Participants: Karen Thomas (Host), Pr. Fred Batten
Series Code: IAADD
Program Code: IAADD000036A
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00:29 Have you ever wondered 00:31 what's involved in being able to really get together 00:33 community program that really puts you in a situation 00:37 to be a real service to your community? 00:39 How do you get your church or other groups involved? 00:42 Today we're gonna talk about 00:44 how to organize a massive city wide plan to be able 00:49 to serve for Jesus Christ. 00:51 Our guest today is Pastor Fred Batten. 00:53 He is the pastor of the Word of Life 00:55 Seventh-day Adventist Church in Memphis, Tennessee. 00:57 He is also a graduate 00:59 of Middle Tennessee State University 01:00 with a degree in Business, 01:02 Vanderbilt University and then Andrews University 01:05 where he is currently working in Masters... no I'm sorry, 01:08 a doctorate degree in Urban Ministry. 01:11 We are so excited to have him here 01:12 and look forward to the tools and the resources 01:15 that he is going to share with us today. 01:17 Thank you so much for coming to Issues and Answers, 01:19 Pastor Batten. 01:20 Thank you so much, Karen. 01:22 Glad to be here. 01:23 We're just elated to be able to come and share today. 01:26 Well, fantastic. 01:27 So I understand, the name of the program was "I serve." 01:31 Yes, "I serve." 01:33 And we patterned after in all those things 01:36 in the internet and so forth, "I serve." 01:38 We want to be able to have people in the church, 01:42 identifying themselves with service to the community. 01:47 And this program began by... several years ago 01:51 when the General Conference talked about 01:54 mission to the cities. 01:56 And to those making a vision along with the Southern union, 02:00 they decided to have a couple of cities 02:02 in the Southern Union to promote evangelism emphasis 02:06 for a five-year period. 02:09 Tampa, Florida, that was one 02:11 and Memphis, Tennessee was the other 02:13 in the Southern Union. 02:15 And so with that in mind, our conference president 02:18 for the South Central Conference 02:20 of Seventh-day Adventist 02:21 and the Kentucky, Tennessee conference presidents, 02:24 they got together and also even the... 02:26 Gulf States Conference president came alongside of us 02:30 and we began to talk about what it would mean, 02:34 what it would look like 02:36 to have some emphasis of evangelism 02:39 and outreach in the City of Memphis 02:41 in the greater metropolitan area of Memphis. 02:44 So no one cared about conference lines 02:46 or territories or anything? 02:48 Every one just kind of, got together and said, 02:50 "Hey, we're gonna focus on metropolitan Memphis 02:52 and do something." 02:54 Yes, we decided to come together. 02:56 Now it also took time for us as pastors in various churches 03:02 because we have different programs, 03:04 different ministries, different emphasis 03:06 that is going on in our own churches, 03:08 in our own congregations and the areas where we serve 03:12 in the City of Memphis. 03:13 However, we came together, 03:15 we started to pray and we started to eat together. 03:19 You know, eating together and praying together. 03:22 That's good, you know. Yes. 03:23 We started doing those kinds of things 03:25 but we had some ideas that were fantastic. 03:29 We just want to go and take the City of Memphis by storm. 03:34 But we had to step back. 03:36 One of our mentors for the group, 03:38 Elder Benjamin Jones, 03:41 he said to us that we need to be able to trust each other 03:44 so that we can work with each other. 03:47 And so as we began to fellowship 03:50 and get to know each other, know our interests, our likes 03:53 and ministry emphasis and strengths, 03:57 we began to dialogue more 03:59 and we began to know each other, 04:01 had fun, played games. 04:03 Those kinds of things there 04:04 and we were able then to come up with some ideas 04:08 that we could all get together and get behind and focus on 04:14 and so we began to do that and that's why... 04:17 that's how "I serve Memphis" came into being. 04:22 Wow, so once every one got together 04:25 and you're saying that the brethren and sisters 04:28 had unity of the spirit. 04:31 What was the project that was planned after that? 04:33 What was the next thing that happened 04:34 after everyone came together, eating together, 04:38 playing together, what happened next? 04:39 Well, I will say that that took a little time, 04:42 that process itself took over a year and a half or so 04:45 of doing those kinds of things, 04:47 meeting on a kind of a like a monthly basis, 04:50 except for during the summer months 04:52 when people were traveling and so forth. 