Participants: Karen Thomas (Host), Denis Turner
Series Code: IAADD
Program Code: IAADD000037A
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00:27 Welcome to Issues and Answers.
00:29 Did you know that right now 00:31 we're dealing with a silent crisis in America? 00:34 Did you know that one in five American kids is poor 00:37 according to a CNN report? 00:39 The National Center for Children in Poverty 00:41 tells us that more than 16 million children 00:44 in the United States, 00:46 that's 22 percent of all children 00:48 live in families with incomes 00:49 below the federal poverty level. 00:51 Poverty also can contribute to poor health 00:54 and mental health. 00:55 Child poverty rates are highest among black Latino 00:59 and American Indian children. 01:01 And this is a astounding. 01:03 But here to talk with us today is Denis Turner. 01:07 Denis Turner is up from Sugar Ditch, Mississippi. 01:12 And we're gonna talk a little bit more 01:13 about what that's involved. 01:15 He's here to talk to us about not giving up, never giving up. 01:19 Can I give up? 01:20 Welcome to the program, Denis. 01:22 Thanks for having me. 01:23 Well, this is amazing when I think about your story, 01:27 and I can barely wait till we can get into it now. 01:29 So what do you think about those statistics 01:31 that I mentioned earlier? 01:32 Alarming. 01:33 Alarming. Alarming. 01:35 As a former teacher, 01:37 I can attach that those are facts. 01:40 Those are facts. Yes. 01:41 I've experienced watching children in poverty 01:45 in inner city as a teacher. 01:48 And just seeing the facts 01:51 that poverty have on kids is alarming. 01:55 You know, I was looking back here on the internet 01:57 and it looks like there's been 50 years of the war on poverty. 02:01 It started with Lyndon B. Johnson. 02:02 Yes. 02:04 And then going back to what you're saying 02:06 about the high school, okay, and kids and education. 02:10 Did you know that every... 02:11 According to the internet 1.2 million students 02:14 drop out of high school in United States alone 02:17 and that every 26 seconds over 7,000 drop out a day. 02:24 That's mind-boggling, isn't it? 02:26 Yes, it is. Yes, it is. 02:28 You know, my experience as a teacher, 02:31 the kids are dropping out for some reasons 02:34 that are not being discussed. 02:36 One of them is the effect that poverty have on children. 02:39 Right. 02:40 It kills their self-esteem, it makes them... 02:46 I'll give you an example. 02:47 When I was young, 02:49 I was a kid that grew up in poverty. 02:51 Sometimes I was so concerned about the hole 02:54 that was in my pants 02:56 that I could not focus at school. 02:58 And so when you can't focus at school, 02:59 you fall behind, and when you get behind, 03:03 then there's a whole another slew of problems 03:05 that come with that, 03:06 then you're picked on or you're talked about 03:08 because you're not making a grade 03:10 or you're not smart and so it just... 03:13 It's a snowball effect and it all stems with poverty. 03:17 Now, Denis, I Googled Sugar Ditch Hill, 03:20 okay? 03:22 And I saw that some years ago there was 60 minutes program. 03:26 That's correct. Are you aware of that? 03:28 Oh, yes, I am. 03:29 Sugar Ditch made national news in 1985. 03:33 Not only was it a 60 minutes program, 03:36 it was a Time Magazine, 03:38 a slew of reports about that area. 03:42 It was exposed as the poorest, poorest place in America. 03:46 The poorest place in America. That's where you grew up? 03:49 And that's where I was born, yes. 03:50 Were you around when they did that program 03:53 or it was any of your relatives? 03:55 We were still around. 03:57 We did live on Sugar Ditch at the time 04:00 it made national news 04:02 but my mom is in some of the footages. 04:04 Oh, really? Yes. 04:06 So exactly, what was Sugar Ditch? 04:08 What was that? 04:09 Oh, wow! It was a... 04:11 Basically it was a sewer ditch. A sewer ditch. 04:14 A sewer ditch that ran along 04:18 and had a row of shack houses next to it. 04:22 Those shack houses did not have any indoor plumbing 04:25 or running water inside of them. 04:28 And people used to use the ditch 04:30 as a place to discard their waste. 04:33 That's shocking. Yes. 04:35 And you grew up with that? Yes. 04:37 So where people... 04:39 It almost sounds like, no offence, 04:40 it sounds kind of third world. 04:43 Are you saying, I won't say third world, 04:45 but really just poor. 04:46 Well, Reverend Jesse Jackson put it. 04:49 He quoted and said that it was America's Ethiopia. 