Issues and Answers (D2D)

Giving Up is Not an Option

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Participants: Karen Thomas (Host), Denis Turner

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00:27 Welcome to Issues and Answers.
00:29 Did you know that right now
00:31 we're dealing with a silent crisis in America?
00:34 Did you know that one in five American kids is poor
00:37 according to a CNN report?
00:39 The National Center for Children in Poverty
00:41 tells us that more than 16 million children
00:44 in the United States,
00:46 that's 22 percent of all children
00:48 live in families with incomes
00:49 below the federal poverty level.
00:51 Poverty also can contribute to poor health
00:54 and mental health.
00:55 Child poverty rates are highest among black Latino
00:59 and American Indian children.
01:01 And this is a astounding.
01:03 But here to talk with us today is Denis Turner.
01:07 Denis Turner is up from Sugar Ditch, Mississippi.
01:12 And we're gonna talk a little bit more
01:13 about what that's involved.
01:15 He's here to talk to us about not giving up, never giving up.
01:19 Can I give up?
01:20 Welcome to the program, Denis.
01:22 Thanks for having me.
01:23 Well, this is amazing when I think about your story,
01:27 and I can barely wait till we can get into it now.
01:29 So what do you think about those statistics
01:31 that I mentioned earlier?
01:32 Alarming.
01:33 Alarming. Alarming.
01:35 As a former teacher,
01:37 I can attach that those are facts.
01:40 Those are facts. Yes.
01:41 I've experienced watching children in poverty
01:45 in inner city as a teacher.
01:48 And just seeing the facts
01:51 that poverty have on kids is alarming.
01:55 You know, I was looking back here on the internet
01:57 and it looks like there's been 50 years of the war on poverty.
02:01 It started with Lyndon B. Johnson.
02:02 Yes.
02:04 And then going back to what you're saying
02:06 about the high school, okay, and kids and education.
02:10 Did you know that every...
02:11 According to the internet 1.2 million students
02:14 drop out of high school in United States alone
02:17 and that every 26 seconds over 7,000 drop out a day.
02:24 That's mind-boggling, isn't it?
02:26 Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
02:28 You know, my experience as a teacher,
02:31 the kids are dropping out for some reasons
02:34 that are not being discussed.
02:36 One of them is the effect that poverty have on children.
02:39 Right.
02:40 It kills their self-esteem, it makes them...
02:46 I'll give you an example.
02:47 When I was young,
02:49 I was a kid that grew up in poverty.
02:51 Sometimes I was so concerned about the hole
02:54 that was in my pants
02:56 that I could not focus at school.
02:58 And so when you can't focus at school,
02:59 you fall behind, and when you get behind,
03:03 then there's a whole another slew of problems
03:05 that come with that,
03:06 then you're picked on or you're talked about
03:08 because you're not making a grade
03:10 or you're not smart and so it just...
03:13 It's a snowball effect and it all stems with poverty.
03:17 Now, Denis, I Googled Sugar Ditch Hill,
03:20 okay?
03:22 And I saw that some years ago there was 60 minutes program.
03:26 That's correct. Are you aware of that?
03:28 Oh, yes, I am.
03:29 Sugar Ditch made national news in 1985.
03:33 Not only was it a 60 minutes program,
03:36 it was a Time Magazine,
03:38 a slew of reports about that area.
03:42 It was exposed as the poorest, poorest place in America.
03:46 The poorest place in America. That's where you grew up?
03:49 And that's where I was born, yes.
03:50 Were you around when they did that program
03:53 or it was any of your relatives?
03:55 We were still around.
03:57 We did live on Sugar Ditch at the time
04:00 it made national news
04:02 but my mom is in some of the footages.
04:04 Oh, really? Yes.
04:06 So exactly, what was Sugar Ditch?
04:08 What was that?
04:09 Oh, wow! It was a...
04:11 Basically it was a sewer ditch. A sewer ditch.
04:14 A sewer ditch that ran along
04:18 and had a row of shack houses next to it.
04:22 Those shack houses did not have any indoor plumbing
04:25 or running water inside of them.
04:28 And people used to use the ditch
04:30 as a place to discard their waste.
04:33 That's shocking. Yes.
04:35 And you grew up with that? Yes.
04:37 So where people...
04:39 It almost sounds like, no offence,
04:40 it sounds kind of third world.
