Participants: John Bradshaw (Host), Neil Nedley
Series Code: IIW
Program Code: IIW001444A
00:01 What do Super Bowl winning quarterback Terry Bradshaw,
00:03 television personality David Letterman 00:06 and business tycoon T. Boone Pickens all have in common? 00:10 Well, apart from being tremendously successful 00:12 in their chosen careers, they've all had a serious battle 00:16 with depression. Depression can be seriously 00:19 debilitating, and people of faith are not immune 00:23 to its effects. I've come to Weimar, 00:26 California to speak with Dr. Neil Nedley, the president 00:28 of Nedley Health Solutions, and an expert in the area 00:32 of depression. Does God have a way out 00:36 of depression? And what help does 00:39 the Bible offer? Today we find out. 00:41 Thank you for joining me on It Is Written. 00:46 [epic theme music] 01:04 JB: Dr. Nedley, thanks so much for joining me today. 01:06 Appreciate it. NN: It's great to be here. 01:08 JB: We're talking about a very, very serious subject 01:10 today, that of depression. It affects people, 01:14 it's no respecter of persons. NN: Correct. 01:16 JB: If you're wealthy, not so wealthy, bright, not so 01:19 bright, male, female, doesn't matter your ethnic 01:20 background. If you're a believer in God 01:23 or not, you can still be depressed. 01:25 NN: Exactly. JB: Which is interesting, 01:26 isn't it? The Bible enjoins us to rejoice 01:29 and be happy and in God's presence there is joy, 01:31 and yet there are many people in church clinically 01:36 depressed. NN: Yeah. 01:38 JB: Before we talk about the right way out, what, 01:43 in your experience, are most people doing to treat 01:46 their depression? NN: Well, the most common 01:48 treatment is medication. And well over $20 billion 01:52 is spent in this country on the medicines alone. 01:56 And many of these medicines are expensive. 01:59 There are all sorts of antidepressants out there, 02:02 and they're flying off shelves. 02:04 But they're not a cure-all. They're not the fix. 02:07 JB: Is it true that antidepressants 02:09 are the largest selling classification of drugs? 02:11 NN: Correct, yes. JB: Is it helping? 02:14 NN: Well, it helps 20% of them to the point where 02:16 they're no longer depressed. JB: Two out of ten depressed 02:22 people take medication and essentially get over 02:25 the depression. NN: Correct. 02:26 JB: Two out of ten. So eight out of ten 02:29 not so much. NN: Eight out ten, right. 02:31 In fact, three out of ten won't experience even 02:33 a slight improvement with the drugs. 02:37 Even a combination, if you put four antidepressants 02:40 on them, and raise the dose, they're still not going 02:43 to respond. So three out of ten will have 02:45 zero response to medication. And then what's left 02:49 in the middle are those who get a slight or moderate response, 02:55 but are still clinically depressed and still suffering 02:58 from it. JB: Half of people taking 03:00 medication for depression, they're still depressed even 03:03 though they're taking the medication. 03:05 NN: Exactly. JB: Now, I'm just thinking 03:07 for the cynic who says, oh, come on. 03:10 But this is statistically true. 03:12 NN: Oh, absolutely. It's been shown, in fact, 03:15 if anything, I'm stating things more in favor 03:18 of the pharmaceuticals than the statistics 03:23 are actually showing. So I'm quoting 03:25 drug company data. This is the data from the drug 03:27 companies themselves that I'm quoting. 03:30 JB: You got this data from what the drug companies say. 03:33 NN: From the drug companies, yeah. 03:34 So that's why I'm saying, if anything I'm slighting 03:36 it toward the drug companies. There are some studies out 03:38 here that indicate that antidepressants virtually 03:43 help no one. Now, I don't believe that 03:45 personally because as a doctor I've prescribed 03:48 antidepressants and I've seen their effect in some people 03:50 in a positive way. But in reality, I've also 03:54 realized that this is not the cure. 03:58 This may help some people, but there are far better 04:01 approaches to treating depression, with far less 04:05 side effects, and they're far cheaper. 