Participants: John Bradshaw
Series Code: IIW
Program Code: IIW001317
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00:01 What do Super Bowl winning quarterback Terry Bradshaw,
00:04 television personality David Letterman 00:06 and business tycoon T. Boone Pickens all have in common? 00:10 Well, apart from being tremendously successful 00:12 in their chosen careers, they've all had a serious battle 00:16 with depression. 00:18 Depression can be seriously debilitating, and people 00:21 of faith are not immune to its effects. 00:25 I've come to Weimar, California to speak with 00:27 Dr. Neil Nedley, the president of Nedley Health Solutions, 00:31 and an expert in the area of depression. 00:34 Does God have a way out of depression? 00:38 And what help does the Bible offer? 00:40 Today we find out. 00:41 Thank you for joining me on It Is Written. 00:52 >: It has stood the test of time. 00:56 God's book, the Bible. 01:01 Still relevant in today's complex world. 01:06 It Is Written. 01:09 Sharing hope around the globe. 01:20 JB: Dr. Nedley, thanks so much for joining me today. 01:22 Appreciate it. 01:23 NN: It's great to be here. 01:24 JB: We're talking about a very, very serious subject 01:26 today, that of depression. 01:28 It affects people, it's no respecter of persons. 01:32 NN: Correct. 01:33 JB: If you're wealthy, not so wealthy, bright, not so 01:35 bright, male, female, doesn't matter your ethnic 01:37 background. 01:39 If you're a believer in God or not, you can still be 01:40 depressed. 01:42 NN: Exactly. 01:42 JB: Which is interesting, isn't it? 01:44 The Bible enjoins us to rejoice and be happy and in God's 01:46 presence there is joy, and yet there are many people 01:51 in church clinically depressed. 01:53 NN: Yeah. 01:54 JB: Before we talk about the right way out, what, 01:59 in your experience, are most people doing to treat 02:03 their depression? 02:04 NN: Well, the most common treatment is medication. 02:06 And well over $20 billion is spent in this country 02:11 on the medicines alone. 02:12 And many of these medicines are expensive. 02:16 There are all sorts of antidepressants out there, 02:18 and they're flying off shelves. 02:21 But they're not a cure-all. 02:23 They're not the fix. 02:24 JB: Is it true that antidepressants 02:25 are the largest selling classification of drugs? 02:28 NN: Correct, yes. 02:29 JB: Is it helping? 02:30 NN: Well, it helps 20% of them to the point where 02:33 they're no longer depressed. 02:35 JB: Two out of ten depressed people take medication 02:40 and essentially get over the depression. 02:42 NN: Correct. 02:43 JB: Two out of ten. 02:44 So eight out of ten not so much. 02:46 NN: Eight out ten, right. 02:47 In fact, three out of ten won't experience even 02:50 a slight improvement with the drugs. 02:54 Even a combination, if you put four antidepressants 02:57 on them, and raise the dose, they're still not going 03:00 to respond. 03:01 So three out of ten will have zero response to medication. 03:05 And then what's left in the middle are those who get 03:08 a slight or moderate response, but are still clinically 03:13 depressed and still suffering from it. 03:15 JB: Half of people taking medication for depression, 03:19 they're still depressed even though they're taking 03:20 the medication. 03:21 NN: Exactly. 03:22 JB: Now, I'm just thinking for the cynic who says, oh, 03:25 come on. 03:26 But this is statistically true. 03:28 NN: Oh, absolutely. 03:30 It's been shown, in fact, if anything, I'm stating things 03:33 more in favor of the pharmaceuticals 03:38 than the statistics are actually showing. 03:40 So I'm quoting drug company data. 03:42 This is the data from the drug companies themselves 03:45 that I'm quoting. 03:46 JB: You got this data from what the drug companies say. 03:49 NN: From the drug companies, yeah. 03:50 So that's why I'm saying, if anything I'm slighting 03:52 it toward the drug companies. 03:53 There are some studies out here that indicate that 03:56 antidepressants virtually help no one. 04:00 Now, I don't believe that personally because 04:03 as a doctor I've prescribed antidepressants and I've seen 04:05 their effect in some people in a positive way. 04:08 But in reality, I've also realized that this is not 04:12 the cure. 04:14 This may help some people, but there are far better 04:17 approaches to treating depression, with far less 04:21 side effects, and they're far cheaper. 