04:43 Are you saying, I won't say third world,
04:45 but really just poor.
04:46 Well, Reverend Jesse Jackson put it.
04:49 He quoted and said that it was America's Ethiopia.
04:54 So how... I mean, look at you now though.
04:57 Okay, this is... Okay.
04:58 so now we really want to hear,
05:00 what did you, what happened?
05:03 In the whole topic of not giving up,
05:06 how did you get from there to where you are right now,
05:08 Oakwood University graduate, playwright,
05:11 you have plays that are out, you're professional singer,
05:14 you've written a book.
05:15 How did you get from abject poverty
05:20 living next to a Sugar Ditch to today?
05:25 Two words, God's grace. God's grace.
05:27 God's grace.
05:29 You know, my story started before Sugar Ditch.
05:32 My story started with my mom,
05:35 my mom, I'm the youngest of 12 and my mother was,
05:38 she was a diabetic when she became pregnant with me.
05:43 After having 11 children,
05:44 the physician told her that she would not go full term,
05:48 and that I will be a miscarriage,
05:50 but she prayed over me in her womb.
05:53 And she said that after I was the born,
05:56 the story was given to me later.
05:57 She said, after I was born the doctor told her,
06:00 this was probably her healthiest baby
06:02 she has ever had.
06:03 Really? Yes.
06:05 and so the challenge started before I came here,
06:09 but once again God's grace.
06:12 We lived on Sugar Ditch.
06:14 When I left the hospital, that's where we went,
06:16 and that's what we call home.
06:18 You could have died though
06:19 with that kind of an environment?
06:21 Yes, yes,
06:22 the death rate for young babies at that time
06:27 was really high.
06:29 It was a place that was full of infections
06:32 and all kinds of diseases but God's grace.
06:36 God's grace, so...
06:38 God's grace. What happened?
06:39 You grew up obviously...
06:41 Well. What was that like?
06:42 Yes, it was very challenging
06:45 because my dad was 69 when I was born and...
06:48 Sixty nine.
06:49 Sixty nine years of age
06:50 and when we move from Sugar Ditch,
06:52 we was able to get off Sugar Ditch
06:54 into a low income house some shortly thereafter,
06:59 may be four, five months later.
07:01 Was that a government special program
07:03 that was kind of targeted to that area
07:05 where you're able to get out?
07:06 Oh, thank God for that.
07:07 It was. It was...
07:09 My dad died three years later. Oh, I'm sorry.
07:12 So the challenge was really ongoing.
07:15 But it prefers us back to the title,
07:18 "Giving up was not an option."
07:19 I had a praying mother
07:21 and she prayed over her children
07:24 and she did the best she could.
07:26 And as the youngest, you know, I sit and I watched dad,
07:29 and as I grew up,
07:31 I learned from her faith in God to have faith.
07:36 And I learned from her to trust God on my own.
07:40 Wow!
07:42 And so with God's help,
07:44 he brought me from, you know,
07:49 lower education 'cause the school we were,
07:52 to the school we attended in that county,
07:55 not only was it the lowest,
07:57 the poorest county I'm sorry in America.
08:00 It was...
08:01 I'm still wrapping my mind around that.
08:03 It's the poorest county in all of the entire United States...
08:07 United States.
08:08 So what was the education like for black children?
08:11 It was the same.
08:12 It was the poorest education system
08:15 in the United States.
08:16 So how did you get through high school
08:19 and then even get to college if your education was so poor?
08:24 That's a long story but I can tell you
08:27 that my mom took sick when I was about 14.
08:33 We had to move to the city of Memphis
08:35 for her to have healthcare.
08:37 Okay.
08:38 It allowed me to enroll in a Memphis City School.
08:42 I was extremely--
08:44 I was gonna ask you, what was that like for you
08:46 as a student coming in?
08:47 Very challenging, very challenging.
08:49 What kinds of things that you go through?
08:51 Oh, man,
08:54 you know, being poor, you live in poor areas,
08:59 and you have to deal with the elements of the poor areas.
09:02 So you have to fight gangs,
09:04 you have to fight drug dealers to get to school.
09:07 That was once you came to Memphis?
09:08 Once I came to Memphis, yes.
09:10 So you went from the lowest county
09:13 as far as poverty in the United States
09:15 straight into a dangerous area.
