It Is Written

Depression and Its Cure

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Participants: John Bradshaw (Host), Neil Nedley

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00:01 What do Super Bowl winning quarterback Terry Bradshaw,
00:03 television personality David Letterman
00:06 and business tycoon T. Boone Pickens all have in common?
00:10 Well, apart from being tremendously successful
00:12 in their chosen careers, they've all had a serious battle
00:16 with depression. Depression can be seriously
00:19 debilitating, and people of faith are not immune
00:23 to its effects. I've come to Weimar,
00:26 California to speak with Dr. Neil Nedley, the president
00:28 of Nedley Health Solutions, and an expert in the area
00:32 of depression. Does God have a way out
00:36 of depression? And what help does
00:39 the Bible offer? Today we find out.
00:41 Thank you for joining me on It Is Written.
00:46 [epic theme music]
01:04 JB: Dr. Nedley, thanks so much for joining me today.
01:06 Appreciate it. NN: It's great to be here.
01:08 JB: We're talking about a very, very serious subject
01:10 today, that of depression. It affects people,
01:14 it's no respecter of persons. NN: Correct.
01:16 JB: If you're wealthy, not so wealthy, bright, not so
01:19 bright, male, female, doesn't matter your ethnic
01:20 background. If you're a believer in God
01:23 or not, you can still be depressed.
01:25 NN: Exactly. JB: Which is interesting,
01:26 isn't it? The Bible enjoins us to rejoice
01:29 and be happy and in God's presence there is joy,
01:31 and yet there are many people in church clinically
01:36 depressed. NN: Yeah.
01:38 JB: Before we talk about the right way out, what,
01:43 in your experience, are most people doing to treat
01:46 their depression? NN: Well, the most common
01:48 treatment is medication. And well over $20 billion
01:52 is spent in this country on the medicines alone.
01:56 And many of these medicines are expensive.
01:59 There are all sorts of antidepressants out there,
02:02 and they're flying off shelves.
02:04 But they're not a cure-all. They're not the fix.
02:07 JB: Is it true that antidepressants
02:09 are the largest selling classification of drugs?
02:11 NN: Correct, yes. JB: Is it helping?
02:14 NN: Well, it helps 20% of them to the point where
02:16 they're no longer depressed. JB: Two out of ten depressed
02:22 people take medication and essentially get over
02:25 the depression. NN: Correct.
02:26 JB: Two out of ten. So eight out of ten
02:29 not so much. NN: Eight out ten, right.
02:31 In fact, three out of ten won't experience even
02:33 a slight improvement with the drugs.
02:37 Even a combination, if you put four antidepressants
02:40 on them, and raise the dose, they're still not going
02:43 to respond. So three out of ten will have
02:45 zero response to medication. And then what's left
02:49 in the middle are those who get a slight or moderate response,
02:55 but are still clinically depressed and still suffering
02:58 from it. JB: Half of people taking
03:00 medication for depression, they're still depressed even
03:03 though they're taking the medication.
03:05 NN: Exactly. JB: Now, I'm just thinking
03:07 for the cynic who says, oh, come on.
03:10 But this is statistically true.
03:12 NN: Oh, absolutely. It's been shown, in fact,
03:15 if anything, I'm stating things more in favor
03:18 of the pharmaceuticals than the statistics
03:23 are actually showing. So I'm quoting
03:25 drug company data. This is the data from the drug
03:27 companies themselves that I'm quoting.
03:30 JB: You got this data from what the drug companies say.
03:33 NN: From the drug companies, yeah.
03:34 So that's why I'm saying, if anything I'm slighting
03:36 it toward the drug companies. There are some studies out
03:38 here that indicate that antidepressants virtually
03:43 help no one. Now, I don't believe that
03:45 personally because as a doctor I've prescribed
03:48 antidepressants and I've seen their effect in some people
03:50 in a positive way. But in reality, I've also
03:54 realized that this is not the cure.
03:58 This may help some people, but there are far better
04:01 approaches to treating depression, with far less
04:05 side effects, and they're far cheaper.
04:07 JB: What are some of the side effects people are getting
04:08 from medication, just quickly?
04:10 NN: Well, weight gain is one of the big ones.
04:13 And so it tends to cause weight gain, it tends to cause
04:15 them to have an "I don't care" attitude.
