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00:27 Welcome to Issues and Answers.
00:29 Did you know that the prevalence 00:31 of child sexual abuse is difficult to determine 00:35 because it is often not reported? 00:37 Experts agree that the incidences are far greater 00:41 than what is reported to authorities. 00:44 Our guests today are gonna talk about this subject. 00:47 It is Cheryl Williamson Jones, and David W. Jones II. 00:51 Cheryl received a degree in human development 00:54 from California State University, 00:56 San Bernardino. 00:57 She is the author of the new book, 00:59 "The Wedding Cake, 01:00 A Girl's Guide to Good Choices". 01:02 Cheryl's the president and cofounder 01:04 along with her husband David of All God's Children, 01:08 a non-profit organization 01:10 that strives to guide and improve 01:12 the lives of children 01:13 who have been victims 01:15 of physical and motional abuse. 01:17 She has been featured on many platforms, 01:19 including the radio show Rave Women in Los Angeles. 01:23 Cheryl is married to David 01:25 and David attended La Sierra University, 01:28 he is a certified therapeutic crisis intervention trainer 01:32 through Cornell University. 01:33 David and Cheryl have been married 15 years 01:37 and have been taking care of All God's Children 01:39 from the very beginning. 01:41 Welcome to the program, Cheryl and David. 01:44 Thank you. So glad, you would come. 01:46 Thank you so much for having us, Karen. 01:47 Thank you very much for having us. 01:48 So first I want to ask you, 01:50 did you have any idea that you're gonna be involved 01:53 in a work with children who have been abused? 01:57 Well, I have, this is the dream come true for me. 01:59 I have wanted to do this since I was a very young child. 02:02 So yes, this is something that I've always wanted to do. 02:07 Yes, for me, 02:08 growing up this was not part of my life experience, 02:11 knowing anything about children in this form of care, 02:15 but it's funny how life brings you full circle. 02:19 And brings you even to some of your past experience, 02:22 I mean, past experience of your generations 02:24 that you didn't even know were available or were there. 02:27 Right. 02:28 My grandmother actually grew up not too far from here 02:32 in a Catholic orphanage out of St. Louis, Missouri. 02:36 And growing up, you know, you would hear stories, 02:40 you know, you would hear about large orphanages 02:42 and that sort of thing. 02:44 Right. 02:45 But as it's presented today, you know, 02:46 I didn't even know that, 02:48 that was out there or available. 02:50 My first job out of high school, 02:52 I was a camp counselor. 02:54 Wow. 02:55 And now I find myself working with children 02:57 all over again, 02:58 even though this is not 02:59 what I had designed for my life, 03:01 I guess that's what God designed for my life, 03:02 which is always more important. 03:04 Amen, amen. 03:05 Now you said that you actually plan to, 03:08 what did you plan since you were a small girl? 03:10 Well, my dad's a retired social worker 03:14 and he would come home 03:16 and share stories with us about, 03:19 how difficult it was to place a large family of siblings 03:22 and those stories would touch me and I, 03:25 you know, as I got older or something that I just, 03:28 you know, always wanted to do. 03:29 Now, did you come from a perfect family yourself, 03:32 had you ever had any type of crisis 03:34 that would help you to be able to relate to the children 03:36 that you're helping now? 03:37 No, it's just, you know, 03:39 listening to my father and him sharing the stories, 03:42 and his struggles of finding good quality homes 03:44 for the children. 03:46 I remember one of a story in particular 03:47 he shared with me was about, there was six siblings, 03:50 the ages range from infancy to about 13 03:54 and how, when it was time to place them, 03:57 they simply did not have the placement for six children, 03:59 and they all had to be separated 04:01 and stories like that really inspired me 04:04 to do what I'm doing today. 04:05 Okay, so before you founded All God's Children, 04:10 what type of work were you involve with? 04:13 I was in telecommunications. 04:15 Telecommunications and I understand 04:18 that you also were a big sister at one point? 04:21 Yes, I was a voluntary big sister. 04:23 I also did volunteer work at juvenile home in Riverside, 04:27 California. 04:28 Volunteered? 