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00:44 Written Canada. 00:46 Thank you for joining us in 00:47 beautiful Kelowna, British 00:49 Columbia. 00:51 Our special guest again is Don 00:53 Straub, a practising clinical 00:56 counsellor who helps people 00:57 struggling with everyday 00:59 problems by giving them 01:01 powerful, practical solutions. 01:04 >> Don is going to examine 01:05 whether or not self-love is an 01:07 oxymoron or an expression that 01:10 some see as an incongruous, 01:12 seemingly self-contradictory 01:14 term. 01:16 Don, welcome back to It Is 01:17 Written Canada. 01:18 >> Thank you, I feel 01:20 privileged to be here today. 01:22 >> Don, today you're going to 01:23 be talking to us about 01:24 self-love. 01:26 Isn't self-love selfish? 01:30 >> Well, if you think about 01:32 it, true love is never selfish. 01:36 The problem is that in the 01:37 world there is a false kind of 01:39 love and that's what makes 01:40 people nervous about 01:41 this topic. 01:43 But when you think about the 01:45 word, "love," the word, 01:47 "love," is actually a verb, 01:49 it's an action. 01:51 And let's look at 01:52 1 Corinthians 13 where Paul 01:54 describes love. 01:55 He says... 02:22 So when you think of those 02:24 words of action, wow! 02:27 Love is a wonderful thing, 02:29 a God-like thing. 02:30 I find it interesting that 02:32 Paul actually emphasizes 02:35 things that love is not more 02:37 than what he says love is, 02:39 like he says it's not 02:40 irritable, it's not boastful, 02:42 it's not jealous. 02:44 When I was teaching religion 02:46 in grade 11 and 12 grades 02:49 years ago and I would come to 02:51 this topic, I would ask the 02:52 students: define love. 02:54 And at first the students 02:55 would just go, like, 02:56 speechless, they had nothing 02:57 to say. 02:58 But I would wait. 03:00 Finally somebody would say, 03:02 "Love is caring." 03:04 I'd say, "Yes, love is caring." 03:06 "More." 03:07 And they would start to come 03:08 up with all of these wonderful 03:09 synonyms like love is being 03:12 polite, love is being kind, 03:15 love is being respectful, love 03:18 is helping people. 03:20 And they just intuitively 03:21 understood love is an action 03:24 and all of these wonderful 03:25 actions are beautiful, they're 03:27 never sinful. 03:29 So if that's what love is, 03:31 then how could we not love 03:33 ourselves in that sense 03:35 of the word? 03:38 There's another thing about 03:39 love that I think people don't 03:41 quite understand. 03:42 Some people talk about 03:44 unconditional love as if it's 03:46 another kind of love, 03:48 but there's only one kind of 03:49 love, it has to be 03:50 unconditional or it's not love. 03:53 Remember, we can't force love, 03:55 you can't buy love. 03:57 God is a God of love and 03:59 freedom so it has to be freely 04:01 given, unconditionally, or it 04:03 can't be love. 04:06 >> One of the most well-known 04:08 sayings of Jesus is, "Love one" 04:11 "another as you love yourself." 04:12 So what are your thoughts on 04:13 that, Don? 04:15 >> That is a beautiful text 04:17 and I think sometimes to 04:19 understand a verse, we might 04:21 wanna look at what it does 04:22 not say. 04:24 You see, Jesus said, 04:25 "Love your neighbour as" 04:27 "yourself," He did not say, 04:28 "Love your neighbour better" 04:29 "than yourself." 04:32 Now, I used to teach math in 04:34 high school also and my 04:37 favourite section was solving 04:39 equations. 04:41 So you're all familiar with 04:42 equations, they have an equal 04:43 sign in the middle and then 04:44 they have a right side and a 04:45 left side and we're-- each 04:47 side is equal to each other. 04:49 Like, we could say, "7+3=10." 04:54 But we could also put "10" on 04:56 this side and "7+3" on this 04:57 side and say "10=7+3." 05:01 So you look at the word, "as," 05:03 it's like that equal sign. 05:04 "Love your neighbour as," 05:07 equals, "yourself," 05:08 love yourself. 05:09 "Love yourself as your" 05:11 "neighbour," we could say it 05:12 backwards, too. 05:13 So they're basically one and 05:15 the same thing. 05:17 >> So, Don, you mentioned that 05:18 there is this false kind of 05:21 love that is very prevalent in 05:24 the world today. 