04:54 So how... I mean, look at you now though. 04:57 Okay, this is... Okay. 04:58 so now we really want to hear, 05:00 what did you, what happened? 05:03 In the whole topic of not giving up, 05:06 how did you get from there to where you are right now, 05:08 Oakwood University graduate, playwright, 05:11 you have plays that are out, you're professional singer, 05:14 you've written a book. 05:15 How did you get from abject poverty 05:20 living next to a Sugar Ditch to today? 05:25 Two words, God's grace. God's grace. 05:27 God's grace. 05:29 You know, my story started before Sugar Ditch. 05:32 My story started with my mom, 05:35 my mom, I'm the youngest of 12 and my mother was, 05:38 she was a diabetic when she became pregnant with me. 05:43 After having 11 children, 05:44 the physician told her that she would not go full term, 05:48 and that I will be a miscarriage, 05:50 but she prayed over me in her womb. 05:53 And she said that after I was the born, 05:56 the story was given to me later. 05:57 She said, after I was born the doctor told her, 06:00 this was probably her healthiest baby 06:02 she has ever had. 06:03 Really? Yes. 06:05 and so the challenge started before I came here, 06:09 but once again God's grace. 06:12 We lived on Sugar Ditch. 06:14 When I left the hospital, that's where we went, 06:16 and that's what we call home. 06:18 You could have died though 06:19 with that kind of an environment? 06:21 Yes, yes, 06:22 the death rate for young babies at that time 06:27 was really high. 06:29 It was a place that was full of infections 06:32 and all kinds of diseases but God's grace. 06:36 God's grace, so... 06:38 God's grace. What happened? 06:39 You grew up obviously... 06:41 Well. What was that like? 06:42 Yes, it was very challenging 06:45 because my dad was 69 when I was born and... 06:48 Sixty nine. 06:49 Sixty nine years of age 06:50 and when we move from Sugar Ditch, 06:52 we was able to get off Sugar Ditch 06:54 into a low income house some shortly thereafter, 06:59 may be four, five months later. 07:01 Was that a government special program 07:03 that was kind of targeted to that area 07:05 where you're able to get out? 07:06 Oh, thank God for that. 07:07 It was. It was... 07:09 My dad died three years later. Oh, I'm sorry. 07:12 So the challenge was really ongoing. 07:15 But it prefers us back to the title, 07:18 "Giving up was not an option." 07:19 I had a praying mother 07:21 and she prayed over her children 07:24 and she did the best she could. 07:26 And as the youngest, you know, I sit and I watched dad, 07:29 and as I grew up, 07:31 I learned from her faith in God to have faith. 07:36 And I learned from her to trust God on my own. 07:40 Wow! 07:42 And so with God's help, 07:44 he brought me from, you know, 07:49 lower education 'cause the school we were, 07:52 to the school we attended in that county, 07:55 not only was it the lowest, 07:57 the poorest county I'm sorry in America. 08:00 It was... 08:01 I'm still wrapping my mind around that. 08:03 It's the poorest county in all of the entire United States... 08:07 United States. 08:08 So what was the education like for black children? 08:11 It was the same. 08:12 It was the poorest education system 08:15 in the United States. 08:16 So how did you get through high school 08:19 and then even get to college if your education was so poor? 08:24 That's a long story but I can tell you 08:27 that my mom took sick when I was about 14. 08:33 We had to move to the city of Memphis 08:35 for her to have healthcare. 08:37 Okay. 08:38 It allowed me to enroll in a Memphis City School. 08:42 I was extremely-- 08:44 I was gonna ask you, what was that like for you 08:46 as a student coming in? 08:47 Very challenging, very challenging. 08:49 What kinds of things that you go through? 08:51 Oh, man, 08:54 you know, being poor, you live in poor areas, 08:59 and you have to deal with the elements of the poor areas. 09:02 So you have to fight gangs, 09:04 you have to fight drug dealers to get to school. 09:07 That was once you came to Memphis? 09:08 Once I came to Memphis, yes. 09:10 So you went from the lowest county 09:13 as far as poverty in the United States 09:15 straight into a dangerous area. 09:18 That's correct. That's correct. Wow! 09:20 But at the time the community school 09:23 was shut down and they were busting us 09:25 to a suburban area in Memphis. 09:28 Oh, my goodness. 09:30 So that school... 