04:19 So that when something happens in their life,
04:21 like their spouse dies, they feel like they should cry
04:24 at the funeral and care about this, but it's kind of like,
04:27 eh, oh well. And that's not a healthy thing.
04:31 It also increases impulsiveness at first when
04:34 you start taking it. And that's why they have
04:36 black box warnings on them that say if someone is suicidal,
04:40 watch out because this will increase their
04:45 impulsiveness, and suicide is often an impulsive act.
04:49 And so here the person who's suicidal needs to get better,
04:53 but the drug that they're utilizing might tide them
04:55 over the edge, and it's a very difficult situation for
04:59 caregivers or physicians to know what to do with these
05:01 individuals when they're to that point.
05:05 JB: But there is a safe way, there is a healthy way to treat
05:07 depression, even to help people get out of depression.
05:11 We're going to talk about that in just a moment.
05:13 What are some other things that people do in terms
05:15 of self-medication? NN: Oh well, chocolate,
05:18 you know, is a big one. The soda pops, if you just
05:21 count the cans of soda pop leaving a grocery store.
05:24 Carbohydrates actually not only taste good but they
05:26 transiently increase serotonin levels.
05:29 Unfortunately, there's a nadir, so they drop it below
05:32 neutral afterward. JB: Can you explain serotonin
05:35 for me? NN: Well, serotonin is a brain
05:37 chemical that actually elevates mood and helps us to concentrate
05:40 better, and helps us to actually sleep better
05:45 as well. JB: Which means that if I get
05:47 a hit of something that increases my serotonin level,
05:49 I just feel a whole lot better.
05:50 NN: You feel better, yeah. And so these people,
05:52 by self-medicating, they actually do feel a little
05:55 better. They're altering some
05:56 of their brain chemistry. But the self-medicated
05:59 routes, be it alcohol or chocolate or cocaine
06:05 or pornography, these self-medicated routes
06:07 actually produce a greater nadir, in other words,
06:12 a greater drop, the more often we utilize it.
06:15 So first people do it to try to experience pleasure.
06:19 But afterward they're not doing it to experience
06:23 pleasure, they're just trying to do it to get up to neutral.
06:26 And in between times, even though there's nothing sad
06:29 around them, they feel sad, as a result of their
06:32 self-medication. What's the way out
06:34 of depression? I don't think this is a simple,
06:37 single, pithy answer. This might be a multi-faceted
06:40 answer. But walk us through
06:42 the journey. Obviously, this is a very
06:44 brief walk. The way out of depression,
06:47 where should a person be looking?
06:48 NN: Well, first of all they need to try to find out
06:50 the underlying causes in them. And so that's where we start
06:53 with the individual. We find out, do they have
06:56 frontal lobe causes, do they have lifestyle causes,
06:59 nutritional causes? What's going on in their life
07:02 in regard to their thought process?
07:05 Are there distorted thoughts there?
07:06 And of course, for the vast majority of people
07:08 with depression, most of those are a major issue.
07:12 And so we start them out on a pathway.
07:14 The first thing we start them out on is a regular exercise
07:18 program. We want them to exercise
07:23 ideally 60 minutes a day. It can be divided up into
07:27 a couple of sessions. But regular aerobic exercise
07:30 helps depression, and that's our first step with them.
07:34 We also, as part of that, try to get them out into light.
07:39 Light therapy actually helps depression.
07:43 And if they can't get into life because of their job
07:46 and it's wintertime, then they need to get a medical-grade
07:49 light box and actually experience the simulated blue
07:53 sky light, which is the best type of wavelength light
07:58 to help with depression. JB: We're talking about
08:01 a debilitating, disabling condition, depression.
08:05 I've asked you the way out, and the first two things
08:08 you tell me are exercise and sunlight.
08:11 Now, that's pretty simple. NN: It's pretty simple.
08:14 JB: All right. I'm not exactly sure what
08:16 you're going to say next, but I think we're seeing
08:18 a pattern here. So what would be the next
08:21 thing you'd recommend? NN: Well, the next thing we
08:23 would recommend is getting on a regular schedule
08:26 with regular sleep/wake times. And ideally, early to bed,
08:30 early to rise. And ideally, up at 6:00 a.m.
08:34 or maybe a little before and getting that light therapy,
08:38 first thing in the morning. That's a crucial role.