04:29 Yes, I was a volunteer counselor. 04:31 I worked with boys, ages, I think it was 10 to 12 04:37 and I also worked at other residential homes. 04:40 So what was, you guys, 04:41 have a group homes, is that right? 04:43 Residential care, yes. Residential care. 04:45 What's the difference? 04:50 Well, we actually just don't like that connotation 04:54 because... 04:55 It sounds too institutionalize. 04:57 Yes. Okay. 04:58 And so we call it a home. 05:00 What we do, we work with children 05:02 that are most at risk that are out there, 05:06 because of the behaviors that they present 05:10 because of all the trauma 05:12 that has occurred in their lives, 05:13 they act out. 05:15 It's no surprise to us that they act out 05:17 because you would kind of expect, 05:19 you've been through all of this 05:20 but the thing is that they don't have the coping skills 05:22 that we have or that children 05:26 that would be in a more established 05:29 or traditional home might have. 05:32 And so they haven't developed those skills, 05:34 but they've learned ways to survive. 05:36 Right. 05:38 They've got, they have what we call survival skills. 05:40 And so they act out in a very bizarre ways 05:43 and, you know, when you see that 05:45 and it's presented, then we are willing to work 05:49 with those challenging behaviors. 05:51 But what happens that once you start saying, you know, 05:54 putting it into a more facility type term, then it, 05:58 basically children feel like 05:59 they're more of in a facility type place. 06:01 We want them to feel like they are at home. 06:02 So we reference where they live as home. 06:04 As home. 06:06 Not as a group home, it's just a home. 06:07 So we have a home for boys 06:09 and we have a home for our girls. 06:10 We do. 06:11 Okay, so now, is this the same as foster care? 06:15 Well, it's actually a step above foster care. 06:17 Yes. 06:18 So the child that... 06:19 So a step above. 06:21 Well, it's a more therapeutic structured environment 06:22 and there is someone awake 24 hours for supervision. 06:26 So the children that are in our care 06:29 have not been able to maintain their placement in foster care. 06:33 So the system has required for them 06:36 to actually move to higher level 06:38 where there's more therapy, there is more testing, 06:40 and, so that's... 06:42 So our children receive therapy from us. 06:45 They receive individual therapy, 06:47 group therapy. 06:49 If need be, we can offer family therapy. 06:52 They receive therapies once a week from us 06:54 and more sometimes if necessary depending what their needs are. 06:58 In addition to that, if they need psychiatric care, 07:02 then we get them involved with psychiatrist 07:05 for medication issues. 07:06 So we actually have the children that are more, 07:09 mostly disturbed than children in foster care. 07:11 So we have fire starters, 07:13 the ones that are abusive to animals, 07:15 the ones that have sexual issues, 07:18 the ones that just simply need supervision 24 hours. 07:21 Yeah, but you have to understand 07:22 that a child that's been physically abused, 07:24 that's how they're gonna act up, 07:26 probably is physically, 07:27 if child has been sexually abused, 07:28 may act out sexual. 07:30 They are communicating their pain through their 07:31 inappropriate behaviors. 07:32 Wow, so it sounds like do you do all the care yourself, 07:35 or do you have staff? 07:37 No... 07:38 We have a lot of help. We do. 07:39 What type of people help? 07:41 We may have between 22 to 32 individuals 07:44 that work with our program, 07:46 work with us, with the children not 07:48 including therapists. 07:50 The type of individuals that which look to work with us 07:53 are those individuals generally 07:55 that are seeking to go into these type of fields 07:57 and that's where we look for, when we look for employees 07:59 'cause we like to screen our employees 08:01 like we screen the children 08:02 because it's very important that the whole milieu fits. 08:04 Right. Right. 08:05 So we actually post jobs 08:08 for all the surrounding colleges 08:10 which is four, right? 08:11 Four surrounding colleges. 08:13 And I think it's even more than that. 08:14 And so we actually look for people 08:16 that are interested in working with children 08:18 that are studying in the social sciences. 08:20 But the majority of our employees 08:22 because they like it so much and it becomes, like I said, 08:25 you know, we try to create a family feel. 08:26 Yeah. 08:28 Most of them come word of mouth... 