04:07 JB: What are some of the side effects people are getting 04:08 from medication, just quickly? 04:10 NN: Well, weight gain is one of the big ones. 04:13 And so it tends to cause weight gain, it tends to cause 04:15 them to have an "I don't care" attitude. 04:19 So that when something happens in their life, 04:21 like their spouse dies, they feel like they should cry 04:24 at the funeral and care about this, but it's kind of like, 04:27 eh, oh well. And that's not a healthy thing. 04:31 It also increases impulsiveness at first when 04:34 you start taking it. And that's why they have 04:36 black box warnings on them that say if someone is suicidal, 04:40 watch out because this will increase their 04:45 impulsiveness, and suicide is often an impulsive act. 04:49 And so here the person who's suicidal needs to get better, 04:53 but the drug that they're utilizing might tide them 04:55 over the edge, and it's a very difficult situation for 04:59 caregivers or physicians to know what to do with these 05:01 individuals when they're to that point. 05:05 JB: But there is a safe way, there is a healthy way to treat 05:07 depression, even to help people get out of depression. 05:11 We're going to talk about that in just a moment. 05:13 What are some other things that people do in terms 05:15 of self-medication? NN: Oh well, chocolate, 05:18 you know, is a big one. The soda pops, if you just 05:21 count the cans of soda pop leaving a grocery store. 05:24 Carbohydrates actually not only taste good but they 05:26 transiently increase serotonin levels. 05:29 Unfortunately, there's a nadir, so they drop it below 05:32 neutral afterward. JB: Can you explain serotonin 05:35 for me? NN: Well, serotonin is a brain 05:37 chemical that actually elevates mood and helps us to concentrate 05:40 better, and helps us to actually sleep better 05:45 as well. JB: Which means that if I get 05:47 a hit of something that increases my serotonin level, 05:49 I just feel a whole lot better. 05:50 NN: You feel better, yeah. And so these people, 05:52 by self-medicating, they actually do feel a little 05:55 better. They're altering some 05:56 of their brain chemistry. But the self-medicated 05:59 routes, be it alcohol or chocolate or cocaine 06:05 or pornography, these self-medicated routes 06:07 actually produce a greater nadir, in other words, 06:12 a greater drop, the more often we utilize it. 06:15 So first people do it to try to experience pleasure. 06:19 But afterward they're not doing it to experience 06:23 pleasure, they're just trying to do it to get up to neutral. 06:26 And in between times, even though there's nothing sad 06:29 around them, they feel sad, as a result of their 06:32 self-medication. What's the way out 06:34 of depression? I don't think this is a simple, 06:37 single, pithy answer. This might be a multi-faceted 06:40 answer. But walk us through 06:42 the journey. Obviously, this is a very 06:44 brief walk. The way out of depression, 06:47 where should a person be looking? 06:48 NN: Well, first of all they need to try to find out 06:50 the underlying causes in them. And so that's where we start 06:53 with the individual. We find out, do they have 06:56 frontal lobe causes, do they have lifestyle causes, 06:59 nutritional causes? What's going on in their life 07:02 in regard to their thought process? 07:05 Are there distorted thoughts there? 07:06 And of course, for the vast majority of people 07:08 with depression, most of those are a major issue. 07:12 And so we start them out on a pathway. 07:14 The first thing we start them out on is a regular exercise 07:18 program. We want them to exercise 07:23 ideally 60 minutes a day. It can be divided up into 07:27 a couple of sessions. But regular aerobic exercise 07:30 helps depression, and that's our first step with them. 07:34 We also, as part of that, try to get them out into light. 07:39 Light therapy actually helps depression. 07:43 And if they can't get into life because of their job 07:46 and it's wintertime, then they need to get a medical-grade 07:49 light box and actually experience the simulated blue 07:53 sky light, which is the best type of wavelength light 07:58 to help with depression. JB: We're talking about 08:01 a debilitating, disabling condition, depression. 