09:31 All right, so you went from poverty to gang violence 09:35 to then in a busted up to segregated schools 09:39 at the time. 09:40 Well, it wasn't a segregated school, 09:41 it was a suburban school 09:44 which had some diversity. 09:49 But it was about 70 percent white, Caucasian or. 09:51 And it just, the love of the education was high. 09:56 So I'm extremely behind 09:59 and I'm playing catch-up but it was God's grace. 10:03 He gave me two set of great guidance counselors. 10:07 Oh, really? Yes. 10:08 They work with me and they help me, 10:11 they put me on a plan to help me graduate. 10:14 So you went to Memphis when you were in high school? 10:16 Yes. 10:17 So you came from... 10:21 The poorest place in America was in Tunica, Mississippi, 10:24 the poorest educational system to Memphis, 10:28 to be embossed with suburban area in Memphis. 10:31 Outside of your neighborhood. Outside of my neighborhood. 10:33 Having to come back home 10:34 and then fight with the drug dealers and the... 10:36 That's correct... 10:38 Lord Jesus. What do you say? That's correct. 10:39 God's grace. God's grace. 10:41 God's grace. 10:42 But God gave you favor in the eyes of some up, 10:45 but then you say guidance counselors 10:47 but how was it with the teachers? 10:49 How did the teachers treat you? 10:50 How was that, I had to catch up, Denis? 10:52 You know, to be honest with you, 10:54 it wasn't anything that happened overnight. 10:57 It was a long process. 11:01 But just extra work, 11:06 extra time, 11:08 extra leniency, you know, 11:10 as far as getting assignments in, 11:11 because you have to understand 11:13 there was a whole different world 11:15 going on at home in my neighborhood. 11:18 Yes, yes, unfortunately, 11:20 there is a lot of dynamics that I had to deal with 11:23 other than my environment and it included my own home. 11:27 Unfortunately I had a brother that was older than I, 11:30 he got involved with drugs. 11:31 He got engulfed with the community, 11:34 and he became addicted. 11:37 And so his woes came to our home. 11:40 And so with the guidance counselor, 11:42 when I spoke of this to them they had, 11:47 you know, compassion 11:48 and they were very, very, very helpful, 11:52 and they saw something in me that, 11:57 you know, I think they've never seen before 11:59 in someone from this area. 12:01 And that was the determination to make it. 12:05 You know, I've seen a lot. 12:07 I've seen my brother go down, 12:10 I've seen him almost die. 12:12 I've seen my mom become very ill 12:15 and feeble where she couldn't, 12:17 couldn't even take care of us any longer. 12:19 So at the age of 15, 12:21 I was pretty much taking care of myself. 12:23 Oh, so wait a minute, that's right, 12:25 your mom moved to Memphis 12:26 but your father had already passed away, is that right? 12:28 That's correct. So how are you guys making it? 12:31 Government assistance. 12:32 Thank God for that. Yes. 12:33 So all 12 of you moved to Memphis with your mom? 12:37 Well, the oldest three or four was, 12:39 they were grown... 12:41 They were grown by then, okay. 12:42 Yeah, they were grown so, 12:43 the younger ones we moved with my mom, 12:47 the sister next to me was away at college. 12:49 She was the first one to go. Wow! 12:51 And so, you know, 12:52 she used to give me the stories about college, 12:55 you know, and I used to get excited about it. 12:59 And, you know, I looked at the community 13:01 and I look where we were. 13:03 And I always felt and thought to myself 13:06 there's something greater, 13:07 there's something better than this, you know, 13:10 and that I was going to not be denied that. 13:15 You were not gonna be denied. 13:16 Not gonna be denied... 13:18 I like that attitude. 13:19 So did you play sports? 13:21 I did, I play sports. 13:25 Well, I didn't play that much in high school 13:27 because of everything else was going on. 13:30 You had to go home. 13:32 I had to go home. I had to catch up... 13:33 So the bus would drop you off 13:34 and you had to go home and catch up. 13:36 Yes, yes, I had to go home and just, 13:38 you know, catch up academic wise 13:39 and then home needed me. 13:41 When I was 16, you know, 13:45 my oldest sisters they had to care for my mother. 13:47 She really couldn't do much more for herself, 13:50 you know, her sickness just really took over her... 13:53 Wow! And so, I had to help. 13:55 So I had to get a job, 13:57 I had to help feed the family, yes. 14:02 I got a job then I had to, try to maintain my schooling. 