04:23 JB: What are some of the side effects people are getting 04:25 from medication, just quickly? 04:26 NN: Well, weight gain is one of the big ones. 04:29 And so it tends to cause weight gain, it tends to cause 04:32 them to have an "I don't care" attitude. 04:35 So that when something happens in their life, 04:38 like their spouse dies, they feel like they should cry 04:40 at the funeral and care about this, but it's kind of like, 04:43 eh, oh well. 04:44 And that's not a healthy thing. 04:47 It also increases impulsiveness at first when 04:51 you start taking it. 04:52 And that's why they have black box warnings on them 04:54 that say if someone is suicidal, watch out because this 04:58 will increase their impulsiveness, and suicide 05:03 is often an impulsive act. 05:05 And so here the person who's suicidal needs to get better, 05:09 but the drug that they're utilizing might tide them 05:12 over the edge, and it's a very difficult situation for 05:15 caregivers or physicians to know what to do with these 05:18 individuals when they're to that point. 05:22 JB: But there is a safe way, there is a healthy way to treat 05:24 depression, even to help people get out of depression. 05:28 We're going to talk about that in just a moment. 05:29 What are some other things that people do in terms 05:31 of self-medication? 05:32 NN: Oh well, chocolate, you know, is a big one. 05:35 The soda pops, if you just count the cans of soda pop 05:38 leaving a grocery store. 05:40 Carbohydrates actually not only taste good but they 05:42 transiently increase serotonin levels. 05:45 Unfortunately, there's a nadir, so they drop it below 05:48 neutral afterward. 05:50 JB: Can you explain serotonin for me? 05:52 NN: Well, serotonin is a brain chemical that actually elevates 05:54 mood and helps us to concentrate better, and helps us 05:59 to actually sleep better as well. 06:02 JB: Which means that if I get a hit of something that 06:04 increases my serotonin level, I just feel a whole lot 06:06 better. 06:07 NN: You feel better, yeah. 06:08 And so these people, by self-medicating, they 06:10 actually do feel a little better. 06:12 They're altering some of their brain chemistry. 06:14 But the self-medicated routes, be it alcohol 06:17 or chocolate or cocaine or pornography, 06:22 these self-medicated routes actually produce a greater 06:26 nadir, in other words, a greater drop, 06:29 the more often we utilize it. 06:31 So first people do it to try to experience pleasure. 06:35 But afterward they're not doing it to experience 06:39 pleasure, they're just trying to do it to get up to neutral. 06:42 And in between times, even though there's nothing sad 06:45 around them, they feel sad, as a result of their 06:48 self-medication. 06:49 JB: Depression's a massive, massive issue. 06:51 I know you've described it as an epidemic. 06:54 NN: Yeah. 06:55 JB: One in ten Americans are currently depressed. 06:58 Research suggests that one in two women may experience 07:02 depression in their life. 07:04 NN: At some point in their life. 07:06 JB: That's just a dramatic figure. 07:08 Now, God has a way out. 07:10 And I'm going to be speaking with Dr. Nedley about that 07:13 way out in just a moment. 07:18 JB: It Is Written is dedicated to sharing the Gospel 07:20 around the world. 07:22 To discover more about It Is Written, I invite you 07:24 to visit our website, ItIsWritten.com, and browse 07:28 the dozens of pages that describe what we do 07:30 and how we do it. 07:32 Let's get to know each other better. 07:33 Visit our website, ItIsWritten.com, today. 07:38 JB: I'm with Dr. Neil Nedley today, president of Nedley 07:41 Health Solutions and the founder of the Nedley Clinic, 07:46 and the author of the book called "Depression: 07:47 The Way Out." 07:48 We've been speaking about depression, it's causes 07:52 and today its cures. 07:54 Dr. Nedley, what's the way out of depression? 07:57 I don't think this is a simple, single, pithy answer. 08:00 This might be a multi-faceted answer. 08:02 But walk us through the journey. 08:04 Obviously, this is a very brief walk. 08:07 The way out of depression, where should a person 08:09 be looking? 