08:05 I've asked you the way out, and the first two things 08:08 you tell me are exercise and sunlight. 08:11 Now, that's pretty simple. NN: It's pretty simple. 08:14 JB: All right. I'm not exactly sure what 08:16 you're going to say next, but I think we're seeing 08:18 a pattern here. So what would be the next 08:21 thing you'd recommend? NN: Well, the next thing we 08:23 would recommend is getting on a regular schedule 08:26 with regular sleep/wake times. And ideally, early to bed, 08:30 early to rise. And ideally, up at 6:00 a.m. 08:34 or maybe a little before and getting that light therapy, 08:38 first thing in the morning. That's a crucial role. 08:41 Then next we're going to deal with the food that you're 08:45 eating. We're going to try to get you 08:48 on a diet that's higher in tryptophan, higher 08:51 in tyrosine. JB: What's tryptophan? 08:54 NN: Tryptophan is an amino acid that is turn into 08:57 serotonin in the brain. JB: What's the other one? 09:01 NN: Tyrosine is another amino acid, it's turned into 09:03 norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain. 09:06 JB: People talk about brain food. 09:08 Do you believe in it? NN: Absolutely. 09:10 JB: So the diet's going to look like what? 09:13 NN: Well, the diet is going to be more plant based. 09:16 The plant-based foods tend to be higher in the natural 09:19 carbohydrates that get the tryptophan and tyrosine 09:23 into the brain. We're also going to be 09:25 emphasizing foods higher in Omega 3, foods like spinach 09:31 and walnut, flax seed, chia seeds and almonds. 09:37 Green soybeans. JB: I'm going to challenge 09:40 you just a little bit here. I'm just wondering 09:42 if someone's going, eh. But hang on a minute. 09:44 What would you do to come back from depression 09:48 if you were suffering from depression? 09:50 This doesn't sound like a terrible cross to have 09:52 to carry, changing your diet like that. 09:54 NN: Right, well, and actually the food can be quite tasty. 09:57 JB: Sure, no question. NN: In fact, in our book 09:59 that you mentioned, we have the recipes in there. 10:01 And the people who come to our program, 10:04 the first day they like it. So tasty food can actually 10:09 be healthy if we train the cook. JB: Absolutely. 10:11 So if you can kind of eat your way to good health, 10:14 to depression, and I'm sure it's not just diet. 10:18 This is one thing of a number of effects. 10:20 But that means that people are kind of eating 10:23 their way into depression. NN: Oh, absolutely. 10:26 Yeah, the fast food industry, where it's high in fat, high 10:29 in protein, virtually no carbohydrates, that actually 10:35 is going to lead to depression in many people. 10:37 I mean, if they have enough hits. 10:39 Again, nutrition is just one of ten different hit 10:42 categories. JB: And if you have how many 10:43 of those hit categories? NN: Four. 10:46 Four out of ten. JB: Okay, then you're 10:48 in danger of developing depression. 10:50 NN: Exactly. JB: So eating well is a key 10:53 to overcoming depression. NN: Eating well, a major key. 10:56 JB: What else? NN: Another key is, and this 10:59 is after we do the nutrition and the lifestyle. 11:03 In fact, there's a couple of other things I should mention 11:05 in that. Adequate hydration. 11:07 Just drinking enough water. JB: Another very, very simple 11:10 thing. NN: Right. 11:13 And it's pretty powerful in regard to what it does 11:15 to brain chemistry. JB: Why? 11:18 Why is water so crucial? NN: Well, water is crucial 11:21 because our neurotransmitters actually communicate 11:25 with the neurons through a fluid medium. 11:29 And if there isn't enough hydration there, 11:33 the communication system in the brain gets gummed up, 11:36 essentially, that's kind of the JB: The layman's term. 11:39 NN: Basic way to describe it. So yeah, adequate hydration, 11:42 6 to 8 glasses of water a day minimum. 11:44 JB: A lot of people aren't getting that, right? 11:46 NN: That's right. JB: How about, well, 11:49 I drink plenty of soda, isn't that good enough? 11:52 No, that doesn't qualify, right? 