09:18 That's correct. That's correct. Wow!
09:20 But at the time the community school
09:23 was shut down and they were busting us
09:25 to a suburban area in Memphis.
09:28 Oh, my goodness.
09:30 So that school...
09:31 All right, so you went from poverty to gang violence
09:35 to then in a busted up to segregated schools
09:39 at the time.
09:40 Well, it wasn't a segregated school,
09:41 it was a suburban school
09:44 which had some diversity.
09:49 But it was about 70 percent white, Caucasian or.
09:51 And it just, the love of the education was high.
09:56 So I'm extremely behind
09:59 and I'm playing catch-up but it was God's grace.
10:03 He gave me two set of great guidance counselors.
10:07 Oh, really? Yes.
10:08 They work with me and they help me,
10:11 they put me on a plan to help me graduate.
10:14 So you went to Memphis when you were in high school?
10:16 Yes.
10:17 So you came from...
10:21 The poorest place in America was in Tunica, Mississippi,
10:24 the poorest educational system to Memphis,
10:28 to be embossed with suburban area in Memphis.
10:31 Outside of your neighborhood. Outside of my neighborhood.
10:33 Having to come back home
10:34 and then fight with the drug dealers and the...
10:36 That's correct...
10:38 Lord Jesus. What do you say? That's correct.
10:39 God's grace. God's grace.
10:41 God's grace.
10:42 But God gave you favor in the eyes of some up,
10:45 but then you say guidance counselors
10:47 but how was it with the teachers?
10:49 How did the teachers treat you?
10:50 How was that, I had to catch up, Denis?
10:52 You know, to be honest with you,
10:54 it wasn't anything that happened overnight.
10:57 It was a long process.
11:01 But just extra work,
11:06 extra time,
11:08 extra leniency, you know,
11:10 as far as getting assignments in,
11:11 because you have to understand
11:13 there was a whole different world
11:15 going on at home in my neighborhood.
11:18 Yes, yes, unfortunately,
11:20 there is a lot of dynamics that I had to deal with
11:23 other than my environment and it included my own home.
11:27 Unfortunately I had a brother that was older than I,
11:30 he got involved with drugs.
11:31 He got engulfed with the community,
11:34 and he became addicted.
11:37 And so his woes came to our home.
11:40 And so with the guidance counselor,
11:42 when I spoke of this to them they had,
11:47 you know, compassion
11:48 and they were very, very, very helpful,
11:52 and they saw something in me that,
11:57 you know, I think they've never seen before
11:59 in someone from this area.
12:01 And that was the determination to make it.
12:05 You know, I've seen a lot.
12:07 I've seen my brother go down,
12:10 I've seen him almost die.
12:12 I've seen my mom become very ill
12:15 and feeble where she couldn't,
12:17 couldn't even take care of us any longer.
12:19 So at the age of 15,
12:21 I was pretty much taking care of myself.
12:23 Oh, so wait a minute, that's right,
12:25 your mom moved to Memphis
12:26 but your father had already passed away, is that right?
12:28 That's correct. So how are you guys making it?
12:31 Government assistance.
12:32 Thank God for that. Yes.
12:33 So all 12 of you moved to Memphis with your mom?
12:37 Well, the oldest three or four was,
12:39 they were grown...
12:41 They were grown by then, okay.
12:42 Yeah, they were grown so,
12:43 the younger ones we moved with my mom,
12:47 the sister next to me was away at college.
12:49 She was the first one to go. Wow!
12:51 And so, you know,
12:52 she used to give me the stories about college,
12:55 you know, and I used to get excited about it.
12:59 And, you know, I looked at the community
13:01 and I look where we were.
13:03 And I always felt and thought to myself
13:06 there's something greater,
13:07 there's something better than this, you know,
13:10 and that I was going to not be denied that.
13:15 You were not gonna be denied.
13:16 Not gonna be denied...
13:18 I like that attitude.
13:19 So did you play sports?
13:21 I did, I play sports.
13:25 Well, I didn't play that much in high school
13:27 because of everything else was going on.
13:30 You had to go home.
13:32 I had to go home. I had to catch up...
13:33 So the bus would drop you off
13:34 and you had to go home and catch up.
13:36 Yes, yes, I had to go home and just,
13:38 you know, catch up academic wise
13:39 and then home needed me.