08:10 NN: Well, first of all they need to try to find out 08:11 the underlying causes in them. 08:12 And so that's where we start with the individual. 08:16 We find out, do they have frontal lobe causes, do they 08:19 have lifestyle causes, nutritional causes? 08:22 What's going on in their life in regard to their thought 08:25 process? 08:26 Are there distorted thoughts there? 08:28 And of course, for the vast majority of people 08:29 with depression, most of those are a major issue. 08:33 And so we start them out on a pathway. 08:36 The first thing we start them out on is a regular exercise 08:39 program. 08:41 We want them to exercise ideally 60 minutes a day. 08:47 It can be divided up into a couple of sessions. 08:50 But regular aerobic exercise helps depression, and that's 08:53 our first step with them. 08:56 We also, as part of that, try to get them out into light. 09:00 Light therapy actually helps depression. 09:05 And if they can't get into life because of their job 09:08 and it's wintertime, then they need to get a medical-grade 09:11 light box and actually experience the simulated blue 09:15 sky light, which is the best type of wavelength light 09:19 to help with depression. 09:21 JB: We're talking about a debilitating, disabling 09:24 condition, depression. 09:26 I've asked you the way out, and the first two things 09:29 you tell me are exercise and sunlight. 09:32 Now, that's pretty simple. 09:34 NN: It's pretty simple. 09:35 JB: All right. 09:36 I'm not exactly sure what you're going to say next, 09:39 but I think we're seeing a pattern here. 09:41 So what would be the next thing you'd recommend? 09:43 NN: Well, the next thing we would recommend is getting 09:46 on a regular schedule with regular sleep/wake times. 09:49 And ideally, early to bed, early to rise. 09:53 And ideally, up at 6:00 a.m. 09:55 or maybe a little before and getting that light therapy, 09:59 first thing in the morning. 10:00 That's a crucia role. 10:02 Then next we're going to deal with the food that you're 10:06 eating. 10:08 We're going to try to get you on a diet that's higher 10:10 in tryptophan, higher in tyrosine. 10:14 JB: What's tryptophan? 10:15 NN: Tryptophan is an amino acid that is turn into 10:18 serotonin in the brain. 10:20 JB: What's the other one? 10:22 NN: Tyrosine is another amino acid, it's turned into 10:24 norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain. 10:27 JB: People talk about brain food. 10:29 Do you believe in it? 10:30 NN: Absolutely. 10:31 JB: So the diet's going to look like what? 10:34 NN: Well, the diet is going to be more plant based. 10:37 The plant-based foods tend to be higher in the natural 10:41 carbohydrates that get the tryptophan and tyrosine 10:44 into the brain. 10:45 We're also going to be emphasizing foods higher 10:48 in Omega 3, foods like spinach and walnut, flax seed, 10:55 chia seeds and almonds. 10:58 Green soybeans. 11:00 JB: I'm going to challenge you just a little bit here. 11:02 I'm just wondering if someone's going, eh. 11:04 But hang on a minute. 11:05 What would you do to come back from depression 11:09 if you were suffering from depression? 11:11 This doesn't sound like a terrible cross to have 11:13 to carry, changing your diet like that. 11:15 NN: Right, well, and actually the food can be quite tasty. 11:18 JB: Sure, no question. 11:19 NN: In fact, in our book that you mentioned, 11:21 we have the recipes in there. 11:22 And the people who come to our program, 11:25 the first day they like it. 11:27 So tasty food can actually be healthy if we train the cook. 11:31 JB: Absolutely. 11:32 So if you can kind of eat your way to good health, 11:35 to depression, and I'm sure it's not just diet. 11:39 This is one thing of a number of effects. 11:41 But that means that people are kind of eating 11:44 their way into depression. 11:45 NN: Oh, absolutely. 11:47 Yeah, the fast food industry, where it's high in fat, high 11:50 in protein, virtually no carbohydrates, that actually 11:56 is going to lead to depression in many people. 11:58 I mean, if they have enough hits. 12:00 Again, nutrition is just one of ten different hit 12:03 categories. 12:04 JB: And if you have how many of those hit categories? 