05:26 What does this kind of love 05:27 look like? 05:29 >> Well, in my world of 05:30 counselling, we call this 05:33 false love, "co-dependency." 05:36 It's more about the motive of 05:38 loving, like, why does a 05:40 person love and true love is 05:43 all about just loving 05:44 unconditionally whereas 05:46 co-dependency is loving 05:49 and expecting love 05:51 to get something. 05:53 Like, in other words, a person 05:55 who is co-dependent is really 05:57 stuck in a really deep place 05:59 of low self-worth, they don't 06:01 like themself, they don't love 06:03 themself, and they're looking 06:04 for other people to love them 06:06 and they're trying to get that 06:08 love from other people. 06:09 >> Is there a better way of 06:11 looking at it than 06:12 co-dependency? 06:14 Is there another way of 06:16 understanding that? 06:17 >> Yes, I believe there is 06:19 because the word, 06:20 "co-dependency," really means 06:23 external dependency, a 06:25 favourite author of mine 06:26 introduced me to that word, 06:27 Robert Bernie. 06:29 External dependency tells us 06:31 that we look for our worth, 06:34 our value, outside of ourself. 06:36 We may look to our career, 06:39 money in the bank, our house, 06:41 the vehicle we drive, we might 06:43 look to a relationship. 06:44 We look to these external 06:46 things to feel worthy and 06:47 valuable rather than 06:49 understanding that we already 06:51 are worthy and valuable. 06:54 >> Don, isn't looking to God 06:56 for our self-worth and value 06:59 looking externally? 07:01 Aren't you telling us to look 07:03 within ourselves for our worth 07:06 and value? 07:08 >> And that's why a lot of 07:10 people get afraid of this idea 07:11 of self-love. 07:13 But what this is not saying, 07:15 we're not saying that we're 07:17 better than someone else, 07:19 we're not saying that we're 07:21 God, what we are saying is 07:24 we're seeing the worth and 07:26 value in ourselves that God 07:28 sees and God declares about us. 07:31 That's all it is. 07:34 To do otherwise would be to 07:35 call God a liar. 07:38 The fact is that a lot of 07:40 people hate themselves, 07:43 they don't love themselves. 07:46 As a matter of fact, they know 07:47 that people self-talk about 07:50 50,000 words in a day. 07:53 Now most of those words are 07:54 pretty benign and neutral, but 07:56 so much of it is self-talk 07:58 that is very negative and 07:59 putting ourselves down, 08:00 "Oh, I'm such an idiot," 08:02 "I'm no good, I'll never get" 08:03 "this right, I'm a loser," 08:04 "I can't do anything, I don't" 08:05 "deserve this, I don't" 08:06 "deserve that." 08:07 All of these lies that we tell 08:09 ourselves, that's not loving. 08:11 If you said all those things 08:13 to your neighbour, would that 08:14 be loving? 08:15 Absolutely not. 08:16 So we need to stop this 08:18 "stinking thinking," we need 08:20 to turn that around and tell 08:21 ourselves truth and that's how 08:23 we love ourselves, by telling 08:25 ourselves the truth about 08:26 ourselves, the truth that God 08:28 has told us about ourselves. 08:30 You know, the trouble in our 08:32 world of co-dependency where 08:34 we're always looking outside 08:35 of ourselves for worth and 08:37 value, we look to our body 08:39 shape, we look to money, we 08:41 look to careers, we look to 08:42 all these external things and 08:43 it's never enough. 08:45 It's never enough. 08:48 How much money does it take to 08:50 satisfy a man or a woman? 08:53 It's always a little more, 08:54 always a little more, 08:55 it's never enough. 08:57 You know, our whole world kind 08:59 of supports that and fosters 09:01 those ideas. 09:03 When you think about it, all 09:04 the advertisements you see in 09:06 magazines and on media, 09:08 they're all telling us that if 09:10 you don't eat this, wear this, 09:12 drive this, you're not enough. 09:14 And so we're programmed into 09:16 co-dependency, it's kind of-- 09:18 our music, our movies, the 09:20 television is always telling 09:21 us, "You need to look" 09:23 "like this." 09:24 In television, it seems like 09:26 some of the policemen, the 09:28 nurses, all of them, they all 09:29 look like these models, you 09:30 know, and we watch this and we 09:32 start to feel like, "Well, I" 09:33 "don't look like that, I must" 09:34 "not look-- I must not" 09:35 "be enough." 