13:41 When I was 16, you know,
13:45 my oldest sisters they had to care for my mother.
13:47 She really couldn't do much more for herself,
13:50 you know, her sickness just really took over her...
13:53 Wow! And so, I had to help.
13:55 So I had to get a job,
13:57 I had to help feed the family, yes.
14:02 I got a job then I had to, try to maintain my schooling.
14:06 What kind of job did you get?
14:08 Could you find that, you know...
14:09 Well, at the 16, you know,
14:11 you're bagging groceries at Kroger
14:13 or somewhere or some supermarket
14:15 or you are a pizza boy at Sbarro's, you know...
14:19 Yeah.
14:20 But those were the kind of jobs that I had,
14:23 you know, anything I could try to do
14:25 to help my family, I would,
14:28 that was I felt responsible.
14:32 I don't know why.
14:33 I was the youngest but at the same time,
14:36 you know, that was something I've always felt
14:38 and so I did the best that I could
14:41 to help and try to maintain schooling at the same time,
14:44 Wow. It wasn't easy.
14:46 So you said there were extra hours that you had to spend,
14:49 extra assignments.
14:50 Yes, teachers were very...
14:52 Once I think my guidance counselor
14:55 had conversations with my teacher,
14:57 made them aware of my situation
14:59 and so they were very helpful, you know.
15:02 Anything they could do to help, they would.
15:05 You know, what if it was extra time
15:07 or what if it was an assignment that I needed assistance with,
15:13 they would help me at school
15:14 'cause they understood the fact that when I went home,
15:18 school work took a back seat to all the dynamics
15:21 that was going on in my home.
15:23 And so, you know,
15:25 they really had compassion and worked with me.
15:29 So you graduated? By God's grace.
15:32 You graduated high school and then you went to college?
15:36 Yes. What was college like for you?
15:38 Oh, man, it was a whole new world.
15:41 It was a whole new world.
15:44 I went to Oakwood College, Oakwood University.
15:47 And how did that you paid for?
15:48 Oh, man, God's grace. That's private school.
15:51 God's grace.
15:53 Thank God's for loans, thank God's for grants.
15:57 One particular semester I just couldn't clear
16:00 and, you know, my coach at the time
16:03 'cause I was playing basketball for the school
16:06 and he wanted to help because...
16:08 Wait a minute, you've never played sports before
16:10 and now you're playing for a college
16:11 on a special team.
16:13 Yes.
16:15 Well... Wow.
16:17 I could have played in high school, I just...
16:20 It just was too much between work, school.
16:24 I couldn't maintain it all.
16:26 So that got left there off from high school.
16:29 But in college I got a chance to do that.
16:32 And one particular semester I remember I could not clear,
16:36 did not have the funds to.
16:38 And the coach called someone in office
16:42 while I was sitting there.
16:43 He called him Cliff and he told him my situation
16:47 and, you know, he said, "How much?"
16:50 That was the question and he gave him the number,
16:54 he said, "The check is in the mail."
16:56 What?
16:57 I nearly just folded with tears.
17:03 You know, that someone would do this,
17:04 someone that I didn't know.
17:06 That didn't know me personally would do this for me.
17:09 And that's when I took on, it just,
17:12 it gave me a new perspective and more energy
17:16 to not be denied and to always remember
17:20 that giving up was not an option.
17:22 And so when he hung up the phone, he said,
17:25 "Did you know who I was speaking?"
17:27 When I said, "No," he said, "That was Clifton Davis.
17:29 What? Yes.
17:31 Wow! Wow!
17:34 I was speechless. The Clifton Davis, the actor.
17:37 The actor. Okay, the preacher.
17:40 he's done a lot of different,
17:42 he came on television different places.
17:43 He wrote a check. Did you all know each other?
17:46 No, I did not.
17:47 Sight unseen. God's favor.
17:49 God's favor. Wow!
17:51 So then you finish college
17:53 and of course now you're married,
17:55 you've been a educator.
17:57 How did you get into all these other cool things
18:00 that you're doing?
18:01 I like to refer to myself as a late bloomer.
18:06 There was things, and gifts, and talents that I possessed,
18:11 God given talents that I never really explored
18:15 until after college.
18:18 College was, I was one track mind,
18:21 won't focus, just finish.
18:24 Whatever you do, finish because,
18:26 you know, it was really hard my first couple of years,
18:29 you know, I still had a mom,
18:31 she was really, really ill at that point.