12:06 NN: Four. 12:07 Four out of ten. 12:08 JB: Okay, then you're in danger of developing 12:10 depression. 12:11 NN: Exactly. 12:13 JB: So eating well is a key to overcoming depression. 12:16 NN: Eating well, a major key. 12:17 JB: What else? 12:19 NN: Another key is, and this is after we do the nutrition 12:22 and the lifestyle. 12:24 In fact, there's a couple of other things I should mention 12:26 in that. 12:27 Adequate hydration. 12:28 Just drinking enough water. 12:30 JB: Another very, very simple thing. 12:33 NN: Right. 12:34 And it's pretty powerful in regard to what it does 12:36 to brain chemistry. 12:37 JB: Why? 12:39 Why is water so crucial? 12:40 NN: Well, water is crucial because our neurotransmitters 12:43 actually communicate with the neurons 12:48 through a fluid medium. 12:50 And if there isn't enough hydration there, 12:54 the communication system in the brain gets gummed up, 12:56 essentially, that's kind of the JB: The layman's term. 12:59 NN: Basic way to describe it. 13:01 So yeah, adequate hydration, 6 to 8 glasses of water a day 13:04 minimum. 13:05 JB: A lot of people aren't getting that, right? 13:07 NN: That's right. 13:09 JB: How about, well, I drink plenty of soda, 13:12 isn't that good enough? 13:13 No, that doesn't qualify, right? 13:16 NN: No, actually, none of those qualify, the studies show. 13:19 All the rest are water substitutes and are not 13:21 the same. 13:22 JB: So we're not going to be thinking that some sort of soda 13:26 or caffeinated stuff is a water substitute. 13:29 NN: Or even dairy, yeah. 13:30 JB: Okay, not even there. 13:31 So it's gotta be water water. 13:33 NN: It's gotta be water. 13:34 And then also an important element is hydrotherapy. 13:37 In other words, hot and cold treatments. 13:42 We call that natural shockwave treatments 13:45 for those who are severely depressed. 13:48 It actually, in our experience, works as good as the ECT, 13:52 the shockwave treatments, without you having to get 13:54 general anesthesia and seizures and lose your 13:57 memory and things like that. 13:59 And so we describe how to do that in our materials, 14:02 but that can be a good starter. 14:05 And so we put people on that part first, and then we lead 14:11 them into analyzing their distorted thoughts. 14:14 And that's when we get to some of the crux 14:17 of the matter, so to speak. 14:18 There are 10 commandments in the Bible, and there are 14:22 10 different ways of distorted thinking. 14:24 And so we teach the individual, once they get the spa-- 14:27 we call the first part the spa experience. 14:30 Once they get that spa experience, then their 14:33 circulation in their brain is good enough where they can 14:35 start analyzing their thoughts for distortion. 14:38 Things like overgeneralizing, like Elijah said, I'm the 14:42 only one who hasn't bowed the knee to Baal. 14:44 JB: So what you've got are people who are depressed, 14:46 they're not thinking right. 14:48 You create an environment where the thoughts are moving 14:50 freer and more healthfully, and now they can do some 14:54 healthy self-analysis, look at what the problems 14:55 really are. 14:57 NN: Exactly. 14:58 And that's a very crucial, that will enhance frontal 15:01 lobe function. 15:02 Just the analysis itself, of seeing if there 15:06 is a distorted thought and then correcting that distorted 15:08 thought will actually enhance frontal lobe activity 15:10 and will help the individual recover. 15:12 JB: Now, tell me again what's so important about the frontal 15:14 lobe. 15:16 NN: Well, the frontal lobe is the seat of spirituality, 15:18 morality and the will. 15:20 The will means it's our decision maker. 15:23 So it's actually the area that we make decisions, 15:26 we provide analysis. 15:27 It really gives us the ability to accomplish advanced planning 15:30 and thinking. 15:32 JB: If you have the lifestyle practices in your life that 15:34 are messing with your frontal lobe capacity, you simply 15:36 can't make the decisions. 15:38 NN: Absolutely, yeah. 15:39 It's why depressed people tend to get more depressed, 15:42 because their decision-making ability is down. 15:44 So they end up suffering from those complications. 15:46 JB: Okay, so we got to where people are analyzing thoughts 15:49 and learning to make better decisions and so forth. 