09:36 That's the problem with 09:38 co-dependency. 09:39 So, you know, we're programmed 09:40 into it, our society has 09:43 groomed us to be co-dependent. 09:44 It's so sad. 09:46 >> So let's take this concept 09:47 of healthy self-love, what 09:51 does it look like in action? 09:53 >> There's actually a healthy 09:55 pride, we can have a healthy 09:56 pride in our work, 09:58 in our children. 10:00 There's an unhealthy pride, a 10:03 false kind of pride that goes, 10:04 "I'm better than people, I'm" 10:05 "better than others," I put 10:07 myself above others. 10:09 There's a healthy humility, 10:10 too. 10:11 A healthy humility is when you 10:14 can recognize not just your 10:17 weaknesses, but your strengths. 10:19 There's a false humility which 10:20 only recognizes your 10:22 weaknesses and you're always 10:23 putting yourself down, putting 10:24 yourself down. 10:26 So a healthy self-love is 10:28 simply loving yourself, it's 10:29 an action. 10:31 Now, interestingly enough, 10:33 Greek has, like, six words for 10:34 love and we're stuck with one 10:36 so, you know, I love my wife, 10:38 I love my job, I love my dog, 10:40 you know, I love ice cream. 10:42 No, you don't, you don't love 10:43 ice cream, you really like 10:45 ice cream, you don't love 10:46 ice cream, in fact, maybe if 10:48 you love yourself, you might 10:49 not need that ice cream. 10:51 So you see, love is a-- it 10:52 starts by actually having a 10:54 good, healthy definition of 10:56 love, right? 10:58 And so as we said earlier, 11:00 love is caring, love is 11:02 nurturing, love is supporting, 11:04 love is being kind, love is 11:06 all of these wonderful things 11:08 and we can do that towards 11:10 ourself, we can treat 11:12 ourselves in that way. 11:14 So a person who loves him or 11:16 herself knows how to love him 11:20 or herself, that person will 11:22 get a good diet, a healthy 11:24 diet, nutrition, they'll get 11:26 themselves some good sleep, 11:28 they'll exercise, they'll get 11:29 out in the fresh air, they'll 11:31 have a walk with God, and they 11:32 can have boundaries, they can 11:33 say "no" to things, they can 11:35 protect themselves. 11:36 >> What do you mean by 11:37 boundaries? 11:39 >> Let's think of the word, 11:40 "boundaries," the way we often 11:42 think of boundaries. 11:44 There is a boundary between my 11:45 yard and my neighbour's yard. 11:47 It may not be marked with a 11:49 fence or a hedge, but there is 11:50 a boundary and I need to 11:51 respect and honour that 11:53 boundary. 11:54 In other words, I might be out 11:55 mowing my lawn and I look at 11:57 my neighbour's lawn and it 11:58 doesn't look good enough to me 11:59 so I start mowing his. 12:00 That's not really respecting 12:01 my neighbour's boundary. 12:03 I need to respect my own 12:05 boundaries by mowing my own 12:06 lawn and keeping it looking 12:07 good for my neighbour. 12:09 So in life, we all have values 12:13 and we need to honour the 12:14 values that we believe in, 12:16 whether it's honesty, 12:17 truthfulness, trusting, 12:18 whatever it is, we need to 12:20 honour those boundaries. 12:22 And so sometimes we need to 12:24 say "no," we need to say "no" 12:26 to offers to do things or to, 12:28 you know, things that we don't 12:30 believe in that are not good 12:31 for us. 12:32 So boundaries is the ability, 12:34 really, to say "no," and to 12:37 honour my own values, OK? 12:40 You know when you go on an 12:41 airplane they always give you 12:42 that same spiel? 12:43 Like "When the oxygen masks" 12:45 "fall from the ceiling, be" 12:47 "sure to put your own oxygen" 12:48 "mask on first before helping" 12:50 "someone else?" 12:51 Isn't that selfish? 12:52 >> No, that's not selfish 12:54 because if you don't put your 12:55 oxygen mask on, you won't be 12:56 able to maybe help the other 12:58 person put their oxygen 13:00 mask on. 13:01 >> Precisely. 13:02 And, you know, that's what we 13:04 often fail to remember. 