14:06 What kind of job did you get? 14:08 Could you find that, you know... 14:09 Well, at the 16, you know, 14:11 you're bagging groceries at Kroger 14:13 or somewhere or some supermarket 14:15 or you are a pizza boy at Sbarro's, you know... 14:19 Yeah. 14:20 But those were the kind of jobs that I had, 14:23 you know, anything I could try to do 14:25 to help my family, I would, 14:28 that was I felt responsible. 14:32 I don't know why. 14:33 I was the youngest but at the same time, 14:36 you know, that was something I've always felt 14:38 and so I did the best that I could 14:41 to help and try to maintain schooling at the same time, 14:44 Wow. It wasn't easy. 14:46 So you said there were extra hours that you had to spend, 14:49 extra assignments. 14:50 Yes, teachers were very... 14:52 Once I think my guidance counselor 14:55 had conversations with my teacher, 14:57 made them aware of my situation 14:59 and so they were very helpful, you know. 15:02 Anything they could do to help, they would. 15:05 You know, what if it was extra time 15:07 or what if it was an assignment that I needed assistance with, 15:13 they would help me at school 15:14 'cause they understood the fact that when I went home, 15:18 school work took a back seat to all the dynamics 15:21 that was going on in my home. 15:23 And so, you know, 15:25 they really had compassion and worked with me. 15:29 So you graduated? By God's grace. 15:32 You graduated high school and then you went to college? 15:36 Yes. What was college like for you? 15:38 Oh, man, it was a whole new world. 15:41 It was a whole new world. 15:44 I went to Oakwood College, Oakwood University. 15:47 And how did that you paid for? 15:48 Oh, man, God's grace. That's private school. 15:51 God's grace. 15:53 Thank God's for loans, thank God's for grants. 15:57 One particular semester I just couldn't clear 16:00 and, you know, my coach at the time 16:03 'cause I was playing basketball for the school 16:06 and he wanted to help because... 16:08 Wait a minute, you've never played sports before 16:10 and now you're playing for a college 16:11 on a special team. 16:13 Yes. 16:15 Well... Wow. 16:17 I could have played in high school, I just... 16:20 It just was too much between work, school. 16:24 I couldn't maintain it all. 16:26 So that got left there off from high school. 16:29 But in college I got a chance to do that. 16:32 And one particular semester I remember I could not clear, 16:36 did not have the funds to. 16:38 And the coach called someone in office 16:42 while I was sitting there. 16:43 He called him Cliff and he told him my situation 16:47 and, you know, he said, "How much?" 16:50 That was the question and he gave him the number, 16:54 he said, "The check is in the mail." 16:56 What? 16:57 I nearly just folded with tears. 17:03 You know, that someone would do this, 17:04 someone that I didn't know. 17:06 That didn't know me personally would do this for me. 17:09 And that's when I took on, it just, 17:12 it gave me a new perspective and more energy 17:16 to not be denied and to always remember 17:20 that giving up was not an option. 17:22 And so when he hung up the phone, he said, 17:25 "Did you know who I was speaking?" 17:27 When I said, "No," he said, "That was Clifton Davis. 17:29 What? Yes. 17:31 Wow! Wow! 17:34 I was speechless. The Clifton Davis, the actor. 17:37 The actor. Okay, the preacher. 17:40 he's done a lot of different, 17:42 he came on television different places. 17:43 He wrote a check. Did you all know each other? 17:46 No, I did not. 17:47 Sight unseen. God's favor. 17:49 God's favor. Wow! 17:51 So then you finish college 17:53 and of course now you're married, 17:55 you've been a educator. 17:57 How did you get into all these other cool things 18:00 that you're doing? 18:01 I like to refer to myself as a late bloomer. 18:06 There was things, and gifts, and talents that I possessed, 18:11 God given talents that I never really explored 18:15 until after college. 18:18 College was, I was one track mind, 18:21 won't focus, just finish. 18:24 Whatever you do, finish because, 18:26 you know, it was really hard my first couple of years, 18:29 you know, I still had a mom, 18:31 she was really, really ill at that point. 18:34 She was really knocking on death door 18:36 and I wanted so badly to finish, 18:39 so she can see and be proud of her son 18:42 as well as to give back and help her. 18:45 And so of course, you know, 18:49 I graduated and two months later she passed away. 18:52 Oh, I'm sorry. 