04:55 But we came together and we decided, 04:58 there was something that was going on 04:59 in the community. 05:01 The mayor of Memphis 05:03 wanted to beautify the City of Memphis 05:05 and he wanted other non profit organizations 05:08 and churches faith based organizations to get involved. 05:12 And so we... I was asked to be the point person to talk 05:17 with the organization that was heading up for the mayor. 05:21 It was called "Faith in Action." 05:23 And so we got together and we talked about 05:26 what that would look like 05:28 and what they were asking for us... of us to do. 05:31 So we brought it back to the committee, 05:33 to the pastors 05:35 and the pastors then talk to their churches 05:37 and organized their congregations 05:39 to come out and to serve. 05:41 We wanted to beautify the City of Memphis 05:43 and so we had an opportunity to go out into the community 05:48 and to just you know, pick up trash, 05:51 you know, just clean up... Something simple. 05:54 Simple, but it was something 05:56 that we all could be able to do, 05:58 young and older alike 06:00 and so the Adventist church in the City of Memphis. 06:03 We came together 06:04 because we believe that we could... 06:07 we would be stronger together in serving our community. 06:11 And so we even had t-shirts that were ordered and placed 06:18 and the people wore t-shirts on that day. 06:20 Do you have one of those t-shirts? 06:22 I do. 06:23 It was called... this is the t-shirt here, 06:26 "Adventist serving Memphis." 06:30 And it's a part of the "I serve" opportunity 06:34 that we have. 06:35 And so it was very, very positive. 06:39 It was October... in October of 2013 06:44 that we came together for the clean up. 06:45 That was the first project. That was the first project. 06:49 And then after the first project in 2014, 06:53 we began to look at some other more traditional ways 06:58 of coming together. 07:00 Matter of fact, 07:01 we planned as the pastors came together, 07:03 we planned a camp meeting service 07:09 for the City of Memphis. 07:11 It was awesome. 07:12 We had great speakers and singing going on. 07:15 Like who, who did you have? 07:16 Well, actually the first time we did have it, 07:19 we had persons, 07:22 our conference president from South Central Conference, 07:25 Dana Edmond. 07:27 And we also had Wesley Knight 07:31 from the South Atlantic Conference 07:34 and they came in to speak for us 07:36 and some other pastors came 07:38 to highlight that particular four-day event, 07:43 small camp meeting for the city of Memphis. 07:46 We packed out the Longview heights, 07:49 Seventh-day Adventist Church there, 07:50 we had a great crowd... Like how many people? 07:54 People who've not been to Longview, how many? 07:56 Well... Few thousand people there? 07:58 At this particular time 08:00 we had approximately 500 of the members that come. 08:04 It was a good gathering for the first event. 08:07 For the first event. 08:08 Now how many churches are in that area that... 08:10 There are Ten areas, ten churches rather in the area 08:14 that helped you comprise this particular group, 08:18 matter of fact, the ministers, 08:21 we affectionately call ourselves "MAMA." 08:26 That's Memphis Area Ministerial Alliance. 08:30 And so we come together 08:32 and we want to be able to share the love of God 08:36 and in challenging our members to be more engaged 08:41 in fellowship as well as in service. 08:45 So now for going back to the first one 08:48 where you were mentioning, where you were working 08:50 with the City of Memphis in the mayor's office. 08:53 How did that come to be? 08:54 Well, actually, 08:55 we had talked with the mayor a few months earlier, 09:00 the group of pastors came together 09:03 and we wanted to talk with the mayor 09:04 and let the mayor know that 09:06 we want to be a part of serving the City of Memphis. 09:11 We want to able to... 09:13 not just to be persons or organizations 09:16 that will try to take for ourselves 09:18 and get for ourselves 09:20 but we wanted to be able to serve 09:22 the City of Memphis, matter of fact... 09:23 What was the part of that group? 09:24 Like you if decide to go, 09:26 say if someone who's going away into their city, 09:29 who would you suggest to be that group 09:32 that would go and talk to the mayor's office 09:34 at their local town or city? 09:35 Well, it should be a person who is representing the church, 09:39 a pastor that could represent the church 09:42 or it could be someone that maybe a liaison 09:45 that is in connection with the church 09:50 and the community, those persons. 