11:54 NN: No, actually, none of those qualify, the studies show. 11:58 All the rest are water substitutes and are not 12:00 the same. JB: So we're not going to be 12:03 thinking that some sort of soda or caffeinated stuff is a water 12:07 substitute. NN: Or even dairy, yeah. 12:09 JB: Okay, not even there. So it's gotta be water water. 12:12 NN: It's gotta be water. And then also an important 12:14 element is hydrotherapy. In other words, hot and cold 12:20 treatments. We call that natural 12:23 shockwave treatments for those who are severely 12:25 depressed. It actually, in our experience, 12:29 works as good as the ECT, the shockwave treatments, 12:32 without you having to get general anesthesia 12:35 and seizures and lose your memory and things like that. 12:38 And so we describe how to do that in our materials, 12:41 but that can be a good starter. And so we put people on that 12:46 part first, and then we lead them into analyzing their 12:51 distorted thoughts. And that's when we get 12:55 to some of the crux of the matter, so to speak. 12:57 There are 10 commandments in the Bible, and there are 13:01 10 different ways of distorted thinking. 13:03 And so we teach the individual, once they get the spa-- 13:06 we call the first part the spa experience. 13:09 Once they get that spa experience, then their 13:12 circulation in their brain is good enough where they can 13:14 start analyzing their thoughts for distortion. 13:17 Things like overgeneralizing, like Elijah said, I'm the 13:21 only one who hasn't bowed the knee to Baal. 13:24 JB: So what you've got are people who are depressed, 13:25 they're not thinking right. You create an environment 13:28 where the thoughts are moving freer and more healthfully, 13:31 and now they can do some healthy self-analysis, look 13:34 at what the problems really are. 13:36 NN: Exactly. And that's a very crucial, 13:38 that will enhance frontal lobe function. 13:41 Just the analysis itself, of seeing if there 13:45 is a distorted thought and then correcting that distorted 13:47 thought will actually enhance frontal lobe activity 13:49 and will help the individual recover. 13:52 JB: Now, tell me again what's so important about the frontal 13:54 lobe. NN: Well, the frontal lobe 13:56 is the seat of spirituality, morality and the will. 13:59 The will means it's our decision maker. 14:02 So it's actually the area that we make decisions, 14:05 we provide analysis. It really gives us the ability 14:08 to accomplish advanced planning and thinking. 14:11 JB: If you have the lifestyle practices in your life that 14:13 are messing with your frontal lobe capacity, you simply 14:16 can't make the decisions. NN: Absolutely, yeah. 14:18 It's why depressed people tend to get more depressed, 14:21 because their decision-making ability is down. 14:23 So they end up suffering from those complications. 14:26 JB: Okay, so we got to where people are analyzing thoughts 14:28 and learning to make better decisions and so forth. 14:30 NN: Yes, a crucial element. And also a crucial element 14:33 that helps with that is the spiritual part. 14:35 The reading of Proverbs, for instance, or the listening 14:42 to music like King Saul was listening to, you know, 14:47 the soft harp music or soft classical music that can help 14:51 to direct our thoughts can be helpful and can enhance 14:55 frontal lobe function. And so we utilize that. 14:58 We utilize what we call cognitive behavioral therapy, 15:00 which is the analysis of the thoughts. 15:03 We utilize the type of music that's been shown in controlled 15:07 trials to help with depression recovery. 15:10 Interestingly, it's the same type of music that a lot 15:13 of hymns are composed from in the church. 