18:54 But, you know, that was something 18:55 she gave me that I just, 18:58 that I live by today and that is faith, 19:02 you know, her faith, watching her every morning 19:07 worshipping God when she wakes up 19:10 from a kid all the way until she got too ill to do it. 19:14 And watching her life, 19:16 it instilled in me faith and it gave me something 19:21 to start with that I with the master 19:24 got my own relationship and created my own faith. 19:27 And now I think that same prayer that she prayed 19:30 over me in the womb still resonates with me today. 19:33 And I want to make a difference because it's not how you start, 19:38 it's how you finish. 19:40 No matter how, 19:42 what situation you're born with or whatever your, you know, 19:48 economic status is or what if you have your parents or not, 19:53 you're here for a purpose. 19:55 God has brought you here for a purpose and the thing is, 20:00 we are not to quit no matter what is thrown our way. 20:03 Giving up is just not an option. 20:06 We have to learn in whatever God is trying to teach us 20:09 in the process and take that and use it 20:13 to make it whatever God has for us, 20:16 whatever our purpose is, it is our job to find him, 20:20 and to live in him, and I believe that. 20:22 So, Denis, someone watching the program, 20:24 listening to your story would want to know do you travel, 20:29 do you give motivational talks? 20:30 And then most importantly what can you share right now 20:35 for may be the mother or the uncle 20:37 or the father or just a love one 20:40 that's working with the particularly 20:42 troubled young person. 20:44 What could you share with them to make a difference? 20:48 And what's a good way to organize a group of people 20:52 to be mentors to others? 20:55 Well, 20:57 I would say to mothers that are struggling 21:00 or to those that are have children, 21:04 first of all do not give up. 21:07 That's first of all. Never give up. 21:10 Giving up is not an option. 21:12 And the secondly or I should say, A, one A, 21:19 always pray for your children. 21:21 Always lift them up and put them before God. 21:23 That's very, very important but kids are... 21:28 They have different reasons for doing different things. 21:31 You know, I've come in contact with kids from poverty areas, 21:34 all the way to kids that come from well to do areas. 21:37 Have you coached kids before? 21:39 Oh, yes, I have coached kids in different sports, 21:43 well, not different sports but different ages 21:45 in the same sport of basketball 21:47 and my experience has been with, you know, 21:51 kids from the lower end of the poverty line 21:54 to the high end of the high, you know... 21:58 Right, higher echelon. 21:59 Yeah, echelon, and they all have the same problem. 22:03 They all have the same issues, 22:05 self-esteem. 22:07 They all have the same issue of, 22:10 you know, being affected by self confidence 22:13 because of someone not endorsing them 22:16 or someone not believing in them, you know. 22:19 That's important for children. 22:21 They have to feel that they are loved and somebody cares, 22:24 and that somebody supports them. 22:27 You know, money has nothing to do with that. 22:30 We have to instill that in all our children. 22:33 And I will tell them that even if you don't get it from home, 22:37 God will send someone, 22:39 what if it's a teacher, 22:41 a coach to give you what you need, 22:43 that inspiration, that endorsement to keep going. 22:47 The goal is to find your purpose in life. 22:50 God has created you for a purpose 22:52 and the goal is to find it and to live in that purpose. 22:56 And that's what I would definitely tell 22:57 young people today. 22:59 And if you question what the purpose is, 23:03 I tell them all the time, 23:04 it comes easy and they look at me as I was, I say, 23:08 I'll tell you this. 23:09 What is it that comes very easy to you, you know? 23:13 I've kids that they could sit down 23:15 and do things on a computer, 23:17 that I know some people went to school for couldn't do. 23:20 Yeah. 23:21 I say that came easy for you, that's a talent, that's a gift. 23:26 You might want to explore that. 23:27 God may have something for you in that area. 23:30 There are talented kids there. 23:32 You know, when I was coaching some kids 23:34 couldn't dribble and walk. 23:37 And there were some kids seem as though 23:39 they came out the womb dribbling the ball, 23:42 that was a gift, you know, 23:44 maybe there's some purpose in that, explore it, you know. 23:48 And I try to tell them 23:49 stick with what you know until it evolves. 