09:53 You need to have some kind of connection, 09:54 some kind of calling card if you will 09:58 to be able to do that kind of thing 10:01 and be able to be 10:05 with the idea of you going into serve, 10:07 find out where you can serve, 10:10 not going in with your programs and say, I want to do this... 10:12 Right. 10:14 I want to be able to serve, how can we serve the city. 10:17 So you kept it open 10:18 when you wanted to go talk to the mayor. 10:20 Correct. Correct. 10:21 You came with the group of people and you said, 10:24 "We're just here to serve, what can we do?" 10:26 Yes. 10:27 And the mayor didn't... 10:29 Wow, that... is that a little scary a little bit, 10:31 what the answer might be? 10:33 Well, when you come in and you go in with the idea 10:37 that is outlined in Jeremiah 29: 7. 10:41 I think you have that Bible text for us, 10:43 could you mind reading that for us, in Jeremiah 29: 7? 10:47 There is something there in that text 10:49 that outlines an idea or an emphasis 10:53 that as churches and church leaders 10:55 we could learn from it in Jeremiah 29: 7. 10:59 Okay. 11:00 "And seek the peace of the city 11:02 where I have caused you to be carried away captive, 11:05 and pray to the Lord for it; 11:08 for in its peace you will have peace." 11:11 That says it in a nutshell 11:13 because as we know that text, the background, 11:16 the context is the children of Israel, 11:19 God's people were in Babylon in captivity 11:22 and some, the false prophets were saying 11:25 that they were getting ready to leave, 11:27 ready to get out of captivity 11:29 but God told Jeremiah to tell the people 11:31 that you're gonna be here for a little while 11:33 so you might as well 11:35 just be able to seek the peace of the city 11:38 and when you do that, 11:40 you will gain the peace as well. 11:43 You will be benefited by being able to seek the peace, 11:47 the shalom of the city. 11:48 Now, Pastor Batten, you know, Seventh-day Adventist, 11:50 there's a lot of conversations about Jesus is coming soon 11:55 and we are in last days 11:57 and people are looking forward to going to heaven. 11:58 Are you actually suggesting 12:00 that we should seek the peace of where... 12:05 the cities where we are and actually stretch out 12:07 until the Lord comes? 12:09 I do believe that is the case because when we are recognizing 12:14 that Jesus said that we should occupy 12:16 until He comes. 12:17 Occupy what? Occupy where? 12:20 That means to say that we should be able to serve, work 12:24 and be engaged in the culture where we are. 12:28 That is to say not necessarily 12:31 take on every aspect of the culture 12:33 but we should be able to speak to the culture 12:36 and be able to recognize that we are part of that culture 12:40 and that we are wanting to share 12:43 a counter cultural prospective biblically 12:47 to the people that's going to help 12:50 to bless them, to help to encourage them 12:53 and help them to know that God is love 12:56 and that He is coming back real soon. 12:58 And that the only way 13:00 that we can get that information out 13:02 is to mingle among the people and to seek to bless them. 13:07 So you're in the mayor's office 13:09 and everybody is there and you're saying, 13:12 "Mr. Mayor, 13:14 what can we do to make the City of Memphis better?" 13:18 What did he respond, Mayor Wharton? 13:21 Mayor A. C. Wharton, he began to talk about 13:23 several different things. 13:25 Some of us... the initiative 13:26 that he's talked about in the city, 13:29 the mentoring program that he has 13:31 and some other activities that he was talking about 13:35 the "Gun down Memphis" 13:37 whereby they tried to get the guns off the streets, 13:42 holding sessions in churches and so forth like that. 13:46 That particular piece was not something 13:49 that we felt we wanted to get engaged in 13:52 at that particular time. 13:53 But the other piece about beautifying the city 13:57 and doing some other things we thought that... 13:59 Like what other things? 14:00 Well, other things regarding the helping individuals 14:05 with mentoring, those kinds of things 14:09 and though there's pastor, buddy of mine in Memphis, 14:12 Pastor Kymone Hinds, 14:14 he's engaged in mentoring, 14:17 he is a pastor of the Overton Park 14:19 Seventh-day Adventist church. 14:20 So there are other things that we are engaged in 14:24 maybe individually as a particular congregation 14:28 but for the "I Serve Memphis" portion, 14:32 we wanted to do something that we all could be engaged in. 14:36 And it would be something that we could galvanize 14:39 our people, our members to be able 14:43 to be the hands and feet of Jesus 14:46 in the community. 14:47 Okay, so you settle in a project with the mayor. 