08:29 Right. 08:30 Or from their college professors saying, 08:32 "Hey, listen, you know, what? 08:33 If you're going in this field, you need some work experience, 08:34 call these people." 08:36 So you said, you weren't sure, you didn't know, 08:38 you wanted to do this from the very beginning. 08:39 A long time, yeah. 08:41 You weren't sure that you wanted to do that, 08:43 how did you get started? 08:44 This sounds like a pretty big enterprise for newly weds. 08:50 Well, let's see. 08:53 We started it was, you know, 08:54 it was something I wanted to do, 08:55 like I said my father, you know, 08:57 with his line of work really supported me 09:01 or supported us. 09:03 We started out with absolutely nothing. 09:06 We lived over, in a room, 09:08 over a garage for eight years with no heat, 09:12 just trying to get the business going. 09:14 It felt like the room started at your desk 09:16 and ended with this chair, it was that small. 09:18 That's where we spent 09:20 the first eight years of our marriage 09:21 but it all worked out and, 09:24 we really enjoyed what we were doing, 09:25 it was fun... 09:27 You know, honestly, I ran from it. 09:28 I mean, I wanted to support my wife of course, 09:30 this is what she wanted to do. 09:32 So I felt, well, God wanted me to support her. 09:35 But I found out that 09:37 I'm spending all of my extra time here 09:39 because they're having fun and doing all the fun things 09:43 that I enjoyed doing. 09:44 Right. 09:45 So after a couple of years of asking, she quit asking. 09:49 I did. I did. 09:51 And we started with six clients and now we have 18. 09:54 18 children. Yes. 09:56 Now tell me about the home environment. 09:58 So you said, the first home, what was that like, I mean, 10:00 what is the typical environment for this, for the children? 10:04 Is it like a building that you have? 10:06 No, no, it's our home. We lived there first. 10:08 Yeah. 10:09 We actually opened our doors... 10:11 And then we moved to that little room 10:12 over the garage and so our children... 10:15 How big is the home? 10:17 The house is 3,000 square feet on half an acre... 10:20 So it's a home. Little over half an acre. 10:21 Yeah. And the other home is on acre. 10:23 Yes. 10:25 But six years later we, 10:27 after seeing siblings not be able to grow up 10:31 with their brothers and sisters. 10:33 Right. We opened the girls' home. 10:35 That inspired us to open the girls' home 10:36 and showed us where the home was at. 10:38 It actually showed her 10:40 where the home was at because she... 10:41 Tell me about that story? 10:43 Well, we submitted our application to expand 10:47 and we could not find a location that we wanted. 10:50 Again, I was driving by and I was like praying, Lord, 10:53 if You could please just find a home for us. 10:56 Looked up, I pass this way everyday 10:59 and there was this huge sign saying house for sale. 11:02 It only been up, the lady said for three hours. 11:06 Three hours. Only been out for three hours. 11:07 And I get there... 11:09 And I called my husband 11:10 and said we have to go talk this lady. 11:11 She did. 11:13 And it was only three and a half miles 11:14 from the house, the first house, the boys' house. 11:16 The houses are a mile and a half away. 11:19 Three minute drive, yeah. 11:20 Three minute drive from one house to the next 11:22 and 20 minutes to walk in, 11:23 and I always tell our employees 11:25 that 20 minutes to walk is really important 11:27 because if you don't exercise young children, 11:29 young children would definitely exercise you. 11:32 So, yeah, get out there and enjoy, 11:35 but what was nice is that God brought us something 11:37 that was only a mile and a half away. 11:38 Yeah, in Southern California that... 11:41 So our second home is 4,000 square feet 11:44 on little over an acre. 11:46 On little over an acre. Wow. 11:47 And it's little bit further out into the country. 11:49 Well, that's awesome. 11:51 So how do you make this a home? 11:54 You said that it's not an office building, 11:56 it's not an institution. 11:59 Well, you fill it with love, you fill it with good memories. 12:02 Our children come with a lot of bad memories 12:06 so you try to expose them to new things, 12:09 you try to teach them new ways, we are trying to make... 12:13 My beautiful wife is a wonderful decorator. 