08:41 Then next we're going to deal with the food that you're
08:45 eating. We're going to try to get you
08:48 on a diet that's higher in tryptophan, higher
08:51 in tyrosine. JB: What's tryptophan?
08:54 NN: Tryptophan is an amino acid that is turn into
08:57 serotonin in the brain. JB: What's the other one?
09:01 NN: Tyrosine is another amino acid, it's turned into
09:03 norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain.
09:06 JB: People talk about brain food.
09:08 Do you believe in it? NN: Absolutely.
09:10 JB: So the diet's going to look like what?
09:13 NN: Well, the diet is going to be more plant based.
09:16 The plant-based foods tend to be higher in the natural
09:19 carbohydrates that get the tryptophan and tyrosine
09:23 into the brain. We're also going to be
09:25 emphasizing foods higher in Omega 3, foods like spinach
09:31 and walnut, flax seed, chia seeds and almonds.
09:37 Green soybeans. JB: I'm going to challenge
09:40 you just a little bit here. I'm just wondering
09:42 if someone's going, eh. But hang on a minute.
09:44 What would you do to come back from depression
09:48 if you were suffering from depression?
09:50 This doesn't sound like a terrible cross to have
09:52 to carry, changing your diet like that.
09:54 NN: Right, well, and actually the food can be quite tasty.
09:57 JB: Sure, no question. NN: In fact, in our book
09:59 that you mentioned, we have the recipes in there.
10:01 And the people who come to our program,
10:04 the first day they like it. So tasty food can actually
10:09 be healthy if we train the cook. JB: Absolutely.
10:11 So if you can kind of eat your way to good health,
10:14 to depression, and I'm sure it's not just diet.
10:18 This is one thing of a number of effects.
10:20 But that means that people are kind of eating
10:23 their way into depression. NN: Oh, absolutely.
10:26 Yeah, the fast food industry, where it's high in fat, high
10:29 in protein, virtually no carbohydrates, that actually
10:35 is going to lead to depression in many people.
10:37 I mean, if they have enough hits.
10:39 Again, nutrition is just one of ten different hit
10:42 categories. JB: And if you have how many
10:43 of those hit categories? NN: Four.
10:46 Four out of ten. JB: Okay, then you're
10:48 in danger of developing depression.
10:50 NN: Exactly. JB: So eating well is a key
10:53 to overcoming depression. NN: Eating well, a major key.
10:56 JB: What else? NN: Another key is, and this
10:59 is after we do the nutrition and the lifestyle.
11:03 In fact, there's a couple of other things I should mention
11:05 in that. Adequate hydration.
11:07 Just drinking enough water. JB: Another very, very simple
11:10 thing. NN: Right.
11:13 And it's pretty powerful in regard to what it does
11:15 to brain chemistry. JB: Why?
11:18 Why is water so crucial? NN: Well, water is crucial
11:21 because our neurotransmitters actually communicate
11:25 with the neurons through a fluid medium.
11:29 And if there isn't enough hydration there,
11:33 the communication system in the brain gets gummed up,
11:36 essentially, that's kind of the JB: The layman's term.
11:39 NN: Basic way to describe it. So yeah, adequate hydration,
11:42 6 to 8 glasses of water a day minimum.
11:44 JB: A lot of people aren't getting that, right?
11:46 NN: That's right. JB: How about, well,
11:49 I drink plenty of soda, isn't that good enough?
11:52 No, that doesn't qualify, right?
11:54 NN: No, actually, none of those qualify, the studies show.
11:58 All the rest are water substitutes and are not
12:00 the same. JB: So we're not going to be
12:03 thinking that some sort of soda or caffeinated stuff is a water
12:07 substitute. NN: Or even dairy, yeah.
12:09 JB: Okay, not even there. So it's gotta be water water.
12:12 NN: It's gotta be water. And then also an important
12:14 element is hydrotherapy. In other words, hot and cold
12:20 treatments. We call that natural
12:23 shockwave treatments for those who are severely
12:25 depressed. It actually, in our experience,
12:29 works as good as the ECT, the shockwave treatments,
12:32 without you having to get general anesthesia
12:35 and seizures and lose your memory and things like that.
12:38 And so we describe how to do that in our materials,
12:41 but that can be a good starter. And so we put people on that
12:46 part first, and then we lead them into analyzing their
12:51 distorted thoughts. And that's when we get
12:55 to some of the crux of the matter, so to speak.