15:51 NN: Yes, a crucial element. 15:52 And also a crucial element that helps with that 15:55 is the spiritual part. 15:56 The reading of Proverbs, for instance, or the listening 16:03 to music like King Saul was listening to, you know, 16:08 the soft harp music or soft classical music that can help 16:12 to direct our thoughts can be helpful and can enhance 16:16 frontal lobe function. 16:17 And so we utilize that. 16:19 We utilize what we call cognitive behavioral therapy, 16:21 which is the analysis of the thoughts. 16:24 We utilize the type of music that's been shown in controlled 16:27 trials to help with depression recovery. 16:31 Interestingly, it's the same type of music that a lot 16:34 of hymns are composed from in the church. 16:38 And then on top of that, we then provide the spiritual 16:44 material that can also help enhance frontal lobe 16:48 function. 16:49 JB: And a person goes through this process and implements 16:52 these changes in their lives, I've seen people helped 16:56 dramatically by this. 16:58 NN: Absolutely. 16:59 I mean, in just 10 days. 17:01 We run 10-day programs for treatment-resistant 17:04 depression. 17:06 And when the relatives come 10 days later, often they 17:10 will break out and cry and they'll look at us and say, 17:12 "What did you do?" 17:14 I mean, just looking at them they can tell immediately 17:16 that things are far better and they can see life return, 17:21 and energy. 17:25 One of the wonderful things that happens that we document 17:28 in our program, their emotional intelligence, in just 10 days, 17:31 goes to the top 20 percentile in the nation. 17:36 So they actually have better emotional intelligence 17:39 than people who've never been depressed. 17:41 And emotional intelligence has more to do with their 17:43 future success in life than any other factor. 17:46 So the sky's the limit for these people. 17:49 JB: No drugs needed. 17:50 NN: No drugs needed. 17:51 JB: No messy side effects. 17:52 NN: That's right, exactly. 17:53 JB: God's way's always the right way, isn't it? 17:55 NN: Absolutely. 17:56 JB: God's way is the right way, and God does have 17:59 a way out. 18:00 What's so important about this is that depression is so 18:02 debilitating, it complicates lives on many, many lives, 18:06 and it has a seriously deleterious effect on 18:10 a person's relationship with God. 18:12 And we don't want that, and God doesn't want that 18:14 either. 18:15 I'll be back with a few more thoughts on this, on depression 18:18 and its cures, with Dr. Neil Nedley in just 18:20 a moment. 18:23 >: In Matthew 4:4 the Word of God says, "It is written, man 18:27 shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds 18:31 from the mouth of God." 18:33 "Every Word" is a one-minute, Bible-based daily devotional 18:36 presented by Pastor John Bradshaw and designed 18:39 especially for busy people like you. 18:43 Look for "Every Word" on selected networks or watch it 18:45 online every day on our website, itiswritten.com. 18:48 Receive a daily spiritual boost, watch "Every Word." 18:52 You'll be glad you did. 18:56 JB: I'm talking about depression today with 18:58 Dr. Neil Nedley of the Nedley Clinic, president of Nedley 19:02 Health Solutions, a man who has been successfully 19:04 treating people with depression for many, many years. 19:07 Dr. Nedley, Christians suffer depression. 19:10 NN: Yes, absolutely they can. 19:12 People from all faiths can suffer from depression, 19:16 as well as people of no faith. 19:18 JB: Well, why that's significant is because, 19:20 you know, Christians are meant to be happy and Christians 19:22 are meant to be full of joy, and enjoy the Lord 19:24 as your strength. 19:25 Do you find that certain types of Christians suffer 19:28 depression more or less than other types of Christians? 19:30 NN: Yeah, this has been well studied. 19:33 Duke University found that the denominations that have 19:38 the least rates of depression are the fundamentalist 19:41 denominations, ones that believe in the Word of God, 19:45 for instance, and believe that God has a plan for their 19:50 lives and speaks to them through his Word. 19:56 That would describe the fundamentalists, and those 20:01 have less depression than others. 