12:17 You know, our girls' bathroom 12:19 actually has a chandelier hanging in it. 12:21 Wow. 12:22 Yes, yes and it's very nicely decorated, 12:26 there is little '50s diner where they eat in, 12:29 that we try to make it fun 12:30 because fun is our number one motivator 12:32 in dealing with children. 12:33 Oh, is that so? Yes. It is. 12:35 So, you know, you have to inspire them 12:36 to want something different. 12:39 So now the children all have their own space? 12:42 They do. 12:43 Two of them share a room. Okay. 12:46 Yeah. 12:47 So how do the kids come to you? 12:49 Well, they come to us... 12:52 Are they referred to you by friends or by church or... 12:55 Through the counties. Well, yes. 12:57 Through someone, you know County, Riverside County, 12:59 and Imperial County. 13:00 Imperial current County, 13:02 all of the surrounding counties, 13:03 San Diego County, we've had children from all over, 13:07 when we are full which is most of the time unfortunately, 13:12 we have 18 clients, 13:14 so you start multiplying that by, 13:18 17 years of being in business? 13:20 Right. And we've had hundreds of children. 13:23 That's probably hundred kids, clients or children. 13:25 So the phone can ring in the middle of the night. 13:26 Wonderful. Yeah, yeah. 13:27 So the phone can ring in the middle of the night 13:29 and there can be maybe a drug bust 13:30 or something going on 13:32 and sometimes we get children in the middle of the night, 13:34 in their little pajamas. 13:35 And they're so scared and, you know, 13:38 they'll just stand there with little teddy bear, 13:40 and they don't know what to do, 13:41 and you can get them middle of the day. 13:42 The phone rings all the time, you never know. 13:44 So children come to us as young as seven-years-old. 13:47 In fact, actually this morning I received a call 13:50 from one of the counties for a seven-year-old that, 13:53 we actually do not have room to take 13:56 and oftentimes especially 13:58 because that has become what we are known to work well 14:02 with is the younger children. 14:04 The little ones. 14:05 Although, we are licensed to do a non-minor dependents, 14:10 you know, there are no places for them. 14:13 So you're saying that this is just such an important issue 14:17 that unfortunately it's a crisis... 14:21 Yes. Even where you are living. 14:22 Yes. 14:24 And of course, we're seeing this across the United States. 14:26 It's a crisis that so many children 14:28 are going through this, and... 14:31 Yeah. 14:32 But God has given you all the ability 14:34 to be able to make a difference in the lives... 14:36 Yes. He has. 14:37 Of some of these precious children. 14:38 What kinds of fun things do you do with the kids? 14:41 Got lots of fun things, fly kites, go to beach, camp. 14:48 I love camping. We love camping. 14:51 We have taken our children from California, 14:54 the Pacific Ocean all the way to the Atlantic Ocean. 14:57 We've even brought them here to 3ABN, they're close to 3ABN. 15:00 They have them. Yes, they have been here. 15:01 We took the trip with a busted down van, 15:05 when we first got started and it was back in 2000 15:08 and we had five little boys with us 15:13 and we went through the Rockies, 15:16 down through the plains, the southern plains of Kansas, 15:19 and on toward we ended up at Rend Lake out here by 3ABN. 15:25 And then we went on to DC, 15:27 I think that year we did 27 states in 35 days. 15:32 But I've to tell you about the van. 15:33 The van was 12 years old 15:36 and we left California with three good tires 15:39 and one was just a prayer. 15:41 It was also busted by the time we came back here. 15:43 One tire is bad. 15:44 But yeah, it was brilliant. It was all faithful. 15:46 So now how do you travel with the kids? 15:48 Now we travel in RV. 15:49 We do a little bit better now. 15:51 We do a little bit better. 15:52 I don't speak with a foot in my face. 15:54 We do. 15:55 But when we first purchased the RV, 15:57 we had to make some moderations, 15:58 we changed it around 16:00 so we could accommodate more children. 16:01 More kid friendly. So, yeah. 16:02 But even then, we still. 16:04 I mean, it's camping, you belong in a tent, so... 16:06 So all the kids get their own tent? 16:08 Yeah. They all? 16:09 Yeah, they definitely have their tent. 16:11 They all have their own tent, 16:12 their own sleeping bag and everything. 16:15 They're able to put the tents up together themselves. 16:17 Yeah. We practice invariably. 