12:57 There are 10 commandments in the Bible, and there are
13:01 10 different ways of distorted thinking.
13:03 And so we teach the individual, once they get the spa--
13:06 we call the first part the spa experience.
13:09 Once they get that spa experience, then their
13:12 circulation in their brain is good enough where they can
13:14 start analyzing their thoughts for distortion.
13:17 Things like overgeneralizing, like Elijah said, I'm the
13:21 only one who hasn't bowed the knee to Baal.
13:24 JB: So what you've got are people who are depressed,
13:25 they're not thinking right. You create an environment
13:28 where the thoughts are moving freer and more healthfully,
13:31 and now they can do some healthy self-analysis, look
13:34 at what the problems really are.
13:36 NN: Exactly. And that's a very crucial,
13:38 that will enhance frontal lobe function.
13:41 Just the analysis itself, of seeing if there
13:45 is a distorted thought and then correcting that distorted
13:47 thought will actually enhance frontal lobe activity
13:49 and will help the individual recover.
13:52 JB: Now, tell me again what's so important about the frontal
13:54 lobe. NN: Well, the frontal lobe
13:56 is the seat of spirituality, morality and the will.
13:59 The will means it's our decision maker.
14:02 So it's actually the area that we make decisions,
14:05 we provide analysis. It really gives us the ability
14:08 to accomplish advanced planning and thinking.
14:11 JB: If you have the lifestyle practices in your life that
14:13 are messing with your frontal lobe capacity, you simply
14:16 can't make the decisions. NN: Absolutely, yeah.
14:18 It's why depressed people tend to get more depressed,
14:21 because their decision-making ability is down.
14:23 So they end up suffering from those complications.
14:26 JB: Okay, so we got to where people are analyzing thoughts
14:28 and learning to make better decisions and so forth.
14:30 NN: Yes, a crucial element. And also a crucial element
14:33 that helps with that is the spiritual part.
14:35 The reading of Proverbs, for instance, or the listening
14:42 to music like King Saul was listening to, you know,
14:47 the soft harp music or soft classical music that can help
14:51 to direct our thoughts can be helpful and can enhance
14:55 frontal lobe function. And so we utilize that.
14:58 We utilize what we call cognitive behavioral therapy,
15:00 which is the analysis of the thoughts.
15:03 We utilize the type of music that's been shown in controlled
15:07 trials to help with depression recovery.
15:10 Interestingly, it's the same type of music that a lot
15:13 of hymns are composed from in the church.
15:18 And then on top of that, we then provide the spiritual
15:24 material that can also help enhance frontal lobe
15:28 function. JB: And a person goes through
15:30 this process and implements these changes in their lives,
15:32 I've seen people helped dramatically by this.
15:37 NN: Absolutely. I mean, in just 10 days.
15:40 We run 10-day programs for treatment-resistant
15:43 depression. And when the relatives come
15:47 10 days later, often they will break out and cry
15:50 and they'll look at us and say, "What did you do?"
15:53 I mean, just looking at them they can tell immediately
15:56 that things are far better and they can see life return,
16:01 and energy. One of the wonderful things
16:06 that happens that we document in our program, their emotional
16:09 intelligence, in just 10 days, goes to the top 20 percentile
16:13 in the nation. So they actually have better
16:17 emotional intelligence than people who've never been
16:19 depressed. And emotional intelligence
16:21 has more to do with their future success in life than
16:24 any other factor. So the sky's the limit
16:27 for these people. JB: No drugs needed.
16:29 NN: No drugs needed. JB: No messy side effects.
16:31 NN: That's right, exactly. JB: God's way's always
16:33 the right way, isn't it? NN: Absolutely.
16:35 JB: God's way is the right way, and God does have
16:39 a way out. What's so important about
16:40 this is that depression is so debilitating, it complicates
16:44 lives on many, many lives, and it has a seriously
16:48 deleterious effect on a person's relationship
16:51 with God. And we don't want that,
16:52 and God doesn't want that either.
16:55 I'll be back with a few more thoughts on this, on depression
16:57 and its cures, with Dr. Neil Nedley in just
16:59 a moment.
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18:19 JB: I'm talking about depression today with
18:21 Dr. Neil Nedley of the Nedley Clinic, president of Nedley
18:24 Health Solutions, a man who has been successfully
18:27 treating people with depression for many, many years.