23:52 Stick with what you know... 23:54 Yes. 23:55 Until it evolves, until you see something else 23:57 that you can develop and get into. 23:59 Exactly. 24:00 Wow. Yes. 24:02 You know, 24:03 I do speak in engagements all the time, 24:04 what if it's church, banquets, schools, you know, 24:09 I do it all because I love dealing with people, 24:15 young, old, I love instilling in them 24:19 some sort of inspiration. 24:22 And I always try to use my testimony 24:24 'cause God gave me this testimony, 24:27 and I'm gonna tell it and I'm gonna let people know 24:30 that God is the author and the finisher of my faith. 24:32 And he is the reason why I'm still here. 24:35 He is the reason why I've overcome 24:37 a lot of things in my life. 24:40 And so, you know, I try to, you know, 24:45 instill inspiration wherever I go. 24:47 And so, you know, I'm open, 24:49 of course they can always contact me. 24:52 You have a website? Oh, yes. 24:54 I have a website. 24:56 It is the theboyfromtheditch.com. 24:58 Theboyfromtheditch.com. 25:01 Wow! Okay. 25:03 And that's where you have like some, 25:06 besides being able to engage you 25:07 to be able to have you come and visit, 25:09 but do you have some suggestions, you know, 25:11 resources for parents and for young people 25:13 even to be able to come to, 25:15 they can search out and get that information. 25:19 Well, I don't know where to start. 25:22 You know, of course I've written a book. 25:24 Of course, they can always read that, 25:26 but I've done even more. 25:28 I've taken first quarter, 25:32 the third of my book 25:33 and composed it into a stage play. 25:36 Trying to be innovative and creative, 25:39 and reaching young and old in inspiration, 25:44 you know, we love the word. 25:46 We all loved it, 25:48 hear the word and, you know, 25:51 we love singing, music is beautiful. 25:53 But, you know, we're dealing with children, 25:57 it's a new generation, 25:58 they're hi-tech, they're savvy, 26:00 and their attention span is short, 26:02 and so we want to be creative 26:04 and intentional in getting their attention... 26:08 Right. 26:09 You know, and to instill inspiration in them. 26:12 You know, a lot of kids there, 26:14 they, you know, 26:16 being around kids I'm told alike, 26:18 they're just not interested in the same. 26:21 And so I just wanted to be a creative by taking my story, 26:25 transposing it to a stage play and presenting it. 26:30 And so, 26:31 that may be another way maybe for kids 26:33 to be able to learn either by coming to see the play 26:38 or even participating in role playing activities, you think? 26:43 Definitely. 26:45 Well, what I would like to do is, 26:48 you know, when kids come and see the play, 26:49 I would like to keep in touch. 26:51 We try to have some information 26:53 out where we can stay connected. 26:54 What if they're becoming a follower of my Facebook page 26:58 of Twitter or Instagram to where we can interact. 27:02 Mentorship is very important with youth these days. 27:06 Once again I cannot express enough how young people 27:10 need to feel that someone care. 27:12 You said endorsed, I like the way that is, 27:14 you know, it's like wow! 27:15 You know, people wear different logos 27:17 and things that represent a company. 27:19 When you say endorsed, 27:20 that word makes me think about 27:23 being having that support from their parents 27:25 and from those that really love them. 27:27 It's important, it's important, 27:30 you know, kid's confidence can dictate how hard it go. 27:35 You know, their confidence level 27:37 in just feeling endorsed and in feeling supported, 27:42 it gives them confidence to accomplish anything. 27:45 You know, we can mentor a child 27:48 and that can be the next child to cure cancer. 27:50 Say that, that's awesome. We can mentor a child. 27:52 No matter where they come from. 27:53 He could be the next child to cure AIDS, you know. 27:57 It just, we have to pull together. 28:00 Denis, I want to thank you so much 28:02 for coming to the program today. 28:04 Really appreciated your words of encouragement. 28:07 For those of you at home, wow, thank you so much. 28:09 Wasn't this an incredible story? 28:11 It was for me to listen to. Never give up, can't give up. 28:15 Let's just keep going with that thought 28:16 for the rest of the day. 28:18 Have a great day. |
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