16:18 And we get out in nature, we have a great time. 16:21 And it's amazing 16:22 because being out in nature calms the children. 16:25 It really does. 16:26 And being out in areas that they're not used to 16:29 like we if are in Zion's Tower... 16:30 It draws us closer and it builds trust. 16:32 Wyoming and Yellowstone 16:34 or out by us is Yosemite or Mammoth Lake, 16:37 they learn to trust each other 16:40 and trust in us a little bit more as well. 16:43 So I understand that just from your experiences 16:46 something wonderful happened with you, Cheryl, 16:49 you wrote a book. 16:50 Yes. Yes, I did. 16:52 Tell us about the book, what's the title? 16:53 Do you have it with you? Yes, I do. 16:55 Oh, there it is right there. 16:56 Okay, so tell us about the book? 16:58 It's called The Wedding Cake Book 17:00 and A Girl's Guide To Good Choices, 17:03 it's a book to be used as a tool 17:05 to speak to young ladies 17:06 about the importance of abstinence 17:08 and the consequences of premarital sex. 17:10 Okay. So how did that come to be? 17:15 What, you know, had you written other books before? 17:17 No, no, writing a book 17:19 was something I had never inspired to do, 17:21 no desire to ever write a book. 17:23 But I found that I was struggling 17:25 with talking to our girls 17:27 about the importance of respecting their bodies. 17:30 And I was continually getting calls 17:33 from the principal 17:34 about finding my girls in appropriate situations. 17:38 And when they come home, 17:40 I would just try to speak to them 17:42 about the importance of respecting their bodies 17:44 and making good choices. 17:46 And I wasn't very good at it, it just, I wasn't reaching them 17:49 and I felt really frustrated, 17:51 I actually went to a large local book store 17:53 and I was speaking to the lady at the store 17:56 and I said, "You know, do you have anything 17:58 that I can use as a guide to talk to these young girls 18:02 about abstinence?" 18:03 And, you know, she went to her computer 18:05 and she says, "You know, we do not have anything here." 18:08 So I left and I just, 18:10 you know, a couple of weeks passed 18:11 and I got another call from the principal 18:14 and this time I started praying. 18:17 I was driving to the girls' house and I said, 18:20 "Lord, if you could please just give me something 18:23 to help these girls." 18:24 Yes. 18:26 You know, I really need to reach them 18:27 and in about three minutes 18:30 all these different ideas started to pop into my head. 18:33 Wow. 18:34 It was almost like I was brainstorming like, 18:36 anything that had to do with little girls 18:37 was just popping through my head like Barbies, 18:40 princess, things like that. 18:42 By the time I got out of my car, 18:43 got to the door, 18:44 I had the metaphor of the Wedding Cake in my head 18:48 and I was speaking to a little girl, 18:51 we went to the back room 18:52 and I started sharing this new idea 18:55 that I had in my head with her 18:57 and she looked at me and she said, 18:58 "Mrs. Cheryl, I understand 19:00 what you've been trying to tell me now." 19:01 And I said, "You do?" 19:03 I was surprised. 19:04 And so I was just over the years 19:05 just started developing the story 19:07 and it started growing. 19:08 So for five years I used the metaphor, 19:11 "The Wedding Cake" 19:12 and at one staff meeting, 19:16 one of my employee said to me, "We got a new client." 19:18 And she says, "Mrs. Cheryl, 19:21 we need to share this story with another girl, a new girl." 19:23 And I said, "Okay. Next week I'll do that." 19:25 So David here, my husband... 19:27 We've been in the staff meeting. 19:28 Right, right, right. 19:29 In staff meeting they were like, "Oh, Mrs. Cheryl, 19:31 so and so needs you to talk to her about The Wedding cake." 19:36 And Wedding Cake? 19:39 You know, one of my male staff is like, "Wedding cake? 19:40 I want some wedding cake. I love wedding cake." 19:42 'Cause the male staff didn't know 19:43 what I was talking about. 19:44 They're like, yeah, I mean, who doesn't love cake, right? 19:46 Right. 19:47 So, you know, I asked her about it 19:49 and she is like, "Oh, don't worry about it, 19:50 it's nothing." 19:51 Right. 19:53 So it kind of, out of sight, out of mind 19:54 and it comes up again. 19:56 So I said, "What is this about the wedding cake?" 19:59 And... So we got home. 20:01 She says, it's a tool that we, you know... 20:03 I've been using it for like five years, 20:04 to talk to the girls about the importance of abstinence 20:06 and respecting their bodies. 