14:50 And then how did you go about setting a date 14:53 and then getting the word out to the churches 14:55 and the members, I should say 14:56 'cause churches are just building, 14:57 how did get them, 14:59 the word out to the members of the church? 15:00 Well, we were able to... 15:01 we tried to take a page out of the young people's play book, 15:07 we use in the social media, 15:10 we use different ways of communication, 15:14 church bulletins, one on one... 15:17 What social media did you use? 15:18 Well... 15:19 Did you create a Facebook page? 15:21 We did a Facebook page. 15:23 We created a website which is "iservememphis.org." 15:30 And people could go and sign up to register 15:33 to be involved in the event on that particular day 15:38 so there was some pre-registration 15:39 that was done for people to sign up 15:42 for the "I Serve Memphis" 15:44 that big day in October 27, 2013. 15:50 So now you were able then to... so you have the help, 15:53 like you said some young people that were able to get you up 15:56 on social media and so that's free. 16:00 Yes. 16:01 They have the time, they have the technology, 16:04 they have the energy, they know how 16:06 and my goodness, they can do a marvelous thing 16:10 with the technology today. 16:12 And so using those things 16:14 and getting them engaged as well 16:16 was helpful in that regard. 16:18 Okay, so you created a website, Facebook page, 16:21 you started getting the word out 16:23 and then how was the response? 16:25 The response was great. 16:26 People signing up to participate. 16:27 People signed up, matter of fact, 16:30 on the day that we went out to serve 16:32 on that particular portion of "I Serve Memphis," 16:36 we had over 85 people from the churches 16:39 to come out... 85, wow. 16:41 You know, to come out to beautify the city, you know. 16:43 I thought that was an awesome thing 16:46 and would like more but hey, 85 people 16:49 to come out on a early morning over the weekend, 16:53 hey, you can beat that. 16:55 So then you had 85 volunteers, they all came to... 16:58 what part of Memphis did they come to? 17:00 Actually we started in the Frayser area of Memphis 17:03 in Word of Life. 17:05 We met at the Word of Life church. 17:07 We had snacks for them that morning. 17:09 What kind of snacks? 17:11 Well, we had some breakfast thing... 17:13 breakfast bars, cereal bars, 17:15 fruit and water and those kinds of things. 17:17 Where did you get all that from? 17:18 Did somebody just buy that, 17:20 was that a pool of money from the organization? 17:23 Well, the organization 17:24 and the Memphis Area Ministerial Alliance, "MAMA" 17:27 purchased those items so that members can be able to, 17:32 you know, if they didn't eat breakfast just that morning, 17:33 they had something to hold them over. 17:36 And what kinds of things that people, 17:37 so you mentioned about the t-shirts. 17:40 Did people wear those t-shirts? 17:41 Did you have t-shirts? They did. 17:42 They wore the t-shirts. 17:44 Actually they had to purchase their own t-shirts, 17:46 but hey, they were able to do so. 17:48 They were excited about it. 17:49 They purchased their t-shirts, wore their t-shirts. 17:52 It was a great day. Wow. 17:55 So were they divided strictly by churches 17:59 or was it just by teams? 18:00 How did you divide up the... 18:02 how did you organize the volunteers? 18:04 Well, we organized the volunteers, 18:06 we put them in groups, 18:07 we had different areas of clean up. 18:10 They were different streets that were... 18:12 we had persons that were captains of different streets, 18:15 different areas 18:17 and they would go to different areas. 18:18 One of the events on that particular day was also, 18:21 we were able to be engaged with a elementary school 18:25 where we were able to do some things 18:28 to spruce up their campuses, well, on that day. 18:30 So there were some 18:31 who were doing the street clean up, 18:34 and there were others who were at the elementary school. 18:37 What kind of work did you do at the elementary school? 18:39 We kind of spruced up their area 18:41 and paint, did some painting. 18:42 You painted? Yes. 18:44 Did you rake leaves, you know, what did you do? 18:46 Well, we painted their parking lot on that particular day. 18:48 That's a big job. 18:49 That's not a little some things. 18:51 Okay, so you painted a whole parking lot? 18:55 Volunteers did. We striped their parking lot. 18:58 Wow, that would be normally very expensive enterprise 19:01 if the school had to pay for that. 19:03 So that was something that volunteers did. 19:05 Did you have a machine or did they do that by hand? 19:07 How did they do that? 19:09 Well, it would've been nice to have a machine 19:12 but it was nicer to have the rollers 19:14 because it made us interact with each other 19:18 and we were able to have a good time, 19:20 just, you know, get a little paint 19:22 on our clothes and our hands. 