18:34 She was really knocking on death door
18:36 and I wanted so badly to finish,
18:39 so she can see and be proud of her son
18:42 as well as to give back and help her.
18:45 And so of course, you know,
18:49 I graduated and two months later she passed away.
18:52 Oh, I'm sorry.
18:54 But, you know, that was something
18:55 she gave me that I just,
18:58 that I live by today and that is faith,
19:02 you know, her faith, watching her every morning
19:07 worshipping God when she wakes up
19:10 from a kid all the way until she got too ill to do it.
19:14 And watching her life,
19:16 it instilled in me faith and it gave me something
19:21 to start with that I with the master
19:24 got my own relationship and created my own faith.
19:27 And now I think that same prayer that she prayed
19:30 over me in the womb still resonates with me today.
19:33 And I want to make a difference because it's not how you start,
19:38 it's how you finish.
19:40 No matter how,
19:42 what situation you're born with or whatever your, you know,
19:48 economic status is or what if you have your parents or not,
19:53 you're here for a purpose.
19:55 God has brought you here for a purpose and the thing is,
20:00 we are not to quit no matter what is thrown our way.
20:03 Giving up is just not an option.
20:06 We have to learn in whatever God is trying to teach us
20:09 in the process and take that and use it
20:13 to make it whatever God has for us,
20:16 whatever our purpose is, it is our job to find him,
20:20 and to live in him, and I believe that.
20:22 So, Denis, someone watching the program,
20:24 listening to your story would want to know do you travel,
20:29 do you give motivational talks?
20:30 And then most importantly what can you share right now
20:35 for may be the mother or the uncle
20:37 or the father or just a love one
20:40 that's working with the particularly
20:42 troubled young person.
20:44 What could you share with them to make a difference?
20:48 And what's a good way to organize a group of people
20:52 to be mentors to others?
20:55 Well,
20:57 I would say to mothers that are struggling
21:00 or to those that are have children,
21:04 first of all do not give up.
21:07 That's first of all. Never give up.
21:10 Giving up is not an option.
21:12 And the secondly or I should say, A, one A,
21:19 always pray for your children.
21:21 Always lift them up and put them before God.
21:23 That's very, very important but kids are...
21:28 They have different reasons for doing different things.
21:31 You know, I've come in contact with kids from poverty areas,
21:34 all the way to kids that come from well to do areas.
21:37 Have you coached kids before?
21:39 Oh, yes, I have coached kids in different sports,
21:43 well, not different sports but different ages
21:45 in the same sport of basketball
21:47 and my experience has been with, you know,
21:51 kids from the lower end of the poverty line
21:54 to the high end of the high, you know...
21:58 Right, higher echelon.
21:59 Yeah, echelon, and they all have the same problem.
22:03 They all have the same issues,
22:05 self-esteem.
22:07 They all have the same issue of,
22:10 you know, being affected by self confidence
22:13 because of someone not endorsing them
22:16 or someone not believing in them, you know.
22:19 That's important for children.
22:21 They have to feel that they are loved and somebody cares,
22:24 and that somebody supports them.
22:27 You know, money has nothing to do with that.
22:30 We have to instill that in all our children.
22:33 And I will tell them that even if you don't get it from home,
22:37 God will send someone,
22:39 what if it's a teacher,
22:41 a coach to give you what you need,
22:43 that inspiration, that endorsement to keep going.
22:47 The goal is to find your purpose in life.
22:50 God has created you for a purpose
22:52 and the goal is to find it and to live in that purpose.
22:56 And that's what I would definitely tell
22:57 young people today.
22:59 And if you question what the purpose is,
23:03 I tell them all the time,
23:04 it comes easy and they look at me as I was, I say,
23:08 I'll tell you this.
23:09 What is it that comes very easy to you, you know?
23:13 I've kids that they could sit down
23:15 and do things on a computer,
23:17 that I know some people went to school for couldn't do.
23:20 Yeah.
23:21 I say that came easy for you, that's a talent, that's a gift.
23:26 You might want to explore that.
23:27 God may have something for you in that area.
23:30 There are talented kids there.
23:32 You know, when I was coaching some kids
23:34 couldn't dribble and walk.
