your idol. 14:35 Tom: Yes, right. Shelley: Wow. 14:36 Where does our allegiance lie? 14:38 Okay, now, if our allegiance lies to God, 14:41 then we submit to His Word and to His truth. 14:43 Hmmm... 14:45 Whatever His Scriptures teaches us 14:47 in his commands, if we resist those, 14:49 if we say, "No, but, I'm not going to do that" 14:51 then we're rebelling against God, that's still... 14:53 that's really idolatry, 14:55 where we're putting something in the place of God. 14:57 Okay, but... what about the claim that 15:00 the passage is about heterosexuals 15:03 who have switched to homosexuality? 15:06 Right, to homosexual practice 15:07 or bi-sexuality... sometimes people will describe it. 15:10 Paul uses the term, "exchange," 15:12 okay, and this is where people land on it, 15:15 they'll say, "Wait... " they exchange it 15:17 homosexuals will say, 15:19 "Wait, we're not exchanging anything 15:20 that's our orientation, that's what we've been, okay," 15:24 this is the reason why I wanted to place this passage 15:28 in the broader context of Romans chapter 1, okay, 15:32 so we could see, in a broader sense, 15:35 what Paul is trying to describe. 15:37 In Romans 1:21 to 23, Paul describes the pagan world's 15:43 reaction to the revelation of God in nature, 15:44 remember, we said that was the primal revelation... 15:46 that was the first revelation, verse 21 clearly indicates 15:50 that they did not glorify God, read verse 21. 15:53 "Because although they knew God, 15:55 they did not glorify Him as God nor were thankful: 15:58 but became futile in their thoughts, 15:59 and their foolish hearts were darkened. " 16:02 Okay, and in verse 22 and 23 it says, 16:05 "Claiming to be wise they became fools, 16:06 and exchanged the glory and will of God 16:08 for images resembling mortal man 16:10 and beasts and animals and creeping things. " 16:13 Okay, so, when we get to verse 23 and onward 16:17 and we read the word, 16:18 "exchanged the glory of the invisible God 16:21 for the likeness of perishable men 16:22 and creatures and so forth," 16:24 we know that the exchange does not suggest 16:27 that formally they were worshipping God, 16:31 they never worshipped God, 16:34 they rejected what God was saying, you see, 16:37 so there was never... the exchange was not a case 16:40 of, "We used to do this, now, we're going to do this. " 16:42 No, the exchange is actually a rejection of what God had said 16:48 and they were going to go their own way 16:51 and follow their own path, see... right... 16:53 so, "exchange" here was at this more fundamental level, 16:57 it was not leaving a "former practice," 17:01 it was the rejection of the truth about God 17:04 and embracing the lie of idolatry. 17:06 This is really actually very important 17:09 when we come to verse 26 17:11 and it describes homosexual practice as an exchange 17:14 it is not speaking of an individual level 17:18 as though a heterosexual person 17:20 left heterosexual relations for homosexual relations 17:23 and that that was the sin, 17:26 instead Paul is describing people 17:30 who rejected the God-given order of male-female relations 17:34 and instead practiced homosexual relations, okay. 17:38 So, that... explanation defines that 17:47 or we explained that... 17:49 what about the idea that someone has a "birthright" 17:54 if you will of homosexual orientation? 17:56 Right, okay, this argument is actually more subtle 17:59 and it's important to understand. 18:01 There's a difference between "orientation" and "practice. " 18:04 See, orientation is something "inside," 18:07 your feelings or for what you're attracted to, 18:11 okay, practice is what you do, all right, 18:15 and so Paul is describing here homosexual practice. 18:18 Orientation is different, 18:20 that's something that has lots of different roots 18:24 and I'm no Psychologist, 18:26 so I don't pretend to try to explain all those things 18:29 you know, I don't have the answers to all those things. 18:31 So... but Paul is describing now practice... 18:36 so as a Biblical Scholar, I feel the question of... 18:40 when people say, 18:41 "Well, what about my birthright of homosexual orientation?" 18:44 It mistakes the question of "orientation" 18:47 with the question of "practice," Paul is describing two things 18:51 internal desires which he calls "passions," 18:55 and a resulting practice in homosexual behavior. 