13:06 In a previous episode I talk 13:08 about-- I talked about my work 13:09 addiction and how I was 13:11 consumed, always consumed with 13:13 helping everybody else. 13:17 Now, I came to the place where 13:20 I burned myself up, burned 13:22 myself out to the place I 13:24 couldn't help my own family, 13:26 let alone myself. 13:27 That is not having good 13:29 boundaries. 13:31 Let's look at 1 Timothy 5, 13:33 verse 8, it says... 13:49 Could you imagine Noah 13:51 building the ark and all these 13:54 other people coming into the 13:55 ark, but his own family 13:57 not coming in? 13:59 How sad would that be? 14:01 So, we need to consider sometime 14:04 saying "no" because we only 14:06 have limited time and energy 14:08 and we need to spread that 14:10 energy and time out to be good 14:12 stewards, shall we say, of 14:14 ourselves so that we do have 14:15 the time and energy for the 14:17 people we love the most. 14:18 If we're not caring for 14:20 ourselves, how can we care 14:22 for those people? 14:24 >> So having a healthy 14:26 self-love is like walking a 14:27 tight rope; on one side is 14:30 loving my neighbour and the 14:31 other side is loving myself 14:32 and it's hard to get it 14:33 perfect, you know. 14:35 When do I say "no?" 14:37 When do I say "yes?" 14:39 When I was a leader, I could 14:41 not ever say "no," I was 14:42 always saying "yes" and that's 14:44 where I ran down this road 14:46 into burnout. 14:48 In my own counselling as I was 14:50 recovering from this work 14:51 addiction, this co-dependency, 14:53 so to speak, I began to 14:55 realize my stinking thinking, 14:57 I began to realize that I was 14:59 actually having this false 15:00 kind of love because my 15:02 motives were more for, "Am I" 15:04 "doing the right thing?" 15:05 "Am I doing enough?" 15:06 "Do people like what I'm" 15:08 "doing, are they happy with" 15:09 "what I'm doing?" 15:10 And it's never enough, it's 15:12 absolutely never enough. 15:14 And now, to this day, even as 15:16 a counsellor, it's difficult. 15:18 I still fight this. 15:20 Someone asks me if I can take 15:21 them as a client and I have a 15:23 difficult time saying "no," 15:24 but I have to draw that 15:25 boundary, I have to say, 15:27 "No, I don't have room" 15:28 "anymore for clients." 15:29 I-- you know, and that's-- 15:31 "Can I recommend you to" 15:32 "somebody else?" 15:34 "Can I put you on my" 15:35 "wait list?" 15:37 It's difficult to say "no" at 15:38 some times, but it's important 15:40 because if we can't take care 15:41 of ourselves in healthy ways, 15:43 how can we really take care of 15:46 others in the long run? 15:48 'Cause that's the key. 15:49 I don't wanna burn out early 15:51 and cut my ministry short, I 15:53 wanna be able to be a greater 15:55 help, more help to more people. 15:57 Even Jesus took time out, 15:59 stopped His healing and went 16:01 to pray into the mountains. 16:02 He needed to recharge. 16:05 I find that, as a counsellor, 16:07 I need vacations. 16:09 If I don't take some time to 16:11 put everything aside, to put 16:12 my work aside and take a nice 16:14 vacation, I am not gonna last 16:17 long enough or as long as I 16:18 would like to last in my 16:20 ministry as a counsellor. 16:22 So no, self-love is not an 16:25 oxymoron, in fact, self-love 16:28 is a pure kind of love, 16:31 it's a love that is helping, 16:33 being kind, nurturing, 16:35 supporting, I'm just doing the 16:37 things to myself that I would 16:39 do to my neighbour and that is 16:41 actually making me a better 16:43 neighbour myself. 16:45 >> Doesn't co-dependency have 16:48 to do with a relationship? 16:50 >> Generally speaking, we talk 16:52 about co-dependent relationships 16:55 and the reason that fits this 16:57 idea of external relationships 16:59 or external dependency is 17:01 because we're looking this 17:03 time, not to money or a car or 17:05 a job or a career or a body 17:06 shape, we're looking 17:08 externally to a partner to 17:10 feel good about ourselves. 17:12 It's kinda like I need this 17:13 person in my life or 17:15 I'm a nobody. 17:17 It's interesting how in life, 17:19 in the co-dependent life, that 17:21 is, opposites attract. 