23:37 And there were some kids seem as though
23:39 they came out the womb dribbling the ball,
23:42 that was a gift, you know,
23:44 maybe there's some purpose in that, explore it, you know.
23:48 And I try to tell them
23:49 stick with what you know until it evolves.
23:52 Stick with what you know...
23:54 Yes.
23:55 Until it evolves, until you see something else
23:57 that you can develop and get into.
23:59 Exactly.
24:00 Wow. Yes.
24:02 You know,
24:03 I do speak in engagements all the time,
24:04 what if it's church, banquets, schools, you know,
24:09 I do it all because I love dealing with people,
24:15 young, old, I love instilling in them
24:19 some sort of inspiration.
24:22 And I always try to use my testimony
24:24 'cause God gave me this testimony,
24:27 and I'm gonna tell it and I'm gonna let people know
24:30 that God is the author and the finisher of my faith.
24:32 And he is the reason why I'm still here.
24:35 He is the reason why I've overcome
24:37 a lot of things in my life.
24:40 And so, you know, I try to, you know,
24:45 instill inspiration wherever I go.
24:47 And so, you know, I'm open,
24:49 of course they can always contact me.
24:52 You have a website? Oh, yes.
24:54 I have a website.
24:56 It is the theboyfromtheditch.com.
24:58 Theboyfromtheditch.com.
25:01 Wow! Okay.
25:03 And that's where you have like some,
25:06 besides being able to engage you
25:07 to be able to have you come and visit,
25:09 but do you have some suggestions, you know,
25:11 resources for parents and for young people
25:13 even to be able to come to,
25:15 they can search out and get that information.
25:19 Well, I don't know where to start.
25:22 You know, of course I've written a book.
25:24 Of course, they can always read that,
25:26 but I've done even more.
25:28 I've taken first quarter,
25:32 the third of my book
25:33 and composed it into a stage play.
25:36 Trying to be innovative and creative,
25:39 and reaching young and old in inspiration,
25:44 you know, we love the word.
25:46 We all loved it,
25:48 hear the word and, you know,
25:51 we love singing, music is beautiful.
25:53 But, you know, we're dealing with children,
25:57 it's a new generation,
25:58 they're hi-tech, they're savvy,
26:00 and their attention span is short,
26:02 and so we want to be creative
26:04 and intentional in getting their attention...
26:08 Right.
26:09 You know, and to instill inspiration in them.
26:12 You know, a lot of kids there,
26:14 they, you know,
26:16 being around kids I'm told alike,
26:18 they're just not interested in the same.
26:21 And so I just wanted to be a creative by taking my story,
26:25 transposing it to a stage play and presenting it.
26:30 And so,
26:31 that may be another way maybe for kids
26:33 to be able to learn either by coming to see the play
26:38 or even participating in role playing activities, you think?
26:43 Definitely.
26:45 Well, what I would like to do is,
26:48 you know, when kids come and see the play,
26:49 I would like to keep in touch.
26:51 We try to have some information
26:53 out where we can stay connected.
26:54 What if they're becoming a follower of my Facebook page
26:58 of Twitter or Instagram to where we can interact.
27:02 Mentorship is very important with youth these days.
27:06 Once again I cannot express enough how young people
27:10 need to feel that someone care.
27:12 You said endorsed, I like the way that is,
27:14 you know, it's like wow!
27:15 You know, people wear different logos
27:17 and things that represent a company.
27:19 When you say endorsed,
27:20 that word makes me think about
27:23 being having that support from their parents
27:25 and from those that really love them.
27:27 It's important, it's important,
27:30 you know, kid's confidence can dictate how hard it go.
27:35 You know, their confidence level
27:37 in just feeling endorsed and in feeling supported,
27:42 it gives them confidence to accomplish anything.
27:45 You know, we can mentor a child
27:48 and that can be the next child to cure cancer.
27:50 Say that, that's awesome. We can mentor a child.
27:52 No matter where they come from.
27:53 He could be the next child to cure AIDS, you know.
27:57 It just, we have to pull together.
28:00 Denis, I want to thank you so much
28:02 for coming to the program today.
28:04 Really appreciated your words of encouragement.
28:07 For those of you at home, wow, thank you so much.
28:09 Wasn't this an incredible story?
28:11 It was for me to listen to. Never give up, can't give up.
28:15 Let's just keep going with that thought
28:16 for the rest of the day.
28:18 Have a great day.


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