18:58 Paul condemns the practice, the homosexual behavior 19:02 which he over and over describes in quite negative terms 19:06 as we've already said, 19:08 so, I give my opinion on the matter of "orientation" 19:11 orientation is not practice, 19:14 what Paul condemns is the practice of homosexual behavior. 19:18 Hmmm... hmmm... 19:19 "We indicate in line with Christian teaching in general 19:22 and in harmony with the stance of the Adventist Church, 19:25 that sexual relations are reserved for marriage, 19:27 we've been talking about that already in this program, 19:30 sex is for marriage between a man and a woman, 19:34 outside of that, 19:35 whether a person is homosexual or heterosexual, 19:38 it doesn't matter they are to remain chaste, 19:41 they are not to engage in homosexuality 19:43 outside of that marriage relationship 19:46 between male and female 19:47 so, it's not a question of orientation 19:50 we're talking about here but practice 19:52 and remember that we did not describe homosexuality 19:55 as the primal sin, 19:57 we didn't say that this is one of the big things 20:00 that led to this expression of the "wrath of God," 20:03 actually it's a result, it's not... 20:05 it's not the expression itself, 20:06 we said that idolatry was the first sin 20:09 and these exchanges that people made in a prior decision 20:12 is what Paul describes now 20:15 as showing itself in these expressions 20:18 of these different passions and these different problems. 20:21 You know, during Paul's time in the ancient world, 20:27 in the Roman-Greco world there were a lot of practices 20:33 going on, homosexual practice. 20:35 Hmmm... hmmm... there was. 20:37 And there was... 20:39 It was valued even by the Greeks. 20:41 And this is something that their "pederasty?" 20:46 Yes, it's called, "pederasty. " 20:48 Pederasty... what... 20:51 was Paul just addressing that idea? 20:56 Yeah, this is another argument that's sometimes brought up 20:58 that the Apostle Paul... pederasty is a relationship... 21:03 a sexual relationship between... well, it can be a man or a... 21:07 it's typically a man and a boy, 21:09 this is a boy before he's reached puberty 21:12 and the man is having sex with him, 21:13 all right, and that was practiced in the ancient world 21:17 and it wasn't taken as something terrible, okay, 21:22 so, people will say, 21:25 "Well, maybe Paul is just talking about pederasty 21:28 and he's simply ruling that out, 21:31 okay, that you shouldn't do that 21:33 but that he approves of committed homosexual relations" 21:38 Now, we do have examples in the ancient world 21:42 of loving, committed homosexual relationships 21:46 and so, sometimes people will want to say, 21:49 "Well, they just didn't have any of that back then 21:51 and so... it doesn't apply to us today 21:53 because they didn't have those experiences," 21:55 no, they actually did and it assumes much to assume 21:59 that the Apostle Paul had no knowledge of that, 22:02 or any understanding of what was going on 22:06 among the gentiles, he did, 22:08 he gives quite a fair understanding 22:12 of what he has to say, so, is he just describing pederasty 22:16 and that he's really okay with... 22:20 once people become mature 22:24 and they make decisions for themselves 22:26 that they could have these loving relationships, 22:30 the link to Old Testament passages 22:37 opposing homosexual practice and Paul's arguments in Romans 1 22:41 and again in Romans... 22:43 in 1st Corinthians 6 verses 9 and 10 22:46 indicates that this argument doesn't really hold true, 22:50 the Apostle Paul... you see... 22:54 you'd have a strange kind of argument 22:56 that would be involved here, 22:58 first, there is no place in the Bible 23:01 where homosexual practice is affirmed, 23:04 there's no text that says, "Oh, that's good," 23:07 there's no text that says that, 23:09 and homosexuals who argue on that topic 23:12 and people who argue from that same point... 23:14 they recognize that, they agree with that, 23:17 that there is no text that says that, 23:18 but if they say, 23:21 "Well, Paul is just not describing homosexual practice 23:24 of a loving relationship, he's against pederasty," 23:28 now, that would be rather odd reasoning 23:31 because in that case... you see, the Greeks said 23:34 that when the boy reaches puberty, this should stop, 23:37 this should stop, so they said, 23:40 "It's okay when he's a boy 23:41 but when he reaches maturity, this should stop" 23:43 now, if Paul is against pederasty, 23:46 he opposes what the Greeks approve, 23:48 if when it comes to the homosexual practice 23:54 of a later time, then, 23:57 what the Greeks just approved Paul is approving? 