15:18 And then on top of that, we then provide the spiritual 15:24 material that can also help enhance frontal lobe 15:28 function. JB: And a person goes through 15:30 this process and implements these changes in their lives, 15:32 I've seen people helped dramatically by this. 15:37 NN: Absolutely. I mean, in just 10 days. 15:40 We run 10-day programs for treatment-resistant 15:43 depression. And when the relatives come 15:47 10 days later, often they will break out and cry 15:50 and they'll look at us and say, "What did you do?" 15:53 I mean, just looking at them they can tell immediately 15:56 that things are far better and they can see life return, 16:01 and energy. One of the wonderful things 16:06 that happens that we document in our program, their emotional 16:09 intelligence, in just 10 days, goes to the top 20 percentile 16:13 in the nation. So they actually have better 16:17 emotional intelligence than people who've never been 16:19 depressed. And emotional intelligence 16:21 has more to do with their future success in life than 16:24 any other factor. So the sky's the limit 16:27 for these people. JB: No drugs needed. 16:29 NN: No drugs needed. JB: No messy side effects. 16:31 NN: That's right, exactly. JB: God's way's always 16:33 the right way, isn't it? NN: Absolutely. 16:35 JB: God's way is the right way, and God does have 16:39 a way out. What's so important about 16:40 this is that depression is so debilitating, it complicates 16:44 lives on many, many lives, and it has a seriously 16:48 deleterious effect on a person's relationship 16:51 with God. And we don't want that, 16:52 and God doesn't want that either. 16:55 I'll be back with a few more thoughts on this, on depression 16:57 and its cures, with Dr. Neil Nedley in just 16:59 a moment. 17:01 [MUSIC] Every Word is a one-minute, 17:03 Bible-based, daily devotional presented by Pastor John 17:07 Bradshaw and designed especially for busy people 17:09 like you. Look for Every Word on selected 17:12 networks, or watch it online every day on our website, 17:15 ItIsWritten.com. 17:18 [MUSIC] 17:25 Good to have you check in today. 17:27 There are some Bible verses you really want to remind yourself 17:29 of sometimes. You know, a lot of people are 17:31 going through a lot of stuff right now. 17:33 Challenges with their financial situation, perhaps in their 17:36 personal situation - with marriages or children or 17:38 friends. So many people are battling with 17:41 illness, in many cases really difficult situations. 17:44 Listen to this verse. It's Romans 8:18. 17:47 Paul says, "I reckon that the sufferings of this present time 17:49 are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be 17:53 revealed in us." Now that's not to minimize one's 17:55 difficulties or ignore one's trials. 17:58 But Paul promises us there's a better day coming, when the hard 18:02 circumstances of this world will be forgotten in the light of the 18:05 glory God will shower upon us. You can afford to be hopeful 18:09 today. I'm John Bradshaw for 18:12 It Is Written. Let's live today by every word. 18:19 JB: I'm talking about depression today with 18:21 Dr. Neil Nedley of the Nedley Clinic, president of Nedley 18:24 Health Solutions, a man who has been successfully 18:27 treating people with depression for many, many years. 18:29 Dr. Nedley, Christians suffer depression. 18:32 NN: Yes, absolutely they can. People from all faiths 18:37 can suffer from depression, as well as people of no faith. 18:40 JB: Well, why that's significant is because, 18:42 you know, Christians are meant to be happy and Christians 18:44 are meant to be full of joy, and the joy the Lord 18:46 is your strength. Do you find that certain 18:49 types of Christians suffer depression more or less than 18:51 other types of Christians? NN: Yeah, this has been 18:53 well studied. Duke University found that 18:57 the denominations that have the least rates of depression 19:02 are the fundamentalist denominations, ones that believe 19:06 in the Word of God, for instance, and believe 19:10 that God has a plan for their life and speaks to them 19:18 through his Word. That would describe 19:21 the fundamentalists, and those have less depression 19:25 than others. JB: Now, depression, 19:29 I've found, there's a bit of a stigma attached to it. 19:35 I don't know whether society has stigmatized it, 19:37 or whether people just feel that way. 19:40 Is that true? NN: Well, there is a stigma. 