17:24 Like, "Oh, she completes me!" 17:27 And 20 years later, we're 17:29 repelled by that same 17:30 behaviour because what we're 17:32 doing is we think we're making 17:34 up for our own deficiencies. 17:36 Maybe I'm an introvert and I 17:37 want somebody who talks and so 17:38 I marry this extrovert and 17:40 after a while I can't stand 17:41 all this talking. 17:43 And then my partner says, 17:45 "You never talk to me anymore!" 17:46 And I say, "You talk too much!" 17:48 It's like we're sucking the 17:49 life out of each other. 17:51 So we find ourselves in either 17:53 healthy, interdependent 17:56 relationships, or the other 17:57 extreme: unhealthy, 17:59 co-dependent relationships. 18:01 But the truth is, most of us 18:02 are in between. 18:03 No one has a perfect 18:05 interpersonal relationship, 18:07 that would be impossible. 18:09 In my field of counselling, I 18:11 like to talk about "love cups" 18:13 or "love buckets" and so we 18:15 either have full love cups or 18:17 half-full or partially-full 18:18 love cups or even empty 18:19 love cups. 18:20 >> So what are we talking 18:21 about when we talk about a 18:22 love cup? 18:23 >> So a love cup is a 18:25 metaphor, it represents how 18:28 we see ourselves. 18:30 So a full love cup is when we 18:33 see ourselves as worthy and 18:35 valuable, as important. 18:37 We see ourselves in such a way 18:39 that we take care of ourself, 18:42 we protect ourselves, we have 18:43 healthy boundaries, we nurture 18:45 ourselves, we eat well, we 18:47 sleep well, we exercise well, 18:49 we value ourselves in that 18:51 sense, whereas a person with a 18:54 partially-full love cup has 18:56 very low self-worth or at 18:58 least they don't believe 19:00 they're worthy and valuable 19:01 even though they are. 19:02 And they actually don't take 19:03 care of themselves, they don't 19:05 eat right, they don't exercise 19:06 and sleep properly, they might 19:08 even hate themselves. 19:11 So in these co-dependent 19:12 relationships where we have 19:14 partially full love-cups, each 19:16 partner is trying to get their 19:18 partner to fill their love cup; 19:19 "You need to say more nice" 19:21 "things to me, you need to do" 19:22 "this for me..." 19:23 We're always trying to get 19:25 that person to fill our love 19:26 cup so we can feel good about 19:27 ourselves, whereas in an 19:29 interdependent relationship, 19:31 these people know how to fill 19:33 their own love cups because 19:34 they tell themselves the truth 19:36 they take care of themselves 19:37 and this way they can always 19:39 give love unconditionally to 19:41 their partner. 19:43 So that's the way it's 19:44 designed to work. 19:46 Of course, like I said, 19:47 nobody's perfect in this 19:49 scenario. 19:51 >> Isn't it OK then to have 19:54 our partner say and do nice 19:56 things for us? 19:58 Is that being selfish? 20:00 >> You know, it's not about 20:02 that because it's a wonderful 20:03 thing to have these people in 20:04 our lives, it's a 20:05 beautiful thing. 20:07 It has to do with our motive. 20:11 Like, is that the only way I 20:13 feel good about myself? 20:14 Is that the only way I feel 20:16 worthy and valuable is when I 20:17 get these compliments? 20:19 That's co-dependency. 20:21 Because when you have your 20:22 love cup full, these are 20:24 wonderful things to receive, 20:26 but you already have a full 20:28 love cup so it's not like 20:29 you're needing this to feel 20:31 good and valuable. 20:32 Because, you know, some things 20:34 happen, sometimes people say 20:35 mean things and that can just 20:37 throw us off the rails. 20:39 >> Don, don't you think it is 20:41 important that we help our 20:42 children learn this as early 20:43 as possible? 20:45 >> Absolutely. 20:47 And I think the key comes in 20:49 the parental role of teaching 20:51 their children the difference 20:53 between what they do 20:55 and who they are. 20:57 So when a child does something 20:59 hurtful or harmful or wrong, 21:02 to point that out to the 21:04 child, but at the same time 21:05 support them with the idea 21:07 that they're still loved, 21:09 they're worthy and valuable. 