20:05 JB: Now, depression, I've found, there's a bit 20:10 of a stigma attached to it. 20:12 I don't know whether society has stigmatized it, 20:15 or whether people just feel that way. 20:17 Is that true? 20:19 NN: Well, there is a stigma. 20:20 A lot of people with depression don't want anyone else to know 20:22 about it. 20:24 They're picking up their pharmaceuticals and making 20:27 sure no one else knows about it, etc. It turns out people 20:31 do know about it. 20:32 They think they're hiding it, but in reality you can't hide 20:34 it when you're working and your living in families, 20:37 etc. The depression is going to manifest itself in multiple 20:41 ways. 20:42 But because of that stigma, they have a reservation 20:46 to really go out and try to seek treatment, or come to a program 20:49 like a depression recovery program in their community, 20:52 for fear that they're going to be seen. 20:56 But what I've noticed is, when they recover from their 20:59 depression completely, and that joy returns, they have 21:03 no problem telling people how depressed they actually were. 21:07 And then the stigma is gone. 21:09 So if you have that stigma, the best way to take care 21:12 of it is, get the treatment that's going to cure it, 21:18 and then you don't have to worry about the stigma, and then 21:20 you can own up to it. 21:22 JB: God has been curing depression for millennia, 21:25 hasn't he? 21:26 NN: Yes. 21:27 JB: Give me an example from the Bible. 21:28 NN: Well, Elijah, when he was depressed, angels came 21:31 and fed him food. 21:33 I think there was some flax seed in that food. 21:36 That was food to boost the tryptophan and the tyrosine. 21:41 Exercise was part of Elijah's program. 21:43 And light therapy, Elijah, like a lot of depressed 21:46 people, he just wanted to be in the cave, in the dark. 21:49 And God had to produce earthquakes and fires 21:52 and, "Get out of the cave, Elijah, 21:55 you need to be in the light." 21:56 And then he came and dialogued with him, after he did 21:58 all those things, then he gave him the cognitive behavioral 22:01 therapy, and asked him, "What doest thou here?" 22:04 And Elijah began to talk, and the Lord began to correct 22:06 his distorted thought. 22:08 JB: Interesting. 22:10 NN: Same type of principles that we utilize today. 22:13 JB: What other factors play into this many-headed monster 22:16 called depression? 22:18 NN: You know, one of them that's very characteristic 22:22 is pride. 22:23 It's actually a magnification of self. 22:26 When people experience the distorted thought of 22:29 self-inflated pride, they are setting themselves 22:34 up for wounded pride. 22:36 And then with that wounded pride they've got the expose 22:40 for depression, anxiety and other symptoms. 22:44 That's what led to Saul's issue. 22:47 He had the pride, and when the women sang, "Saul has 22:52 slain his thousands and David his tens of thousands," 22:55 it was wounded pride, and it set him up into 22:59 that whole process. 23:01 And the Lord knows how to deal with that as well. 23:03 JB: That reminds me of another story in the Bible, 23:06 the story of Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel. 23:09 Is this not great Babylon that I have built? 23:10 And next thing you know he's out eating grass like an ox. 23:13 NN: Right. 23:14 Well, you know, and the interesting thing, 23:15 his pride was so severe, he had been impressed by what the Lord 23:19 was doing multiple times, but not changed. 23:22 Impressed but not changed. 23:25 And so the Lord had to get to the root of his problem, 23:27 which was his pride. 23:28 And his pride was so severe it took more than a 10-day 23:30 program. 23:32 It was a multi-year program, but it was the same type 23:35 of principles. 23:36 It was a plant-based, vegetarian diet that 23:38 Nebuchadnezzar was put on. 23:40 There was exercise that was part of it. 23:42 When you read Nebuchadnezzar's testimony, 23:45 hydrotherapy was part of the program. 23:47 The sleep/wake cycles were there, and then in the end, 23:50 the cognitive behavioral therapy to get rid 23:52 of the pride. 23:53 JB: So God knows the way out of depression. 23:55 NN: Absolutely. 23:56 JB: I don't want to give anybody false hope. 23:59 I don't want to do that. 24:01 Is there a danger that we could be telling someone, 24:04 there's a way out of depression for you, when really 24:06 there just isn't? 24:08 NN: No danger. 