19:42 A lot of people with depression don't want anyone else to know 19:44 about it. They're picking up their 19:47 pharmaceuticals and making sure no one else knows about 19:52 it, etc. It turns out people do know about it. 19:54 They think they're hiding it, but in reality you can't hide 19:57 it when you're working and your living in families, 20:00 etc. The depression is going to manifest itself in multiple 20:03 ways. But because of that stigma, 20:06 they have a reservation to really go out and try to seek 20:11 treatment, or come to a program like a depression recovery 20:14 program in their community, for fear that they're going 20:16 to be seen. But what I've noticed is, 20:20 when they recover from their depression completely, 20:23 and that joy returns, they have no problem telling people how 20:28 depressed they actually were. And then the stigma is gone. 20:31 So if you have that stigma, the best way to take care 20:35 of it is, get the treatment that's going to cure it, 20:40 and then you don't have to worry about the stigma, and then 20:43 you can own up to it. JB: God has been curing 20:45 depression for millennia, hasn't he? 20:48 NN: Yes. JB: Give me an example 20:50 from the Bible. NN: Well, Elijah, when he 20:53 was depressed, angels came and fed him food. 20:55 I think there was some flax seed in that food. 20:58 That was food to boost the tryptophan and the tyrosine. 21:03 Exercise was part of Elijah's program. 21:06 And light therapy, Elijah, like a lot of depressed 21:09 people, he just wanted to be in the cave, in the dark. 21:11 And God had to produce earthquakes and fires 21:14 and, "Get out of the cave, Elijah, 21:18 you need to be in the light." And then he came and dialogued 21:19 with him, after he did all those things, then he gave 21:23 him the cognitive behavioral therapy, and asked him, 21:25 "What doest thou here?" And Elijah began to talk, 21:28 and the Lord began to correct his distorted thoughts. 21:31 JB: Interesting. NN: Same type of principles 21:33 that we utilize today. JB: What other factors play 21:38 into this many-headed monster called depression? 21:40 NN: You know, one of them that's very characteristic 21:44 is pride. It's actually a magnification 21:47 of self. When people experience 21:51 the distorted thought of self-inflated pride, 21:56 they are setting themselves up for wounded pride. 21:59 And then with that wounded pride they've got the expose 22:03 for depression, anxiety and other symptoms. 22:06 That's what led to Saul's issue. He had the pride, and when 22:12 the women sang, "Saul has slain his thousands and David 22:16 his tens of thousands," it was wounded pride, 22:19 and it set him up into that whole process. 22:23 And the Lord knows how to deal with that as well. 22:26 JB: That reminds me of another story in the Bible, 22:29 the story of Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel. 22:31 Is this not great Babylon that I have built? 22:33 And next thing you know he's out eating grass like an ox. 22:35 NN: Right. Well, you know, 22:37 and the interesting thing, his pride was so severe, he had 22:40 been impressed by what the Lord was doing multiple times, 22:43 but not changed. Impressed but not changed. 22:47 And so the Lord had to get to the root of his problem, 22:50 which was his pride. And his pride was so severe 22:52 it took more than a 10-day program. 22:55 It was a multi-year program, but it was the same type 22:57 of principles. It was a plant-based, 23:00 vegetarian diet that Nebuchadnezzar was put on. 23:03 There was exercise that was part of it. 23:05 When you read Nebuchadnezzar's testimony, 23:07 hydrotherapy was part of the program. 23:10 The sleep/wake cycles were there, and then in the end, 23:13 the cognitive behavioral therapy to get rid 23:15 of the pride. JB: So God knows the way 23:17 out of depression. NN: Absolutely. 