19:24 Wow, that is totally awesome. 19:26 So then how did the neighborhood 19:28 receive people coming through cleaning up their neighborhood? 19:33 Well, the neighborhood people were pleased, matter of fact, 19:38 the mayor came out and took a picture 19:42 with one of the groups that was out 19:43 on that particular day. 19:45 So he noticed? He did. 19:47 He took notice. He did. 19:49 Wow, so... 19:50 And we give all glory and praise to God. 19:53 Amen, amen. 19:55 So what kinds of equipment did people bring? 19:57 Did they, you know, did you supply every thing 20:00 or did they bring rakes and bags and, you know, 20:03 how did that work out? 20:04 Well, the city provided some thing. 20:06 They provided some bags, trash bags and some gloves. 20:12 Now, but others brought some rakes 20:14 and those kinds of things to help. 20:16 But mainly were... 20:18 it was kind of self contained in terms of 20:21 not needing the whole lot of tools and utensils 20:26 but we were able to do what we needed to do. 20:28 Pick up some things, move tyres, 20:31 put them out to this curb in the city 20:33 where they can come by and pick them up. 20:35 So how was the weather that day 20:37 when everyone say, hey, 85 volunteers, 20:39 they want to come out and serve? 20:41 Was it sunny, was it warm, was it perfect weather? 20:44 Well, it was in October. 20:46 In October, sometimes in Tennessee, 20:48 in Memphis, Tennessee, is a kind of... sometimes iffy. 20:50 Sometimes it will rain a lot during that month 20:53 but it started out a little cloudy 20:56 but it cleared up, 20:58 God blessed us and gave us favor. 21:01 I think it was a little sunshine that day. 21:03 It was a little cool that morning. 21:04 But as the day went on, we started at 8:30 21:07 and we ended at 11:30, around 11:30, 12 o'clock. 21:12 So how much territory were you able to cover? 21:14 How much of the neighborhood were you able to clean up? 21:17 It's a good question because what we did 21:19 in dividing up different streets, we were, 21:25 it was kind of broad breath of area where we served... 21:29 Miles or two... 21:31 Well, from Word of Life, I would say that 21:34 the farthest street that we covered 21:36 was about five miles away. 21:38 Because it was the one that was recommended 21:42 by Dr. Bill Burn, one of the community leaders 21:44 in the city... in the area of Frayser 21:47 because he has a group that does clean up as well. 21:50 And he recommended that that we do that particular area 21:53 because it was heavily cluttered with litter. 21:56 Then we did the area by the school 21:58 and then we did Highway 51 which is a major thoroughfare 22:02 from Memphis to the city called Millington, 22:07 Highway 51, Thomas Street in that area 22:10 where there are some retail stores and so forth. 22:13 And were out there on that main street as well. 22:16 How did the retails owners, how did... 22:18 what did they think about that, 22:20 everybody cleaning outside of their store? 22:22 Well, the CVS store, 22:25 they were very excited about us being there. 22:28 They appreciated it very much and matter of fact, the manager 22:34 'cause we are cleaning up outside of the store, 22:36 and we asked if we can throw some trash into his dumpster. 22:41 He said, "You guys out here don't... 22:44 he gave us some water, you know, 22:47 free of charge just gave us water. 22:49 So as the way of saying, thanks for cleaning up. 22:52 So has the media covered any of the events 22:54 that you've held? 22:55 Well, this particular one, we didn't have media coverage 22:59 but we had media coverage for some other events 23:01 that we've had since then. 23:04 Okay. 23:05 So you did another event like this at another time in the... 23:08 Yes, in the month of April of 2014. 23:12 We have another clean up. 23:13 It was kind of rainy that day. 23:15 But we went out and served anyway. 23:17 Even though it was raining, we went out and did service 23:20 and the media actually came out 23:22 and caught us in serving in the rain. 23:25 Oh, that's cool. That's cool. 23:27 So what other kinds of events have you held 23:30 or that you're planning? 23:32 Well, we've had some other events, 23:34 matter of fact, we earlier this year in 2015, 23:39 we've had an event called a Symposium 23:44 for Law Enforcement. 23:46 We wanted to be able to recognize the tensions 23:50 and the things that are going on because... 