18:29 Dr. Nedley, Christians suffer depression.
18:32 NN: Yes, absolutely they can. People from all faiths
18:37 can suffer from depression, as well as people of no faith.
18:40 JB: Well, why that's significant is because,
18:42 you know, Christians are meant to be happy and Christians
18:44 are meant to be full of joy, and the joy the Lord
18:46 is your strength. Do you find that certain
18:49 types of Christians suffer depression more or less than
18:51 other types of Christians? NN: Yeah, this has been
18:53 well studied. Duke University found that
18:57 the denominations that have the least rates of depression
19:02 are the fundamentalist denominations, ones that believe
19:06 in the Word of God, for instance, and believe
19:10 that God has a plan for their life and speaks to them
19:18 through his Word. That would describe
19:21 the fundamentalists, and those have less depression
19:25 than others. JB: Now, depression,
19:29 I've found, there's a bit of a stigma attached to it.
19:35 I don't know whether society has stigmatized it,
19:37 or whether people just feel that way.
19:40 Is that true? NN: Well, there is a stigma.
19:42 A lot of people with depression don't want anyone else to know
19:44 about it. They're picking up their
19:47 pharmaceuticals and making sure no one else knows about
19:52 it, etc. It turns out people do know about it.
19:54 They think they're hiding it, but in reality you can't hide
19:57 it when you're working and your living in families,
20:00 etc. The depression is going to manifest itself in multiple
20:03 ways. But because of that stigma,
20:06 they have a reservation to really go out and try to seek
20:11 treatment, or come to a program like a depression recovery
20:14 program in their community, for fear that they're going
20:16 to be seen. But what I've noticed is,
20:20 when they recover from their depression completely,
20:23 and that joy returns, they have no problem telling people how
20:28 depressed they actually were. And then the stigma is gone.
20:31 So if you have that stigma, the best way to take care
20:35 of it is, get the treatment that's going to cure it,
20:40 and then you don't have to worry about the stigma, and then
20:43 you can own up to it. JB: God has been curing
20:45 depression for millennia, hasn't he?
20:48 NN: Yes. JB: Give me an example
20:50 from the Bible. NN: Well, Elijah, when he
20:53 was depressed, angels came and fed him food.
20:55 I think there was some flax seed in that food.
20:58 That was food to boost the tryptophan and the tyrosine.
21:03 Exercise was part of Elijah's program.
21:06 And light therapy, Elijah, like a lot of depressed
21:09 people, he just wanted to be in the cave, in the dark.
21:11 And God had to produce earthquakes and fires
21:14 and, "Get out of the cave, Elijah,
21:18 you need to be in the light." And then he came and dialogued
21:19 with him, after he did all those things, then he gave
21:23 him the cognitive behavioral therapy, and asked him,
21:25 "What doest thou here?" And Elijah began to talk,
21:28 and the Lord began to correct his distorted thoughts.
21:31 JB: Interesting. NN: Same type of principles
21:33 that we utilize today. JB: What other factors play
21:38 into this many-headed monster called depression?
21:40 NN: You know, one of them that's very characteristic
21:44 is pride. It's actually a magnification
21:47 of self. When people experience
21:51 the distorted thought of self-inflated pride,
21:56 they are setting themselves up for wounded pride.
21:59 And then with that wounded pride they've got the expose
22:03 for depression, anxiety and other symptoms.
22:06 That's what led to Saul's issue. He had the pride, and when
22:12 the women sang, "Saul has slain his thousands and David
22:16 his tens of thousands," it was wounded pride,
22:19 and it set him up into that whole process.
22:23 And the Lord knows how to deal with that as well.
22:26 JB: That reminds me of another story in the Bible,
22:29 the story of Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel.
22:31 Is this not great Babylon that I have built?
22:33 And next thing you know he's out eating grass like an ox.
22:35 NN: Right. Well, you know,
22:37 and the interesting thing, his pride was so severe, he had
22:40 been impressed by what the Lord was doing multiple times,
22:43 but not changed. Impressed but not changed.
22:47 And so the Lord had to get to the root of his problem,
22:50 which was his pride. And his pride was so severe
22:52 it took more than a 10-day program.
22:55 It was a multi-year program, but it was the same type
22:57 of principles. It was a plant-based,
23:00 vegetarian diet that Nebuchadnezzar was put on.