23:19 JB: I don't want to give anybody false hope. 23:21 I don't want to do that. Is there a danger that we 23:25 could be telling someone, there's a way out of depression 23:28 for you, when really there just isn't? 23:31 NN: No danger. Of course, we've dealt 23:34 with hundreds and thousands of patients, but in our 23:38 treatment resistance program, the most common complaint 23:41 we get from people coming is they're thinking they're 23:45 going to be the first one who does not respond 23:49 to the treatments and the modalities 23:52 that we utilize. They think that nothing 23:54 is going to help them. Their relatives have made 23:55 them come. But at the end of the program 23:58 they find out that they respond as well. 24:00 And what I have to tell these people who think that there's 24:03 no way out for them is, do you think the biggest expert 24:08 in depression might not know something about it? 24:11 And if the biggest expert in depression might not know 24:14 something about it, perhaps that individual doesn't know 24:16 something about it, and what they don't know might 24:18 actually help them. And so there is a way out 24:22 for everyone. And if they find the 24:26 underlying cause, I have no doubt that there's a solution 24:29 to bring them out of depression. 24:31 JB: Thank you for joining me today. 24:33 This has been a blessing. I just believe that people 24:35 are going to get their lives back again out of that 24:39 vice-like grip of depression, liberated, we've seen it happen 24:42 in so many lives many, many times, liberated to lead 24:45 full, productive, joy-filled, solid lives, rejoicing 24:49 in the Lord. NN: Amen. 24:52 JB: Friend, I want that person to be you if you are suffering 24:54 from depression, or if you know somebody who is, 24:57 let them know. Go to DrNedley.com, get some 24:59 good materials, follow the plan that we've been talking 25:02 about here, because there is a cure, there is a way out 25:06 of depression, and God wants you to experience what David 25:11 wrote about when he said that in God's presence 25:13 there is fullness of joy. I want to pray for you. 25:17 Dr. Nedley and I are going to pray for you now and ask that 25:19 God will bless you and those you know and love who are 25:24 battling this difficult thing. Let us pray. 25:27 Our Father in heaven, we thank you today for Jesus, 25:30 the Way, the Truth and the Life. And I am grateful that he said 25:34 that he came to this world that we might have life 25:36 more abundantly. Lord, I pray that you'll help 25:39 us all to think healthy thoughts, to have minds that 25:44 are centered in your Word, to be livers of lives that are 25:49 grounded, founded, rooted in the principles of heaven 25:53 that will bring us joy and joy everlasting. 25:56 Help us to be glad and grateful today that there is a God 25:59 who loves us and a God who has the way out 26:02 of difficulties, just waiting for us to find and follow. 26:05 We thank you today and we pray in Jesus' name, Amen. 26:13 [MUSIC] 26:23 JB: Our free offer for you this week is a DVD 26:26 produced by Dr. Nedley on the topic of depression. 26:29 If you or someone you love is struggling with depression 26:33 I encourage you to call us today and order this free DVD. 26:37 Now please note that this offer is limited to the supply 26:40 on hand. Our toll-free number is 26:43 1-800-253-3000. Ask for the 26:47 "free depression DVD". Or write to It is Written, 26:52 P.O. Box 6, Chattanooga, Tenneesee, 37401. 26:56 and we'll mail a free copy to your address in North America. 26:59 It Is Written is a faith-based ministry and your support makes 27:03 it possible for us to share God's Good News with the world. 27:06 Your tax-deductible gift can be sent to the address on the 27:09 screen, or through our website at ItIsWritten.com. 27:13 Thank you for your continued prayerful support. 27:16 Again, our toll-free number is 800-253-3000, ask for the 27:21 "free depression DVD". And our web address is: 27:25 itiswritten.com 27:29 JB: Thanks for joining me today. 27:31 You know, it is encouraging to know that God has very real help 27:34 for us, even in the midst of our most difficult battles. 27:38 For more of my conversation with Dr. Nedley, please to go our 27:41 website, itiswritten.com. There, you'll be able to watch 27:45 parts of this conversation that we were not able to include in 27:49 today's program. I'll look forward to seeing 27:51 you again next time. Until then, please remember, 27:54 it is written, man shall not live by bread alone, 27:58 but by every word that proceeds from the 28:01 mouth of God. 28:04 [sweeping orchestral music] |
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