23:52 or things that were happening across the country 23:55 where police and citizens being in violence and so forth. 24:02 We wanted to be able to show that 24:04 we cared about our police department 24:06 and want the police department to know that 24:08 we were concerned about our city as well. 24:12 And so the churches got together 24:14 and we went out to the different precincts 24:17 where nearest to our churches location. 24:21 And we prayed for the police at the police precinct. 24:26 And they were ecstatic about that 24:29 because, you know, sometimes the police, 24:31 although they are there to protect and to serve. 24:34 Sometimes they get a bad rap 24:36 because if something goes down, something goes wrong or why, 24:39 then the finger is pointed at a police... 24:44 at law enforcement. 24:45 But we wanted them to know that we were supportive of them 24:48 and that we were wanted to know that... 24:50 want them to know that we were praying for them. 24:53 So who was involved in that particular event? 24:55 Was it just the churches only, were there other city officials 24:59 or county officials that were involved? 25:01 Well, that particular piece 25:03 in praying for the police department, 25:05 the churches went to the location. 25:07 Okay. 25:09 And later on that day, we decided to have 25:13 what we called a Law Enforcement Symposium 25:16 and where About we met at one of the churches 25:19 and some city officials came. 25:21 They were invited, 25:22 the district attorney was invited, 25:25 city council persons were invited 25:27 and the police department was invited 25:28 and the neighborhood and the churches 25:32 were invited to come, 25:33 Seventh-day Adventist churches were invited 25:35 because we wanted to talk about 25:37 what are the things that we can do 25:39 and teach our children our young men, 25:41 especially our young African American men, 25:43 how they out to respond, 25:45 what should they do if they were stopped by the police, 25:49 how should they respond or what should they do 25:52 what question should they ask, what things should they know. 25:55 Okay, very... in the few minutes 25:57 that we have left for the program, 25:59 what were some of the highlights 26:00 of some of that advice that was given 26:02 and that came from that? 26:04 Well, one of the things 26:05 that stood out very dramatically was 26:08 one of the officers just gave us this information. 26:12 If you are stopped, especially at night, 26:14 if you are stopped by police, what you need to do is 26:17 turn on your light inside the car, 26:20 put your hands on the wheel 26:22 and just follow the officer's instructions. 26:26 That way you can be and safe 26:29 and the officer can be safe as well. 26:32 How was the feeling of the event, 26:34 you know, once it ended? 26:36 How did people feel about having come together 26:38 and done all of those activities 26:40 with the police and the county etc.? 26:42 Well, the members of the churches 26:44 were excited about it. 26:45 They were glad that we did that and they are looking for more. 26:49 The police department was appreciative of the fact 26:52 that we felt the need and the desire to do so 26:56 and they said, they'll be willing 26:58 to do it again to help us 27:00 as we seek to try to help the city 27:02 as we seek the peace of the city 27:05 as God instructed through Jeremiah 29: 7. 27:10 Amen. 27:12 So is there resources 27:14 that you guys could consider, 27:16 the gentlemen, the pastors, the... 27:18 was it "MAMA" of the city? 27:20 Yeah, Memphis Area Ministerial Alliance. 27:22 Okay, that you could put on your website, 27:24 iservememphis.org that could help other people 27:27 who are interested in starting programs in their city? 27:31 Well, they can contact us 27:34 through that particular website. 27:36 We have information out there about the events 27:39 that we've had in the past 27:41 and there will more things that we would put on there 27:43 as we move further along in the future. 27:46 Okay, well, thank you so much for coming, Pastor Batten. 27:49 I really appreciate your sharing. 27:50 Thank you. 27:52 That was pretty awesome 27:53 all the things that we're involved. 27:54 It is a group of people coming together to make a decision 27:57 to do something different for their city. 27:59 And for those of you at home who want to make a difference, 28:02 there we go, we've been shared... 28:04 he shared with us how we can do that. 28:05 We can get together a group of people 28:08 to go to the mayor, 28:09 to be able to pray for our police. 28:12 Let's just be that light in the world today. 28:14 Thank you so much for joining us. 28:15 Have a great day. |
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