24:10 Of course, we've dealt with hundreds and thousands 24:12 of patients, but in our treatment resistance program, 24:17 the most common complaint we get from people coming 24:20 is they're thinking they're going to be the first one who 24:25 does not respond to the treatments 24:28 and the modalities that we utilize. 24:30 They think that nothing is going to help them. 24:32 Their relatives have made them come. 24:34 But at the end of the program they find out that they 24:36 respond as well. 24:38 And what I have to tell these people who think that there's 24:40 no way out for them is, do you think the biggest expert 24:45 in depression might not know something about it? 24:48 And if the biggest expert in depression might not know 24:51 something about it, perhaps that individual doesn't know 24:53 something about it, and what they don't know might 24:56 actually help them. 24:57 And so there is a way out for everyone. 25:02 And if they find the underlying cause, I have no 25:05 doubt that there's a solution to bring them out of 25:07 depression. 25:08 JB: Thank you for joining me today. 25:10 This has been a blessing. 25:11 I just believe that people are going to get their lives 25:14 back again out of that vice-like grip of depression, 25:18 liberated, we've seen it happen in so many lives many, 25:21 many times, liberated to lead full, productive, joy-filled, 25:25 solid lives, rejoicing in the Lord. 25:27 NN: Amen. 25:30 JB: Friend, I want that person to be you if you are suffering 25:31 from depression, or if you know somebody who is, 25:34 let them know. 25:35 Go to DrNedley.com, get some good materials, follow 25:38 the plan that we've been talking about here, because there is 25:41 a cure, there is a way out of depression, and God wants you 25:46 to experience what David wrote about when he said 25:49 that in God's presence there is fullness of joy. 25:53 I want to pray for you. 25:54 Dr. Nedley and I are going to pray for you now and ask that 25:57 God will bless you and those you know and love who are 26:02 battling this difficult thing. 26:04 Let us pray. 26:05 Our Father in heaven, we thank you today for Jesus, 26:09 the Way, the Truth and the Life. 26:11 And I am grateful that he said that he came to this world 26:13 that we might have life more abundantly. 26:17 Lord, I pray that you'll help us all to think healthy 26:21 thoughts, to have minds that are centered in your Word, 26:25 to be livers of lives that are grounded, founded, rooted 26:31 in the principles of heaven that will bring us joy and joy 26:35 everlasting. 26:37 Help us to be glad and grateful today that there is a God 26:39 who loves us and a God who has the way out 26:42 of difficulties, just waiting for us to find and follow. 26:46 We thank you today and we pray in Jesus' name, Amen. 26:51 JB: In the past two programs I have been speaking 26:53 with Dr. Neil Nedley on the subject of depression. 26:57 Our free offer for you this week is a free DVD produced by 27:00 Dr. Nedley on the topic of depression. 27:04 If you or someone you love is struggling with depression 27:07 I encourage you to call us today and order this free DVD. 27:11 Now please note that this offer is limited 27:14 to the supply on hand. 27:16 Our toll-free number is 1-800-253-3000. 27:19 Ask for the "free depression DVD". 27:23 You could also request today's offer by writing 27:26 to It is Written, Box O, Thousand Oaks, California, 27:29 91359. 27:31 Thanks for your letters and for your continued support. 27:35 JB: Thanks for joining me today. 27:36 You know, it is encouraging to know that God has very 27:39 real help for us, even in the midst of our most difficult 27:42 battles. 27:44 For more of my conversation with Dr. Nedley, please to go 27:47 our website, itiswritten.com. 27:50 There, you'll be able to watch parts of this 27:52 conversation that we were not able to include 27:54 in today's program. 27:56 I'll look forward to seeing you again next time. 27:58 Until then, please remember, it is written, man shall not 28:02 live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from 28:06 the mouth of God. 28:08 [Music] |
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