23:03 There was exercise that was part of it.
23:05 When you read Nebuchadnezzar's testimony,
23:07 hydrotherapy was part of the program.
23:10 The sleep/wake cycles were there, and then in the end,
23:13 the cognitive behavioral therapy to get rid
23:15 of the pride. JB: So God knows the way
23:17 out of depression. NN: Absolutely.
23:19 JB: I don't want to give anybody false hope.
23:21 I don't want to do that. Is there a danger that we
23:25 could be telling someone, there's a way out of depression
23:28 for you, when really there just isn't?
23:31 NN: No danger. Of course, we've dealt
23:34 with hundreds and thousands of patients, but in our
23:38 treatment resistance program, the most common complaint
23:41 we get from people coming is they're thinking they're
23:45 going to be the first one who does not respond
23:49 to the treatments and the modalities
23:52 that we utilize. They think that nothing
23:54 is going to help them. Their relatives have made
23:55 them come. But at the end of the program
23:58 they find out that they respond as well.
24:00 And what I have to tell these people who think that there's
24:03 no way out for them is, do you think the biggest expert
24:08 in depression might not know something about it?
24:11 And if the biggest expert in depression might not know
24:14 something about it, perhaps that individual doesn't know
24:16 something about it, and what they don't know might
24:18 actually help them. And so there is a way out
24:22 for everyone. And if they find the
24:26 underlying cause, I have no doubt that there's a solution
24:29 to bring them out of depression.
24:31 JB: Thank you for joining me today.
24:33 This has been a blessing. I just believe that people
24:35 are going to get their lives back again out of that
24:39 vice-like grip of depression, liberated, we've seen it happen
24:42 in so many lives many, many times, liberated to lead
24:45 full, productive, joy-filled, solid lives, rejoicing
24:49 in the Lord. NN: Amen.
24:52 JB: Friend, I want that person to be you if you are suffering
24:54 from depression, or if you know somebody who is,
24:57 let them know. Go to DrNedley.com, get some
24:59 good materials, follow the plan that we've been talking
25:02 about here, because there is a cure, there is a way out
25:06 of depression, and God wants you to experience what David
25:11 wrote about when he said that in God's presence
25:13 there is fullness of joy. I want to pray for you.
25:17 Dr. Nedley and I are going to pray for you now and ask that
25:19 God will bless you and those you know and love who are
25:24 battling this difficult thing. Let us pray.
25:27 Our Father in heaven, we thank you today for Jesus,
25:30 the Way, the Truth and the Life. And I am grateful that he said
25:34 that he came to this world that we might have life
25:36 more abundantly. Lord, I pray that you'll help
25:39 us all to think healthy thoughts, to have minds that
25:44 are centered in your Word, to be livers of lives that are
25:49 grounded, founded, rooted in the principles of heaven
25:53 that will bring us joy and joy everlasting.
25:56 Help us to be glad and grateful today that there is a God
25:59 who loves us and a God who has the way out
26:02 of difficulties, just waiting for us to find and follow.
26:05 We thank you today and we pray in Jesus' name, Amen.
26:13 [MUSIC]
26:23 JB: Our free offer for you this week is a DVD
26:26 produced by Dr. Nedley on the topic of depression.
26:29 If you or someone you love is struggling with depression
26:33 I encourage you to call us today and order this free DVD.
26:37 Now please note that this offer is limited to the supply
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26:47 "free depression DVD". Or write to It is Written,
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26:56 and we'll mail a free copy to your address in North America.
26:59 It Is Written is a faith-based ministry and your support makes
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27:06 Your tax-deductible gift can be sent to the address on the
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27:13 Thank you for your continued prayerful support.
27:16 Again, our toll-free number is 800-253-3000, ask for the
27:21 "free depression DVD". And our web address is:
27:25 itiswritten.com
27:29 JB: Thanks for joining me today.
27:31 You know, it is encouraging to know that God has very real help
27:34 for us, even in the midst of our most difficult battles.
27:38 For more of my conversation with Dr. Nedley, please to go our
27:41 website, itiswritten.com. There, you'll be able to watch
27:45 parts of this conversation that we were not able to include in
27:49 today's program. I'll look forward to seeing
27:51 you again next time. Until then, please remember,
27:54 it is written, man shall not live by bread alone,
27:58 but by every word that proceeds from the
28:01 mouth of God.
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