23:59 That's rather odd reasoning, you see, 24:02 it's flipping... Paul is just the opposite of the Greeks, 24:04 while it doesn't seem too likely, 24:07 in fact, it's what we call, "an argument from silence," 24:10 to argue that Paul somehow affirms these... 24:15 even loving homosexual practices, 24:17 there's no statement along that line 24:19 and always "an argument from silence" 24:21 is a weaker argument. 24:22 So, we maintain that actually Paul is opposing 24:25 the practice of homosexual behavior. 24:28 So, is there a parallel to today... in today's society 24:37 in what's going on and what Paul says? 24:38 Yes, the strong parallel 24:40 is the pluralism of ethical traditions that we have 24:43 both in the ancient setting and now, 24:45 the claims made that homosexual psychosexual orientation 24:51 was not a Biblical issue is really confused, 24:54 there's an important Biblical Scholar named Anthony Thiselton 24:59 who wrote a powerful commentary on 1st Corinthians 25:04 that I like a lot, 25:05 it's in the New International Greek Testament 25:08 Commentary Series, bit fat, thick book 25:10 on 1st Corinthians and... so this is what Thiselton 25:15 concluded as he describes this whole issue, 25:20 he says, "Paul addresses every form of 'desire,' 25:24 whether heterosexual or materialistic, 25:27 and distinguishes between passionate longing and action. 25:30 It is true that 'homosexual orientation' 25:33 does not feature as a phenomenon for explicit comment, 25:36 but to dismiss the parallel that is between heterosexual desire 25:40 and an illicit habitual heterosexual relationship 25:43 is itself to isolate same-sex relations 25:46 from other ethical issues in a way which such writers 25:50 as Furnish, Scroggs, Boswell, and Nelson rightly deplore... 25:54 Paul witnessed around him 25:55 both abusive relationships of power or money 25:58 and examples of 'genuine love' between males. 26:00 We must not misunderstand Paul's 'worldly' knowledge. " 26:04 Shelley: Hmmm... Tom: That's from page 452 26:08 in his commentary, so basically what he's saying is 26:11 Paul knew about these things, he knew it was going on 26:15 these are pretty strong statements 26:18 that I have been making here in talking about this, 26:20 it's a serious topic, 26:22 I want to go back to some of the things that we said 26:26 at the beginning when we were talking about Rome, 26:29 was... why does Paul talk like this? 26:31 What is he describing, he's describing a sinful world 26:34 that needs the gospel, that needs the love of God, 26:37 for the change that is necessary for us to actually 26:41 to be saved, all of us are sinners, 26:44 Paul goes on in Romans 1 to describe people 26:46 who do other kinds of practices that are rampant in our Society, 26:49 you see some of those kinds of things happening in the church, 26:52 Paul is down on sin and he says that we are all sinners 26:57 who need the grace of God to bring us out of that, 27:00 it is my prayer that this kind of experience 27:03 of salvation can be one that we all experience 27:07 and find the love of God. 27:09 Amen, amen, and that's something that... 27:11 when it comes to listening what are abominations to the Lord, 27:16 lying tongue is an abomination to the Lord, 27:19 we... this is something that... 27:20 as Paul said, repeatedly, 27:25 that it is only by the righteousness of Jesus Christ 27:29 that heirs can be saved, we're all sinners 27:31 and praise the Lord for the good news of the gospel 27:35 that is from faith to faith. 27:36 This has been a very sensitive topic 27:39 but I feel like I've learned some things from you, 27:41 and I want to thank you 27:43 and we just want to thank you for staying tuned 27:46 we've learned a lot, 27:47 I think, this is the end on the sex, we're getting ready to... 27:50 the next program will be on divorce, 27:51 is that correct? Tom: That is correct. 27:52 So, we just hope that you've learned something 27:56 from what the Bible has to say in the New Testament 27:59 about sex and sexuality, 28:01 now, our prayer for you is that God will multiply His mercy, 28:05 His love and His grace to you. Good bye. |
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