21:11 And that has to be said in 21:13 words, but sometimes we teach 21:15 our children that they're not 21:17 valuable by scolding them, by 21:19 raising our voice and yelling 21:20 at them and demeaning them 21:22 with words, "You're stupid," 21:24 you see, and this is where the 21:25 child starts to think about 21:27 themselves that they're not 21:28 worthy and they're not 21:30 valuable. 21:32 If we would raise up a 21:33 generation of children like 21:34 this, most of our world 21:36 problems would go away. 21:39 >> So, Don, how can you sum up 21:41 this discussion of self-love? 21:45 >> Well, I think that's easy 21:47 because we know from scripture 21:49 that Jesus is the Way, the 21:51 Truth, and the Life. 21:54 So we must continually look to 21:56 Jesus for the truth 21:57 about ourselves. 21:59 I wanna share one more 22:00 scripture about what Jesus 22:01 says about us. 22:03 This is what He says in 22:04 Matthew 10:29, He says... 22:15 Wow, isn't that amazing? 22:18 That shows how God values us. 22:20 It even goes on to say that 22:22 God even knows the very hairs, 22:24 the number of hairs on our 22:26 head and I'll tell you, that's 22:27 changing like every hour, for 22:28 me at least. 22:30 And then Jesus says, 22:31 "So don't be afraid, you are" 22:34 "more valuable to Him than a" 22:36 "whole flock of sparrows." 22:39 Just thinking about that 22:40 is just amazing. 22:42 This is the truth that we need 22:43 to tell ourselves every day; 22:46 I am a child of the King. 22:48 ♪♪ 23:13 ♪My Father is rich 23:20 ♪in houses and lands 23:26 ♪He holdeth the wealth 23:31 ♪of the world in His hands 23:38 ♪I once was an outcast 23:44 ♪a stranger on earth 23:49 ♪A sinner by choice 23:54 ♪and an alien by birth 24:01 ♪But I've been adopted 24:06 ♪my name's written down 24:12 ♪All glory to God 24:18 ♪I'm a child of the King 24:26 ♪I'm a child of the King 24:32 ♪A child of the King 24:38 ♪With Jesus my Savior 24:44 ♪I'm a child of the King 24:52 ♪♪ 25:04 ♪I'm a child of the King 25:27 >> Lord God, Father in heaven, 25:30 thank You for calling us Your 25:31 children and, Lord, we know as 25:35 parents that is an amazing 25:38 thing to love a child. 25:41 Thank you for knowing that You 25:43 love us in this way and may we 25:45 remind ourselves of these 25:47 truths every day and to focus 25:49 on Jesus, the Way, the Truth, 25:51 and the Life. 25:52 We pray in Jesus' name, amen. 25:54 >> Amen. 25:56 >> Don, thank you so much for 25:58 sharing with us your personal 26:00 and your professional insights 26:03 on It Is Written Canada. 26:05 We have been so honoured to 26:07 have you with us. 26:08 >> Thank you, it's really been 26:09 my privilege. 26:11 Thank you for having me. 26:14 >> Friends, as Don Straub 26:16 shared with us, God is not 26:18 only God of love, but a God of 26:21 freedom and we want to give 26:23 you a chance to learn more 26:25 about this freedom by sending 26:27 you our free offer today which 26:30 is entitled, Bridges To 26:32 Freedom: Creating Change 26:34 Through Science and Christian 26:36 Spirituality. 26:38 >> Move closer to the Lord, 26:40 get past your setbacks, and 26:42 learn life lessons with these 26:45 essential bridges to freedom 26:47 described in Don's book. 26:50 >> To request today's offer, 26:51 just log onto 26:53 www.ItIsWrittenCanada.ca. 26:56 If you prefer, you may call 26:58 toll free at 1-888-CALL-IIW. 27:02 And thank you for your prayer 27:03 requests and your generous 27:05 financial support. 27:08 >> Before you go, we would 27:10 also like to invite you to 27:11 follow us on Instagram and 27:13 Facebook and subscribe to our 27:16 YouTube channel and also 27:18 listen to our Podcasts and if 27:21 you go to our website, you can 27:23 see our latest programs, 27:25 including our cooking 27:26 demonstrations, our short 27:29 spiritual messages entitled, 27:31 Daily Living, and our 27:32 exercise workouts called 27:34 Experiencing Life. 27:36 >> We want you to experience 27:38 the truth that is found in the 27:39 words of Jesus when He said, 27:41 "It is written, man shall not" 27:44 "live by bread alone, but by" 27:46 "every word that proceeds out" 27:48 "of the mouth of God." 27:50 ♪♪ |
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