20:08 So we get home and he, I was sitting on the couch 20:11 and David, he is lot bigger than I am, 20:13 takes his leg and lays it over my leg and he says, 20:15 "I'm not gonna let you up, 20:17 until you tell me about this metaphor 20:19 and this wedding cake." 20:20 Okay, good. 20:22 Let's take a look at that book please. 20:24 What a beautiful cover it is. 20:26 Thank you. 20:28 Beautiful green, The Wedding Cake. 20:29 Well, this is a very interesting picture 20:31 on the back. 20:32 Yes, it is. 20:34 It's got a bride in the middle, has two bows. 20:36 Yes, that's the groom holding the crumbs 20:38 and the other is the young man 20:40 that has enjoyed the wedding cake. 20:43 Let's look and see what's inside, everybody. 20:47 Okay, so this looks like the beginning, 20:51 it got lot of presents, beautiful gifts, okay. 20:54 What does this picture represent? 20:56 The perfect wedding cake. 20:58 So the wedding cake 21:00 historically has been a symbol of fertility 21:03 for the woman. 21:06 And so I just had my illustrator 21:09 put the perfect cake there, 21:10 just displaying the table cloth and the knife and the... 21:15 Well, we should gonna be using for the first time. 21:17 And I understand it that's our child. 21:20 Right. 21:21 Wow. 21:23 Okay, let's go to another picture. 21:25 My, seem things have changed, what's going on here? 21:29 Well, I used the wedding cake as a metaphor, 21:32 so as you flip through the pages of the book, 21:36 you're going to see that with each choice that you make 21:39 with each young boy, 21:41 your wedding cake is going to transform. 21:43 So it's going to go from the perfect wedding cake 21:46 to in this particular illustration, 21:48 it has the cake tilted a little bit 21:50 and it has the finger swipe. 21:52 Finger swipe. 21:55 That would be the boy that just wanted the little taste. 21:59 This one says the second boy. 22:01 Second boy, again the cake transforms, 22:04 so now you'll have a cake 22:05 that has, it's tilted even more, 22:08 it has the fingers swiped from the first boy, 22:11 along with the bite 22:12 out of the cake from the second boy. 22:18 Oh, my, tell us about this... 22:20 Yes, the third boy, he has eaten 22:25 some of the lovely little pink flowers off of the cake 22:28 and the cake is tilted even more. 22:31 You have the bite and the finger swipe. 22:33 So basically, as you go through the book 22:36 all the illustrations are simply just showing you 22:39 how with the choices you make. 22:42 Yes, yes, you can see that the icings... 22:46 Is there any icing left? 22:48 There's still a little bit of icing... 22:50 All the roses are gone. 22:52 There's a little bit of icing left but it just... 22:54 Right. 22:55 The illustrations are powerful for young girls... 22:57 Are you sure? 22:58 Because it actually shows you 22:59 how your choices affect your body. 23:01 Yes, that's one of my favorite pictures there. 23:04 Why? 23:06 Because it's the result of all your bad choices. 23:09 So it really shown there. You can clearly see, yes. 23:11 There is no icing on that cake. 23:13 No, not, not one drop. 23:15 Shows everything. 23:17 Yes. 23:18 Yes, it does. 23:22 And that one, 23:24 I like it because it just kind of speaks to 23:30 what the choices you've made, 23:31 how they are going to affect the husband, 23:33 the man you chose to marry 23:35 and I like little napkin on that guy 23:38 who has been eating your cake. 23:39 How his face looks in... 23:40 You know, to me that picture right there kind of... 23:42 Kind of says it all, kind of sums everything up 23:45 to how your choices are... 23:47 What is the affect? How it affects. 23:48 Well, you know, one guy is sitting there 23:51 and licking his chops 'cause he's enjoyed everything, 23:53 when the person who was willing to commit 23:56 is, you know, more or less left with all of the fallout 24:01 of what happens with relationships 24:03 when you have these other choices. 24:05 And it's all, everything 24:06 that you're bringing to your marriage. 24:08 And the young lady looks like 24:09 she is kind of trying to deal with all of her choices 24:11 right there on her wedding day, 24:12 looking at her husband's expression. 24:15 Wow. 24:20 Now this is when you get a little bit more explicit 24:22 and you start teaching the girls? 24:24 Right, so... 24:25 Sexually transmitted diseases and other things? 24:28 Right. 24:29 So in this book I, again, it's a guide. 24:32 So you're going to use this book 24:34 according to where your child is? 24:35 And according to the questions that they ask? 24:37 So you can go into more detail 24:39 or you can just kind of stay in general, 24:40 depending again on where your child is. 24:42 So I actually address three different consequences 24:46 or possible consequences of having premarital sex. 24:49 I address the STDs 24:51 and if you look at the illustration, 24:53 it kind of shows, 24:55 that has the symptoms of STDs on the actual wedding cake. 25:00 And so depending on where your child is, 25:01 depending on it. 25:03 Little bugs and... So it depends on... 25:04 Bugs, oh, okay, well, we totally understand. 25:06 So the symptoms of STDs, 25:08 so that illustration you can actually go into more detail 25:11 with your daughter, or young lady, 25:13 or you can keep it more general 25:14 depending on again where she is. 25:16 So it addresses that, it also addresses 25:18 on the possibility of pregnancy, 25:21 and how it's going to affect your life forever, 25:25 and how it's going to affect your child's life. 25:28 And then I also talked about 25:29 the emotional aspect of having premarital sex 25:34 and that is where you are in life 25:37 and how you're going to deal with those, 25:39 and how you can possibly carry over those feelings 25:41 into your future relationships. 25:43 Wow. 25:45 Is that, what's happening in this picture here? 25:47 You know, everyone is affected in the relationship 25:49 by the choices that we make. 25:51 That's very true. That's very true. 25:53 Yes. Yes, it is. 25:54 What about this picture, Cheryl? 25:56 That picture, I really like that picture, 25:58 because I like the fact that it shows redemption, 26:01 and I like the fact that 26:05 it has all those different words 26:07 of encouragement for each girl. 26:09 A lot of our girls are victims 26:11 and they've had things happen to them, 26:13 that's by no choice of their own, 26:15 and so I didn't want them to feel damaged, 26:16 I wanted them to have hope. 26:18 So that's what that picture basically represents. 26:20 It's beautiful. 26:21 They're rebuilding the wedding cake. 26:23 You can rebuild your cake. 26:25 Until it's beautiful and perfect just like before. 26:29 I love this book, it's so nice. 26:31 Thank you. Thank you. 26:32 So tell me about All God's children. 26:34 How can people get into contact with you? 26:36 You obviously have a book 26:38 so that means you do training as well, 26:39 both of you? 26:40 Well, you can contact us through allgodschildren.net 26:42 which is our website. 26:45 And we can purchase the book? 26:47 I'm sorry, it's allgodschildren.us. 26:50 Allgodschildren.us. 26:51 Yes. 26:53 Okay and we can get the book from the website? 26:55 You can order the book from the website. 26:57 Theweddingcakebook.net. 26:59 Theweddingcakebook.net. Yes. 27:03 And you guys are available to be able to travel 27:06 and to be able to help other people, 27:08 who are going through some of these things? 27:10 Do you have resources on your website? 27:12 Yes, just, okay, you can contact us 27:14 through the website or through 3ABN. 27:16 Fantastic, fantastic. 27:18 Well, I certainly appreciate your coming 27:20 and sharing with us. 27:21 Thank you, Karen, for having us. 27:23 I want to just ask you... We enjoyed being here. 27:24 Oh, sorry, yes. 27:26 Can you tell me one quick, quick story 27:28 how is this, how is the book? 27:29 What's been the result of the book? 27:31 Has it made a difference with the girls 27:33 that you are working with? 27:34 It has. 27:35 I have to tell you, the book is very effective. 27:37 And what is so inspirational to me is that, 27:41 it was a gift to her from God 27:44 in a very desperate moment, 27:46 and it works. 27:48 Praise God. It works. 27:49 Well, thank you, guys, so much, 27:50 David and Cheryl, for coming to the program today. 27:53 Thank you for sharing about The Wedding Cake. 27:55 You know, 2 Corinthians 5:17 says that, 27:59 "If anyone is in Christ, man, woman, boy, or girl 28:03 that he is a new creature, 28:05 old things are passed away. 28:07 We are the workmanship of God, created unto a good works." 28:11 That is a message full of hope for everyone. 28:14 Thank you for joining us today. Have a blessed day. |
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